Here's an old pic . It hasn't changed much. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...ff/V2T32-1.jpg
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Here's an old pic . It hasn't changed much. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/a...ff/V2T32-1.jpg
Gosh! Look at the state of the green triangle. It's a million times better cared for today.
Don't forget to credit the source John, LRO or whatever :)
Kev
Isn't that triangle of land where the phone box was situated in the Julia Wallace murder case.
A great pity that the picture wasn't taken from the reverse angle, it would have shown the Cabbage Hall cinema!(now Liverpool F. C. Supporters Club, but with a new frontage)
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Originally Posted by Sirob
Hard luck,Keith!
I believe they used to have public hangings there in the old days, hence the name, Hang field, later became Anfield!
That pic must have been before 1938.Quote:
Originally Posted by fortinian
I have a family photo taken in the 'triangle gardens ' 1938 when it was bordered with railings and hedges and had rose bushes and flower beds. ( you can see some Lupins on the right of the photo) There used to be a fountain and some benches.
It was still a gardens in the 1950s/60s when I was growing up .. I can just about remember it. It was flattened and hedges taken away probably late 60s early 70s (not sure when it would be)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y24...box/v-Copy.jpg
The Willow Bank pub is in the background and the shop buildings on the right still exist but are now no longer shops.
Some recent, but not very clear pics - looking at the original picture the newer Cabbage Hall pub is not yet built - the house on the oppostite side to the triangle looks much the same as it did then. Also, the water fountain on the corner of the triangle still exists but needless to say without the lamp on top.
The third attachment is of the LFC Supporters club the original site of the old Cabbage Hall cinema - which I would LOVE to see an old photo of :
Yes. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
There was always a phone box there right up until recent years. (but since been removed)
On my family pic - - if only the camera had been facing just a tad more to the right !!! we would see the old cinema :PDT_Xtremez_42:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirob
I have heard it said that Anfield was named because of hangings .. but I never heard anything about it being on the triangle !! :shock: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Samp
I have also heard that the district was named 'Ann's Field' -something to do with a dwelling called ' Ann's cottage - which can be seen on very old maps.
That's another one of these concientious definitions: Anfield was certainly called Hangfield (or Hongefield) but this is largely thought to reference the fact that the land 'hung' or sloped downwards from Everton Brow and nothing to do with hangings.Quote:
I believe they used to have public hangings there in the old days, hence the name, Hang field, later became Anfield!
If it was named after a gallows there is no evidence of where these gallows where, or indeed why they would hang people in fields miles away from any major village, hamlet or roadway. Gallows were usually erected just outside the city walls on a prominent location such as a hill to act as a deterrent for any who may cause trouble.
The gallows of ancient Liverpool were located on the hill that is now London Road as can be evidenced by the name of the mill that was once there, Gallows Mill (a picture of it can be found here:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...llows_1825.jpg). It was at these gallows that James Stonehouse records his grandfather rememberd seeing seven men hanged following the Jacobite Rebellion of 1745.
Also the usual name for a place of hanging would be Gallowfield (of which there are several in the uk) not Hangfield.
I also noticed the Cabbage Hall pub isn't in the original photo.... well the current building at least. I've always wondered where the telephone box in the Wallace murder was, are we 100% certain it was on the triangle, if so... cool
Yes, the phone box was most definately there - - just by where there is a bus stop now - but set back from the bus stop, on the edge of the grassed area.
re name of Anfield : Interesting info.
Yes, I have heard that too about the 'hanging fields' - or the land which slopes down from Everton ridge.
I have a very old book which describes the crossroads of Breck rd/Everton rd/Heyworh st as having a stone cross which was a general meeting point for trading and change over point for travellers. It was also known to be a notorious spot for Highway robbers !
re Cabbage Hall; I've seen old paintings and sketches of the original old Cabbage Hall which was situated on the Breck rd side rather than where the present pub is located on the bend with Walton Breck rd. (looking at the original photo you can just make out signage for Ales on the side wall.
The most notorious place for highway robbery is now Westminster, london.
This triangle also has a large boundary stone:
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...undary&page=13
And I thought it was Motorway Cafe's :ninja:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
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Originally Posted by Ged
Highway robbers in Anfield? D'ya reckon they were the ancestors of the takeaway owners on matchdays?
In my research using late 18th/early 19th century newspapers, it's amazing how dangerous the area between Edge Hill and Old Swan was, not a month goes by without a report of someone being robbed 'near Wavertree' or 'On The Prescott Turnpike'.
I imagine most areas outside the immediate boundries of Liverpool were pretty lawless bandit country, all those rich gentlemen travelling eh? Easy pickings.
[EDIT: Ah bleeding hell, i've just remembered the newspaper cutting in which I first read the 'Hanging Fields/Gallows Link'. It's only bloody Slemen isn't it - although I suspect this one might be one of his copied... sorry 'researched' ones.]
I read about the triangle being a place for hangings quite some time ago.
Long before Tom Slemen came along. I have also heard of the slopes of Everton being called hangfields. Also Ann's Field. who's to say which is correct!
I've seen it called Ann Field before, not Anns Field. If you look at this map here it clearly says Ann Field.
Even if it was named Ann Field it's harder to construct an etymological link between 'Hang Field' and 'Ann Field'. You'd expect it to become 'angfield' then lose the 'g' to become Anfield not gain an extra 'n'.
Something else to add here: Re: Origins of Breck Road.
I'd always thought that Breck Road meant the road that followed the 'Breck' (a derivitive word of Brook or Beck - a small stream) there has always been a problem that bothered me with this idea... there has never been a stream recorded on Breck Road.
As I found myself thumbing though an Old Norse Dictionary the other day (the things i get up to eh?) I discovered the word Brekka meaning hill or slope.
I think therefore that Breck Road is actually a Viking name meaning Sloping or Hilly Road.
Let's add this to other names with Breck in them.
Breckfield Road becomes - Sloping Field Road (very similar in meaning to Hangfield (Anfield) Road)
Walton Breck Road becomes Walton Hill Road - or 'the road to the hill of the settlement of the Welshmen'.
Lower Breck Road - Lower Hill/Slope Road
All this adds to a rather interesting question: does Anfield have its origins as a Viking area?
There is hardly enough evidence to say conclusively either way but it is certainly something worth bearing in mind.
For more information about Scandinavian place names in the Merseyside area, read Viking Mersey by Stephen HardingQuote:
Originally Posted by fortinian
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/-sczsteve/
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Originally Posted by taffy
It's on my rather long list of books to read. :D Next time i'm in the library i'll dig out a copy.