The Waterloo tunnel is only very short. From the Hodson St cutting to the Docks is the Waterloo Tunnel and from that point back to Edge Hill it is the Victoria Tunnel. All one tunnel with two names along its length.
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The Waterloo tunnel is only very short. From the Hodson St cutting to the Docks is the Waterloo Tunnel and from that point back to Edge Hill it is the Victoria Tunnel. All one tunnel with two names along its length.
I wonder why they done this?
wow these photos are so rare how you get them who is the copyright for them? what are we looking at exactly? is it the docks end of the waterloo tunnel its hard to reconise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirob
That is the dock end. It is 1971 and the tunnel closed in 1972, so not the last train, although it is clear the tunnel is not used much as there is lots of grass growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by oritelad
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Originally Posted by Sirob
They look like the pictures from the so called 'we have steam trains under Liverpool still 'ready' incase all electricity is taken from our hands and the local council can escape'!...
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
History of the line which includes date of last train to Riverside (not last train through the tunnel for which I dont have a date)
21/7/1845 Act L&M railway to Waterloo
1/8/1849 Opened Edge Hill to Waterloo for Goods only
27/7/1893 Act MDHB lines to Waterloo
12/6/1895 Opened Edge Hill to Riverside for passenger traffic
30/9/1963 Waterloo Goods Station closed
25/2/1971 Last passenger train to Riverside
1/3/1971 line closed to passenger traffic and out of use beyond Waterloo Road level crossing
12/2/1972 line closed beyond Waterloo yard
19/11/1972 line cut 558yds inside Victoria tunnel to leave headshunt at Edge Hill end.
Mike Turner
They are from my collection of local railway plans and photo's aquired from many sources over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by jc_everton
Mike Turner
Just to add to the discussion about the cost of a station, I know that when the new mail centre in Leeds was being built - right next to the railway line - I asked why they had not provided a siding for the mail rail trains (as then were). I was told that Royal Mail had been quoted £6m for a turn out. Its not just a matter of sticking in a set of points, you have to redo the signalling for many miles in each direction. So if that was the price ten years ago, I hate to think what it would cost now.
John
In 1971 an industrial steam loco was restored in Princes Dock MD&HB shed. It was steamed and ran over all accessable dock lines, including an unofficial foray into Waterloo goods yard! Date is July 1971. The MD&HB diesel from Princes Dock used the tunnel shortly afterwards, transfering to the Brunswick.Quote:
Originally Posted by oritelad
None of these pictures have ever been seen before. The copyright is mine, but you can copy them
Great pic. Costco is now near this site. You can see the Graham Gratrix factory on the right with Logan Towers behind it.
Sirob, what does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirob
The arch the train is running under is listed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirob
Graham Gratrix was not a factory. They were heating and plumbing merchants. I bought the odd heating boiler there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
There were lines all over the Dock Rd from goods depots across the road into the dock estate. Is the train moving from the Waterloo tunnel across the road in that photo?
I was driving along the dock road last year, up near the Seaforth end when we had to stop for a freight train that was mega long, it seemed like we were there for about 15 mins.
Waterways: I'm guessing that it is coming from the tunnel to the docks because there are flats to the right of the picture, suggesting that the photographer was looking north when he took it.
Ged: What time of day would that have been? I have actually been meaning to ask, what times do they run? Would I be right in saying that there are around 20 train journeys a day? I'm sure I read it somewhere in a MerseyRail document.
On the OldLiverpoolRailways.tk forum, someone suggested that the Aintree-Bootle Line should be used for freight to alleviate the heavy traffic experienced along the A5036 to Switch Island. I am not sure if the eastern end of the line (where Aintree Racecourse station) is feasible to reopen but there is plenty of land around Aintree Station to open a goods yard. Perhaps some might say "Would it be worth it? For such a small distance", but if the freight was moving north then why not double the track on the Ormskirk - Preston Line and get the freight moving north by train?