Originally Posted by
Ged
I thought you knew by now through my books and support of the Everton project last Saturday that I do not agree with Communities being broken up and shipped out anywhere - including Edge Lane and i've stated the same on here.
:unibrow: "That clears up some points for me, Ged. I enjoy your books but I got the impression you were on the side of high rise developments, and view the demise of the Everton neighborhood as something good."
However, are we not talking about a different area here with Peel. A desolate site at Central Docks that had its heyday with conventional shipping which will never return. For Wayne and UNESCO to say it interferes with a World Heritage site (The Pier Head) when it is a mile further North is rubbish.
:unibrow: "How much closer a mile looks when viewing horizons"
Wayne and the English Heritage would do better concentrating on Everton Road and Shaw Street which as you know as well as me has lay as a disgrace since we were kids and those are main thoroughfares into the city with a housing shortage.
:unibrow: "I agree, but surely our council have some responsibilities, "Renovate not decimate the areas."
So do we leave acres of derelict land where locals and tourists alike can't get to see the likes of the 6 sided Waterloo Tower or do we incorporate it into a design that brings the docks back into play like what's happened in the South end? As for whether they're Yuppies or not (I know of a number of ex Walton, Wavertree and Bootle residents that live in apartments at Waterloo and Beetham. In any case, money being spent into the economy by those that can afford it in buildings built with not a penny of tax payers funds cannot be a bad thing can it?
:exclaim::unibrow: " and It's the rich that gets the pleasure, it's the poor that gets the shame" ~ deliberate misquote
Who owns these properties, originally Mersey Docks And Harbour Board property I presume?
We have to watch that our procrastination and thwarting of schemes by those in Whitehall does not drive the private investment away to somewhere else such as Manchester who have a more forward and less bickering thinking council and who just let architects get on with things, perhaps London favours that.
:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13 " Must remember to doff me cap when t'masters come" :smoke:
That's what I want for liverpool. People sitting at outdoor cafes on A sunday ala Paris with a bustling city centre and pleasure craft on the docks is better than the ghost town I used to run through in the 1980s with only the sound of a flock of pigeons doing one when you got close to them. There's room for us all as the inner city population was decimated in the 80s and still isn't back to what it was.
:unibrow: " Ged, honestly, this dream of Liverpool becoming another Paris is nonsence to me. From all reports I've had the city centre's already pricing normal scousers away. Pics of the new shopping developments show the truth. When will we learn? Compounding planning is disasters pure stupidity. Decimated in the 80's? It started 30 years earlier for a lot of people.
There has to be a balance. Nobody lost their house for the building of the new museum, nor will they lose their house if scrapers are built along the Vauxhall waterfront
:unibrow: " Vauxhall neighborhood, there you are , Ged. That's a piece of positive redevelopment that the residents fought for. Lovely, shame if they.re overshadowed by another White Elephant"
. You're not saying the view from Wallasey which is on just about everyones flickr or website isn't more stunning now than in the 80s are you? I wouldn't have thought so as your cracking shots of the scrapers from the Everton view point answers that for me.
:smoke: " Can't comment as I haven't seen the pics. However, Ged, you genuinely seem to love sky scrapers, my view of them is generally negative."
Did I also mention the 20,000 jobs that the construction (with a clause for a local take up) and the on going commercial letting will create.