All Saints Church, Childwall

[taffy]

This project is in many ways similar to that for St James, Toxteth. It was first suggested a few years ago to overcome the safety problems of large numbers of children crossing the busy road between the present church hall and the old church. My then understanding was that the housing to be provided on the church hall site was some form of sheltered housing.

[Cadfael]

Originally Posted by taffy

This project is in many ways similar to that for St James, Toxteth. It was first suggested a few years ago to overcome the safety problems of large numbers of children crossing the busy road between the present church hall and the old church. My then understanding was that the housing to be provided on the church hall site was some form of sheltered housing.

That the funniest thing I also heard 'busy road'. In all the years of marching down that road in the Boys Brigade, not once could I ever find a single statistic for a traffic accident there.

Standing under the lytchgate opposite the pub, you are far more likely to be struck by a car there as the road narrows and no one takes that corner slowly. I think the count from memory is 14 times that wall/lytchgate has been demolshed.

[redjed1]

Originally Posted by Cadfael

Standing under the lytchgate opposite the pub, you are far more likely to be struck by a car there as the road narrows and no one takes that corner slowly. I think the count from memory is 14 times that wall/lytchgate has been demolshed.

The mortar is only just dry from the last repair. It's not a busy road, just a dangerous junction - especially when it's icy. The number of cars you see skating down past the pub.

It's a lovely area, why can't people just leave it as such. Please keep us informed, Cadfael, as it's the first I'd heard about the proposal.

John

[taffy]

Originally Posted by Cadfael

That the funniest thing I also heard 'busy road'. In all the years of marching down that road in the Boys Brigade, not once could I ever find a single statistic for a traffic accident there.

Standing under the lytchgate opposite the pub, you are far more likely to be struck by a car there as the road narrows and no one takes that corner slowly. I think the count from memory is 14 times that wall/lytchgate has been demolshed.

Of course the Boys' Brigade marches have traffic control marshalls, so it's not surprising you've not had an accident. Long queues of children crossing the busy road from the church hall to the church is a different matter. It has frightened me on more than one occasion to see accidents almost occuring. Perhaps your comment about the lychgate and crashes makes my point.

[redjed1]

Originally Posted by taffy

Of course the Boys' Brigade marches have traffic control marshalls, so it's not surprising you've not had an accident. Long queues of children crossing the busy road from the church hall to the church is a different matter. It has frightened me on more than one occasion to see accidents almost occuring. Perhaps your comment about the lychgate and crashes makes my point.

Taffy, I don't agree.
The crashes into the lytchgate are not due to traffic congestion, rather the blind junction when approaching from Childwall Abbey Road. Most seem to occur in icy conditions, when the hill becomes treacherous. Because it is a blind junction, I find that most drivers use extreme caution at the junction. The council has constructed speed bumps along all the surrounding areas to discourage speeding.
I have passed when children cross the road to the church hall and think that, provided they realise they are crossing a road, where traffic generally has the right of way, this section of road is no more dangerous than others.
If the church is allowed to build a new hall on the Bloody Acre, most children will still have to cross the road to get home. If further houses are allowed to be built on the site, the amount of traffic in the area will increase.

[taffy]

Originally Posted by redjed1

Taffy, I don't agree.
The crashes into the lytchgate are not due to traffic congestion, rather the blind junction when approaching from Childwall Abbey Road. Most seem to occur in icy conditions, when the hill becomes treacherous. Because it is a blind junction, I find that most drivers use extreme caution at the junction. The council has constructed speed bumps along all the surrounding areas to discourage speeding.
I have passed when children cross the road to the church hall and think that, provided they realise they are crossing a road, where traffic generally has the right of way, this section of road is no more dangerous than others.
If the church is allowed to build a new hall on the Bloody Acre, most children will still have to cross the road to get home. If further houses are allowed to be built on the site, the amount of traffic in the area will increase.

I wasn't really refering to traffic congestion. Just one car out of control down the hill is enough. From my own experience the road is very hazardous under icy conditions. It's more the traffic coming from Score Lane round the blind corner that is more dangerous though. Large numbers of children leave the church enmasse for Sunday school lessons and later return to the service. It's at these times that there is an additional hazard which cannot be denied. After the service there would be individual parental supervision to cross any roads.

The church is trying to provide a better facility for the community and should be supported. I realise most of the community don't attend the church but that is perhaps not the point.

[redjed1]

Hi Taffy
I don't attend the church, but admire the wonderful building and its surroundings. Looks like there are two issues involved -
1) Build a new church hall on Bloody Acre - I always thought it was a 'protected area' of some sort, as Cadfael said.
2) Sell off the ground where the old hall is / was, and allow it to be used for more housing. I and probably the vast majority of people from the area would be totally against this. It would only be detrimental to the area. Surely no-one could be in favour of houses on this lovely site.

[taffy]

Originally Posted by redjed1

Hi Taffy
I don't attend the church, but admire the wonderful building and its surroundings. Looks like there are two issues involved -
1) Build a new church hall on Bloody Acre - I always thought it was a 'protected area' of some sort, as Cadfael said.
2) Sell off the ground where the old hall is / was, and allow it to be used for more housing. I and probably the vast majority of people from the area would be totally against this. It would only be detrimental to the area. Surely no-one could be in favour of houses on this lovely site.

If the plans are not allowed by the planning department, would you be against a Bridge being built over the road from the current Church hall to the Church. Perhaps something like Liverpool College built over North Mossley Hill Road for the same pupil safety reasons, So the road danger to Childwall's children will still be there and something has to be done. The church will be short of money; perhaps the residents of Childwall would be prepared to help fund such a bridge. I also don't attend the church but am aware of the child safety problems.

[redjed1]

A footbridge, provided it "blended in with the area", would be a better proposal, in my opinion. I'm sure the money could be found (a grant, or even as you suggest alongside a local collection) as I'm sure everyone is in favour of ensuring child safety.

[ChrisGeorge]

Originally Posted by Cadfael

That the funniest thing I also heard 'busy road'. In all the years of marching down that road in the Boys Brigade, not once could I ever find a single statistic for a traffic accident there.

Standing under the lytchgate opposite the pub, you are far more likely to be struck by a car there as the road narrows and no one takes that corner slowly. I think the count from memory is 14 times that wall/lytchgate has been demolshed.

Hello Cadfael, taffy, and redjed1

It's nice that Childwall retains its rural quality, and I enjoyed stopping at Childwall Abbey when I was home in Liverpool in May of last year. However, it should be recognized that Childwall is part of a busy urban area. I therefore suggest that it would not be too radical an idea to put a traffic light at the road junction in front of the church.

All the best

Chris