Old Swan in general

[Ged]

For Martin. This is the nearest comparison I think I could get to that 1950s pic I sent you from Baden House. Prescot Road, Old Swan looking South. The biggest change is probably Tesco having replaced St. Oswald House tenements.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3420/prescotrdfrombadenhse1nz6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/3420/prescotrdfrombadenhse1nz6.a6fabca9d6.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=525&i=prescotrdfrombadenhse1nz6.jpg)

Then subsequent zoom settings. One closer and 2 further away.

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5377/prescotrdfrombadenhsewiqm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5377/prescotrdfrombadenhsewiqm6.791f1921a0.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=516&i=prescotrdfrombadenhsewiqm6.jpg)


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/232/prescotrdzoomfrombadenhvu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/232/prescotrdzoomfrombadenhvu4.8189062de0.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=262&i=prescotrdzoomfrombadenhvu4.jpg)


http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/255/prescotrdzoomfrombadenhml3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/255/prescotrdzoomfrombadenhml3.ef8aed9ac8.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=262&i=prescotrdzoomfrombadenhml3.jpg)

Then panning to the right (West) - the old cinema in full. PhilG might like this one but there is a bit of 'the setting' sun glare which couldn't be helped through the window unfortunately. Still can't quite see Gnomies house on it either.


http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9048/oldswancinemafrbadenhsekl4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/9048/oldswancinemafrbadenhsekl4.8f553ff0c9.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=387&i=oldswancinemafrbadenhsekl4.jpg)

Then panning to the left (East) - the rooftops.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/205/oldswanrooftopsfrbadenhlg0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/205/oldswanrooftopsfrbadenhlg0.88716f9f2e.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=262&i=oldswanrooftopsfrbadenhlg0.jpg)




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[Gnomie]

nice pics Ged

Who's flat was you in :)

Must have been early as ive never seen the road in Old Swan, normally chocka with traffic

[quincyg]

great shots Ged :handclap:
always nice to see an area from a different vantage point.
never noticed there was such a dip in the road at street level either.

excellent view of the old Curzon? too, my 2nd fave old cinema building after The Abbey.

[carole1000]

great pics Ged, god they bring back memories, my dad was born and bred in Sunbeam road Old Swan, I used to spend all my summer holidays there at my grandads house, everyone was so friendly and at night when I was supposed to be asleep I used to sit by the open bedroom window and listen to all the neighbours chatting in the evening as they would all meet in the street and catch up on the latest gossip, brilliant times!!!

[PhilipG]

great shots Ged :handclap:
always nice to see an area from a different vantage point.
never noticed there was such a dip in the road at street level either.

excellent view of the old Curzon? too, my 2nd fave old cinema building after The Abbey.

Almost exactly the same things I would have said. :PDT_Aliboronz_11:
I'd have added "One cinema from another" because Baden House is on the exact site of the (New) Regent.
The (Old) Regent is still standing (Kwik Save).

[Gnomie]

great pics Ged, god they bring back memories, my dad was born and bred in Sunbeam road Old Swan, I used to spend all my summer holidays there at my grandads house, everyone was so friendly and at night when I was supposed to be asleep I used to sit by the open bedroom window and listen to all the neighbours chatting in the evening as they would all meet in the street and catch up on the latest gossip, brilliant times!!!

Hey Carole

I used to live in Sunbeam Road :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[carole1000]

Hey Carole

I used to live in Sunbeam Road :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

What a small world, my grandad lived in No. 43 his surname was wynn, he died in 1977 but my brother bought his house with his then wife and they had a son Gareth, they are divorced now but my ex sister-in-law still lives there. which number were you?

[GNASHER]

I lived in Sunbeam from '80 to '86.It was the first house that we bought.

[quincyg]

Almost exactly the same things I would have said. :PDT_Aliboronz_11:
I'd have added "One cinema from another" because Baden House is on the exact site of the (New) Regent.
The (Old) Regent is still standing (Kwik Save).

oh that's where it was. :PDT11
I'm trying to picture Baden Hse in my mind...is that the one with shops or the job centre underneath?
I'm assuming the New Regent was demolished or did they keep some of the basic structure?

I often thought the building on the corner was an old cinema until I went past on the bus yesterday and the sunlight caught the painted over writing...it's an old co-op.

[Gnomie]

I lived in number 66, but not as far back as the 70's

[PhilipG]

oh that's where it was. :PDT11
I'm trying to picture Baden Hse in my mind...is that the one with shops or the job centre underneath?
I'm assuming the New Regent was demolished or did they keep some of the basic structure?

I often thought the building on the corner was an old cinema until I went past on the bus yesterday and the sunlight caught the painted over writing...it's an old co-op.

Baden House is the tower block.
The (New) Regent closed in 1967 for immediate (& complete) demolition.

[Gnomie]

some pics of OLd Swan here

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Old-Swan/?start=0

The Kwik Save building( having work done to it at present ) is on page 4

:PDT11

[hmtmaj]

Ged, what can I say . . .
Thanks very much for these pics
I don't know how you did it but you have got the same pic as the one you sent me from the late 60's ( which I have printed and framed ), brilliant, again thank you. :PDT_Piratz_26:

I lived from birth ( 1961 ) till about 1989 in Fitzgerald road, then moved to Warmington rd for approx 12 years, now I'm on Queens Drive ( still in the Swan ) and these photos from the late 60's and today are superb.

It's amazing how close the Litlewoods building looks to Old Swan.
I worked in Crawfords ( United Biscuits ) to about 2002 then changed job to the Littlewoods Building in 2002 and what a building that was. I actually sat in the original Moores office, with the original fireplace and a mosaic glass dome in the ceiling ( never took no pics though ) and it would be a travesty if they pulled it down. It still took me about 25 mins to walk there but from your photos Ged, it looks so close.

Talking of Queens Drive, a friend passed me a recent edition of the freebie magazine called "LINX", which fetured an article on Queens Drive, hope you don't mind if I bore you with the details: It's from Stephen Guy, West Derby Society.
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The City Fathers had great foresight in Edwardian times when they began to build a mighty road skirting the outskirts of Liverpool to serve that new fangled machine, the motor car.
They called it Queens Drive and it still serves as the citys ring road.
Early stretches sprang up as new, but disconnected tree lined boulevards. Over the years, the highway absorbed quiet lanes in it's path to make the full length road we know today.
This work was carried out before the first world war and continued into the 1920's.
Passing through the fields of Clubmoor, the new road bypassed ancient Larkhill Lane but spared imposing Larkhill Mansion whose driveway was turned into Muirhead Avenue and grounds into Muirhead Gardens.
The big house was finally demolished in 1962 and the present Library built.
At about the same time, the original Larkhill gates in the central reservation of Muirhead Avenue, Tuebrook, were removed.
At Stoneycroft, it absorbed Moss Lane and Black Horse Lane. Then at the junction with Prescot Road it encounted two beautiful Lodges guarding the drive to a splendid Mansion called Highfield House.
The gates of this pile were situated in a hamlet caleld summer square nestling around the Black Horse Inn and a smithy with it's Blacksmith serving the local farming community.
Highfield House, built in 1763 stood on the high ground and had once been the home of the Duchess of Athol. It ended it's days as Highfield Infirmary which later became Broadgreen Hospital.
Other big West Derby houses affected by Queens Drive included Barnfield. This stood in front of where the Jolly Miller now stands and was demolished to improve the junction with Mill Lane.
Atmospheric Moss House was cleared to make way for improvements at the junction with Derby Lane. Some of the sandstone from it's walls may have been incorporated into the shops built on the corner.
There was a picturesque wood and pond on the site of a former quarry where the Queens Drive pub now stands ( the Stoneycroft ).
A little further south glass-domed Fir Grove House was swept away opposite the junction with Alder Road - the fire station stands on the site.
Fir Grove Farm, just down the road, also went.

A Mystery Remains: Oak Cottage.
Oak Cottage was apparently to make way for Queens Drive but the site remains empty to this day, next to the car wash. Only the original garden wall remains.
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Site of Oak Cottage - Queens Drive, apologies for qualty, I took it on my camera phone !
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9237/oakcottagezi2.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oakcottagezi2.jpg)

By the way, all of a sudden they are clearing this field as I think they are building an Old Peoples Home on the site. Cut down a tree which must have been over 100 years old :PDT_Xtremez_12:
Then again, the wife won't have far to go to visit me, if they build it :rolleyes:

I am passing this on as I live very, very, very close to the car wash on Queens Drive and always wondered what that empty field was, I always knew it as the Sheepy.

Anyway, sorry to bore you all and thanks once again to Ged for getting these pics for me, Martin.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Gnomie]

Behind the car wash was the scene of a big explosion many years ago. 1970's or 80's. not sure what was there or how it happened? if you look at the area now, a huge dip is in the land.

The picture of Sandfield WAlk, is the site of the explosion. I heard it was gas? not sure really? but i do remember the huge crater in the field.

[hmtmaj]

Gnomie, it was the site of the car wash. It used to be a garage. A man was digging out and breaking up an old Petrol Container ( the ones buried underground ) and a spark lit the fumes and he was blown to pieces. A next door neighbour of mine remembered it as the explosion was so loud AND he had bits of "shrapnel" ( for want of a better word ) all over his garden.
It happened around the 1970's.

[Gnomie]

Gnomie, it was the site of the car wash. It used to be a garage. A man was digging out and breaking up an old Petrol Container ( the ones buried underground ) and a spark lit the fumes and he was blown to pieces. A next door neighbour of mine remembered it as the explosion was so loud AND he had bits of "shrapnel" ( for want of a better word ) all over his garden.
It happened around the 1970's.

Cheers hmtmaj :PDT11

I knew my memory was not that bad :)

From a fellow Stoneycrofter:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Ged]

Glad I seem to have reunited 3 ex Sunbeamers. I often go on your webby Gnomie - great Old Swan pics, I wasn't in a flat but I had to wait outside for (luckily) - all of 5 mins until some kind soul who lived there was convinced I wasn't trying to get in there to burgle or anything. It's from the staircase, but obviously encased in glass which doesn't give the very best results. It was 8pm by the way. Philip, I didn't know I was standing on the site of the new Regent , is this the only case of a replacement building not outlasting the original. So many replies to answer - thank you all. I didn't know it would cause such a response when I done a uey (ok - U turn) on Prescot road when I thought on.

[hmtmaj]

No problem Gnomie... :)

Can I just post the two pics Ged passed to me ... as I know people on here may not have seen them BUT, how he's got the same spec is uncanny.
Hope you don't mind Ged.

One from the late 60's
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5521/oldswanprescotroad1968cch4.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldswanprescotroad1968cch4.jpg)

and Geds Superb offering from 2008
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/9529/prescotrdfrombadenhsewiwb2.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=prescotrdfrombadenhsewiwb2.jpg)

Sorry to keep saying it, buts thanks again Ged. :handclap::handclap::handclap::handclap:

[wallasey]

Great views there Ged!

To be honest, I always thought that block was a office block...it has that look about it if you see what I mean.

Strangely...I ended up going to Old Swan three days in a row last week...I seem to be attracted to it atm!

[Ged]

Glad to oblige Mart. I see you've noticed there was a better comparison pic, No.2 pic instead of No.1. Glad you posted the original in case peeps were wondering what we were on about.

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[Ged]

Baden house.

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3445/badenhouseoldswanco0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3445/badenhouseoldswanco0.c028eed0a0.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=262&i=badenhouseoldswanco0.jpg)




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[carole1000]

I lived in Sunbeam from '80 to '86.It was the first house that we bought.

Hiya Gnasher.
Did your know the Driscoll family, I think the names were Anita, Susan, cannot remember the others, they lived next door to the Davies' cannot remember the number but think it was 50? The daughter was Carol Davies and think the mum was Brenda but again, all a long time ago, the memory is not what it used to be, god I sound ancient!!!

[PhilipG]

Glad I seem to have reunited 3 ex Sunbeamers. I often go on your webby Gnomie - great Old Swan pics, I wasn't in a flat but I had to wait outside for (luckily) - all of 5 mins until some kind soul who lived there was convinced I wasn't trying to get in there to burgle or anything. It's from the staircase, but obviously encased in glass which doesn't give the very best results. It was 8pm by the way. Philip, I didn't know I was standing on the site of the new Regent , is this the only case of a replacement building not outlasting the original. So many replies to answer - thank you all. I didn't know it would cause such a response when I done a uey (ok - U turn) on Prescot road when I thought on.


Probably yes, because it was built next door to the original, which was practically unheard of.
Usually newer cinemas replaced older ones on the same ste (for example, the Gaumonts in Anfield, Bootle and Dingle, and the Majestic).
The New Regent was built on the site of the Highfield Lodges (mentioned by Martin), and a clause was put on the old Regent that it was never used as a cinema again (it was only 12 years old).
The old Regent eventually became a car showroom called Casino Car Sales.

[Ged]

Great info as ever Philip :handclap:

[carole1000]

some pics of OLd Swan here

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Old-Swan/?start=0

The Kwik Save building( having work done to it at present ) is on page 4

:PDT11

Just been looking at your pics, brilliant of the Stanley abattoir (think that is how it is spelt), I used to work in a roofing company on the opposite side of the road, next to the small midland bank and opposite the stanly pub, used to play pool in there and had some great work do's there, is it still open? on the pictures it looked derelict. I remember the foul smell on a Thursday from the abattoir, we had to keep the windows closed. Happy days!!!

[Gnomie]

Carole work is goung on at the Stanley now, not sure if it will be a pub again? its been closed for a few years now. my mate Pat ran it for a while.

[carole1000]

The last time I went in there Gnomie must have been back around early 80´s, I remember you used to order your dinner and they would come across the road to where I worked with it, it was great.

[Kolchak]

Guys, is the college being refurbed or has it closed down?:shock:

[hmtmaj]

It's closed, due to be demolished. Martin

[Kolchak]

Thankyou, Martin. Wow, that'll certainly change the look of Broadgreen Road. Do you know whats to be built there? (Please don't be a carpark)

[Ged]

What! Old Swan tech? Been there donkeys years hasn't it, my mate went there.

[wsteve55]

It's closed, due to be demolished. Martin

Inside the entrance, they had kept the old sandstone door lintels,etc,from the previous school/college, complete with L'pool insignia! ( was it bombed in the war?) I just wonder if it will be so lucky this time?

[Gnomie]

We Where told it will become an Aldi store, oh yes just what we need, another store. The traffic will get worse:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

[PhilipG]

Kwik Save have now joined the likes of Coopers, Fine Fare, Lennons, Gateway, Brookes, Irwins, etc., as Supermarkets in the Sky.
I took these photos because this building was once the Regent Cinema, which was only open from 1926 to 1938.
The style of the Kwik Save name altered over the years, and the photos date from 1982, 1987, 1989 and 2007.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/2620698459_62d63e1d9e_b.jpg

[Ged]

Anyone with an interest in old - old swan might want to scroll down to the bottom of these pages as I added another 100 pics to the site today.


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44922707&cr=7 Pre war old swan.


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7 1950s to 80s b&w photos


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=30679502&cr=7 More swan tenny pics



Enjoy.

[quincyg]

Anyone with an interest in old - old swan might want to scroll down to the bottom of these pages as I added another 100 pics to the site today.


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44922707&cr=7 Pre war old swan.


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7 1950s to 80s b&w photos


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=30679502&cr=7 More swan tenny pics



Enjoy.

busy boy. I'm going over to have a shufty now. :PDT_Piratz_26:

[Gnomie]

Brilliant pics Ged, Thanks for bringing it all back to life :handclap:

[joss]

hi all
can anyone remember an old furniture shop in london road liverpool, it belonged to member of my dads family, the miller family.
if anyone can remember it could you let me know thanks joss

[burkhilly]

Those photographs were fantastic. Have just spent hours looking at them. I never get tired of looking at old Liverpool!:)

[skgogosfan]

Kwik Save have now joined the likes of Coopers, Fine Fare, Lennons, Gateway, Brookes, Irwins, etc., as Supermarkets in the Sky.
I took these photos because this building was once the Regent Cinema, which was only open from 1926 to 1938.
The style of the Kwik Save name altered over the years, and the photos date from 1982, 1987, 1989 and 2007.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/2620698459_62d63e1d9e_b.jpg

That's a great photo collage! Didn't KS take over Fine Fare? Somerfield used to be called Gateway,I think. I wonder if they changed their name to avoid confusion with the PC company?

Dave.

[Spike]

A few Old Swan pics, If you scroll to the bottom you will see the College during demolition. Sad to see it go.

http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/oldswan?cr=2&linkvar=000044


Will add others when they build that tripe on it.

[elliemike@iinet.net.au]

Almost exactly the same things I would have said. :PDT_Aliboronz_11:
I'd have added "One cinema from another" because Baden House is on the exact site of the (New) Regent.
The (Old) Regent is still standing (Kwik Save).

Great Pictures.
Baden House is mostly built over the Regent Cinema,s Front Carpark. The front of the Cinema was about in line with the back yard wall of the houses on the East side of Baden Road. There was also a rear Carpark.

The last Picture over the rooftops of the houses includes our old house No3 Leinster. My bedroom window at the back brought back memories of very cold winter nights with three of us under the overcoats in one bed. Lived there till I was 27 when I married in New Zealend. My mother was in that house for 62 years. Lots of memories for me looking at these shots. Thanks
Mike Stanley, Perth WA

[Waterways]

I worked in Crawfords ( United Biscuits ) to about 2002 then changed job to the Littlewoods Building in 2002 and what a building that was. I actually sat in the original Moores office, with the original fireplace and a mosaic glass dome in the ceiling ( never took no pics though ) and it would be a travesty if they pulled it down.


The Art Deco Littlewoods Building is listed with plans to make it into flats.

[fortinian]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/3281328922_85720da8af_b.jpg

This is from an old Tithe Map in the 1830s I think.
To give you an idea of direction plot '2473' is roughly where St Oswald Church is now. Also clearly shown is the 'quarry' at what would become Hoults Corner

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3493/3281318258_f93817ab81_b.jpg

This one is interesting because it shows the Old Swan Glass Works (plot 2477 and 2476). These Glass Works were bought by Pilkingtons and Chances in 1855. The huge round bit would have been the 'cone' where the furnace was located.

[Ged]

Great stuff.

[hmtmaj]

Great maps and info, Fortinian :PDT11
Here are a couple of photos I took from around 1985 on Christmas Day, a pipe burst on Prescot Rd and the water reached past Dovecot.
Martin.

From the top of Woodhall Rd
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/332/oldswanflood1rb2.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldswanflood1rb2.jpg)

From the top of Woodhall Rd
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5719/oldswanflood2xl7.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldswanflood2xl7.jpg)

and from the top of Fitzgerald Rd
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6899/oldswanflood3ju0.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oldswanflood3ju0.jpg)

[Samp]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/3281328922_85720da8af_b.jpg

This is from an old Tithe Map in the 1830s I think.
To give you an idea of direction plot '2473' is roughly where St Oswald Church is now. Also clearly shown is the 'quarry' at what would become Hoults Corner

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3493/3281318258_f93817ab81_b.jpg

This one is interesting because it shows the Old Swan Glass Works (plot 2477 and 2476). These Glass Works were bought by Pilkingtons and Chances in 1855. The huge round bit would have been the 'cone' where the furnace was located.

Very interesting Fortinian! Is that Elm House on the second map, top centre?

[Ged]

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3388/prescotrd1953.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/prescotrd1953.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img514/prescotrd1953.jpg/1/)

Prescot Road in 1953 at its junction with Pemberton Road. The original parade of 'Swan Row' shops in evidence behind the bus. Irwins had been on that site since 1908.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7800/stoswaldsstc1906.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/stoswaldsstc1906.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img514/stoswaldsstc1906.jpg/1/)


St Oswalds street from Hoults corner on Prescot Road c1906. Many locals including a young Mart from this thread pose for the camera. Amongst the businesses on the right are J.R. Dinsdale, Farmer & cowkeeper and Moorcroft's fruiterers. Further on is the hanging barrel shaped globe of the Royal Standard pub and beyond that are the three brass balls of Cookson's pawnbrokers.


Both photographs and information from Paul Bolger's fantastic Edwardian A-Z book - part 2.

[hmtmaj]

:handclap:

Ged, Great pics yet again, I've not seen these before.

I will post a few of mine from around Old Swan, from Various sources, books etc. Thanks for these.
BTW
That's not me as a kid as I wasn't born until after 1907 :ninja:

[Ged]

Thanks Mart. One more from the book, the 3 set of which I cannot recommend highly enough. 1908 Ordance survey maps/A-Z form - also selected main thoroughfares from the Kellys directories showing businesses/residents and of course dozens of photos like these.

This is looking east along Prescot Road towards Green Lane c1914. Greenberg's is at No.379, then a general contractors offering plumbing, gasfitting, painting, decorating ironmongery and glazing, but now known as major glass suppliers to the city.

Beyond that is the New Premier Picturedrome which was one of the city's oldest purpose built picture houses and the first in the Old Swan area. Before 'talkies' films, it also staged variety acts and melodramas such as Ivanhoe, the black 13 and dynamited love. It opened in 1912 but closed in 1959 and was converted to a furniture store named Marsh's. When the frontage was changed, I remember this as a Blundell's catalogue shop and then, now set further back, it was the premier pub.

The then Green Lane hotel can be seen endorsing Blezard's Ales - a Scotland Road brewery whose premises were on the same block as the Rotunda Theatre.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1430/prescotrdatgreenlanec19.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/prescotrdatgreenlanec19.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img145/prescotrdatgreenlanec19.jpg/1/)

[fortinian]

Very interesting Fortinian! Is that Elm House on the second map, top centre?

Elm House is a very common name on these type of maps...as is the 'The Elms'. I've been stuying this map quite a bit actuallly.


I do know that this particuar 'Elms' was the home of a chap called Henry Wilson at one point. It gives its name to 'Elm House Road' in Old Swan, which ran behind the property that I think actually ran alongside Edge Lane.

The 'Glass House Pub' at the top of Cunningham Road and Mill Lane. Is probably named after the Glassworks which I now think was located at the opposite side of Edge Lane.

Most interesting of all is at the other end of the image however. If you look at the building called 'May Place' and overlay it to a modern map the footprint of the building fits the house now called 'Craven Lodge Funeral Home'. This could be the same building or just another building built on he same footprint.

Even more interesting is just to the right of 'May Place' is a small horseshoe shaped building which I think is still standing... i.e. the builders yard next to All Saints Church Stoneycroft, at the other end of Cunningham Road. If that is the case then the patch of grass that is now opposite the building yard used to be a small pond.

Brilliant.

[Max]

They are some nice pics of Old Swan.

Old Swan now I can't stand to go to.

[Spike]

Great pics Ged, Ive never seen them :PDT_Piratz_26:

[ayjaykay]

It gives its name to 'Elm House Road' in Old Swan, which ran behind the property that I think actually ran alongside Edge Lane.


Yes, the house was in Edge Lane and was still there until around 1996, when it was demolished.

[fortinian]

Nice one Ayjaykay... thanks for the info. You wouldn't happen to have a picture (or know someone who has a picture) of this house would you?

[Samp]

There is a book on Old Swan with a picture of Elm House.

[hmtmaj]

Found this "Elm House" ( Wavertree ? )

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/pastliverpool/galleries/housing/gallery/mansions/pages/r45.htm

Martin

[taffy]

[QUOTE=Ged;163625]Thanks Mart. One more from the book, the 3 set of which I cannot recommend highly enough. 1908 Ordance survey maps/A-Z form - also selected main thoroughfares from the Kellys directories showing businesses/residents and of course dozens of photos like these.

This is looking east along Prescot Road towards Green Lane c1914. Greenberg's is at No.379, then a general contractors offering plumbing, gasfitting, painting, decorating ironmongery and glazing, but now known as major glass suppliers to the city.


[QUOTE]

Greenbergs have actually just gone bust due to the recession.

[fortinian]

Found this "Elm House" ( Wavertree ? )

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/pastliverpool/galleries/housing/gallery/mansions/pages/r45.htm

Martin

Thanks for that, unfortunately I think the Elm House in that photo was near to Lance Lane in Wavetree rather than Old Swan! Like I said, 'The Elms' and 'Elm House' were very common names.

[ayjaykay]

Nice one Ayjaykay... thanks for the info. You wouldn't happen to have a picture (or know someone who has a picture) of this house would you?

I don't have an old photo unfortunately. The house was where the newish flats and houses are on the photo below. Elms House Road runs behind it.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6845/elmshouse2i.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elmshouse2i.jpg)

[Samp]

Your in the right area A J K, But I think it was slightly further down, just past the houses fronting Edge Lane. There was a small sweet factory next door if my memory serves me right.

[fortinian]

I don't have an old photo unfortunately. The house was where the newish flats and houses are on the photo below. Elms House Road runs behind it.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6845/elmshouse2i.th.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?image=elmshouse2i.jpg)

Great guys, that fits exactly with the map. So you reckon it was standing until the 1990s? There will probably be a photo of it somewhere, excellent work guys!

[wsteve55]

I vaguely remember a notice on this building relating ,somehow, to youth employment, possibly it was used as a job centre, before it's closure/demolition?

[ayjaykay]

Your in the right area A J K, But I think it was slightly further down, just past the houses fronting Edge Lane. There was a small sweet factory next door if my memory serves me right.

I'm pretty sure it was where I marked on the map. I remember it being there until about 1996 and then it was demolished and the new houses/flats were built.

[lindylou]

Would it be Taverners sweet factory you are thinking of ?

[JMLE]

Elms House was directly opposite the Prince William Pottery/Rathbone Park and before demolition was used for youth services or something like that. Taveners was opposite Botanic Park/Littlewoods.

[ayjaykay]

Elms House was directly opposite the Prince William Pottery/Rathbone Park

Yes, it was. Those trees you can see at the very bottom of the photo I posted are in Rathbone Park.

[Ged]

I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?

[ayjaykay]

I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?

Oops - yes, I meant Rathhbone park.

Elm's House was definitely where those new houses/flats are. The architect who designed them has a website at http://www.johnmccall.co.uk/showcase/projectelmsho.html which says:

"This is a small housing scheme on a prominent infill site on Edge Lane in Liverpool. Elms House was the building that preceded the scheme on the site".

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listed_buildings_in_Liverpool), Elm's House was no. 561 Edge Lane and was given listed building status in 1988.

The House was used as the 'Juvenile Employment Bureau' in 1947 according to http://www.archive.org/stream/educationcommitt032441mbp/educationcommitt032441mbp_djvu.txt

And permission was given for it to be demolished in 1999 according to http://home.btconnect.com/ancientmonuments/LISTdem1999.doc

[hmtmaj]

I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?

I have a map from 1968 and on the site of KFC are just warehouses.
I have tried to upload the pic but it's too big ! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
and when I put it on imageshack it loses it's detail ! :PDT_Xtremez_12:

I have been thinking for a while of doing a webpage(s) on Old Swan in particular, as I was born there and have lived here al my life.
Would anyone be offended if I used some of the info and pics from here, I will credit the source where possible.

It may be a while before I release it but it's something I've always wanted to do. Mart

[Ged]

You can certainly use anything i've put on here Mart (though the copyright credit for the old stuff will be the LRO) I know they allow use of their stuff for none profit making websites as long as the credit is given and if you need any further help just yell.

[hmtmaj]

Thanks Ged. I don't intend to sell to Google, Microsoft at any price, even if they did offer me ?1.99 maximum :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Samp]

I'm pretty sure it was where I marked on the map. I remember it being there until about 1996 and then it was demolished and the new houses/flats were built.

You are quite right, I was confused with the new houses built around it. I just remember passing it to and from work and remember it at the top end.

[Samp]

Would it be Taverners sweet factory you are thinking of ?

Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.

[hmtmaj]

I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?

According to a 1968 map attached .. a warehouse
Elms House circled in red on map.

Mart

[lindylou]

QUOTE=Samp;164161]Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.[/QUOTE]

this is the one I was thinking of :
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/business/business-local/2006/08/12/sweet-dreams-foster-tangerine-10m-buy-64375-17559192/

it wasn't a very big place. Was there another sweet factory too ? I remember Williams toffee :)

[Spike]

I have been thinking for a while of doing a webpage(s) on Old Swan in particular, as I was born there and have lived here al my life.
Would anyone be offended if I used some of the info and pics from here, I will credit the source where possible.

It may be a while before I release it but it's something I've always wanted to do. Mart

Go for it Martin :PDT11 I would like to see that one online as im a fellow Old Swanie.

I have a book written in 1913 that covers Old Swan history, some goos stuff in it. Its called " West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree " written by James Hoult. You may have it already? if not I could pop it round to you.

I have a few pics of Old Swan on my site, you are welcome to use any if they are any good to you.


http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/oldswan?cr=2&linkvar=000044

Good luck with this project, If i can help give us a shout :PDT_Piratz_26:

[Ged]

According to a 1968 map attached .. a warehouse
Mart


Well I never knew you were dyslexic Mart. That says W-horehouse.

[Ged]

The premises of J.H. Robinson & Co. (Liverpool) Ltd in Mill Lane in the 1950s. Joseph Robinson founded his stove enamelling company in Grafton Street in 1869 but as the business expanded a brass foundry was added which produced various components for the gas industry. As the business developed it moved to larger premises on North Hill Street in the 1880s but following the outbreak of WWI in 1914 the firm switched to production to munitions and even larger premises were acquired in Mill Lane, Old Swan and the outbreak of WWII and the firms capacity to turn out anything connected to the gas and communications industry saw it devote all its capacity to the war effort.

Willey's was established in Exeter in 1861 by HF Willey, becoming a public limited Company within 4 years, the founder becoming a prominent citizen, Alderman of Exeter, later Sheriff of the city and then Mayor in 1893. Following his death just one year later his son, Henry took over and led the business into an era of expansion. Willey's produced the first 'coin in the slot gas meter' in the early 1900s and again during the war, they too played their part to the full producing a tremendous range of war material including depth charge firing pistols for the admiralty.

Robinson's and Willey's were destined to eventually become associated when in 1929 their parent company, United gas Industries Ltd came into being, the two firms merging to form Robinson Willey, but only in 1962.

In 1976, they made my parents a little happier when doing away with our coal fire in the tennies and fitting one of their new range gas fires having won the Corpy contract for all their tenement stock.

Information and photo from 'Liverpool Memories' book.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2737/scan0001x.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scan0001x.jpg)
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/scan0001x.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img142/scan0001x.jpg/1/)








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[hmtmaj]

Go for it Martin :PDT11 I would like to see that one online as im a fellow Old Swanie.

I have a book written in 1913 that covers Old Swan history, some goos stuff in it. Its called " West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree " written by James Hoult. You may have it already? if not I could pop it round to you.

I have a few pics of Old Swan on my site, you are welcome to use any if they are any good to you.


http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/oldswan?cr=2&linkvar=000044

Good luck with this project, If i can help give us a shout :PDT_Piratz_26:


Cheers Tony, I have that one and a few others, which I am going to reference :PDT11

And to Ged:PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Samp]

QUOTE=Samp;164161]Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.

this is the one I was thinking of :
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/business/business-local/2006/08/12/sweet-dreams-foster-tangerine-10m-buy-64375-17559192/

it wasn't a very big place. Was there another sweet factory too ? I remember Williams toffee :)[/QUOTE]

Hello Lindylou.

The place I am refering too was only small and was on the site of the K F C at the top of Edge Lane, it definitly had the name William's toffee on the front but I dont know if it was still opererating as such.

I am going back to the late 70's now.

[lindylou]

ahh, I know the spot where you mean - KFC is up by where MFI used to be.
I don't remember the sweet factory though.

[Ged]

One for Mart.

As promised. Taken to record the conversion of a house to a shop on the corner of Fitzgerald Road and Ravenswood Road. 24.4.1935.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6048/fitzgeraldrdjctwiravens.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fitzgeraldrdjctwiravens.jpg)






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[JMLE]

That shop was less than 50 yards from where Martin used to live in Fitzgerald and is still there now although it's hasn't been used as a shop for years. I think Hassan who had the shop still lives there.

[burkhilly]

Fitzgerald Road is a couple of roads away from where I live. I remember the shop being opened, I think it shut about 10 years ago. However, I passed there a couple of weeks ago and I thought it had opened up again. Perhaps there was just some work going on.

Thanks for that picture Ged - great.

[JMLE]

You don't live in Pemberton do you? My sister and brother-in-law lived there up until 6 years ago.

[hmtmaj]

Fitzgerald Road is a couple of roads away from where I live. I remember the shop being opened, I think it shut about 10 years ago. However, I passed there a couple of weeks ago and I thought it had opened up again. Perhaps there was just some work going on.

Thanks for that picture Ged - great.

Burkhilly, I was born and brought up in Fitzgerald Rd, that shop, believe or not was my local !
When I was a youngster, many moons ago, my mum ( god rest her soul ) used to send me down with a list and I never remebered paying :shock:
That's because my Dad used to get paid on a Thursday and my mum would pay the "slate" off then.
Another tale::)
The people who used to afford us that luxury " Marje and George Strain" looked after the locals and let them have credit, as it was in the "olden days" ( 1970's). A Couple of years ago, who should move in next door to me but Marje and George Strain. Lovely people who "looked" after the local communty. So, with your permission, I'll print the pic and pass it on to them, Thaks Ged, Still looking after us, Mart.

P.S.
Burkilly, your son, hopefully will be getting a call to arrange an interview in the next day or two ( mon or tues ).
Martin

[Spike]

Great pic Ged.

My wife remembers buying sweets from that shop :PDT11

[edwardo]

The Phot Of the shop has captured a woman do'ing her step and path on her knees.wonder how many do that now.

[burkhilly]

Burkilly, your son, hopefully will be getting a call to arrange an interview in the next day or two ( mon or tues ).
Martin[/QUOTE]


Thanks Martin - that's great.

[burkhilly]

The Phot Of the shop has captured a woman do'ing her step and path on her knees.wonder how many do that now.


You know I had to go back and look at the picture because I missed the women washing her step.

I don't think anyone would get on their knees nowadays - there are more important things than clean steps. Anyway I've got one of those power washers - brings the path up like new!

[lindylou]

I keep my front very clean.

... ooh matron !! :unibrow:

[hmtmaj]

One for Mart.

As promised. Taken to record the conversion of a house to a shop on the corner of Fitzgerald Road and Ravenswood Road. 24.4.1935.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6048/fitzgeraldrdjctwiravens.jpg (http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fitzgeraldrdjctwiravens.jpg)






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A later pic of the same shop, how it's changed ( for the worse )
from http://www.flickr.com/photos/liverpoolsuburbia/

[ItsaZappathing]

Cracker pics Ged & Mart. Very good.:PDT_Piratz_26:
See how neat everyone used to keep their hedges:PDT11

[Ged]

Yes, women did insist on keeping their bush trimmed. I do know some women who continue being on their hands and knees though i'm not too sure if was to keep the doorstep scrubbed.

Now that's an

Oooh Matron Lindy.

:)

[Ged]

Taken on the same day as the earlier posting, to record another house conversion to a corner shop, this one being on Russian Drive.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3579/russiandrshopconv24436.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=russiandrshopconv24436.jpg)


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[Spike]

Ged great pic.

Do you know what number house this was?

[Ged]

I don't Spike unfortunately, it never said. I wonder if it's still there, notice the patio doors leading out onto the balcony. How the posh snobs of the Swan lived ey, I have pics on my site of the same year with people in damp squalid courts.

[Spike]

I will look and see if i can find anything that looks like it could be it tomorrow.

[bluesareus]

The shop/house in Fitzgerald Rd was owned by Pop Hewitt and his son John
when I lived in the the Prefabs off Wharncliffe Road I left in 1961.My friend
Mike Healy lived Opposite, Alan Dennett lived 5 doors away,and a couple of friends lived in Orleans Road. There was another shop further up Ravenswood towards Derby Lane this was Salts chippy.At the bottom of Sunbeam another shop was called Postuma's.

[Spike]

The shop at the bottom of Sunbeam stood empty for years. About two years ago it had its front rebuilt and is now a house.

[hmtmaj]

The shop/house in Fitzgerald Rd was owned by Pop Hewitt and his son John
when I lived in the the Prefabs off Wharncliffe Road I left in 1961.My friend
Mike Healy lived Opposite, Alan Dennett lived 5 doors away,and a couple of friends lived in Orleans Road. There was another shop further up Ravenswood towards Derby Lane this was Salts chippy.At the bottom of Sunbeam another shop was called Postuma's.

What a small world it is...
I knew Alan Dennet from when I lived in Fitzgerald Rd although he was older than me. But the Mike Healy got me thinking ... :rolleyes:
Mike is a friend of mine's Dad, I'm going to send her this link so her dad can see the pic / thread as he doesn't have a computer.
Martin

[Ged]

The big question is though, do any of those people know the real...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcJ-vS22rI




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[hmtmaj]

may do, may do ....:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Give us a clue :PDT10

[bluesareus]

What a small world it is...
I knew Alan Dennet from when I lived in Fitzgerald Rd although he was older than me. But the Mike Healy got me thinking ... :rolleyes:
Mike is a friend of mine's Dad, I'm going to send her this link so her dad can see the pic / thread as he doesn't have a computer.
Martin

Martin
Do you know where Mike is living now. Who's mines DAD ??

[Spike]

The big question is though, do any of those people know the real...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odcJ-vS22rI




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Ged pack it in, that scared me :eek:

[Ged]

Spike. Did you not see young Mart in that vid? :)

[hmtmaj]

Martin
Do you know where Mike is living now. Who's mines DAD ??

( should have said )
A Mate of mine's............ dad
or
a friend of mine, her father
or
the father of one of my friends etc...

I can find out where he lives or you can tell me what your contact details are and I can pass them on....

[hmtmaj]

Spike. Did you not see young Mart in that vid? :)

Who is this Young Mart ... I'm older than you, you whippersnapper :PDT10

[Ged]

True. You're young Mart and i'm even younger Ged. :ninja::PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[hmtmaj]

Found this in a book - Roads, Rails & Ferries of Liverpool - J.Joyce.

The Red House, with the "Blezard's" Advert

Mart

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1386/theredhouse.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/i/theredhouse.jpg/)