Everton history and clearance areas

[imd6662]

Hi there

I've been interested to read some of the memories on here about old streets and places which have since disappeared, presumably as a result of major clearance durings the 1970s?

The last set of posts on the Everton District thread showing both a 1960s roadmap, and a contemprorary map, grpahically shows how an incredibly dense network of back to back streets (presumably creating pretty poor living conditions), has been transformed.

Looking at the 1855 OS map, shows another picture again, this time before much of the high density settlement occurred.

I'm interested because these are the palces where my grandfather was born (and ran away from!).

In particular I'm interested if anyone has any memories of or information about Orient Street and Priory Street (two of the older streets in the area, being on the 1855 map, and now covered by the Dixie Deans Playing Fields.

Also interested in any clues about: Amelia Street, Potter Street, and Nicholson Street.

I'm also curious about the "priory" referred to in Priory Street (and perhaps also Priory Road. Does this refere to one specific histrical priory in the area, or where there a few.

More generally, can anyone popint me at a published or available hsitory of the development and growth and change of Everton?

Cheers from New Zealand.

Ian

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi there

I've been interested to read some of the memories on here about old streets and places which have since disappeared, presumably as a result of major clearance durings the 1970s?

The last set of posts on the Everton District thread showing both a 1960s roadmap, and a contemprorary map, grpahically shows how an incredibly dense network of back to back streets (presumably creating pretty poor living conditions), has been transformed.

Looking at the 1855 OS map, shows another picture again, this time before much of the high density settlement occurred.

I'm interested because these are the palces where my grandfather was born (and ran away from!).

In particular I'm interested if anyone has any memories of or information about Orient Street and Priory Street (two of the older streets in the area, being on the 1855 map, and now covered by the Dixie Deans Playing Fields.

Also interested in any clues about: Amelia Street, Potter Street, and Nicholson Street.

I'm also curious about the "priory" referred to in Priory Street (and perhaps also Priory Road. Does this refere to one specific histrical priory in the area, or where there a few.

More generally, can anyone popint me at a published or available hsitory of the development and growth and change of Everton?

Cheers from New Zealand.

Ian

Good luck to you in your enquiry, Ian. I don't have any specific answers about the streets you mention except that I can possibly help you with your query about whether there was a priory in this area. From what I know of local history, no. The nearest priories, to my knowledge, would have been Birkenhead Priory to the west, Norton Priory (near Runcorn) to the east, and Burscough Priory to the north. I think I am right in saying there are a number of streets with ecclesiastical ramifications in the Everton/Anfield area, and the name possibly has more to do with Victorian romantic notions than any specific institution in the area.

Chris

[robbo176]

heres a photo of the Dixie Dean playing field taken last year...a new school is currently being built on the site of the fields

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/dixiedeanplayingfield.jpg

[imd6662]

Thanks for clearing up the mystery of the priory Chris -- you;re dead right about the ecclesiastical name fetish of course.

The 1855 OS map does show a large house of some sort at the confluence of Priory and Orient Streets -- wonder what that was.

Thanks too, robbo, for the pic of the Dixie Deans Playing Fields. I'd seen there was some kerfuffle some years ago about rights of use to that land -- seems like the council won! Visiting the UK shortly so will be intertested to god and have a look for myself.

[crowy]

Hi there

I've been interested to read some of the memories on here about old streets and places which have since disappeared, presumably as a result of major clearance durings the 1970s?

The last set of posts on the Everton District thread showing both a 1960s roadmap, and a contemprorary map, grpahically shows how an incredibly dense network of back to back streets (presumably creating pretty poor living conditions), has been transformed.

Looking at the 1855 OS map, shows another picture again, this time before much of the high density settlement occurred.

I'm interested because these are the palces where my grandfather was born (and ran away from!).

In particular I'm interested if anyone has any memories of or information about Orient Street and Priory Street (two of the older streets in the area, being on the 1855 map, and now covered by the Dixie Deans Playing Fields.

Also interested in any clues about: Amelia Street, Potter Street, and Nicholson Street.

I'm also curious about the "priory" referred to in Priory Street (and perhaps also Priory Road. Does this refere to one specific histrical priory in the area, or where there a few.

More generally, can anyone popint me at a published or available hsitory of the development and growth and change of Everton?

Cheers from New Zealand.

Ian

hi i was brought up in orient street from 1953 to time of clearance i lived in number 15 hayworth street loads of memories priory street and priory road where either side of orient. it was very close nit community everyone was in the same boat top of are street was trails chandelers where we used to go and get are coal bricks and spent are free coupons the shops i remember on top road where dolly's grocery's shop where we would get tic until my dad got payed on a thursday night. also peegrums where we used to get are brocken biscuits. plus i would get sent to the pawn shop with my brothers suits and my mum would get the back out ready for the weekend. orient street consisted of about 4 different style houses ares being 1 of the biggest (love to have that size now) at the top of orient street we had the co-op hall and many times we would be chased away while orange loadge the band practice went on. hope this helps you out lots bye.

[crowy]

hi i was brought up in orient street from 1953 to time of clearance i lived in number 15 hayworth street loads of memories priory street and priory road where either side of orient. it was very close nit community everyone was in the same boat top of are street was trails chandelers where we used to go and get are coal bricks and spent are free coupons the shops i remember on top road where dolly's grocery's shop where we would get tic until my dad got payed on a thursday night. also peegrums where we used to get are brocken biscuits. plus i would get sent to the pawn shop with my brothers suits and my mum would get the back out ready for the weekend. orient street consisted of about 4 different style houses ares being 1 of the biggest (love to have that size now) at the top of orient street we had the co-op hall and many times we would be chased away while orange loadge the band practice went on. hope this helps you out lots bye.


sorry about dolly's grocery
shop it was accualy tilly's grocery shop and dolly's was where i worked it was a fruit shop at the top of mere lane.

[PhilipG]

There were houses called ------- Priory.
Quite a few dotted around Liverpool.

[taffy]

Hi there


More generally, can anyone popint me at a published or available hsitory of the development and growth and change of Everton?

Cheers from New Zealand.

Ian

There is an interesting history of St George's Church Everton which also covers the development of Everton. This is sold through the church.

http://www.neighbourhoodservices.com/stgeorgeschurch/churchviews.htm

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Everton/stgeorge.html

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/stgeorgesmain/index.html

[Ged]

I have been asked by a couple of people if anyone on Yo can supply a photograph of Taliesin Street. It ran between Scotland Road and Great Homer Street and was cleared in 1966. I have exhausted all the usual sources and have actually found pictures of all the surrounding streets such as Dalrymple St, (where Schofields was) Louis St and Mould St.

[imd6662]

Well I actually made it to Everton last Saturday hampered by a lack of sense of direction, no map, confusing road signs, and an appaling downpour.

Saw the former Dixie Deans fields, now a school building site, which once was a such a densely populated negihbourhood.

Wish I'd know about the chuch history -- would have popped in and bought a copy. Does anyone have an email or postal contact for the church?

ALso found a photo of what must have been the last remaining terrace of houses to be cleared in Orient Street, in the library's archives.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

[geo]

Hi great site... Born in Everton and lived by the Watertower, Belgrave Terrace and our bathroom was in Margaret Street till the ball and chain gang moved in. Went to SFX infants and juniors.. School memories "The Christian Brothers" Jeez they were vicious their motto you will learn, and you did, or else. The Headmaster was a tall man with silver hair Mr O'Keefe I think, he liked giving the leather strap for being late on cold frosty mornings ouch!!! games on the roof, the dinner centre the smell of gas and cheese pie, hated that, and benediction on fridays.
Watched the 1965 youtube of Everton up Brunswick road it was like I was taken back in time, used to be a place up Brunswick Road for the blind like a workshop run by the nuns, I remember there used to be a collection box outside of a blind boy or was it a dog, used to pat it on the head on the way home from school every day and gave the odd copper if I had one. Remember Grant Gardens and the park on Shaw Street cant think of the name, happy days.

[George]

I have been asked by a couple of people if anyone on Yo can supply a photograph of Taliesin Street. It ran between Scotland Road and Great Homer Street and was cleared in 1966. I have exhausted all the usual sources and have actually found pictures of all the surrounding streets such as Dalrymple St, (where Schofields was) Louis St and Mould St.

There's a pic in "It all came tumbling down" Ged,sadly it only shows a back view of houses with no rear windows.
The house are under demolition.

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/3063437446_c370f43bac_o.jpg
from the park with the Gladstone windmills and one of the new ones at Trafalgar.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/3062600611_ece2015f82_o.jpg
view from everton park
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/3063437534_6ea2a06459_o.jpg

[Samp]

Hello folks!

It?s been some months since I have been on the forum. To those of you who remember me, I have been involved in collating and archiving a history of the Shrewsbury Boys Club (as was,) it is now known as the ?Shewsy?.

Based in Everton, the club has been running since 1903.

Several old boys and myself (who where members during the fifties) get together each Friday morning to input photos and information on to computer. There is a wealth of information from the early years up to the present day. There are many newsletters relating to the war years with some detailed information of the blitz in 1941. I have been scanning many of the photos onto my computer at home (hence my absence on the forum). We hope to put out a DVD of old photos, to raise money for the club. Anyone born in or from the Everton district, or anyone who had parents or grandparents from Everton who went to the club, will find a memory or two.

Some photographs of slum clearance in and around the area between Great Homer Street and Netherfield Road may be of interest; I will try and put some on the forum at a later date.

Cheers - Samp

[ItsaZappathing]

Thanx Samp. Good to have you back.:PDT_Piratz_26: You ain't been forgotten as you had a mention in the "YO 08 awards":handclap:

Cracker pics again Joe:handclap:

[Ged]

Those pics would be interesting to see Samp. Do they have them on display in the Shewsy or online anywhere?

I used to drink in the Tugboat and sometimes went to the Shewsy as we always knew it, Tochy was the bloke that was running some of the activities.

My mate's brother got married in the attached St. Peter's church there and when I was in a group in 1981 we played there a couple of times. A lad who was in our current group, John Colfar also currently has something to do with it.

It was very sad about the lad from Old Swan being killed outside there last year. Keep up the good work Samp.

[Samp]

Those pics would be interesting to see Samp. Do they have them on display in the Shewsy or online anywhere?

I used to drink in the Tugboat and sometimes went to the Shewsy as we always knew it, Tochy was the bloke that was running some of the activities.

My mate's brother got married in the attached St. Peter's church there and when I was in a group in 1981 we played there a couple of times. A lad who was in our current group, John Colfar also currently has something to do with it.

It was very sad about the lad from Old Swan being killed outside there last year. Keep up the good work Samp.


Ged

Many of the photos are on comuter in the club but there are still many more to scan in. If you have a free Friday morning anytime you would be welcome to come in and see what we have got. Its early days yet for the internet or the DVD. I myself think the originals should go to the local history section of the William Brown Library, but its not for me to decide.

[Ged]

I suppose as long as the photos are being stored by some organisation or other for future generations, that's the main thing. Lee Jones League of Welldoers and the Scottie Press also have a great archive, I suppose it would be wise for the LRO to at least have copies so a format is all in one place. Work commitments make it a bit difficult for fridays or I would but thanks for the invite. Are the photos from private individuals who just happened to capture the past.

[Samp]

Ged

Most of the photos from the past have been taken over the years by individuals at the club and some go back as far as 1904. Later photos have been taken by people from the district and passed on to the club or taken by club members themselves, its a very mixed bag. Also quite a few have been taken from old club and church magazines. Many are of sporting events relating to the club. I will sort some out for the forum to give you an idea.

Cheers!

[Samp]

Ged!

Some pictures as promised.

pic 1 - This picture shows slum clearance in the region of Back Prince Edwin St. The building in the background is the Ann Fowler women?s hostel.

Photographer unknown but photo from club archives.

pic 2 - Corner of Dorrington St and Portland Place, taken from club.

Slum clearance in progress.

pic 3 - Another shot of the same corner, note the landing houses on the left with the central steps!

pic 4 - No1 court off Portland place. This is just across the road from the Roscommon Cinema on the left hand side of Portland Place.

Photo from club archive.

pic 5 - This is a photo of the club taken in 1942 after the blitz. It shows the remains of the houses next to the club. The far building on the extreme right of the picture is in Great Homer St.

This is how the archive team come across rare photos, this one was found in a bound journal of club magazines from the library at Shrewsbury School.

[Ged]

Those are brilliant Samp. Thanks for the time and effort in sharing them.

[Samp]

Some more pictures of Everton.

Pic 1 Lampost at bottom of Sackville St, Everton. Interesting to note that the multi story flats in the background have now been demolished.

Picture from club archive.

Pic 2 Another picture of Sackville St, probably taken from one of the high rise flats.

Sackville St School in the foreground, (now demolished) the old Shrewsbury boys club can be seen just behind the terraced houses in Sackville St. The lane on the left of the picture is Back Roscommon St

Picture from Club magazine.

Pic 3 A photo of the Shrewsbury Boys Club. This picture looks as though it was taken from the landing of the houses in Portland Place, as seen in one of the earlier photos.

Picture from club archive.

Pic 4 Horse and cart at the junction of Portland Place and Sackville St.

The lamppost is the same one the two girls were swinging on in the first picture.

Picture from club archive.

[ItsaZappathing]

I agree with Ged.
Cheers:handclap:

[Samp]

I agree with Ged.
Cheers:handclap:

Thanks John (it's the same Zappa isn't it?) only I feel that something has been happening during the time I was away, where have people gone? a lot of names missing from when I was on last.

[lindylou]

Thanks John (it's the same Zappa isn't it?) only I feel that something has been happening during the time I was away, where have people gone? a lot of names missing from when I was on last.

Your feelings are right :unibrow: ... yes, indeedy, a lot has gone on. A lot of members are no longer around.

Interesting pictures by the way. :PDT11

[Samp]

Your feelings are right :unibrow: ... yes, indeedy, a lot has gone on. A lot of members are no longer around.

Interesting pictures by the way. :PDT11

Thanks lindylou!

I won't ask, But I see we are still stuck with that Ged fella!

[lindylou]

Ged is a good egg. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[ItsaZappathing]

Thanks John (it's the same Zappa isn't it?) where have people gone? a lot of names missing from when I was on last.
Tiz I indeed Samp.:PDT_Piratz_26:
Yeah Ged is still cracking bad jokes.:PDT_Xtremez_42:
Others have just gone AWOL:PDT10
keep posting your brilliant pics. :handclap:

[Ged]

Others have just gone AWOL:PDT10

Because of my bad jokes.



Another great batch Samp. Those high rise were Mazzini, Garabaldi and Cavour House, named after the Italian reformists (there you go John, one for Debz)

My nan and an aubty and uncle lived high up in Mazzini, a great view that I under appreciated as a 12 year old.

That pic is from one of the heights as you can just see the corner of one of them in front. That horse and cart one is so clear, a great photo and one of Shewsy house with the charabanc.


Thanks too Lindylou, glad you're posting a bit again.

[bobo]

Hello all

Does anyone have any memories of a Caros Street off Netherfield Road? I have learned that my great grandad lived there in 1911 and I'm trying to work out where it was and what it was like. Seems to have been in the vicinity of the John Bagot Hospital. I'd be interested to hear what anyone remembers or knows of that street...

Thanks!

[lindylou]

Thanks too Lindylou, glad you're posting a bit again.

I've been busy with other projects and I'm otherwise preoccupied with family commitments.

[Samp]

Some more photos of Everton and Shrewsbury Club.

Pic 1 Court running down behind houses at top of Prince Edwin St.
The court showing at the top came out into Prince Edwin St
Opposite Prince Edwin St Primary School, (March Grove?)

Pic 2 Another picture from club magazine showing top of Rose Vale, Anthony St, Arkwright St, after the Blitz of 1942. You can just see some air raid shelters in the distance.

Pic 3 On a different note. Here are club members from 1904 enjoying a game of billiards.

Pic 4 In contrast here are club members from the 1950?s plying billiards.
I think it might be the same table from previous picture!

[potter]

Hi just a few of my pictures of the area while whizzing through on my broomstick a few years back.

Amp, you are brilliant with those photos. I went to the club a few years back to see the chap running the venture. You and his volunteers deserve a mention in history for doing your great work, thank you.

[Ged]

More great pics Samp and your too Potter. I went to Rossy for a year in 1974 when in 2nd year St. Gregs. We all had to move across, lock, stock and barrell when Greg's was getting done up and they found asbestos. There was a big caged footy pitch behind it which we used to use and that corridor brought back memories. If I remember correctly, through those double doors at the end led into the big assembly hall we used as the gym.

[Sirob]

Great stuff, Samp.

As you are compiling a record of the area, do you want some of my own pics? They should be shared with others.

[ItsaZappathing]

Very Good Potter :PDT11

[Samp]

Hello all

Does anyone have any memories of a Caros Street off Netherfield Road? I have learned that my great grandad lived there in 1911 and I'm trying to work out where it was and what it was like. Seems to have been in the vicinity of the John Bagot Hospital. I'd be interested to hear what anyone remembers or knows of that street...

Thanks!

Hello Bobo!

Caros Street was behind the John Bagot Hospital, it was off Northumberland Terrace, just across from St Georges Church. The area is now a park.

You might find more info from the church, one of the helpers there is into local history.

Cheers Samp

[Samp]

More great pics Samp and your too Potter. I went to Rossy for a year in 1974 when in 2nd year St. Gregs. We all had to move across, lock, stock and barrell when Greg's was getting done up and they found asbestos. There was a big caged footy pitch behind it which we used to use and that corridor brought back memories. If I remember correctly, through those double doors at the end led into the big assembly hall we used as the gym.

Ged

Rossie was my school, fond memories, left in 1956 I have got some old tales to tell at a later date.

This is a rare picture of the old school, pulled down in the early 30's

[Samp]

Great stuff, Samp.

As you are compiling a record of the area, do you want some of my own pics? They should be shared with others.

Hello Sirob!

The small band of senior surfers I am working with are compiling a history of the Shrewsbury Boys Club. lots of information and photos are being discovered relating to the Everton area. I am compiling any photos or information relating to the area. Born and bred there it holds fond memories for me, and of course the old housing has all gone. any photos would be welcome.

[Samp]

Hi just a few of my pictures of the area while whizzing through on my broomstick a few years back.

Amp, you are brilliant with those photos. I went to the club a few years back to see the chap running the venture. You and his volunteers deserve a mention in history for doing your great work, thank you.

Good pictures Potter!

They bring back memories, the corridors look small to when I was there.

We have some photos of the school being built but I have not pasted them up becouse I am not sure who they belong to. If I can get permission I will paste them up.

A good shot of the old club building in Portland place, now apartments I believe.

[Samp]

Hello Samp,

Please contact me at www.cravenapple@aol.com to discuss.

Hello Sirob. I am not getting any joy with cravenapple@aol.com
I have tried through google, but not luck.

[Ged]

Samp. Try as I might, I cannot find a pic of that old disused pub on the corner of Wakefield Street and Mansfield Street that was used by the Shewsy lads at the beginning but i'll keep looking.

[Samp]

Samp. Try as I might, I cannot find a pic of that old disused pub on the corner of Wakefield Street and Mansfield Street that was used by the Shewsy lads at the beginning but i'll keep looking.


Thanks Ged!

[Billy D]

Hi Samp

I used to go to the Shewsy Disco in the early 70s,,,Also i went on a couple of Midnight Hikes to Moel Famau,,,,,I dont know to this day how most of us got up there wearing platforms,,,,,,

Be nice to see a few pics from that era

Great Days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BILL

[Samp]

Hi Samp

I used to go to the Shewsy Disco in the early 70s,,,Also i went on a couple of Midnight Hikes to Moel Famau,,,,,I dont know to this day how most of us got up there wearing platforms,,,,,,

Be nice to see a few pics from that era

Great Days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BILL


Hello Billy

There are plenty of photos from your era, but because of the amount of stuff to go onto computer we are drawing a line up to the 60,s, we hope someone from that period may take up the challenge and carry on from there.

You are welcome to call in any Friday morning, ask for the archive team, we will be able to let you look through some photos of your era. maybe you can identify some faces for us.

[Ged]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7783/shrewsburyclub1908.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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One for Samp but I suspect you might already have it.

The Shrewsbury Club at 33 Portland Place in 1908.

The secretary of this establishment was The Reverend Digby Bliss Kittermaster M.A. and was also incument as missioner and chaplain to the reformatory ship 'Akbar'.

Information and photo courtesy of Paul Bolger's fantastic book - Edwardian A-Z part two.

[Samp]

Thanks for that Ged, we have got a copy of that picture.

The Reverend Digby Bliss Kittermaster M.A. (What a name to conjure with.)

Kiddermaster was concerned about the plight of the young lads around the city and decided to do something about it, he was an old boy of Shrewsbury Public School and he contacted other old boys who were in business in and around Liverpool and also the school, he begged and received, donations to start up the club. Hence the name, ?Shrewsbury Boys Club?
Opened in 1903 in Mansfield Street and moving three years later to the building in the photograph.

I have a letter written by him describing the opening and the suspicion of the first lads who entered on the first night thinking it may have been a set up. When I scan it into the computer I will post it up it makes good reading.

[billy5]

Hi Samp

I used to go to the Shewsy Disco in the early 70s,,,Also i went on a couple of Midnight Hikes to Moel Famau,,,,,I dont know to this day how most of us got up there wearing platforms,,,,,,

Be nice to see a few pics from that era

Great Days,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BILL

hi billy i used to go to the shewsy my self in the early 70s with the likes of willy collins gordon read steve leahey and ronny naden

[Doris Mousdale]

I have been asked by a couple of people if anyone on Yo can supply a photograph of Taliesin Street. It ran between Scotland Road and Great Homer Street and was cleared in 1966. I have exhausted all the usual sources and have actually found pictures of all the surrounding streets such as Dalrymple St, (where Schofields was) Louis St and Mould St.

Hi there,
It was William Mould St if I remember right my dad used to have a yard there where he parked his wagons plus one in Kew St. Does anyone remember the bike shop corner of Dalyrmple St .Frank O'Neils?? they used to sell every Matchbox toy as they came out 1/6 each in old money.Used to wlk up past Schofield's to get to the new flats in Skirving St these were part of the rejuvenation and they have now been demolished
How about trying to list the shops on both sides of Great Homer St from Great Mersey St to Paddy's Market( Cazeneau St Market)Starting with the Co-Op Dairy, Grocery and Butchers bottom of Conyers St then there was a gap where Jason and Media St filled the space where Crete St was bombed snd then a little general shop bottom of Thomas St. Post office was across the road on the corner

[Ged]

Hiya Doris, yes there was a Mould St and a William Moult St. Take a look at the post war b&w pics on my site below and you might well see the yard as there is some industry on the photo. I have an Edwardian A-Z with a list of all the shops on Greaty but long before our time of course :)

[Doris Mousdale]

Hello all

Does anyone have any memories of a Caros Street off Netherfield Road? I have learned that my great grandad lived there in 1911 and I'm trying to work out where it was and what it was like. Seems to have been in the vicinity of the John Bagot Hospital. I'd be interested to hear what anyone remembers or knows of that street...

Thanks!

Don't know what the area is like now but in the 60s John Bagot Hospital was a redbrick building with a high wall surrounding it the street was on the north slopes those steep streets that were murder during winter kids used to make slides by pouring water on the hard packed snow and many took a fall.It would have been past York Terrace. There were some big houses in those streets usually well cared for you know lace curtains and scrubbed steps and polished brasses and the plant in the window.

[George]

Hello all

Does anyone have any memories of a Caros Street off Netherfield Road? I have learned that my great grandad lived there in 1911 and I'm trying to work out where it was and what it was like. Seems to have been in the vicinity of the John Bagot Hospital. I'd be interested to hear what anyone remembers or knows of that street...

Thanks!

Caros Street was behind John baggots at the top,it was next to Pyramid street and Northumberland Terrace ran parrallel to it at the top of the street.

ps Caros Street, it wasn't off Nethy as Nethy was at the bottom of John Baggots.