My Irish Pride

[Gnomie]

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/photy5209.jpg

Great Hunger Memorial Liverpool

My Irish Pride

I have placed this here to remember our Irish ancestors, and their contribution to this city. It is here only to respect them, and the heritage we have in this city, not to have a go at any other groups. I placed it here as nothing much is on this forum to the Irish. Now have a Guinness and enjoy:PDT_Aliboronz_24:


Like most, my Irish ancestors had to fight terrible poverty and appalling housing conditions. My Great Great Grandparents Michael and Margaret Cain, both died within hours of each other of bronchitis, on Christmas eve 1874. Having no money they where buried in paupers graves at Ford cemetery, but at least the records show they where buried together in the same grave. A lot of my Irish ancestors would follow the same path of pauper burial. Today all I have to remember them by, is a field in Ford cemetery. Once a year I place flowers in the center of the field, before moving them to the No Name memorial. A small token of remembrance for my kin.

As well as hardship, they had to face the wrath of people who thought them Scum, adding insult to their despair. Yet by sticking together they found strength, a bond that brought them hope and helped them to carry on. They formed their own communities, involved other immigrant groups, and lived together side by side. They worked the factories and docks or peddled their goods, sang songs of the homeland, and danced to fine music. Against all odds they rose and spread into the city, they survived, because of their strength I am here today, proud to have their blood running through my veins, their knowledge in my thoughts, their love in my heart.

To the present day my family still travels to and fro from Liverpool to Ireland, visiting relatives. Flying is far more easy than our ancestors sea voyage. The first time I set foot in Ireland I felt that I belong, It is my history, and my ancestors homeland. In June of this year another influx of Irish will arrive, this time for my wedding, and the pubs will take a belting. Happy days for happy people.


Mersey reporter http://www.merseyreporter.com/history/historic/irish-immigration.shtml


BBC legacies http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/immig_emig/england/liverpool/article_1.shtml

Liverpool Remembers http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KZH/is_2_11/ai_30151745

Liverpool and the great hunger http://www.irishholocaust.org/liverpoolandthegreat

BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2852029.stm

St Michaels Irish Centre http://www.stmichaelsirishcentre.org/

The great hunger potato famine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Potato_Famine

ICLiverpool plans to resurrect the Irish Centre http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/content_objectid=14060691_method=full_siteid=50061 _headline=-Plans-to-resurrect-Irish-Centre-after-lost-decade-name_page.html



The Catholic cathedral is nicknamed Paddy's Wigwam.

We have so many Irish pubs.

We have an Irish festival.

The St Patrick's day march along Scottie and Vauxhall road is back, the flags where flying high and looking great.

many Irish names roads, lots in Old Swan.

Plaques to the famine victims located around the city.

Plenty ive missed, but aint it great to see the heritage remembered.:handclap:

Oh yeah- and cheap flights to Ireland:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I also have Swedish, Welsh and English in my ancestry. Most of it is Irish, Hence my pride :)


http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/d34.jpg

Famine Statues Dublin
http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/d35.jpg

The Statues are located at Custom house Quay

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/d43.jpg

The Quay was the walkway the victims once walked along to the coffin ships.



Statue Info http://earthanduniverse.blogspot.com/2007/09/ireland-past-and-present_27.html

[Waterways]

OK your ancestors were Irish. Give it a rest. :) :)

[sweetcheeks]

[QUOTE=Gnomie;122888]http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/photy5209.jpg

Great Hunger Memorial Liverpool

My Irish Pride

I have placed this here to remember our Irish ancestors, and their contribution to this city. It is here only to respect them, and the heritage we have in this city, not to have a go at any other groups. I placed it here as nothing much is on this forum to the Irish. Now have a Guinness and enjoy:PDT_Aliboronz_24:


Like most, my Irish ancestors had to fight terrible poverty and appalling housing conditions. My Great Great Grandparents Michael and Margaret Cain, both died within hours of each other of bronchitis, on Christmas eve 1874. Having no money they where buried in paupers graves at Ford cemetery, but at least the records show they where buried together in the same grave. A lot of my Irish ancestors would follow the same path of pauper burial. Today all I have to remember them by, is a field in Ford cemetery. Once a year I place flowers in the center of the field, before moving them to the No Name memorial. A small token of remembrance for my kin.

As well as hardship, they had to face the wrath of people who thought them Scum, adding insult to their despair. Yet by sticking together they found strength, a bond that brought them hope and helped them to carry on. They formed their own communities, involved other immigrant groups, and lived together side by side. They worked the factories and docks or peddled their goods, sang songs of the homeland, and danced to fine music. Against all odds they rose and spread into the city, they survived, because of their strength I am here today, proud to have their blood running through my veins, their knowledge in my thoughts, their love in my heart.

To the present day my family still travels to and fro from Liverpool to Ireland, visiting relatives. Flying is far more easy than our ancestors sea voyage. The first time I set foot in Ireland I felt that I belong, It is my history, and my ancestors homeland. In June of this year another influx of Irish will arrive, this time for my wedding, and the pubs will take a belting. Happy days for happy people.








Nice to hear about your Irish family Gnomie. I too have lots of Irish blood and am very proud of the fact they survived even though the odds where against them. I hope that is where I get my spirit from. Love the photos not seen those statues before.

[Gnomie]

Thanks Sweetcheeks

Great to hear of your Irish ancestors:PDT11

Sadly this thread has already gone down hill. I have always had respect for other groups/cultures, seems others dont.

Is it really worth staying here anymore :disgust:

[sweetcheeks]

Thanks Sweetcheeks

Great to hear of your Irish ancestors:PDT11

Sadly this thread has already gone down hill. I have always had respect for other groups/cultures, seems others dont.

Is it really worth staying here anymore :disgust:




Yes it most certainly is YOU would be missed, you brighten our day with your chat. There will always be people that only see the negative in everything and we will never change that so rise above it and keep smiling :)

[molly]

Gnomie - Great to hear about your Irish ancestory and what they went through to make Liverpool what it is today and that your family and friends also still celebrate and are still proud of their ancestory.

:handclap::handclap::hug::hug::hug:

[A.D.W]

I have mainly Welsh and English blood in me, but I find this thread most interesting. Good work, Gnomie.

:PDT11

[lindylou]

ditto.

I don't have Irish in my family but I found Gnomie's post very interesting to read. Those statues are very interesting, I havn't seen them before.

[Kev]

ditto.

I don't have Irish in my family but I found Gnomie's post very interesting to read. Those statues are very interesting, I havn't seen them before.

I have too and havn't seen those before. Cheers Toe!

[quincyg]

those statues in Dublin are haunting. I only had a small memory card at the time so didn't take as many photos as I'd have liked.

taken Feb 2005
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Pic460.jpg

[Ged]

Great thread Tony. With a surname like mine, I always knew there was Irish in me somewhere down the line, thanks for finding it for me, you're a star. :handclap::PDT11:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Gnomie]

Bloomin Eck :eek: great replies ( apart from one ) im glad i put this here now:)

Nice pic of the statues quincyg :PDT11 they are very haunting, some close up pics of them here http://www.flickr.com/photos/pamilne/sets/72157594465492346/

and here http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimbliss/sets/72157600031130957/

It is amazing to watch peoples reactions to the statues, they turn a rowdy bunch into sombre souls. I always try to go and see them when im in Dublin, I think it would be nice if Liverpool had a set of statues arriving in our city.



Kev with a surname like yours I think you may find an Irish connection if you look through records, I have seen you name appear a lot on church records from Scottie/vauxhall road areas.

Thanks again :PDT11 Im glad you like it, My Irish connection is really important to me.

Tony

[Ged]

Apart from the 2 Kevin Keegans we all know - there was a father and son redheads with that name in Gerard Gardens in my time there. Bloody commoners ;)

[Gnomie]

Ged sent me some cracking photos of the Paddy's day parade :PDT11

Post them Ged!!!! Post them!!!!:PDT_Piratz_26:

It made me laugh and think about my Nanna, She used to send us to Irish dancing lessons, saying "its in your blood". It may have been in me blood but it was'nt in me bloomin feet, I was rubbish, but it was great fun. :)

She would tell us stories of Ireland, Of the great hunger, the proud people and all the legends of the Isle( im sure she made most of it up) not bad for a girl born in Bootle :unibrow: she told us the stories where passed down from our Kin, "never forget your roots are in Ireland" she would say. A real star my Nanna.

[kevin]

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Ged]

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[Ged]

Taken by Ron Formby of www.scottiepress.org


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[shoney]

those statues in Dublin are haunting. I only had a small memory card at the time so didn't take as many photos as I'd have liked.

taken Feb 2005
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Pic460.jpg

no disrespect whatsoever but these are the tallest irish people i've ever met, incl family, most of my irish mates are midgets or midgets slightly taller brothers, great pics

[kevin]

no disrespect whatsoever but these are the tallest irish people i've ever met, incl family, most of my irish mates are midgets or midgets slightly taller brothers, great pics

Artististic license to accentuate the thinness I'd guess.

Though I'm of Irish ancestry and 6' 5" with three brothers of similar height, so perhaps it's only leprechauns you know?
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Waterways]

Artististic license to accentuate the thinness I'd guess.

Though I'm of Irish ancestry and 6' 5" with three brothers of similar height, so perhaps it's only leprechauns you know?
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

The Irish are not a tall race at all. There are exceptions though.

Those statues in Dublin are superb. When Liverpool Waters is done, a part near Clarence Dock (the Irish Dock), should have similar statues. The whole dock should excavated and used as a memorial/Irish themed part of the city. The city has to face up to its role in that man made disaster.

[Gnomie]

Great pics Ged :handclap::handclap::handclap:

[hmtmaj]

Quote "I think it would be nice if Liverpool had a set of statues arriving in our city."
Gnomie, this is a great idea.

I too have Irish ancestors ( Mother's maiden name was Shannon ) and fondly remember as children, all family and friends coming around after the pubs closed, a few wooden crates of brown ale for the adults and we ( the kids ) joining in the singing of many an irish tune. :PDT_Aliboronz_24::handclap::handclap:

[bobfromcork]

I have been looking around for the last few weeks in search of my grandad's grave. He died at 20 walnut st. Liverpool 7 on the 9th jan 1944. We have his death cert. John O'Brien he was born on the 24th april 1866 at Knockalban, Co. clare, Ireland. On the 22nd April 1888 he married Bridget Brosnihan in Limerick. He left Limerick around 1914 and ended up in liverpool.

I am one of 17 children - 14 of us still alive. the youngest is nearing 50. my parents had 59 grandchildren. I would love to find my grandad's grave - as would many of my family. We never knew our grandad.
I would like to re-member him.
I hope to hear from Liverpool records office in the next few days. I rang the Anfield cemetry number and a very kind gentleman promised to ring me back.
So just in case you know anything or can help me in any way my email is bobfromcork@gmail.com.
I feel good just having written that much. I wish you peace.

[lindylou]

Hi and welcome to Yoliverpool.

good luck in your search. :)

[bobfromcork]

Thanks Lindylou

[Gnomie]

Hi Bob

I have put your message on the Merseyside Genealogy Forum, they may be able to help you, I really hope so mate.

There link is http://genchatfriends.proboards39.com/

I will post any replies here

Kev this aint no spam :ninja:

good luck, and welcome to the forum:PDT11

Tony

[Broliv]

Never noticed this thread before, great idea Gnomie. My Mums side of the family is all irish, my dad's being a mixture of english and scotish.

Great idea too to have similar statues on the liverpool side of the irish sea.

[Gnomie]

Never noticed this thread before, great idea Gnomie. My Mums side of the family is all irish, my dad's being a mixture of english and scotish.

Great idea too to have similar statues on the liverpool side of the irish sea.

Glad you like it.

threads for Welsh, Scottish, Scandanavian, English are in the cultures and communities section.

Yep the statues here would be great, but would they pay for them? i doubt it

[Broliv]

They should. Should commission the same guy that made the ones in Dublin, or even talk to Dublin council about letting us copy the desgn or have somthin similar. Same with Belfast, increase links n'all

[John(Zappa)]

Brill pictures all:)

[chippie]

Since I,ve been mainly "away" so to speak, I,ve been knuckling down to my family tree and structuring it better and visiting relatives etc; BUT out of the blue I got a mail from America telling me my gran,s mother was in this woman,s tree somewhere. So she sends another mail the same night and shows me a piccie of my Irish gt gt grandmother Margaret Frazer, not very Irish sounding but still she lived there back in the 1820s.

So although I,m mainly doing my pop,s side of the tree, it pays to have some trails here and there so that complete strangers get in touch and give you a surprise.

Talk about getting messagers from the grave, this internet business is really weird and full of surprises.

My advice to family tree makers or relative seekers is as I said "leave your trail, your footprint now" AND NEVER GIVE UP HOPE of finding someone.

cheers peeps. kvn:hug:

[Howie]

MAJOR IRISH COMMUNITY CONFERENCE IN LIVERPOOL

A major conference for the Irish Community in Liverpool has been
planned for Saturday 10th May 2008 at St Michael's Irish Centre (http://www.stmichaelsirishcentre.org/),
Boundary Road (West Derby Road), Liverpool 2.00pm-7.00pm. Designed
as part of the Irish community's contribution to Liverpool's Capital
of Culture 2008, the conference entitled 'Inné Agus Inniu'
(Yesterday & Today) aims to address the history of the Irish
Community in Liverpool and also examine today's community and the
issues facing Irish people in modern day Liverpool.

"Liverpool's Irish community is one of the oldest in England, and
has contributed much to the development of the city in terms of its
cultural identity, economic development and its artistic endeavours.
This conference will also address how Liverpool's Irish community
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itself. The conference will explore Irish community development of
the past, but also look at today's community and how it continues to
influence and change the life of the City. A particular focus will
be on how Irish community groups/organisations are developing and
how the `Liverpool Irish' identity is facing up to new challenges
and influences"

Conference highlights include:

· Presentations from Irish community groups including: Conradh Na
Gaeilge, Irish Community Care Merseyside, Gaelic Athletic
Association and others…..

· Individual presentations from Tommy Walsh and Bernard Morgan

· A `Question Time' session

admission free...refreshments provided

[bobfromcork]

Hi Bob

I have put your message on the Merseyside Genealogy Forum, they may be able to help you, I really hope so mate.

There link is http://genchatfriends.proboards39.com/

I will post any replies here

Kev this aint no spam :ninja:

good luck, and welcome to the forum:PDT11

Tony

Thanks Gnomie. It was good for me just to write what I did. In a way we have been looking for my grandad's grave for years. It's just that I started again recently. I would dearly love to visit his grave.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Go gcuiti Dia thu
Bob

[Howie]

Historic tax records shed light on forgotten families
Apr 22 2008
by Alan Weston, Liverpool Daily Post

AN HISTORICAL collection of more than a million 19th-century Irish names that time would have forgotten, but for the tax man, has been launched online.

Dating from 1848 to 1864, Griffith’s Valuation of Ireland was put together by Irish geologist Sir Richard Griffith as a means of assessing for taxation purposes the property of those living in Ireland at this time.

With the destruction of almost all the 19th-century Ireland censuses during the Irish civil war, this collection is thought to be the only record of existence for many of the 1m people whose names it lists.

Importantly, the collection covers the years of the Irish Potato Famine (1845-1852), which plunged Ireland into crisis and resulted in more than 1m Irish dying and a further 1m emigrating.

The port city of Liverpool has long been a destination for Irish migrants, with by far the greatest influx of Irish people to Liverpool during the years of the Great Famine in the 1840s. Tens of thousands of their descendants are now living in and around Merseyside.

Travelling on disease-ridden “famine ships”, often at great personal risk, Irish immigration to England, Scotland, Australia and North America during this time marked the start of what was to become the ongoing depopulation of Ireland, which continued for the rest of the 19th century.

For the millions of descendants of these Irish émigrés, and also of those who stayed behind, the collection – on Ancestry.co.uk (http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=1269) – will be a key and only resource to uncovering their 19th century Irish roots.

Among the more famous listings in the collection is Abraham “Bram” Stoker, author of the classic horror novel “Dracula”, listed at his childhood home in The Crescent, Dublin, with his father.

As a member of the wealthy middle class, Bram remained in Dublin until 1878, when he moved to London to pursue his career as an author.

The records are indexed by name, location and landlord and also contain descriptions and size of property as well as the valuation given to the land, offering anyone with Irish ancestry an opportunity to delve into their heritage.

Ancestry.co.uk spokesman Simon Harper said: “This collection will be hugely relevant to anyone with Irish ancestry as it may hold the only record of the existence of their ancestors during this colourful and tragic time in Ireland’s history.

“The Irish Potato Famine was a significant event in world history, causing a huge spike in international emigration from Ireland, and so making this an important collection for those of Irish descent the world over.”

alanweston@dailypost.co.uk

Source: Liverpool Daily Post (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/04/22/historic-tax-records-shed-light-on-forgotten-families-64375-20798020/)

[bobfromcork]

Just got a phone call today from Anfield cemetery. Got number of my grandad's grave. I am so pleased. So are my brothers and sisters. He died in 1944. We never knew where he was buried. We will re-member him. Thanks to all from my seven brothers and six sisters.
I wish you peace in your families.
Bob

[claire1812]

Great thread. Like a lot of Scousers, I too have a lot of Irish in me. It's strange because even though I've never been to Ireland (and I'm 23 now), I somehow feel a connection with it. I really want to go sometime soon to find out if this is just wishful thinking or there is actually some substance to the way I feel about Ireland. Is this something you can relate to? Or did it take you to go there to realise you felt so strongly about it?

[Gnomie]

Great thread. Like a lot of Scousers, I too have a lot of Irish in me. It's strange because even though I've never been to Ireland (and I'm 23 now), I somehow feel a connection with it. I really want to go sometime soon to find out if this is just wishful thinking or there is actually some substance to the way I feel about Ireland. Is this something you can relate to? Or did it take you to go there to realise you felt so strongly about it?

I always felt a connection with Ireland. The first time i visited there i felt like i belonged. I have Welsh, Swedish and southern English ancestors, though i dont feel connections to them. my ancestors are mostly Irish, so i guess their blood stirs up feelings for Ireland in me. It is where my roots are:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3168/2720266116_a1391b6bcc_o.jpg Saw this today on the Clarence Dock wall

[Ged]

Yes i've seen that but never photographed it, Ken Pye mentions it in his discover Liverpool book - well done gd.

I suspect Gnomies and my great grandad would have passed through there around 1847 along with many others.

[Gnomie]

Great Pic:handclap:

I still think more than a plaque should remember them.

[lindylou]

Great pic GD :)