Unseen Liverpool

[Sirob]

Certain parts of the city appear to have suffered from a famine of photographers. Mundane streets were taken for granted, until they were gone! I tried to preserve on film everyday and unusual aspects of the way we were, keeping one jump ahead of the bulldozers!
My collection has remained unseen, until now, so enjoy.

The pics;
Sunset, from Sheil Park flats, 25 December 1971.
Consort Street, Edge Hill, August 1971 (typical 2 up, 2 down terraces c/w shop)
Everton Heights, August 1970.
Off St. Domingo Road, Everton, August 1970

[DaisyChains]

Certain parts of the city appear to have suffered from a famine of photographers. Mundane streets were taken for granted, until they were gone! I tried to preserve on film everyday and unusual aspects of the way we were, keeping one jump ahead of the bulldozers!
My collection has remained unseen, until now, so enjoy.

The pics;
Sunset, from Sheil Park flats, 25 December 1971.
Consort Street, Edge Hill, August 1971 (typical 2 up, 2 down terraces c/w shop)
Everton Heights, August 1970.
Off St. Domingo Road, Everton, August 1970

Brilliant!
You should create a Flickr album and then you can have all these great photos in one place!
I quite agree about the mundane places thing, I am starting to think more and more like that....:)

[disco]

Fantastic pictures sirob..:handclap:
is that the royal being built in the first photo ?

[John(Zappa)]

Brilliant.
More please:handclap:

[PhilipG]

Beautiful. :handclap:
Carless streets - great, and the busiest it gets is one man and his dog.
More please!

When I collected postcards, there was an Edwardian photographer who specialised in taking photos of side streets in Liverpool.
They are very rare, and therefore very expensive.
(All I've got are a few photocopies.)

[johnmed]

Thanks for sharing

[Cadfael]

The pics;
Sunset, from Sheil Park flats, 25 December 1971.
Consort Street, Edge Hill, August 1971 (typical 2 up, 2 down terraces c/w shop)
Everton Heights, August 1970.
Off St. Domingo Road, Everton, August 1970[/QUOTE]

Amazing pictures! Just to correct you on one - it's Congress Street not Corsort Street. This was just off Smithdown Lane, Edge Hill.

:PDT11

[chippie]

bravo sirob, more please if you have any. I,ve managed to get permission for this photo to be put on here. It,s a pawn shop in county road I,m lead to believe.

[chippie]

Two more, one is a shop in gt charlotte street, and the other is inside Scott,s from the north of liverpool somewhere

[Ged]

Brilliant Sirob. I too prefer older pics and if colour all the better. Harry Ainscough was fantastic for capturing the 'mundane' nondescript side streets, alleys and otherwise overlooked by the many. The LRO is full of them and with their permission i've crated a new page on my website which will be given over to them.

Chippie, I thought porn shops were more your kind of thing?

[Sirob]

Thanks for the pos feedback, have some more;

Off St. Domingo Road, Everton, August 1970
North from flats, Everton Valley, " "
Mason Street, Edge Hill, " "
Milligans govt. surplus shop, Mount Pleasant, Sept 1970

[Sirob]

Grand National Day, 1965.
Special trains at Aintree Central.
Restored from a paper neg!

[John(Zappa)]

Brill.Any of Norris Green?
Norris Green wasn't photographed much.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[DaisyChains]

Just brilliant!
So lovely to see.
Do you have any of Liverpool 8?

[robbo176]

brilliant photos:handclap::handclap::handclap:

I've spent all day trying to workout the streets off St Domingo Road though

[PhilipG]

Wendy's Drapers was at 150 Heyworth Street, so this is Clarence Grove.
(1968 Kelly's Directory).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2306853639_a06ea280d6_o.jpg

[Waterways]

Wendy's Drapers was at 150 Heyworth Street, so this is Clarence Grove.
(1968 Kelly's Directory).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2306853639_a06ea280d6_o.jpg

That is a genuine cannon.

[Ged]

[QUOTE=PhilipG;115746]Wendy's Drapers was at 150 Heyworth Street, so this is Clarence Grove.
(1968 Kelly's Directory).


Yes and Mandy, that church pic you posted up from Frank Lehnan's book. Wendy's is almost opposite I think it may even be in that pic (near the Thistle pub) which is now May Duncan's.

[quincyg]

Brill.Any of Norris Green?
Norris Green wasn't photographed much.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

2 of my step-daughters live there and were asking about what it used to be like . Found this website (http://www.sw-norrisgreen.co.uk/) about the area. Loads of pics...Enjoy

[Sirob]

More;

Housing off St. Domingo Road, August 1970
Moss Street, (Majestic in background) August 1970
Water tower and resevoir, after slum clearance, Everton, August 1970
Queens Drive, from Cherry Ave flats, August 1970
Breeze Hill, Walton, (resevoir c/w shelter on right) August 1970

[disco]

More fantastic photos Sirob Thank you.:handclap: the one from the flats on St Domingo looking over the old corpy yard wow I'm back walking down them streets again.:PDT11

[chippie]

And Sir Thomas White Gardens too, an old haunt of mine in the 60s

[John(Zappa)]

2 of my step-daughters live there and were asking about what it used to be like . Found this website (http://www.sw-norrisgreen.co.uk/) about the area. Loads of pics...Enjoy

Thanx Quincy but that website doesn't update much.
I can't find any pics of the prefabs on Townsend ave anywhere:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[robbo176]

Wendy's Drapers was at 150 Heyworth Street, so this is Clarence Grove.
(1968 Kelly's Directory).

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2306853639_a06ea280d6_o.jpg


[QUOTE=PhilipG;115746]Wendy's Drapers was at 150 Heyworth Street, so this is Clarence Grove.
(1968 Kelly's Directory).


Yes and Mandy, that church pic you posted up from Frank Lehnan's book. Wendy's is almost opposite I think it may even be in that pic (near the Thistle pub) which is now May Duncan's.

Thanks Philip & Ged
I found Clarence Grove in an ald A-Z it's nearer to Mere Lane than the Thistle

heres another photo from the book of St Benidicts Church

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/stbenidicts.jpg

[chippie]

Mandy, that church pic you posted up from Frank Lehnan's book.

What is the name of the book, I think I missed the title?

[Ged]

It's called 'My Liverpool', a crackin book.

Whilst were on the subject of old photies, a new page on my site dedicated to LRO ainscough stuff for people who can't get down there.

http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7



Enjoy.

I will be adding more pics periodically and starting a slums/courts prewar page shortly.


,.

[Ged]

I've also added some old swimming baths and the old Judges lodgings onto the bottom of another page of my site.


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=42204765&cr=7




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[Sirob]

Todays ration!

Liver Buildings from Princes Dock Loco Shed. This straight track was used as a test for repaired engines. The loco in the distance was being test steamed after being restored privately. May 1971
Parade of shops by Maghull station, Just look at the cars! April 1970
Walton Road, Co-op head office and Blair Hall on left. March 1973
Ditto, looking towards Spellow Lane
County Road, Walton, looking towards Spellow Lane. Gerard Kelly's was Spellow Station on the Canada Dock - Edge Hill branch.

[PhilipG]

The cars, from left to right are:
Ford Prefect,
Singer Gazelle,
Hillman Minx
and Ford Cortina.

[sheilsy]

Thanks so much sirob for sharing what I think are some of the best pictures I have ever seen on all the forums, absolutely brilliant.

Many Thanks

[Sirob]

Some Walton images;

Queens Drive/Walton Hall Park, from church tower, 1966
Bedford Road, Makin st.-Stuart Road (typical terrace-shame about the furthest car!) 1969
County road, from church tower, 1966
Snow by theAdelphi, February 1968
Will post more in a weeks time, if you can wait!

[chippie]

Thanks for the title of that book Ged.

Sirob great photos mate. It,s nice to see some "other" photos of Liverpool instead of the usual ones, not that there is anything wrong with the photos or the photographers posted on here, but a change is as good as a change....:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[PhilipG]

Thanks so much for these historic (and unique) views of Liverpool.
I'd like to thank Sirob (K G Rose) for giving me permission to put his photos in 'Old Liverpool', where they will be together in one set, as well as in the daily posts.
See link below.

[Ged]

Brilliant yet again Sirob.

I'd like to expand on what Shielsy and Chippie have said. This is the best forum by far for photographs of long lost scenes with thanks to the great members on here including of course the latest influx.

[John(Zappa)]

Some Walton images;

Queens Drive/Walton Hall Park, from church tower, 1966
Bedford Road, Makin st.-Stuart Road (typical terrace-shame about the furthest car!) 1969
County road, from church tower, 1966
Snow by theAdelphi, February 1968
Will post more in a weeks time, if you can wait!

Brilliant.Keep em' coming:handclap::handclap:

[Sirob]

With your ace feedback, I've just time to post some more;

Rice Lane, from Dunlops, looking towards the hozzy, 1971
Corpy yard, St. Domingo Road, from flats, August 1970
Hawthorne Road Bridge, from Kirkdale Carriage sidings, May 1970
From Hawthorne Road Bridge, ugly sisters on the skyline, May 1970
Walton Junction, towards Kirkdale, hozzy water tank, chimney to left, March 1974

[Cadfael]

Fantastic photo's as ever!! :handclap::handclap:

[wallasey]

Sirob I have really enjoyed looking at your images from 70's Liverpool...County Road in particular is one of my favorite part's of the city and it's great to see it back from "back then" as it were!

I was wondering if you had/have any images of Birkenhead or know of anyone who does??? Wirral's archive service is practically nonexistent after part of Birkenhead Library fell in the other month!

Keep up the good work!

[Waterways]

Corpy yard, St. Domingo Road, from flats, August 1970


I think you may be a few year out there. LFCs mains stand is being extended. That was done 1972/73, if my memory is right. I could be wrong though.

[disco]

2nd photo " corpy yard " Just behind Mayor Lester School i can see Rembrandt street were i was born Thank you sirob..:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[John(Zappa)]

Fantastic photo's as ever!! :handclap::handclap:

I'll second that.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[sheilsy]

Love your pictures sirob, are these pictures you took yourself at the time or were they taken by your parents, where they part of a project? and how come you had the hindsight to take such pictures, these really are a great set of pics as the majority of them depict the areas where I grew up, cant wait for the next set. THANKS SIROB

[quincyg]

wonderful stuff :handclap:

[DaisyChains]

I've also added some old swimming baths and the old Judges lodgings onto the bottom of another page of my site.


http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=42204765&cr=7




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Brilliant website Ged! :)

[Kev]

Fantastic pics :handclap::handclap:

[Sirob]

I'm back from sunny Spain, so more pics again!
A bit of background, first. I was born and grew up in Walton. My father encouraged me to take up photography, by presenting me with a Brownie 127 in the early 1960's. Apart from the usual snaps, I became horrified at the wholesale demolition of whole districts, not to mention a way of life, and tried to record what I could. When I could afford colour, this continued as my own private project that has remained unseen, until now. They could so easily have ended up in landfill, but I want to share them with everyone. They are all mine, unless stated and I am pleased at the feedback. Enjoy!

County road, Walton, from Hale Road looking north, March 1973
Everton Valley, inc. Derby Arms pub, March 1973
Westminster Road, Kirkdale, from Furness St. looking north, March 1973
Bedford Road, Walton, note Bedford, middle left March 1973

[quincyg]

wonderful stuff. :handclap:
welcome back, we've missed your great pictures.

[PhilipG]

Welcome back.
The Bedford is very timely as demolition started today.
Somebody emailed me to say that they'd started to take the tiles off, so I suppose I could record the demolition.
Something I certainly would rather not have seen.

[quincyg]

Welcome back.
The Bedford is very timely as demolition started today.
Somebody emailed me to say that they'd started to take the tiles off, so I suppose I could record the demolition.
Something I certainly would rather not have seen.

I'm not sure I'd want to see the 'death' of a building like that. Now Concourse Hse would be different.

[Waterways]

I'm not sure I'd want to see the 'death' of a building like that. Now Concourse Hse would be different.

I like Concourse House. A nicely styled well proportioned modern building. It was just neglected, that's all.

[quincyg]

I like Concourse House. A nicely style modern building.

if it was somewhere else maybe. right 'on top' of the station just looks wrong.

[John(Zappa)]

wonderful stuff. :handclap:
welcome back, we've missed your great pictures.

I'll second that:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Sirob]

As the poor Bedford, part of my childhood, goes to the cinema index in the sky, I feel it in keeping to provide a requiem for another great building. "you take them for granted, until one day they're gone!"

Its a fine June Sunday morning in 1971. In the middle of Liverpool it's the end of an era for a once proud Central Station. The previous night, British Rail closed it, except for a temporary booking hut on Platform 4 for the Gateacre line, until that could be closed too.
The empty forecourt, wood panelled booking hall still advertising places to travel to, - but not from here! A once bustling concourse now only echoes to the detritus from the previous day blowing about. The only waiting here now is for the wreckers ball, which came on the 19 th July.

[quincyg]

what great shots. I don't really remember the old Central so it's great to see those photos. Thank you :PDT11

[Sirob]

Further to my last posting, the death throes of the Majestic Cinema, Daulby Street, August 1970
Rare, in that the demolition contractors let me in, to roam freely(pre HSE days).
No doubt they thought that I was the district nutter!!!!!
Outside view, projection room, balcony demolition and stage with contractor on it. The black line across the screen is a fallen top masking curtain.
Under the balcony was a room packed with the archive of the cinema; old framed photos, plans, documents, etc. I did rescue an old seating plan and the fire record, ie; played in the event of fire to alert the staff - not the patrons. It was "Three blind Mice"!!!!! complete with Majestic sticker. Wish I could have saved more.
At least a little bit was saved and as every picture has a story, these were my attempts at "arty pics. and the background to it.

[Louis]

the central pictures are great!

[Sirob]

Some B&W for a change;

County Road bridge/Spellow Tunnel from the cab of 8F 48168 on 3 rd May 1968. The remains of Spellow Station platforms are beyond
And one of the driver!
Walton engine shed(CLC). Note the water tower and half timbered house on Queens Drive. Found this decades ago at a fair. Don't know who to credit it to.
Kirkdale Tunnels, From Antonio Street Bridge, Bootle late 1950's. My Dad used to bring me here as a child. Found this among his possessions, after his death.
Kirkdale Station and porter! 1965. Typifies the gloomy holes that a lot of suburban stations were then! Electric trains and gas lighting!

[John(Zappa)]

Again fantastic photos.
You should watermak them with your name so no one can take credit for them except you.
Excellent.

[Sirob]

In 1960, off City Road, Walton, a bonfire was being built. scattered around it were hundreds of glass lantern slides. even as a child of 9, I thought they should be saved and grabbed as many as I could. Until now they have gathered dust, but as they can now be scanned, have a look!
The church decorated is Linacre Methodist on Stanley Road, Litherland.
But where was Crosby Lighthouse??????

[DaisyChains]

In 1960, off City Road, Walton, a bonfire was being built. scattered around it were hundreds of glass lantern slides. even as a child of 9, I thought they should be saved and grabbed as many as I could. Until now they have gathered dust, but as they can now be scanned, have a look!
The church decorated is Linacre Methodist on Stanley Road, Litherland.
But where was Crosby Lighthouse??????


what a fantastic story!

[Sirob]

Looking towards Walton Hospital from flats, Breeze Hill.
West Derby, from church tower.
Towards Norris Green, from Cherry Ave. flats All August 1970
Mather Ave. towards Garston. March 1973
Liverpool Institute for Boys, Mount St. March 1973

[quincyg]

In 1960, off City Road, Walton, a bonfire was being built. scattered around it were hundreds of glass lantern slides. even as a child of 9, I thought they should be saved and grabbed as many as I could. Until now they have gathered dust, but as they can now be scanned, have a look!
The church decorated is Linacre Methodist on Stanley Road, Litherland.
But where was Crosby Lighthouse??????

well done you!

here's a bit online about the lighthouse (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/amphiaraus1/page31.html)

[Sirob]

In 1971, a small industrial steam locomotive was restored in Princes Dock loco shed(Mersey Docks & Harbour Board). It was test steamed and these rare pictures are included because I feel that they show how atmospheric, the area once was.
The policeman in the last pic is saying " you can't park that thing here"
All July 1971.

[lindylou]

Thanks for posting all your smashing pics :PDT11

[John(Zappa)]

Thanks for posting all your smashing pics :PDT11

Brilliant.Any of Norris Green?:PDT_Piratz_26:

[John(Zappa)]

Good them.And I agree fantastic story.Lucky you had sense at that age eh :PDT11

[merseywail]

Got these yesterday.. the first is Litherland depot next is birkenhead north, with noddy the cat sitting on the platform. anyone got anymore station, or depot cats?. a scruffy ribble bus at mann island. and last a steamy Exchange sta

[Sirob]

Crackin' pics, Merseywail, so there are more out there!
Sorry, I never photographed Norris Green.
Some rare shots, although outside Liverpool, may be of interest.
When I had a push bike in the early 60's, I went all over south west Lancashire, looking at closed railway lines. The box brownie went too.

Altcar and Hillhouse station, Liverpol platform, 20 th June 1964
As above, Booking office entrance.
Note; Because a railwayman lived there, it survived complete until the late 60's. I have a shot of the main buildings, but it is too dark to copy.
Ainsdale Beach station remains, same date, now under the coast road!
Sefton and Maghull station, boarded and de-leaded, same date.
Churchtown station during demolition, (this was electrified as far as Crossens on the Southport - Preston line - which was demolished with indecent haste after closure in 1964.) 31 January, 1965.
Skelmersdale station on 2nd March 1965. the track was being lifted between here and Rainford Junction, at this time.

[Sirob]

Crackin' pics, Merseywail, so there are more out there!
Sorry, I never photographed Norris Green.
Some rare shots, although outside Liverpool, may be of interest.
When I had a push bike in the early 60's, I went all over south west Lancashire, looking at closed railway lines. The box brownie went too.

Altcar and Hillhouse station, Liverpol platform, 20 th June 1964
As above, Booking office entrance.
Note; Because a railwayman lived there, it survived complete until the late 60's. I have a shot of the main buildings, but it is too dark to copy.
Ainsdale Beach station remains, same date, now under the coast road!
Sefton and Maghull station, boarded and de-leaded, same date.
Churchtown station during demolition, (this was electrified as far as Crossens on the Southport - Preston line - which was demolished with indecent haste after closure in 1964.) 31 January, 1965.
Skelmersdale station on 2nd March 1965. the track was being lifted between here and Rainford Junction, at this time.Sorry, the one of Sefton got attacked by gremlins! here it is.

[merseywail]

Some good & rare shots there Sirob. A great shame about the loss of the west lancs line. Would have made a great preserved line, with steam from southport central to preston fishergate

[Sirob]

Some good & rare shots there Sirob. A great shame about the loss of the west lancs line. Would have made a great preserved line, with steam from southport central to preston fishergate I agree. The haste in which not only the track but the bridges were removed suggests that "they" were determined it would never be re-opened. Already electrified to Crossens as well. That would have kept a few cars off the road today!

[Sirob]

To carry on the railway theme;

Aintree Central under snow, 28 december 1964
-And re-opened on Grand National Day, 1965
Plus The Blue Pullman at Sefton Arms, next door.

These have been restored from paper negs, cheap photography but could only be printed by the film maker!

[Sirob]

Towards the cathederals, over Lime Street Station roof, August 1970
Deserted playgrounds, Liverpool Institute, Mount Street, February 1991
After the Toxteth Riots of 1982
Top of West Derby Road(Hippodrome), August 1970

[Scouseinmanc]

Absolutley superb Sirob - you do have some really great photos.
I am also from Walton (top of Spellow Lane actually, next door to the old church at the top of the road on the RHS) & it's just how I remember the area. Although I was more of an 80's kid, but it hadn't seem to have changed that much in 10 years.
The biggest difference in all of your photos is the total absence of road traffic.
Being a rail enthusiast, I am of course totally biased toward rail. However, this still doesn't change the fact that we had a superb local rail network, which started to whither away during the 50's & then of course drastically reduced even further after Dr. Beeching wielded his 'axe' in the the 60's.
I don't suppose you have any more of the old Central & Exchange stations do you?
Loved the pics round the St Domingo Rd area. A complete travesty that so many lovely old houses have disappeared, all in the name of redevelopment. I was also overjoyed to see pics of my old school - Hillside High, Breeze Hill. You really have taken me back home!!
Look forward to seeing more of the same - keep em coming!!

[ChrisGeorge]

Fine photographs here, sirob and merseywail! Many thanks for sharing them with us! :handclap:

Chris :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[merseywail]

Some shots of exchange sta. these any good scouseinmanc ?

[Sirob]

Thanks, Scouseinmanc. I was brought up in Bedford Road, by the Stuart Hotel.
Great pics, Merseywail, Exchange just as I remember it! Somehow, B&W does it justice.

Fernhill Road/Derby Park, Bootle,
Breeze Hill/Southport Road junction, Both August 1970
Poplar Street(off Breck Road), March 1973. This was a typical scene; the pub has gone, houses boarded up, gap on RH side from the blitz and the bulldozers soon to do what Hitler forgot!!!!
Truncated Landing Stage, Pier Head, March 1977
Waterfront from a ferry, March 1977

[lindylou]

Thanks for sharing these pics Sirob.
That school at the end of Poplar st has now been demolished.

[merseywail]

I used to play in Derby park years ago, to young to remember the lake though. I and a large number of people stood at the breeze hill / southport rd junc to watch st Johns house ,( the old tax office) being blown up. still think they should have got Ken Dodd to to press the button!!! Keep em coming sirob .

[Sirob]

Thanks, lindylou. Only found out it was Poplar Street last night. Just had it down as "slums Everton" so had to get the old maps out!

Snow scenes from 8 th February 1968;
Liverpool Institute, Mount Street
Lesters Tuck Shop, Pilgrim Street

Edge Hill Loco May 1968, some of its last residents await their final journey.
The David Lewis theatre, Gt. George Place, June 1977

[John(Zappa)]

Fine photographs here, sirob and merseywail! Many thanks for sharing them with us! :handclap:

Chris :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Need I say more:PDT11:handclap::handclap:

[Scouseinmanc]

Some shots of exchange sta. these any good scouseinmanc ?

Absolutley Sirob - thanks!
You really should think about starting your own website you know.
You have so many great pics & it's great that you've shared them with us all.
Kind regards, SiM.

[sheilsy]

Just echoing everyone else's views that your pictures are great and a truly nostalgic journey for me, as it was this era that I grew up, and seeing these pics truly takes me back. Thanks for giving me your permission to share your fine pics on my site, I am sure they are going to evoke a lot of memories for lots of people.

Many thanks for sharing....

[merseywail]

A few more from me. the first two show trams passing under walton sta bridge in april 1955 . Next a ribble bus on a very quiet linacre rd, you can just see the corner of the richmond sausage factory, used to have a big sign with a pig holding a sausage on a fork. last a view looking to william brown st from the old tunnel . I will be walking this again 15 june.

[Waterways]

Ribble had some ugly looking buses. They did north Liverpool and Crossville the south, while the Corpy did all of Liverpool and even into Prescot. Did the Corpy go into Crosby? I think Ribble did that.

St Helens busses strangely has a bus that went from Speke, through Netherly, Huyton and St. Helens, and the odd route to Liverpool centre.

[Sirob]

Thanks for all your kind comments, I'm just glad to share - they could so easily been binned and thus unseen forever!
It was amazing what you could do pre HSE days, hence some unique situations - and sometimes I had a camera!

On the Bidston to Wrexham line;
Heswall Hills, Neston North and Hawarden Bridge stations, April 1970
North Mersey yard, Loco water column, Februry 1971
A fine pair of L&Y water columns, Wigan Wallgate, October 1970
Who bothered to record mundane items like the above, when there were trains to "cop". But its all gone now!

[merseywail]

Ribble had some ugly looking buses. They did north Liverpool and Crossville the south, while the Corpy did all of Liverpool and even into Prescot. Did the Corpy go into Crosby? I think Ribble did that.

St Helens busses strangely has a bus that went from Speke, through Netherly, Huyton and St. Helens, and the odd route to Liverpool centre.

Never mind ugly ,what about that vicious sliding door! used to close shut with an almighty thud. Dont think the corpy went to crosby. They did have service's to seaforth sands, & ran joint service's with ribble to netherton.

[Sirob]

Some more of the last steam on the docks, the privately owned tank engine at Waterloo goods and crossing the Dock Road, July 1971
There are some interesting backgrounds.

[quincyg]

A few more from me. the first two show trams passing under walton sta bridge in april 1955 . Next a ribble bus on a very quiet linacre rd, you can just see the corner of the richmond sausage factory, used to have a big sign with a pig holding a sausage on a fork. last a view looking to william brown st from the old tunnel . I will be walking this again 15 june.
I'm not far from the old saus works. will see if I can get a pic from roughly the same place to see how much it's changed


Some more of the last steam on the docks, the privately owned tank engine at Waterloo goods and crossing the Dock Road, July 1971
There are some interesting backgrounds.

thanks for those of Waterloo Goods. I'm still hopeful of seeing earlier pics of the place, but the ones you've put up have been great to see. :PDT11

[John(Zappa)]

Sirob,Quincy,Knowhowe & Merseywail- You all should get together and put a few books together.
Your pics are rare,unseen or just plain brilliant.
And if ya do and make a few quid,don't forget me:PDT_Piratz_26:
Thanx again for sharing them.:PDT11

[quincyg]

one thing baffles me about that Ribble pic. if that's the sausage works then the bus is going the wrong way for it to be Linacre Rd. if it was Linacre the bus would be city bound surely?
I think it's maybe Bridge Rd? The road to the right that the saus works is on would be Linacre Rd. Behind the bus would lead up to the Red Lion pub and the old lift bridge over the canal.
unless someone who knows the bus route from back then can confirm which way the bus went.

just found a pic online showing the saus works from Linacre Rd. works on the right so the Ribble pic is Bridge Rd.
http://www.liverpool2007.org.uk/transport/sausage372res.jpg

know where to take pic from now.

[merseywail]

one thing baffles me about that Ribble pic. if that's the sausage works then the bus is going the wrong way for it to be Linacre Rd. if it was Linacre the bus would be city bound surely?
I think it's maybe Bridge Rd? The road to the right that the saus works is on would be Linacre Rd. Behind the bus would lead up to the Red Lion pub and the old lift bridge over the canal.
unless someone who knows the bus route from back then can confirm which way the bus went.

just found a pic online showing the saus works from Linacre Rd. works on the right so the Ribble pic is Bridge Rd.
http://www.liverpool2007.org.uk/transport/sausage372res.jpg

know where to take pic from now.

OOPS! You are quite right . looking at a map the bus is on bridge rd heading for netherton . This must be after the opening of princess way, it would have turned up past the lift bridge before then. The caption on the back of the photo says linacre rd. must remember to double check next time

[quincyg]

OOPS! You are quite right . looking at a map the bus is on bridge rd heading for netherton . This must be after the opening of princess way, it would have turned up past the lift bridge before then. The caption on the back of the photo says linacre rd. must remember to double check next time

it's alright. I moved here after the saus works so wouldn't have recognised it anyway. it was the bus destination board that got me thinking.

I've printed off a faint version of the pic so I can get as close as I can to where the original was taken.

[quincyg]

Merseywails orig
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5631&d=1205868070

roughly the same view of Bridge Rd today. Scott house ,saus works and some of the houses on the left have gone.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/bridgerd.jpg


there are a lot of double deckers on the 55B so I thought I'd wait for it so it was closer to original photo, time I was there single decker turned up...typical. the 55A is only peak time anyway.

[chippie]

thank you all you cracker people who have participated in the unseen liverpool photos.

The Poplar St. photo is interesting to me as I am currently working on a family in our tree who married a girl out of Poplar Street many years ago. The two parents are now dead but their children fill the streets. (well it was a large family) and that photo will have some happy memories for some of those kids.

Permission to print it for them Sirob. Thanks.

[John(Zappa)]

:PDT_Piratz_26:Fine pics again

[merseywail]

A few trams pics. first is alongside seaforth & litherland sta . Next is litherland depot in may 1950, now the site of sommerfield. Third, Norris Green, feb 1955. with the CLC bridge behind, is this near broadway shops? Last, walton vale, no date or photographers details.

[quincyg]

A few trams pics. first is alongside seaforth & litherland sta . Next is litherland depot in may 1950, now the site of sommerfield. Third, Norris Green, feb 1955. with the CLC bridge behind, is this near broadway shops? Last, walton vale, no date or photographers details.

yes going on the angle I'd say it is the one by Broadway rather than Walton Hall Ave.

[John(Zappa)]

The Walton Vale pic I instantly recognised by the building on the left.It's still there today,a jewellers I think.
The Broadway picture is really good.I used to play around there as kid.The shops would be to the right.

[Sirob]

Thanks for those who are sharing their super pics. I enjoy seeing some of my past haunts.
Glad that Chippie liked Poplar Street, it was only a chance shot! Copy it with pleasure, that's what the forum is for.

Alexandra Dock Goods station on 6 th October, 1970. The level crossing was being re-laid in a wider curve, to allow modern traffic to the new Seaforth terminal.
On 26 th June 1971, the Queen opened the 2nd Mersey Tunnel. Her exit point from the Royal train at Lime Street and Her leaving the station.

[wallasey]

Sirob...you view of Everton Valley (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5520&d=1205445479) from a few pages back is amazing! The amount of time's I've been through that junction, not realising what it was like 30 years previously is unbelievable!

This is practically the same view today...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2036/1516945206_867bb545e8_o.jpg
From flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/liverpoolsuburbia/1516945206/in/set-72157601066314335/)

Keep up the good work.......if that is the right phrasing!

[quincyg]

the wasteland where the original pic was taken is now the all weather football pitches.

quite a lot gone from that original shot

[Sirob]

In spring, 1970 I visited Woodhams scrapyard at Barry, South wales. Since 1965, the firm had bought British Railways steam engines, but found it more profitable to break up wagons. There was over 200 mouldering away, amongst them a "Jinty" from Edge Hill. Does anyone remember it in happier times?
Looking North over the Odeon, August 1970
The Botanic, Edge hill, March 1976
the Landing Stage replacement, March 1977

[Cadfael]

Fantastic as ever!

When you look at the style of the Botanic in it's prime, you realise what an utter crime it was to knock it down. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[merseywail]

Sirob i think you should really look to local book publishers, your photographs are a real goldmine that should be shared with the wider public, & make yourself a few bob. I have been collecting prints & cards for 20 years now & have never seen such superb work! Unfortunately for me about 95% of my collection is of local bus, train or tram, photos so probably of little interest to publishers

[Ged]

Sirob, brill again as ever :handclap:

The third one of your latest batch might not mean anything to most people but it brought back memories for me.

Taken from across the Odeon roof, it shows Gerard Gardens in Aug 1970 with part of the technical college (Now the John Moores) being built behind. This construction was literally 100 metres from our back veranda, so it could be followed and replicated by me with my lego and dinky toys quite easily.

My nans/uncles heights, Mazzini, can also be seen amongst the many up on Netherfield Road.

Thanks again.

[merseywail]

Some pics of my local station, Seaforth & Litherland. The first is from 29/8/1955 & shows a overhead train about to depart for Dingle, this view is looking towards Southport. The next is a overhead train again, this time looking to Liverpool. The next two show electric baggage cars, the first a L&Y car, second a LMS one. last is a modernised overhead train

[Sirob]

Thanks Merseywail, as I have said before, I don't want them to be lost forever. You are producing some good stuff too! I get a kick out of all the comments, as my reward for sharing.

[Waterways]

Sirob, brill again as ever :handclap:

The third one of your latest batch might not mean anything to most people but it brought back memories for me.

Taken from across the Odeon roof, it shows Gerard Gardens in Aug 1970 with part of the technical college (Now the John Moores) being built behind. This construction was literally 100 metres from our back veranda, so it could be followed and replicated by me with my lego and dinky toys quite easily.

My nans/uncles heights, Mazzini, can also be seen amongst the many up on Netherfield Road.

Thanks again.

That is the only pic I have seen from that angle showing the blocks rising up the hill at Everton. The view from the Anglican cathedral gave a New York look, as that faded photo just about does.

[Sirob]

In the winter of 1968/9, I visited Lostock Hall loco shed, called in at Ormskirk in time to photograph the lifting of the Skelmersdale branch.
At Hall Road, by the beach, the water tap was much in use in 1963
I'm trying to salvage what I can of the negs from the sixties, but a lot are damaged. If there is a reasonable image then I will post it.

[Sirob]

Here is a wartime pillbox at Clarke Gardens? March 1971
Track lifting at former passenger platform, Alexandra Dock, February 1971
Divisional civil engineers saloon, leaving Lime Street Station, January 1971
Track relaying at Speke, 1971
Outside the Heath Hotel, Allerton,May 1971(not me!)

[tony_dk@hotmail.com]

Quote: Unfortunately for me about 95% of my collection is of local bus, train or tram, photos so probably of little interest to publishers

There are very many that have an interest in the transport scene from yesteryear, For me, railway photos from the Liverpool area pre 1990´s are fascinating,the 4 main terminals especially!! keep on submitting them please all of them, sometimes the quality of older photos is poor but the atmosphere is huge!
Cheers Tony

[John(Zappa)]

Sirob
Boss pictures as usual.That Hillman brought back a few memories.You could open them with a lolly ice stick.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[merseywail]

More b/w railway . A sand covered birkdale palace in 1955, this was on the Southport & Cheshire lines extension rly. a failed attempt to compete with the Exchange to Southport line. next is crown st in 1972, if am correct the tunnel far left led to Edge hill. Brunswick goods is seen in 1973 . The last one says edge hill, but i am sure it is Huskisson goods yard, anyone confirm?

[Sirob]

Rare pics, indeed, Merseywail! So sad to see Birkdale Palace abandoned. i only saw it as a bare platform in 1964. The "Jinty" is at Huskisson because in the left background is a box pylon. These straddled the canal and carried the 132Kv line from Clarence Dock Power station. You could hear fizzing from them in wet weather!
Regarding Crown Street, the tunnel on the left was the original bore and was much smaller(for horses). There was a basin cut out of the rock wall in it, which was fed by a seepage of water. Towards Edge Hill(behind Chatsworth St.) the cutting had a series of derelict arches on the left. At the back of one of these was a tunnel. It was about 5 feet high and four feet wide. Hewn out of the living rock, it meandered for about 100 yards, ending in a collapse. Don't know what it was, I was only 14 at the time. Can I still be prosecuted for trespassing on the railway?????????

Quite near Liverpool were a number of collieries. Their engines may have been photographed, but not the surface. Coal mining leaves a fascinating industrial landscape.
Here are the Remains of Pemberton Colliery in 1970
And Ravenhead Colliery, with poor oold "Collins Green" knocked into the engine shed pit! June 1973

[Sirob]

Some more;

The Classic cinema, Allerton Road, April 1971
Hall Road, pre prom and Gormley, August 1975
Edge Hill, Victoria Tunnel mouth(The MD&HB loco was en route to Brunswick, to re-gain the dock lines), July 1971
Towards Blacklers, over Lime St. Station roof, June 1970

[Sirob]

Top of grid, Edge Hill, (Rathbone Road?) 1959
New turntable testing, Liverpool Central, 1953

Ormskirk station, water columns, January 1970
Brynn station, 1964

[Sirob]

This is my set of the Plaza, Allerton(Classic to you) This cinema closed in April 1971 and the site redeveloped. The manager allowed me access to the projection room and the projectionist provided the stage lighting display. You can see heads in the balcony! A unique feature was the fountain in the foyer. Although blurred, I have included a pic of it.

[Waterways]

Sirob, was Murphy's War the last picture shown?

The cars are: Ford Escort 2 door, Hillman Hunter, Wolsey 1500 & Austin 1100. I had in my time a Hunter and an 1100.

[Sirob]

The final programme at the Classic, Allerton, was; "A Shot in the Dark" starring Peter Sellers and "The Hills Run Red" starring Thomas Hunter?????
I have the press cuttings and adverts from the Echo.

[Waterways]

The final programme at the Classic, Allerton, was; "A Shot in the Dark" starring Peter Sellers and "The Hills Run Red" starring Thomas Hunter?????
I have the press cuttings and adverts from the Echo.

Both of those films were old then - mid 1960s. Did you go to the last night? Many people there?

There are few older pictures of the Classic (Odeon), on this site. WW2 with Mustangs passing going to Speke and one around 1935.

[merseywail]

A corpy bus on Stanley road. A pair of ribble buses at journeys end, Skelhorne street. One of MPTE'S midi buses outside Liverpool Central during construction of the Merseyrail underground . A Overhead railway tram at five lamps waterloo. And last the top deck of a liverpool tram, but is it a green goddess or baby grand ??

[Kev]

I'm almost speechless at these pics, thanks so much :handclap:

[Sirob]

For Waterways, this is the final advert in the Echo for the Allerton Classic

[Sirob]

I did go on the last night of the Allerton Classic, the interior shots were taken then. Not many patrons, though.


Ormskirk, Liverpool bay platform signal and water column, January 1970
Bank Hall shed? ex L&Y pug, The thing on the chimney was a deflector, used when running under the Overhead, on the dock lines. A driver who lived in the next street told me that if you used it, the exhaust was deflected down and you couln't see a thing! Early 1950's? no details on back to credit.
Grand National Day 1971
Looking towards Lee Park flats, from Aymestry Court, Woolton, 1963(Went to visit a friend there and by chance had my camera!)
More pics next week.

[tpoo22]

Another heartfelt thankyou from me to all who have posted pics here. Fantastic.

[merseywail]

Some more local rail. First up is Preston rd on the line from Exchange to Wigan now renamed rice lane . Blundelsand & crosby is seen around 1905. Next is Seaforth sands station and train shed. Edge lane station around 1948, this line may reopen to passengers under plans by merseytravel. And last Aintree Central showing the simple clinker platforms used for the race day traffic .

[merseywail]

Some more from my collection, not as interesting or as rare as sirob's but here goes: the first is Stanley rd & strand rd in Bootle. The next view is a first class tram heading down Rice lane Walton. Track relaying is taking place in Rice lane, near Lynwood rd in the next view. Another view of Stanley road this time at the junction of Linacre rd with the north park on the right. And last a tram near the end of its journey at Aintree.

[quincyg]

great pics.
that's Stanley Rd/Linacre Lane corner. that view has barely changed. apart from the trams the only main difference is there is now a roundabout in the middle of the junction..

[Gerry]

The beauty of this building jumped up and bit me when last in Liverpool. I had my taxi stop just to take this snap. I only hope it is preserved it's so beautiful.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8002/dscf2209ov1.jpg

[Waterways]

Gerry,

The spire has been knocked off.

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/general/images/florrie3.jpg

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/general/florence%20institute.htm

[John(Zappa)]

Knocked off as in "Robbed" ??
Fantastic building. Its so sad to see such fine work go to ruin.

[Waterways]

http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/projects/images/florence02.jpg

http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/projects/florence02.htm

[quincyg]

took a pic today from similar place to the Stanley Rd/Linacre Lane one. a bit of new housing I'd forgotten about and of course the Triad in the background. best I could do with the amount of traffic about
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5784&d=1206705304
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2109.jpg

[lindylou]

excellent Quincy :handclap:

[hmtmaj]

quincyg, I think these kinds of comparison photos ( Then and Now ) are superb. Not a lot has changed on the buildings ( apart from the few houses in the middle missing ! ) but it's just so hard to imagine a horse and carriage on the corner of the road now and a tram trundling along.
Seeing both photo's together makes me want to jump into my DeLorean and hitting 88, going back to the time in your old photo and seeing it for real.

[Ged]

The Bridge rd 55a bus one you took and this one quincyg, you've got the angles just right - great, well done. :handclap:

[merseywail]

More bus pics. The first two show the end of the line for Litherland tram/bus depot. The third is a corpy bus heading down march lane Bootle, with the gas works to the left. No four is a ribble bus in lime street, note the merseyrail building works next to st Georges hall, they would never allow that now. And last a corpy bus on Dale street.

[John(Zappa)]

Brilliant:handclap:
The old cars are great to see.The old Manweb van brought back some memories.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[quincyg]

Brilliant:handclap:
The old cars are great to see.The old Manweb van brought back some memories.:PDT_Piratz_26:

indeed and the old Echo van at the back.
nice to see the bus terminus where Somerfield is now. I moved up here after that had been demolished so had never seen it. cheers :PDT_Piratz_26:

[Ged]

Those last 2 bring back great memories - well done. I well remember those boards around the south end of the Geoges Hall circa 77 and on the last one you can see Gerard Close and Gerard Crescent in the background. The Stockwell Mount on the first one has not long returned to that original name having been Ma Kents for quite a while.

I'd use my handclap smilie if it was working.

[shirleya]

its a shame about that old beautiful building without its spire-are they really going to demolish it? Well i suppose its just too far gone to fix now???? Or that is what they will say-and too dangerous to keep standing and no money to fix it. Its still a crying shame-it upsets me-but its happening all over the place. In my home town they do the same-wether people make a fuss or not..........sigh

[Ged]

No, they are doing it up - very slowly it seems.

[shirleya]

thanks ged-good news for that building then. Whats it going to be? sometimes they say they are doing it up tho and they take so long that it goes to rack and ruin in the process and then they use the land to develop some new cardboardy houses. Hope that does not happen here-fingers crossed.

[Ged]

Here you go

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7781&highlight=florence+institute

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2171&highlight=florence+institute

http://www.savetheflorrie.org.uk/

They should keep you occupied for a while ;)


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[merseywail]

As its grand national week here's a few pics of Aintree. The first is Aintree ''sefton arms'', no date but electric rails suggest sometime around 1906. The next Aintree again, (now with a roof over the Liverpool platform), in 1913. A race day train from the overhead rly is seen in 1956, the last year these trains ran to Aintree. The next is a very simple Aintree racecourse station on Warbreck moor. this was just a single platform covered in cinders, with single line working on the day. The last is the orient express stock on a race special in 1986

[Sirob]

Some smashing pics while I've been away. Thanks to all for sharing them, - what this forum is for!

Garston shore on the 2 nd December 1979. shipbreaking was done here and the present line up is especially poignant as it includes Salvor and Vigilant, which I remember at the Landing Stage. Now, beached like whales, waiting only for the hot bite of the cutters torch, they will soon be history!

[Sirob]

As it's coming up to Grand National Day, lots of people went from Liverpool Exchange station. these pics were taken on 9 April 1977, including an enthusiasts special, marking the closure.

[PhilipG]

Welcome back, Sirob.
Even the buildings in the background have gone!
It's so good to have photos as a reminder.

(It was a real pleasure to meet you.)

[Kev]

fantastic pics again!

[Ged]

Brilliant pics of Exchange, Bibbys and the 3 ugly sisters just how I remember them all being a towny.

[merseywail]

Welcome back sirob great photos again. Dont know if anyone has seen this site http://www.etraction.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/gallery.htm His models of the merseyrail 502's look spot on. I also hope he shows his model of exchange sta at local model rail shows when its finished, if the roof is anything to go by it should be superb. There is also a link to the class 502 site. http://www.hamptonweb.myby.co.uk/class502/ What a shame it has been left to rot like this. it may be mundane, but it is a piece of merseysides history. It should be restored & brought home.

[Sirob]

Merseywail, what a shame about the 502. It should be local, except where would you keep it??????
Glad to have you back, Philip G:handclap:
When I was a child, the most exciting thing to look forward to was a visit to the park, or the shore;

The cuckoo clock, Stanley Park, 1961
Slide, (dig the pram!!!) Stanley Park, 1961
Swings, Whitfield Road, (Rice Lane Rec) 1959
Crosby shore, wartime anti aircraft obstructions still there, 1958

[merseywail]

I think the best place for the 502 would be the new museum of liverpool life at mann island, along side the overhead coach & the L&M loco Lion. We also could have had a coach from the Mersey railway, but sadly it was destroyed in a fire at derby works. Even if it was put in the large object store, at least it would be safe.

[lindylou]

Smashing photos of Stanley park Sirob. My nan used to take me to look at that floral clock when I was little. It's still there but not as elaborate. The cuckoo clock stopped many years ago.
It's a shame when you think how things have to change .. and sometimes not for the better. :( It used to be a magical atmosphere in that flower garden, especially when you heard the cuckoo :) .. you couldn't have that now - due to vandalism - imagine it with the hoodies these days :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Ged]

You railway enthusiasts must get to the railway exhibition at Archbishop Blanch school in May. Mike Delamar who comes on here has a cracking Crown st layout and there will be a massive Lime st layout too from a certain period of time showing buildings and traffic too. I'll be there on the sat.

[merseywail]

Some more race day scenes, the first is a war time view on 6 Apr 1940. No date for the next one, but my guess is mid 30's The last shows trams during layover time awaiting the home time crowds, late 40's?

[Sirob]

Also in April, was the end of the Gateacre rail service from Liverpool Central.
these pics were taken on the last day, 15 April 1972.

Gateacre Station
Last train departing for Central
Last train from Liverpool Central
St. Michaels Station
Brunswick

[Ged]

Great Sirob, just look at that old bullnose engine at Brunswick with the big gas tank behind that's still there.

[merseywail]

Here's a few from the 1980s, just to show how soon things dissapear. The first two show Fazakerley permanant way yard in 1983. The next pair show withdrawn wirral ''503'' electric train's in sidings at Birkenhead north in 1985. the last only recently gone is Garston sta in 1983

[Aureol]

The first two show Fazakerley permanant way yard in 1983.

Brilliant photos merseywail! Just how I remember the place. :handclap::handclap:

[Aureol]

A few pics of recent-ish railway history.

First is a coal train being loaded at what is now Liverpool Bulk Terminal at Gladstone Dock in 1990. Second is a view of Lime St with a train to Manchester Victoria waiting departure in 1991. Third is a minor calamity alongside Regent Road in 1992.

[merseywail]

Good shots Aureol . Lime street is just not the same anymore, everything all units, except the odd steam special like the Duke of Gloucester on the 8th, of march .

[Sirob]

Great stuff, Merseywail! Are we going to have a railway pics war?????
It's really great to see what comes out of the woodwork.

How about Breckside Park Corpi yard in 1972;
A small steam crane (now preserved)
The remains of ex-Mersey Railway "Cecil Raikes"

New Brighton Pier in May 1976
St. Andrews Kirk, Rodney Street in August 1975
Moorfields, towards Exchange Station, April 1977

[Kev]

Love the pics, especially the one with the Mini Clubman in!

[merseywail]

Love the pics, especially the one with the Mini Clubman in!


Great stuff, Merseywail! Are we going to have a railway pics war?????
It's really great to see what comes out of the woodwork.

How about Breckside Park Corpi yard in 1972;
A small steam crane (now preserved)
The remains of ex-Mersey Railway "Cecil Raikes"

New Brighton Pier in May 1976
St. Andrews Kirk, Rodney Street in August 1975
Moorfields, towards Exchange Station, April 1977
If its going to be a railway pics war, then i will have to capitulate... LOL

[John(Zappa)]

Brilliant pics.Nice to see the Wizards Den again.The fun!!:handclap:

[wallasey]

Loving the image of Moorfields Sirob! Great capture!

[Sirob]

So the Wizards Den is now a Private Shop, still plenty of tricks!!!!!!

The Mount Vernon Hotel in August, 1975
The Hare and Hounds, West Derby, February,1976
The Lord Mayor visits West Derby on 7 January, 1973
Brunswick railway Goods Offices, June, 1968
Ancient coach body in an arch at Brunswick, June 1968

[Ged]

Fantastic yet again Sirob - when will they ever end, never hopefully. :handclap:

[wallasey]

Fantastic yet again Sirob - when will they ever end, never hopefully. :handclap:

Here Here!

The Hare and Hounds image is very interesting indeed...it would be interesting to see if the derelict stables behind it are still there.

Mount Vernon Pub image is a great capture!

[tony_dk@hotmail.com]

Sirob and Merseywail
Please please never go away, if you have to, please take great care and make sure you travel carefully, Come back unharmed and fulfill our needs for the past. Your photographs are amazing and awe inspiring, they really do bite at my memory, each one of them has so much nostalgia dripping out of it. please please have a railway war, post everything! This link has even surpassed my Everton one at the top of the pile. Please please continue to enthrall us us with the images of a past that is so recent in our minds.
Outstanding content we all agree
oh so gratefull Tony (Keep the railway theme going....)

[Kev]

So the Wizards Den is now a Private Shop, still plenty of tricks!!!!!!

The Mount Vernon Hotel in August, 1975


The one by the Royal? Wow how strange to see buildings lining the streets on the left.

My worked behind the bar there 'on and off' over the last 10 years.

[merseywail]

Some shots of the merseyside electrics. a neglected subject. The first is a Lancashire & yorkshire train at sandhills, or is it seaforth, anyone know? Southport is the next location & shows a L&Y ''overhead'' train on its way to Crossens in 1938. these trains were a lightweight stock, & were used to run trains from Southport to Dingle, via the overhead rly. Southport st lukes is next, & shows an LMS built ''br class 502'' train also going to Crossens in 1953. A 502 train again this time at Birkdale in 1953. And last is a mersey railway train at park station in 1935.

[Sirob]

Well, thanks for all your kind comments, which makes the mammoth task of digitising and restoring, worthwhile. I have a vast archive, so Ged will not be disappointed. I started Unseen Liverpool as a means to share the many unusual pics that I had taken. Some are just like the documentary "Morning in the Streets", others where it was not worth a pic, - until it was gone! I'm posting them all mixed up, so you don't know what is coming next!
ENJOY!!!!!!

West Derby Station in 1966
Knotty Ash station in 1968 (x2)
Interior, Knotty Ash signalbox, January, 1970
Exterior, as above (sorry for the quality)

PS Thanks, Kev, for all your hard work in creating Yo!

[Cadfael]

Well, thanks for all your kind comments, which makes the mammoth task of digitising and restoring, worthwhile. I have a vast archive, so Ged will not be disappointed. I started Unseen Liverpool as a means to share the many unusual pics that I had taken. Some are just like the documentary "Morning in the Streets", others where it was not worth a pic, - until it was gone! I'm posting them all mixed up, so you don't know what is coming next!
ENJOY!!!!!!

West Derby Station in 1966
Knotty Ash station in 1968 (x2)
Interior, Knotty Ash signalbox, January, 1970
Exterior, as above (sorry for the quality)

PS Thanks, Kev, for all your hard work in creating Yo!

Amazing - you should forward these on to Sub Brit's Disused Stations:

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/

[Sirob]

Towards Anfield Cemetery, from flats, Everton Valley, August 1970
Crown Street, August 1975
Holland Place/top of Wavertree Road, August 1975 (x2)
Rice Lane Rec, looking towards Hartleys, August 1975
Note; the swings were featured in a 1959 pic, on this thread.

[PhilipG]

They're all great photos.

Sometimes I used to take the lift to the top of a high-rise, just to enjoy the view.
But I never took photos!

[John(Zappa)]

Brilliant pics yet again
Thanx again for sharing such gems.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[quincyg]

wonderful :handclap:

any more of Wavertree Rd area?

[lindylou]

Thanks for taking the time to share these smashing photos. :handclap:

[merseywail]

Some more old buses. with the new st johns shoping centre & hotel, in the background, is a bus on the short lived city circle route. Next is a ribble at old haymarket. Another ribble, just past new strand. Next is Crosby rd/ St johns rd waterloo, and last a corpy bus on Green lane.

[John(Zappa)]

Brilliant pics once again
Shame the bus wasn't a No 10 leaving Green Lane as my mum could of been the conductress on that very bus???

[disco]

Love the second picture with the old green canteen wagon in the background

[merseywail]

Brilliant pics once again
Shame the bus wasn't a No 10 leaving Green Lane as my mum could of been the conductress on that very bus???
Many thanks, i will have to look out for the no 10. Has anyone spotted the elephant man on the top deck of the 67?? Posting these pics has made me realise how disorganised my collection is. I really must spend some time sorting things out.:022:

[edwardo]

FANTASTIC,Loved every one.Thank's to all.

[Sirob]

Looks like Merseywail is winning the bus war! Fab pics!

Albert Dock on 8 June 1970
HMS Eagret, Wapping Dock, March 1971
Bramley Moore Dock, August 1971
Brunswick Dock, August 1971
Morpeth Dock, Birkenhead, May 1976

[knowhowe]

At Hall Road, by the beach, the water tap was much in use in 1963

Unbelievable. One of those kids could be me! I made a mention of this tap in the course of a reminiscience about Fort Crosby a while back. Hard to believe someone photographed it- but I'm so pleased they did! Thanks for the memory.

[knowhowe]

Moorfields, towards Exchange Station, April 1977

Note the 'Wizard's Den' on the left. One of my favourite shops when a lad.

[merseywail]

Some station shots: Kirkdale, 1971. The remains of bootle balliol road, 1951. Sandhills, 1965. Walton on the hill c1929. with the loco depot far right. And last Dingle underground on the overhead rly, 1938

[drone_pilot]

merseywail do you have any images of the underground termnus before the loop line was compleated.

[oritelad]

wow so good so rare you are amazing showing such rare sites that we all thought would be lost forever thank you i keep viewing this page everyday lol

i too would like to see liverpool central undeground before it was changed in the 1970s think i saw a photo somewhere of it and it actually looked better than it does now lol

[Kev]

Some station shots: Kirkdale, 1971. The remains of bootle balliol road, 1951. Sandhills, 1965. Walton on the hill c1929. with the loco depot far right. And last Dingle underground on the overhead rly, 1938

Who owns these pics Merseywail?

[merseywail]

merseywail do you have any images of the underground termnus before the loop line was compleated.

Am not too sure, i will have a good look. I may have some in a book, dont know if its ok to post pic's from books on here. will have to ask kev.

[merseywail]

I hope everyone has enjoyed seeing pic's from my collection over the last few weeks. Am sure sirob will keep up the entertainment best wishes :)

[John(Zappa)]

I hope everyone has enjoyed seeing pic's from my collection over the last few weeks. Am sure sirob will keep up the entertainment best wishes :)

Brilliant they are absolutely brilliant.
Can't wait to see more.
Thanx again for posting such rare pics,they are well appreciated:handclap::PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[merseywail]

Thanks, but i have had to post my last. I never would have thought there would have been that much interest in them.

[Kev]

Thanks, but i have had to post my last. I never would have thought there would have been that much interest in them.

Fab pics merseywail. I would say, 'keep 'em coming', if you can acknowledge the source. If not then just put 'source unknown'.

Kev

[PhilipG]

Fab pics merseywail. I would say, 'keep 'em coming', if you can acknowledge the source. If not then just put 'source unknown'.
Kev

Not a good idea, Kev.
If you know who the photo belongs to, get permission.
If you don't know who to ask, then don't use it.

[Cadfael]

Not a good idea, Kev.
If you know who the photo belongs to, get permission.
If you don't know who to ask, then don't use it.

I disagree Phil. If we all did that, then half of the photo's around the world would never see the light of day. Perhaps adding a 'Source Unknown' and then additional information (or Kev, have something for the whole site).

I have done this on many a photo on various websites and use the following:

"Except where an author or owner is named or an item is in the public domain or its provenance has been impossible to ascertain, this web site and material contained in this web site are copyright of.......

Written permission from ...... must be obtained prior to public use or public redistribution of material from this site or of any material which is copyright.
All rights reserved."

It basically means that if you cannot find the original source of the photo, you are displaying it until the original owner comes along and asks for credit or removal of the picture.

[Kev]

Fair enough Phil, I just want the pics to continue but if its gonna be dodgy then I suppose I could get into trouble :PDT_Piratz_26:

[PhilipG]

I disagree Phil. If we all did that, then half of the photo's around the world would never see the light of day. Perhaps adding a 'Source Unknown' and then additional information (or Kev, have something for the whole site).

I have done this on many a photo on various websites and use the following:

"Except where an author or owner is named or an item is in the public domain or its provenance has been impossible to ascertain, this web site and material contained in this web site are copyright of.......

Written permission from ...... must be obtained prior to public use or public redistribution of material from this site or of any material which is copyright.
All rights reserved."

It basically means that if you cannot find the original source of the photo, you are displaying it until the original owner comes along and asks for credit or removal of the picture.


You're entitled to disagree, but I don't want Kev to get sued.

I repeat.
Ask permission if you know who owns the photo.
If you don't know who owns it, don't use it, because somebody will own the copyright.

Otherwise, it's theft.
I know I've made at least one person not like me by stating this before.
But if something isn't yours you can't give it to somebody else.

Even if it's a fabulous photo.
If it's on the net post a link to it.

[Cadfael]

You're entitled to disagree, but I don't want Kev to get sued.

I repeat.
Ask permission if you know who owns the photo.
If you don't know who owns it, don't use it, because somebody will own the copyright.

Otherwise, it's theft.
I know I've made at least one person not like me by stating this before.
But if something isn't yours you can't give it to somebody else.

Even if it's a fabulous photo.
If it's on the net post a link to it.

Kev isn't going to get sued at all Phil. I cannot imagine anyone bringing a copyright case to a forum owner, if that was the case then all forum's around the world would shut down!

It's a very grey subject of which I have taken legal advice on myself (for the same situation). I have been told that as long as I display a legal notice (see above) then I am asking the copyright holder to either inform me not to show the picture or to ask for credit. It's as simple as that and I will take the word over a paid solicitor over yourself.

[PhilipG]

Fair enough Phil, I just want the pics to continue but if its gonna be dodgy then I suppose I could get into trouble :PDT_Piratz_26:

Yes, I know, Kev.
It's very tempting.
Sirob has given permission, obviously, because they're his photos.
Your site is great for photos, but you don't want to get a bad rep.
I know SD & I had our differences, but he & I agree on this.

[PhilipG]

Kev isn't going to get sued at all Phil. I cannot imagine anyone bringing a copyright case to a forum owner, if that was the case then all forum's around the world would shut down!

It's a very grey subject of which I have taken legal advice on myself (for the same situation). I have been told that as long as I display a legal notice (see above) then I am asking the copyright holder to either inform me not to show the picture or to ask for credit. It's as simple as that and I will take the word over a paid solicitor over yourself.



Jona, let Kev decide what to do.

And don't drag this discussion on any more.
PLEASE!

[Kev]

Eh u 2, cheers for the advice! I'll consider all points raised.

I love this forum! :PDT_Piratz_26::hug:

[John(Zappa)]

Thanks, but i have had to post my last. I never would have thought there would have been that much interest in them.

Why stop???
Just put me as the owner,I don't care.:PDT10
My thoughts are this..If they're on the net and can be copied then go for it.
The copyright laws I agree with but when its available for copying/showing then there should be no problem.
Plus if you say its from an unknown source then you'll have no problem.
Keep em coming.:handclap:

[John(Zappa)]

Not a good idea, Kev.
If you know who the photo belongs to, get permission.
If you don't know who to ask, then don't use it.

If we took that attitude Phil then most people would never get to see history in pictures.
Sod that,if you got a picture that is of interest then show it.:PDT11

[Sirob]

Well, what an eventful day!
Glad that someone remembers the Hall Road tap. Hope that Merseywail is not going, I did not think that some of his pics existed of places!
The copyright issue is interesting, with a very rare exception, I am the copyright holder of what you see.

Some industrial firms had their own railway shunting locomotives, not usually able to be photographed, here are a few;

L. Rifkins scrapyard at Kirkdale, July 1976
Reads at Aintree, September 1976
Cadbury's at Moreton, September 1976
No. 3, Kirkby Trading Estate, January 1973
Monty, Cronton Colliery, Cronton, May 1972

[sheilsy]

I think this discussion has been well covered in the past , particularly between myself and Phil G...... so im saying nuthin :) although I am pleased sirob retrieved the slides from the bonfire in city road back in the sixties otherwise we would not be viewing some of these fine pics (lets hope the original owners of the slides dont find the pictures and decide to sue for breach of copyright!!... just joking Phil)

No I tell a lie...... please keep your pics coming Sirob, absolutely loving them. , and thanks Merseywall and everyone else who has shared their pics on this fine thread.

[drone_pilot]

I'm with Zappa on this one

Publish and be D amned!
Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington.

Attributed; when the courtesan Harriette Wilson threatened to publish her memoirs and his letters

[John(Zappa)]

I'm with Zappa on this one

Publish and be D amned!
Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington.

Attributed; when the courtesan Harriette Wilson threatened to publish her memoirs and his letters

Thanx Drone.:handclap:

[knowhowe]

Hi Sirob. Just adding to the unanimous chorus of praise for your pictures. What a trip.
Do you have any more of Crosby and Waterloo by any chance? Or even Chester?

[hmtmaj]

Can I just add to the praise for the photo's on "Unseen Liverpool", these are just superb, Martin. :handclap:

[Cadfael]

Jona, let Kev decide what to do.

And don't drag this discussion on any more.
PLEASE!

Phil, I am. I'm just giving my reasons for doing so having been through exactly the same situation on a past website. I consulted a solicitor who was experienced in this matter and I have passed the information on to Kev.

I'm not carrying on the thread 'just because', I'm giving free legal advice which I had to pay a small fortune for.

[Cadfael]

Gateacre Village - COPYRIGHT B. O'Farrell.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg72/cadfael2008/BlackBull_c8223_152_rs21cl35.jpg

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg72/cadfael2008/BlackBull_c8223_150_rs24cl35.jpg

[Ged]

Great Bro Cad. Not much changed in that scene then.

[Cadfael]

Great Bro Cad. Not much changed in that scene then.


Only the prices in the Black Bull lad :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Sirob]

I Don't think that I've any more on Crosby or Waterloo, but I'll put some on of Chester Station soon.

Family albumns can provide a fascinating insight as how we used to live;
Birthday partygoers, entry between Imson St. and Stuart Road, Walton, 1961

Ismay Street, typically dressed housewife,1959
Gateacre Brow, from the top of a tree! 1962
Rhyl,1959
Rhyl 1953

[Sirob]

I think this discussion has been well covered in the past , particularly between myself and Phil G...... so im saying nuthin :) although I am pleased sirob retrieved the slides from the bonfire in city road back in the sixties otherwise we would not be viewing some of these fine pics (lets hope the original owners of the slides dont find the pictures and decide to sue for breach of copyright!!... just joking Phil)

No I tell a lie...... please keep your pics coming Sirob, absolutely loving them. , and thanks Merseywall and everyone else who has shared their pics on this fine thread.

Just to clarify a point; the slides referred to were glass lantern slides, of which 4 have been posted. as they were thrown out over 45 years ago, I feel it unlikely that I will be sued. The colour slides are mine, as are almost all the black & white images.

[lindylou]

Thanks for sharing these old pics. :handclap:

[Sirob]

Some More;

Chester Station frontage, 26/04/75
No 6000 King George V at Chester, same date
No 35027 Clan Line as above
No4472 Flying Scotsman on the Saxonia, to America, 19/09/69
A week before the end, Black 5 passing Rainhill, 04/08/68

[merseywail]

Oh my what a kafuffle!!!! All these are my own pic's so, no copyright probs. The garden festival railway, the third is the shuttle train from Herculaneum. The last pic is ''Noddy'' the birkenhead north station cat, as seen in the distance on page 4. Sorry to all who had requested pics of certain stations, but the copyright probs have put a stop to all that. A shame as i have thousands in my collection, but better safe than sorry.

[John(Zappa)]

Oh my what a kafuffle!!!! All these are my own pic's so, no copyright probs. Sorry to all who had requested pics of certain stations, but the copyright probs have put a stop to all that. A shame as i have thousands in my collection, but better safe than sorry.

Shall I come collect em' and put them on myself?
Get them on here.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Sirob]

A great pity, Merseywail, but I suppose it's best to be safe than encourage litigation. I too have a lot of pics that are not mine and thus cannot publish!

How about;
The Lyceum, Bold Street, July 1978 (x3)
The Stock Exchange, Exchange Street East, February 1976 (x2)

[lindylou]

Merseywail - thanks for the photos. That one of the cat ... I'm sure my aunty & cousins will remember that cat because they live very near to that station and have used it for decades. My uncle was a train driver on that line.

[lindylou]

... and Sirob, as always - thanks for your pics too. :)

[oritelad]

arr no! please dont stop posting these rare photos they need to be shared with the world so we can remember liverpools railway history the only problem i have had with copyrights is if i use photos of someone who is trying to make money and i steel there thunder if you get me lol as for this forum its great so i never want to loose it so i dont post photos here i use internet storage to direct them there instead of putting photos here.

if someone does ask me to remove photos because i have not copyrighted it i will but i hardly think the law will be brought into it lol otherwise can you imaging how many cases of this there would be if you dont know the refrence just make it up lol say its from liverpool libery archive but i do try to refrence photos that i know whos it is and i have asked many people if i can share there photos from my site.

hope this helps

[John(Zappa)]

A great pity, Merseywail, but I suppose it's best to be safe than encourage litigation. I too have a lot of pics that are not mine and thus cannot publish!


Another one.Do you want me to collect yours while am at it?
Just put them on as copyright unknown IF you don'tknow who took em'.The there will be no problem.
So get em on here as it would be a crime to keep such hidden treasures.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[merseywail]

This looks like it could be interesting :http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/product.php?productid=57804&cat=0&page=1&featured I love all these then and now books. And this too, http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/product.php?productid=57790&cat=1003&page=3 just watch out for Bob pixtons captions, LOL. I doubt any of are local book shops will stock them, they never do, why is that?? That unfortunately means another trip to manc's land, oh well.:cha (5):

[Ged]

Fantastic ones of the old stock exchange sirob. I didn't know there was another Imperial buildings. :handclap:

[merseywail]

To ell with it. here's some from my postcard collection, all source unknown. should be no problem with these, no details or dates: Waterloo c1900,s no shortage of adverts back then. Bankfield gds c1930,s? Ainsdale c1900', with two of the L&Y electrics. Ainsdale again, with the through Southport to London train c1900's. And last Crossens on the Southport to Preston line.

[John(Zappa)]

To ell with it. here's some from my postcard collection, all source unknown. should be no problem with these, no details or dates: Waterloo c1900,s .Bankfield gds c1930,s? Ainsdale c1900's. Ainsdale again, with the through Southport to London train c1900's. And last Crossens on the Southport to Preston line.

:PDT_Piratz_26:Brilliant.I think you'll make more people happy with your pics than unhappy so that in itself is something to be proud of.
Keep em comin as they're truly appreciated:PDT11

[Mark R]

A great pity, Merseywail, but I suppose it's best to be safe than encourage litigation. I too have a lot of pics that are not mine and thus cannot publish!

How about;
The Lyceum, Bold Street, July 1978 (x3)
The Stock Exchange, Exchange Street East, February 1976 (x2)

Great pics :handclap:

Doesn't the Lyceum area (Bold Street) on the middle picture with the greenery look miles better than it does now?

[Sirob]

Fantastic, Merseywail. Your pic of Bankfield shows one of "Aspinalls Rapid Dock Shunters" (ex L&Y 0-6-0 tank engine)

Some classic poses, with classic backgrounds to boot!

County Road, by Hampton Street, 1948
Entry, between Bedford Road/Bellamy Road, 1943 (Interesting because it shows the radio aerial poles in the yards-you needed about 50 foot of wire and an earth spike to get reception!!!! Also the bins let into the walls-the binman had a handle to lift them out, put one on his back and take it to the dustcart!!!!)
Bellamy Road, July 1943, the windows behind had been blown in by a land mine and boarded.
Seacombe, 1964
Dumbarton Street, County Road, 1957, typical group and austere backdrop.

[quincyg]

great pics again. I was only talking about those bins in another thread last week. we still had them where I lived in the early 70's.

[Sirob]

great pics again. I was only talking about those bins in another thread last week. we still had them where I lived in the early 70's.
Thanks, Attention to detail is important, so the minor facets of life in the streets are not forgotten. I grew up with all this and coal fires too!!!!

[quincyg]

Thanks, Attention to detail is important, so the minor facets of life in the streets are not forgotten. I grew up with all this and coal fires too!!!!

we had one when I was toddler. toast on a toasting fork in front of the fire..happy days.

not forgetting the rag and bone man with his hand cart going up and down the entries.

I actually saw a coal wagon a few weeks back. brought back some memories that did.

[shoney]

We have a logburner fireplace, it is free standing with a flat top, last winter we had a powercut, we were in the middle of cooking a pan of scouse, we placed the pan on the fireplace and stoked the fire up, it finished the job perfectly, nice eating a bowl of scouse in front of a roaring fire

[knowhowe]

Love the Waterloo Station picture. I used to stand there in the 70s waiting for the train to college in Southport. All looks much the same.

[Sirob]

Rainford Junction was once an important junction, with lines to Ormskirk and St. Helens; In March 1965
Rainford Junction Station
from Bushey Lane Junction
From Randle Junction, towards St. Helens
Rainford Village station
Telephone bell codes for the signalboxes

[John(Zappa)]

Great pics Sirob.I like Rainford.Nice place.:handclap:

[merseywail]

Another view of rainford junction: photo J Peden collection
A liverpool tram, Pier head. : photo W J Haynes
Tram passing victoria monument. :source unknown
Trams at Seacombe ferry: source unknown

[John(Zappa)]

Great pics Sirob.I like Rainford.Nice place.:handclap:

That goes to you to Merseywail:PDT_Piratz_26:

[lindylou]

Thanks everyone for pics. keep posting :) :)

[Sirob]

Great stuff, Merseywail, where do they come from????

On 1 July 1972, The Liverpool Locomotive Preservation Group ran a railtour round Birkenhead Docks;
Duke Street/Corporation Road
South side of Bidston Dock
Dock Road, Poulton
Canning Street
Wallasey Dock

[merseywail]

Stations & signal boxes:
March lane junction, near Knowsley rd. photo by J Smith
St Michaels c1925 ''J Peden collection.''
Tuebrook c1930 ''J Peden collection''
Kirkdale west box ,source unknown.
Kirkby station .photo by G Kaye.

[Sirob]

Ah, Merseywail, so nice to wallow in the past. Especially Kirkby Station with the Aintree Loco water softening plant in the background! I used to travel on the Wigan line, when it was a proper railway!

Some postcards;
Toxteth Tabernacle, rear dated 1907, E & J Wilson, Liverpool.
Princes Park, same date, Valentines series.
Southport Lord Street, Bamforth &Co. Ltd.
Southport Promenade, as above.
Southport Lakeside Railway, Photochrome Co Ltd.

[wallasey]

More great images everyone!

[Sirob]

Some City Centre buildings;

Queen Building, Dale Street, February 1976
Phoenix Insurance, Dale Street, " "
The Albany, Hall Street, April 1977
Bereys Building, Bixteth Street, April 1977
Exchange Hotel frontage, " "