We've got plenty of beautiful pics, now what about those areas/ buildings/ structures etc that are currently in a state of abandonment, dilapidation and dereliction?

Shameful abandoned properties in lovely tree lined streets. This is Cairns street off Granby street.It's not just individual houses either but whole streets. Rows and Rows of houses that are closed down and have been for years.

There's going to be lots to choose from.
Some of these buildings will probably be demolished, so we might as well include buildings that have recently been demolished as well.

This is Langdons, not the Scandinavian Hotel which people seem to think it was.
It was built as a factory in about 1858, and remained a factory.
The 1887 date is when Langdons took over the building.
In the 1930s they built an extension at the back (on Duke Street), and it was there that the hotel was.

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You can start with my websites :PDT10

www.buildingatrisk.co.uk

www.sandfieldtower.co.uk

www.smithdownlane.com

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Lodge Lane:

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That's going to be demolished, Kev.
It used to be part of the Baths.


Brooks Alley.
This has been like this for possibly 50 years!

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London Rd:

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Kelvin Grove, Toxteth

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The trees and bushes have been allowed to grow, so it is difficult to see this library from the road.
Perhaps to hide the shame that it's not the only Liverpool library which is closed in Capital of Culture Year?

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There's going to be lots to choose from.
Some of these buildings will probably be demolished, so we might as well include buildings that have recently been demolished as well.

This is Langdons, not the Scandinavian Hotel which people seem to think it was.
It was built as a factory in about 1858, and remained a factory.
The 1887 date is when Langdons took over the building.
In the 1930s they built an extension at the back (on Duke Street), and it was there that the hotel was.

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Great info Phil, thanks :PDT11

The trees and bushes have been allowed to grow, so it is difficult to see this library from the road.
Perhaps to hide the shame that it's not the only Liverpool library which is closed in Capital of Culture Year?

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What a shame, this is a picture of the same building being worked on by my Grandad and his crew of carpenters in about 1903.
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What a shame, this is a picture of the same building being worked on by my Grandad and his crew of carpenters in about 1903.
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Terrible.What a shame all these fantastic buildings where left to rot.
Great pics all.
:PDT11

Peel pub, Whitefield Road.

St. Andrew's Scotch Church grounds, Rodney Street

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Beaufort Street Board School

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Eldon Grove circa 2003:

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One of the chapels at Allerton Cemetary:

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Concourse Hoos:

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There are many derelict buildings along St Mary's Rd. This delightful building is but one of them.

St Mary's Rd was once a busy thriving thoroughfare which boasted 14 butchers shops no less. These days it's a sad shadow of its former self. A classic example of urban decay caused by shifts in people's buying habits. In part the decline started with the building of the shopping parade in nearby Speke in the 1950s and the Speke people had no need to come to Garston to shop. This Speke shopping centre itself has now slipped into dereliction too.

The flyover must have added to the decay?

Garston Baths, gutted this went:

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The flyover must have added to the decay?

Yes I'm sure but this is likely to have been passing trade as opposed to regular business. Passing trade would have found it almost impossible to park in St Mary's rd prior to the bypass though.

Did u walk the bypass when it opened? we did, I got a certificate for my participation :PDT11

This was once a wonderful place. These photos taken in 2007. Not been back for a while. It may already all be gone.

A new Morrisons supermarket and a few associated shops have been now built but there is nowhere near the range of shops that were once trading in Speke.

Did u walk the bypass when it opened? we did, I got a certificate for my participation :PDT11

No never did that one.

Speke depresses me on Friday evening. I'm all for regeneration and the Morissons is great - providing you don't go of a Friday evening. The supermarket is full of mouthy kids, gangs, inside and out and adults who can't even shop in a large public place properly.

Driving through Speke is the same unfortunately. I know there are plenty of lovely people who live in Speke but the gangs :rolleyes:

Speke should be bulldozed and either:

1.The airport extended onto it

2. Built a stadium there.

There are many derelict buildings along St Mary's Rd. This delightful building is but one of them.

St Mary's Rd was once a busy thriving thoroughfare which boasted 14 butchers shops no less. These days it's a sad shadow of its former self. A classic example of urban decay caused by shifts in people's buying habits. In part the decline started with the building of the shopping parade in nearby Speke in the 1950s and the Speke people had no need to come to Garston to shop. This Speke shopping centre itself has now slipped into dereliction too.

Hello taffy

I know St. Mary's Road very well, having come down with my grandmother from Aigburth Hall Avenue, Mossley Hill, to claim her "divvies" from the Co-op circa 1963-1964 (she died in early 1965 about the same time as Sir Winston Churchill). It saddens me to see what Garston has become in the last fifty years. :)

Chris

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I think they`ve spelt the name wrong shouldn`t it be Bedlam.!!!

International Garden Festival: Residents think that keeping this in its present state is a good thing!?

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more pics: Here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/sets/72157594581826281/)

discussion thread: Here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2192&highlight=festival+gardens)

International Garden Festival: Residents think that keeping this in its present state is a good thing!?

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more pics: Here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/sets/72157594581826281/)

discussion thread: Here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2192&highlight=festival+gardens)

Hello Kev

Looks pretty crumby too me since it doesn't accord with the orginal look of the building. I think it should be restored to look the way it did originally.

Chris

Until recently there were plans [I thought they were a certainty] to fully restore the gardens as part of the regeneration of the site. Unfortunately residents near by took it upon themselves to object for some strange reason :rolleyes: Very selfish I thought.

Speke depresses me on Friday evening. I'm all for regeneration and the Morissons is great - providing you don't go of a Friday evening. The supermarket is full of mouthy kids, gangs, inside and out and adults who can't even shop in a large public place properly.

Driving through Speke is the same unfortunately. I know there are plenty of lovely people who live in Speke but the gangs :rolleyes:

Apparently in the 1950s, it was common for the "Teddy Boy" gangs from Speke to go to Garston for a punch up with the Garston Teddy Boys. Same was true for those from the Dingle who also used to come to Garston for a punch up with the Garston "Teddy Boys". Nothing's new it seems.

Yes Taffy, even in the 80's there were Speke Heads and Garston Heads. Garstonians would never venture into Speke and vice versa I assume. Graffiti would pop up on occasion, when a cheeky Speke 'ead would write '[name] from Speke was here' on a Garston building! Oh, shock horror! How very dare they!

:PDT10

Sandfield Tower, West Derby.

Had my weekly nose at 'my' building again today.

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I think they`ve spelt the name wrong shouldn`t it be Bedlam.!!!


Here's another shot of it in the early 80s - courtesy of Joe Devine.




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Kiln Hey - in the process of being gutted after many a fire since it was empty.

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Facade of 31 Cheapside. Anybody know what this was. It looks like a pub to me only it looks too small

What a delightful thread. I shall add a picture or two from my website.

60 Seel Street/30 Slater Street.

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Duke Street Terraces.

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Superb as usual AD :PDT11

Seel Street - 22nd February 2008.

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Facade of 31 Cheapside. Anybody know what this was. It looks like a pub to me only it looks too small

S McCain & Co., provision merchants in the 1936 directory.
Is that supposed to be the head of a bull - perhaps it was a butchers or a pub called the .... Head?

I'll check some older directories next time I'm in the library.
It's a wonderful survivor.

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Facade of 31 Cheapside. Anybody know what this was. It looks like a pub to me only it looks too small

1881 directory 31 Cheapside is listed as Woods Josiah - Wine & Spirit Vaults

Peet Street, Liverpool 7

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Princes Park, Ullet Road.

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Thansk for posting this, I've wondered what was happening when driving to work.

Thansk for posting this, I've wondered what was happening when driving to work.

Me too.
Was it a lodge does anyone know?

Can't remember the name of this street but its St Dunstans Church in the background
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^ That looks like Scholar Street, to me.

31, Cheapside, Johnson James victualler (Gores 1900 directory)
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp

Everton Road

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All is revealed in the 'Liverpool Mosaics' thread. :)

Flats around Sefton Park:

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That's as far as I went.

That's Belem Tower and Belem Close isn't it Kev?

That's Belem Tower and Belem Close isn't it Kev?

What is happening to those? Private company buying them out? If so, the sooner the better. They were always immaculate.

What is happening to those? Private company buying them out? If so, the sooner the better. They were always immaculate.

True, and built in 1958, an early example of a tower block.

Can't remember the name of this street but its St Dunstans Church in the background
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agree with Marky, it is Scholar St. My gt grandma remarried in St Dunstan's. The street she lived in back then , Corney St, has long been replaced by modern housing. where that green is at the end of the street there was a school, if my memory serves me .

when i went to liverpool for a visit last year, driving from the airport , i was staying at holiday inn lime st. i think it was london rd we passed , i was surprised that alot of buildings looked Derelict . and then i was on a tour of where ringo starr used to live .. and a lot of houses there were empty .. i was suprised becoz although old , if they were fixed up, they are prob still good houses,. i heard these were rough areas ... but how rough can somewhere be with no people around ? i thought it was a waste .... old houses are always built better than new one, i heard in the ringos house area , they were going to knock everthing down to build new houses ... thought it was a shame as part of what i liked about liverpool was all the old buildings etc ...

both Edge Hill
Plimsoll St
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Hawthorne Grove
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looks like a lot of the streets around Wavertree Rd/Durning Rd way are going to be demolished. Can't see them being renovated. Shame as quite often the houses they build as replacements are smaller.

True, and built in 1958, an early example of a tower block.

I wouldn't mind living in them if they were bought up and renovated. They are actually inside the park gates. A great location.

when i went to liverpool for a visit last year, driving from the airport , i was staying at holiday inn lime st. i think it was london rd we passed , i was surprised that alot of buildings looked Derelict . and then i was on a tour of where ringo starr used to live .. and a lot of houses there were empty .. i was suprised becoz although old , if they were fixed up, they are prob still good houses,. i heard these were rough areas ... but how rough can somewhere be with no people around ? i thought it was a waste .... old houses are always built better than new one, i heard in the ringos house area , they were going to knock everthing down to build new houses ... thought it was a shame as part of what i liked about liverpool was all the old buildings etc ...

Ringo lived in the Welsh Streets - have Welsh street names and built by the Welsh. Many of the houses are expensive to renovate - cheaper to demolish and built modern houses with high insulation levels.

Many are marked for demolition. In 40 years a whole Georgian/Victorian city has been demolished. Literally.

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looks like a lot of the streets around Wavertree Rd/Durning Rd way are going to be demolished. Can't see them being renovated. Shame as quite often the houses they build as replacements are smaller.

They look in excellent condition. They have been re-pointed.

They look in excellent condition. They have been re-pointed.

exactly. most of the neighbouring streets are either completely boarded up or half boarded up.
the grove is a pleasant little street, nice to see the original roadway too.

wonder if the houses are council or landlord owned.

These new houses might be the DIYers friend with all the plasterboard inner walls but even the breezeblock party walls seem so thin as you can hear your neighbours. Going by the insulation argument alone, the whole of the Canning area would be demolished then.

These new houses might be the DIYers friend with all the plasterboard inner walls but even the breezeblock party walls seem so thin as you can hear your neighbours. Going by the insulation argument alone, the whole of the Canning area would be demolished then.

The old terraces have several structural and damp problems which is not cheap to rectify. They shift a lot with having foundation about 300mm deep. People would rather live in new cheap to heat damp-less homes. That is not to say that some of these old terraces should be be preserved. They look good when all the same colour and same type of front door. But Liverpool being Liverpool there is always one Chav who paints his differently. An e.g., the Tower block Mill View had all white windows - on the top floor some nut painted his window frames "yellow" making the block look ridiculous.

What one of the people in the Welsh Streets, which had national media coverage regarding the demolition of some streets. Not even the local papers or radio gave him any time, as he has been blocked out. A political agenda at work, with the aspirations of the locals ignored - they wanted more streets demolished and they wanted nice new homes. He said on this forum.....

I have lived in the same Welsh Street for over 60 years and having worked as a volunteer street rep. for over 5 years on regeneration of the Princes Park area, I can tell you that the residents can't wait to move into new homes.We are fed up with all the hype about what lovely houses these are, put about by the so-called Welsh Street Homes Group, many of whose original, very few, supporters have now bought & moved into new properties on Clevedon Park, leaving only 3 residents objecting to the proposals, who all live in Kelvin Grove and DO NOT represent the Welsh Street residents

THE FACTS ARE : 11 streets are to be demolished from one side of Kelvin Grove to Admiral Street and new housing being built on the site for local residents, including local shops. The remaining Welsh Streets - Dovey,Teilo & Elwy, houses will be refurbished, together with the streets off Windsor Street down to Upper Warwick Street.

The Community will NOT be split up as suggested by WSHG opposition group,who have only lived in the area for about 6 years and only became involved about 18 months ago when Nina Edge became aware that her Kelvin Grove house was part of the demolition plan,who have never been involved with the community and are not known to the community, most of whom have lived here all their lives. Many residents had Improvement grants in the late 70's to have bathrooms built on & general improvements to their properties, however in spite of numerous damp proofing courses, these houses are in bad shape, now beyond saving and residents want something better & have been prepared to fight for that.

Originally three of the streets Treborth, Pengwern & South Streets were not included in the demolition proposals, but residents of those streets fought to be included in the demolition plans and over 200 Welsh Street residents lobbyed the Town Hall meeting of the Executive Board demanding that these 3 streets be included in proposals and won their case. One of the main problems in all this has been the credence & publicity given to the opposition, whilst failing to give a truly balanced view on TV & in newspapers to the views, needs & aspirations of the wider community. However as conflict sells news, I shouldn't be surprised we have not be given fair & unbiased media time. Even the Liverpool Echo are failing to publish any of our correspondence, whilst constantly publishing that of the anti-demolition groups, even now. Despite all the hype we are now looking forward to brighter future for the Princes Park Area and it's residents in better homes & surroundings.

Where damp and subsidence is an issue, that of course is a different matter, however yet another t.v. documentary this week noted that the problem regarding our heritage being lost is more to do with the government slapping vat on renovation of old property whereas it doesn't with new build, therefore rendering it cheaper for redevelopers to demolish and start again. There were no such problems with that classic Edge Lane property to my knowledge as I knew 2 people who lived on different sections of that road and there, it's a case of the car being more important than the communities and the heritage.

Where damp and subsidence is an issue, that of course is a different matter, however yet another t.v. documentary this week noted that the problem regarding our heritage being lost is more to do with the government slapping vat on renovation of old property whereas it doesn't with new build, therefore rendering it cheaper for redevelopers to demolish and start again. There were no such problems with that classic Edge Lane property to my knowledge as I knew 2 people who lived on different sections of that road and there, it's a case of the car being more important than the communities and the heritage.

Ged, the UK has the oldest and most energy inefficient housing stock in the western world. It also accounts for much of the CO2 output in heating the stuff. Renovating can only go so far. Many poorer people will be left in fuel poverty - energy costs are increasing.

If you like the style of the terraced homes then they can be replicated, as I have seen successfully done elsewhere. Why aren't the Georgian homes being extended up from around Canning St, looking exactly the same with modern insulation levels? New Georgian homes like those in Canning St would sell like hot cakes. It is highly desirable to replace an old house which is past its sell by date and replacing it with one which looks similar to maintain the character of an area. Many old properties are best just being bulldozed.

Ged, read this..
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/LandArticle.html

and then these in order....
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/143.pdf
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/141.pdf
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/images/libimages/137.pdf

I do agree that the new ones should be built in a sympathetic style, however, whilst private developments and a quick buck to be made might be, council ones certainly won't be.

I do agree that the new ones should be built in a sympathetic style, however, whilst private developments and a quick buck to be made might be, council ones certainly won't be.

The government tries to encourage new properties to give superior homes in energy usage, living space, etc, etc. As I have pointed out the UK has the oldest, least insulated and pokiest homes in the western world. New homes have to take priority. It is how it is implemented that is the question. Keeping outdated poor housing stock is not the answer.

Sorting out the land and planning system is the first step. Until that is sorted we will always bee in a permanent housing crisis.

So the new boxes are bigger than the Edge Lane ones, Don't think so. Not all of these people even want parking facilities or a garden to maintain and is why they buy them in the first place.

So the new boxes are bigger than the Edge Lane ones, Don't think so. Not all of these people even want parking facilities or a garden to maintain and is why they buy them in the first place.

They are generally bigger than 2 up 2 down terraces that is for sure. See the letter from the Welsh Streets resident. People wanted new homes and petitioned to get their so-called ideal terraced homes demolished. No one wants a house with a back alley anymore. Time moves on.

Saying that, modern homes are still tiny to homes elsewhere. See that link to "Unaffordable Housing" I gave. However that is a broader issue of planing and land usage & ownership.

One myth that can be put to bed straight away is that of "rising damp". For a better explanation than I can give see:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2003/05/20/pjeff21.xml

and

http://www.dampbuster.com/

One myth that can be put to bed straight away is that of "rising damp". For a better explanation than I can give see:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/main.jhtml?xml=/property/2003/05/20/pjeff21.xml

and

http://www.dampbuster.com/

Jeff Howell of the Torygraph is a known true idiot. The reason they put in a damproof course is so damp will not rise.

the olnly rising damp I like is the one with Len Rossiter in it:ninja:

Jeff Howell of the Torygraph is a known true idiot. The reason they put in a damproof course is so damp will not rise.

Attacking the man does not counter his arguments.

The Building Research Station tried to investigate this theory of rising dampness, and constructed a brick built edifice in the wettest part of their site, and waited for moisture to rise up the walls. It never did. Most of what is called "rising damp" is actually condensation due to poor ventilations. The "damp meters" beloved of surveyors are designed for measure moisture levels in timber, and are totally unsuitable for measure moisture in masonry. The only way to find out if masonry is damp is to take a sample, weigh it, dry it in a kiln, and weight it again.

Old houses were built on a row of bricks on the ground in many areas of Liverpool, and stood (and are still standing) for over a hundred years. When they were built Britain was the heart of an empire which had at its beck and call the resources of the world. A "jerry built" house in Victorian times would be a palace these days. My house has floor joists over thirty feet long made of solid oak and with no knots in them. Rafters similarly were selected without shakes or waney edges, they could afford to pick and choose, even for artisan's dwellings. They also used lime plaster and mortar which has the property of autogenous healing, and if cracks appeared they filled them, and used anaglypta wallpaper to allow for movement. These days you get a hairline crack and people are moaning about subsidence.

These falling down houses are at the junction of Fountains Road and Wulstan St, off Stanley Road Kirkdale.

I went to see a house in Withorn Street a few years ago. I became interested because the rent was very cheap for a private landlord, I didn't know much about the Spoffoth Rd area. As I drove down Lawrence Road and saw each terraced street off it, I noticed the further I went the more houses were derelict. I felt really sad to see this.

When we arrived there, the houses were all well kept in the street but many were derelict around it; as my dad remarked "Even the Spoffoth pub is closed!" There did not seem to be many amenities in the immediate vicinity and loads of kids hanging about. It felt like the whole area was being forgotten and just left to rot.

I didn't take the house and I haven't visited the area since, what is happening to these houses?

Attacking the man does not counter his arguments.

The Building Research Station tried to investigate this theory of rising dampness, and constructed a brick built edifice in the wettest part of their site, and waited for moisture to rise up the walls. It never did. Most of what is called "rising damp" is actually condensation due to poor ventilations.


There is such a thing as rising damp. Howell said there is no such thing. There is confusion with using poor ventilation causing water vapour to condense in the building fabric.


A "jerry built" house in Victorian times would be a palace these days. My house has floor joists over thirty feet long made of solid oak and with no knots in them. Rafters similarly were selected without shakes or waney edges, they could afford to pick and choose, even for artisan's dwellings. They also used lime plaster and mortar which has the property of autogenous healing, and if cracks appeared they filled them, and used anaglypta wallpaper to allow for movement. These days you get a hairline crack and people are moaning about subsidence.

Victorian houses were a shambles. Only the best survive giving a slanted view of the era.

"Jerry built" came from Liverpool builders Jerry Bros. They built nice looking facades and cheap back ends. The term came to mean shoddy workmanship.

Waterways, it's amazing how those old houses withstood wartime bombings - do you think todays new builds would stand up to the same trauma ?

just wondering :)

Waterways, it's amazing how those old houses withstood wartime bombings - do you think todays new builds would stand up to the same trauma ?

just wondering :)

Those hit or near misses collapsed. The footings are very shallow. As I said most were poorly built and only the best survive giving a slanted view.

I saw this today and it is so utterly unbelievable how such amazing architecture can be destroyed.

Elm Terrace, Beech Street, L7

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/ElmTerraceBeechst090320084791.jpg

I had a friend who lived in Elm Terrace, visited a few times between 1995-1997. It is such a shame to see it like this as I always thought it was quite a nice building.

Princes Park, Ullet Road.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/24022008392.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/24022008391.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/24022008393.jpg

Bloody hell. I photographed a pal's wedding reception in the garden here about 20 years ago. It was lived in and in good nick then, a charming little house. what the hell happened?

Bloody hell. I photographed a pal's wedding reception in the garden here about 20 years ago. It was lived in and in good nick then, a charming little house. what the hell happened?

wow!
Do you have the picture in question?

this is tucked away in Birchfield Rd, Walton Village

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1885.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1886.jpg

Church Rd, Walton . this one is an old employment /council office?, reminds me of the one in Green Lane.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1882.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1883.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1882.jpg


Demolish the flat roof extension and this will make an excellent house with a big back garden.

I saw this today and it is so utterly unbelievable how such amazing architecture can be destroyed.

Elm Terrace, Beech Street, L7

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/ElmTerraceBeechst090320084791.jpg

I know its so sad when we have all these wonderful buildings rotting away and they're throwing up "trendy" glass buildings by the dozen.
Sad:PDT_Xtremez_42:

I know its so sad when we have all these wonderful buildings rotting away and they're throwing up "trendy" glass buildings by the dozen.
Sad:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Nothing wrong with modern advanced glass buildings. We need many, many more of them. They are superb, especially when done well. We can have both. The Liver Buildings was a trendy building at one time. So, was Oriel Chambers, which was ridiculed too - yet was the world's first steel framed glass curtain walled buildings.

Liverpool pioneered the modern building, not Chicago, not NY - and we should encourage advanced engineering designs and architecture.

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Tempest Hey/Ryleys Gardens
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1968.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1969.jpg

http://www.bwpics.co.uk/yoliverpool/churchwreck.jpg

Corner of Catharine Street and Canning Street

http://www.bwpics.co.uk/yoliverpool/dukest1.jpg

A couple of Duke Street

http://www.bwpics.co.uk/yoliverpool/dukest2.jpg

http://www.bwpics.co.uk/yoliverpool/princesgate.jpg

The Princes Gate Hotel

http://www.bwpics.co.uk/yoliverpool/conclub.jpg

The Princes Park Conservative Club, Devonshire Road

wow!
Do you have the picture in question?

I dug out the negatives to check but sadly none show the much of the house- I took most of the pictures with the guests standing in the garden, facing the other way..

I dug out the negatives to check but sadly none show the much of the house- I took most of the pictures with the guests standing in the garden, facing the other way..

Thank you for looking!
Absolutely brilliant pictures, I love them because I know where they all are.

Do you have any of Windsor Street area in the 80's?

Upper Stanhope St
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2230.jpg

Park Rd, L8
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2259.jpg

Park St chapel
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2262.jpg

Beaufort St L8
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2266.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2267.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2270.jpg

Surely this superb Victorian building off Lark Lane does not deserve to rot.

One of my mates used to live on Ivanhoe Rd in a flat and it was really top quality! The entrance chamber alone you'd have paid to live in!

Park St chapel
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2262.jpg


This was the co-op at one time. A nice big old fashioned shop with stainless steel tills.

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