Lost Mansions of Liverpool

[Kev]

******[Merseyside Halls, Estates and Dwellings that are still standing and in use can be found here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2118&highlight=halls).]********

Images of Liverpool's Lost Mansions, courtesy of LRO:

1- Childwall Hall. South east view of Childwall Hall with figures. In 1847, it was 'a seat of the Most Noble, The Marquis of Salisbury'.

2- Colderstones/ Calderstones. North East view - in 1847 it was the 'seat of Joseph Need Walker, Esq.'

3- Dovecot House was situated at Prescot Road/Pilch Lane. In 1847, it was the 'seat of Mrs Dugdale'.

4- Elmswood was in Briarwood Road, Mossley and 1847 was the 'Thomas Sands, Esq.'

5- Highfield House was the 'seat of Thomas Littledale, Esq.' in 1847.

6- Norris Green Mansion. Shows house and grounds with people and a carriage. The house was built in 1830.

7- Otterspool view of the house with figures.

8- Wavertree Hall (on the site of Wavertree Park). Wavertree Hall was the 'seat of Charles Lawrence, Esq.' in 1829.

9- West Dingle. West Dingle was the 'seat of Joseph Brooks Yates, Esq., F.A.S.' in 1847.

[ChrisGeorge]

2- Colderstones/ Calderstones. North East view - in 1847 it was the 'seat of Joseph Need Walker, Esq.'



Thanks for this, Kev. I knew that Joseph N. Walker was the man who enclosed in the ancient Calderstones in a circle in a circular enclosure in 1845 but I had not for some reason associated him with Calderstones House.

I found this on-line:

"ALLERTON, a township, in the parish of Childwall, union and hundred of West Derby, S. division of the county of Lancaster, 5¼ miles (S. E.) from Liverpool; containing in 1846 about 800 inhabitants. At the time of the Domesday survey, three thanes held "Alretune;" which was in the possession of Geoffrey de Chetham in the reign of Henry III., and of the Lathoms in that of Henry VIII. It was sold in 1670 to the Percivals, who in 1732 sold it to the Hardmans; and from them it was purchased by Messrs. Clegg and Roscoe. The township comprises 1531 acres, and consists partly of a luxuriant vale, and partly of gentlyrising hills, which command fine views of the river Mersey at its widest part, with portions of Cheshire and North Wales. The air is salubrious, and the scenery adorned with wood; the soil is of various quality, in some parts sandy, and in others a stiff clay. Allerton Hall was until 1816 the residence of William Roscoe, the elegant historian of Leo X., and is now the seat of Pattison Ellames, Esq.: the apartments contain numerous valuable paintings, and a beautiful marble statue of Sappho, by John Gibson, of Rome. Wyncote is the residence of Joseph Shipley, Esq.; and Allerton Priory, of Theodore Woolman Rathbone, Esq. Here is a large Druidical monument called Calder Stones, in digging round which, more than sixty years ago, urns of coarse clay were found, containing human bones: the stones were surrounded with a neat iron palisade in 1845; and not far distant is the residence of Joseph N. Walker, Esq., named, after them, Calderstones. There is a quarry of red sandstone. The tithes have been commuted for £228 payable to the lessee of the Bishop of Chester, and £43 payable to the vicar of the parish. A church was erected in 1848, at a cost of £5000, by James Holme, Esq.; it is in the early English style, with a tower and spire, and, standing on rising ground, is a picturesque and commanding object. The living is a perpetual curacy, in the gift of Mr. Holme.

From: 'Allerthorpe - Allonby', A Topographical Dictionary of England (1848), pp. 37-39. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=50751.

[Kev]

Some more:

[ChrisGeorge]

Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens (http://www.pub-explorer.com/merseyside/pub/allertonhallallerton.htm) known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

All the best

Chris

[taffy]

Kev, thanks so much for posting these images. Would these buildings have survived.

[Kev]

I was wondering the same thing whilst driving through Springwood yesterday. I can only assume that if the buildings had survived then they areas would feel similar to Springwood due to the buildings that still stand there today, if you get what I mean....

Kev

[taffy]

I was wondering the same thing whilst driving through Springwood yesterday. I can only assume that if the buildings had survived then they areas would feel similar to Springwood due to the buildings that still stand there today, if you get what I mean....

Kev

Yes exactly. Most of the Liverpool old mansions fell prey to the demolition instincts of both the speculative builder and Liverpool City Council housing department.

[PhilipG]

Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens (http://www.pub-explorer.com/merseyside/pub/allertonhallallerton.htm) known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

All the best

Chris

Yes, it is.
If you hover your mouse over the thumbnails, the descriptions come up.

Excellent, Kev.
Thanks also for the maps.

[Waterways]

Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens (http://www.pub-explorer.com/merseyside/pub/allertonhallallerton.htm) known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

All the best

Chris

Allerton Hall was where the top naval men of the US Confederacy would meet to plan their naval strategy against the north.

[ChrisGeorge]

Thanks, Kev. The first one looks like another view of Childwall Hall. The last one is surely Allerton Hall in Clark's Gardens (http://www.pub-explorer.com/merseyside/pub/allertonhallallerton.htm) known today for the "Pub in the Park" (must go there next time I am in Liverpool), once the seat of William Roscoe.

All the best

Chris



Allerton Hall was where the top naval men of the US Confederacy would meet to plan their naval strategy against the north.


Thanks for that information, Waterways.

Chris

[ChrisGeorge]

Yes, it is.
If you hover your mouse over the thumbnails, the descriptions come up.

Excellent, Kev.
Thanks also for the maps.

So they do! Thanks, Philip. I especially like the one of Otterspool with the view of the Mersey in the distance. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Chris

[PhilipG]

So they do! Thanks, Philip. I especially like the one of Otterspool with the view of the Mersey in the distance. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Chris


Very similar to the Dingle Estate, which was so picturesque the Yates' sisters allowed the public in two days a week in the 1830s and 1840s, before there were any parks.
They were called the Dingle Days.
In fact, it was their brother, Richard Vaughan Yates, who financed Prince's Park.

[Cadfael]

There has been some digging at Lime Productions in Childwall on the site of Childwall hall. A lovely glazed brick has been found during the clearing of some spoil, so there may be a little feature on it either on my website (www.childwall.info) or by way in the press. Lovely item sitting on my mate's table!

[shoney]

my wifes name is stanley, she comes from huyton, dad eric, nan clara, grandad albert, obviously not from "the" stanleys as we aint go two ha'pennys to rub together however as i grew up i knew not hundreds but many other stanleys, why was there a wide spread of stanleys around this district

[Kev]

If anyone can take images/ pics of what is on these sites now, that would be great!

[Cadfael]

If anyone can take images/ pics of what is on these sites now, that would be great!

You'll have to make do with:

http://www.childwall.info/#/childwallhall/4515889908

I've got lots of pictures of Lime Productions and the Hollyoaks set but I'm still under copyright not to ever show them.

[Kev]

excellent cheers :PDT11

[Cadfael]

A tad of info on Otterspool - only the steps are left now:

http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/local/otterspool/otters.htm

[Kev]

A tad of info on Otterspool - only the steps are left now:

http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/mrlhp/local/otterspool/otters.htm (http://www.btinternet.com/%7Em.royden/mrlhp/local/otterspool/otters.htm)

Are they the steps that are very close to the bridge and run up to the right?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/61/157251135_3d0fefa06a.jpg (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/61/157251135_3d0fefa06a.jpg)

[ChrisGeorge]

You'll have to make do with:

http://www.childwall.info/#/childwallhall/4515889908

I've got lots of pictures of Lime Productions and the Hollyoaks set but I'm still under copyright not to ever show them.

Hi Cadfael

What exactly are Lime Productions? What do they do? Is Hollyoaks a British TV series or something?

Chris

[taffy]

Allerton Hall was where the top naval men of the US Confederacy would meet to plan their naval strategy against the north.

For more info see the "When Liverpool was Dixie" web site. I think it was the American Charles Prioleau who lived in Allerton Hall. He also built 19 Abercromby Sq where the state tree, the cabbage palmetto tree, of South Carolina still adorns the interior of the building

http://www.csa-dixie.com/liverpool_dixie/index.htm

[Kev]

I almost forgot these lost mansions:

Allerton - Once home to the Fletcher family covering 140 years. The first house on the site was built in the early 1800s which was destroyed by fire. The second house was built in 1815.

http://static.flickr.com/96/251213217_98cf4fb549.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251213217/)

http://static.flickr.com/80/251212907_4b4c3fe606.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251212907/)

http://static.flickr.com/79/251212989_47989bcb60.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251212989/)

http://static.flickr.com/94/251212812_60ca7af474.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251212812/)

http://static.flickr.com/93/251213637_d0a36e8bfe.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251213637/)

November 1944 was gutted by fire again. The shell remains which shows fragments of its classical design. The obelisk at the side of the house had nothing to do with it, it was erected before 'Allerton' was built by occupants of Allerton Hall near by.

http://static.flickr.com/101/251213112_5744bf20f5.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251213112/)

http://static.flickr.com/86/251213324_b61dae3853.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251213324/)

Five miles from Liverpool Town Hall, the four sides match up with the compass points. It is riddled with holes, possible from rifle shots.

http://static.flickr.com/110/251213537_07654ac215.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/251213537/)

Allerton Tower - The once beautiful Italianate residence off Woolton Rd. Designed in 1847 by Harvey Lonsdale Elmes the Architect

of St. Georges Hall, for Sir Hardman Earle, of the Earle Family, was director of the Liverpool to Manchester Railway and a witness to

Huskisson's fatal accident (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246&highlight=Huskisson) on its opening day.

Built in 78

acres of grounds, once part of the Manor of Allerton. The main house was unfortunately demolished 1937 and all that remains is what you can see below with

out houses at the

rear:

http://static.flickr.com/114/270050463_f79f7f2304.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270050463/)

http://static.flickr.com/84/270050582_dac391ebd5.jpg (http://www.flick%3cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0Ar.com/photos/ijob/270050582/)

http://static.flickr.com/83/270050719_1014373f50.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270050719/)

http://static.flickr.com/95/270050814_91657de6b8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270050814/)

http://static.flickr.com/90/270050956_576f3fff77.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270050956/)

http://static.flickr.com/83/270051059_5427700028.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270051059/)

http://static.flickr.com/96/270052797_f316ab6eb3.jpg (http://www.flickr.c%3cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0Aom/photos/ijob/270052797/)

http://static.flickr.com/114/270051930_20f153dd66.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270051930/)

Allerton Tower Out Houses - Walking around the outside, through the grounds I found this weird and wonderful archway leading

through a short tunnel into a very small enclosed area surrounded by a wall and landscaping. I havn't a clue what is was used for but

fascinating:

http://static.flickr.com/98/270048941_04acd82d1b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270048941/)

http://static.flickr.com/81/270049076_1dd2b0f80a.jpg (http://www%3cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270049076/)

http://static.flickr.com/83/270049139_f7572c44b0.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/27004913%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A9/)

http://static.flickr.com/81/270049259_23ff74d59e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270049259/)

Onto the

buildings.....

http://static.flickr.com/109/270049646_11f88621d8.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270049646/)

http://static.flickr.com/104/270050221_0c6fb2aaf5.jpg (http://%3cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0Awww.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270050221/)

http://static.flickr.com/91/270050060_900041f6e3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/2700%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A50060/)

http://static.flickr.com/79/270052318_28888c22e7.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270052318/)

http://static.flickr.com/98/270052435_dece44b4d2.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270052435/)

http://static.flickr.com/98/270052676_8ec12c97d3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270052676/)

http://static.flickr.com/111/270051772_a2320931d6.jpg (http://ww%3cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0Aw.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270051772/)

http://static.flickr.com/102/270052556_24f0de09b3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/270052%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A556/)

[julieoapw]

Awesome pics Kev

[Kev]

Cheers :PDT11

[Cadfael]

On the subject of lost mansions:

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=conMediaFile.23577

Lea Hall

[Kev]

On the subject of lost mansions:

http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=conMediaFile.23577

Lea Hall

are the last two not mansions?

[ChrisGeorge]

Fine pics, Kev! :handclap:

Chris

[Kev]

RE: Otterspool. This place is really interesting. So from what I can gather, the entrance to Otterspool (Aigburth Vale) was once where a brook once ran, downwards where now you can walk, under the bridge;

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/61/157251135_3d0fefa06a.jpg (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/61/157251135_3d0fefa06a.jpg)
posted above and would flow out into the Mersey, via a 'flat' visable to the right of this pic:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/239/455330941_6ab9c3bee9.jpg (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/239/455330941_6ab9c3bee9.jpg)

The home Otterspool I can only assume was located somewhere to the left of this pic?

[Kev]

OK, so Mike Roydons page states that the house was located where this kiosk is now:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1404/1096397809_9ec9cde8ef.jpg (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1404/1096397809_9ec9cde8ef.jpg)

[PhilipG]

OK, so [B]Mike Roydons page states that the house was located where this kiosk is now

Is that what he says?
Wasn't the house the exact spot where the circular cafe is?

[Kev]

Hold on. let me re-read:PDT_Xtremez_42:

[Kev]

Is that what he says?
Wasn't the house the exact spot where the circular cafe is?

I can't find what I read originally. Sorry Phil. So my original thought was correct then, it was located to the left NOT the right?

[Cadfael]

Before you get to the bridge in the park, - you went to St mag's Kev?

Walk to the Pavillion next to the church, follow the line straight by the wall and enter the park that way - now you've got a large hill facing you once you get on the path - ignore it and turn left - go past the pond (where I once fell in) and you'll find a very steep wall on the right hand side - at the top of this is the drain tunnel that is still there to this day. :PDT11

[marky]

Re:Otterspool
Have a look around the circular building (where the Why Don't You... TV series filmed in the 1970s). There are some old steps and paving slabs still around.
The field to the right flooded a few years back when the river re-emerged.

[Kev]

Before you get to the bridge in the park, - you went to St mag's Kev?

Walk to the Pavillion next to the church, follow the line straight by the wall and enter the park that way - now you've got a large hill facing you once you get on the path - ignore it and turn left - go past the pond (where I once fell in) and you'll find a very steep wall on the right hand side - at the top of this is the drain tunnel that is still there to this day. :PDT11

I used to run through it as a kid :PDT11


Re:Otterspool
Have a look around the circular building (where the Why Don't You... TV series filmed in the 1970s). There are some old steps and paving slabs still around.
The field to the right flooded a few years back when the river re-emerged.

I had an audition for The Liverpool Gang when I was about 15, it went terribly! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

There are steps and a walkway that snakes downwards as seen in this pic.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/60/157251130_3ba15a3fc0.jpg (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/60/157251130_3ba15a3fc0.jpg)

[PhilipG]

Otterspool Gardens were opened to the public in 1915. There was a charge of 3d (1.25p). This was before Otterspool Promenade was created, and Otterspool Station was in the middle of the estate.
Cross's Menagerie was in the grounds by 1921, and this zoo closed some time after 1927.
Liverpool Corporation bought the estate in 1925 and the house was demolished in 1931.
A river walk was completed in 1932 and the adjoining land was a controlled Corporation rubbish tip.
It was intended from the beginning to be a promenade and park, and was designed by John Brodie, opening in 1950.
The station closed in 1951. I could never understand how a park could open one year and its station close the next! Perhaps the station was only provided for the Moss family, who had the estate from 1811 until the 1890s.

Extract from 1908 OS map (Alan Godfrey reprint).

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2056/2260394486_bfd01bc169_o.jpg

[chippie]

Kev they are cracker photos you,ve posted on Allerton and Otterspool.

I walked through Allerton last year and the year before with some of my rellies and had a great mooch around there.

Also Otterspool was great to revisit last year too. I remember going for a visit there in the early 60s and having a smashin, adventure day out and an ice cream from the cafe there.:handclap:

[robbo176]

the Wall from St Domingo house

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/S7000023.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/S7000024.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/stdomingohouse2.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/A002418.jpg

[taffy]

Courtesy Liverpool Record Office. The old hunting lodge in Holmfield Rd, Aigburth was associated with this mansion

[PhilipG]

Courtesy Liverpool Record Office. The old hunting lodge in Holmfield Rd, Aigburth was associated with this mansion

Oaklands was probably built for the Harrison family (in the 1830s?) and 27 Holmefield Road was certainly next door, but was at least 50 years older.
In fact it was almost certainly the oldest house in the area around Holmefield Road.
There is no evidence that the smaller house was a hunting lodge even though Mrs Roberts who lived there from the 1970s called it Holmfield Lodge.
The early history of Holmfield Lodge may never be known.
The oak tree belonging to the house is said to be ancient.
The heads of animals were put on by a Victorian artist.
Mrs Roberts said Nicholas Monserrat lived there at some stage.
His family had a house nearby.
Oaklands was the home of Sir Alfred Jones, who died there.
He bought it off somebody who had committed suicide by slashing his wrists.

[taffy]

[QUOTE=PhilipG;114567]Oaklands was probably built for the Harrison family (in the 1830s?) and 27 Holmefield Road was certainly next door, but was at least 50 years older.
In fact it was almost certainly the oldest house in the area around Holmefield Road.
QUOTE]

Yes I know about the Harrison family. They orginated from Seacombe. They are buried in St Michael's in the Hamlet churchyard. The lodge bears the Harrison coat of arms I believe. The hunting lodge was occupied by their gamekeeper I believe. The Harrison family owned the hunting and fishing rights along the Garston shore of the River Mersey. They occupied Oaklands from around 1810 to 1840.

[taffy]

Broadgreen Hall was sited at the junction of Rocky Lane and Bowring Park Rd. All that remains today is the boundary wall and a few large trees. The building was acquired by the Brandreth family in the mid 19th C who remodelled it to the view shown in the photo. The original building dates from around 1780 or so. A Miss Mary Brandreth was the last occupier of that name. She died in 1901 and is buried in All Saints Childwall churchyard. The building was demolished in the early 1950s.

Photo from the Waite collection , Liverpool Record Office

[taffy]

Demolished in the 1850s. On site where the Garston Empire now stands. Image courtesy Garston & District Historical Society

[taffy]

Once sited where Walton Hall Park is now. Purchased early 19th C by Liverpool's first millionaire, Thomas Leyland, the slave trader and banker. Inherited by his nephew John Naylor who also lived at his country seat at Leighton near Welshpool, Montgomeryshire. The classic example of 19th C noveau riche.

[John(Zappa)]

Why was this demolished? When was it demolished?
What a fantastic building!!

[Kev]

Excellent Taffy cheers :handclap:

[taffy]

Why was this demolished? When was it demolished?
What a fantastic building!!

The building was I understand demolished in the early 20th C. It seems it was in a poor state of repair and like many other mansions, the wealthy had moved out with the encroachment of the masses. It dated from the early 18th C I believe.

[John(Zappa)]

The building was I understand demolished in the early 20th C. It seems it was in a poor state of repair and like many other mansions, the wealthy had moved out with the encroachment of the masses. It dated from the early 18th C I believe.

Nice one Taffy:PDT11

[merseywail]

Some great views here:handclap:

[knowhowe]

Hollyoaks- a 'youth orientated' soap. My kids love it but can't stand it myself. Supposed to be set in Chester but I don't recognise any of the locations used.

An evocative description of how life would have been in the grand Liverpool mansions may be found in Barry Unsworth's wonderful slavery novel- and Booker Prize winner- 'Sacred Hunger'. Highly recommended if you haven't yet read it.

[lindylou]

I'd love to know where Anfield Priory was. I've never been able to find anything on the internet about it.
I can only assume it would have been along by the cemetery and Priory rd was named after it.

This picture is from the Chambre Hardman collection.

[Ged]

I'll dig out my old maps at home unless someone beats me to it today.

[PhilipG]

I'd love to know where Anfield Priory was. I've never been able to find anything on the inter-net about it.
I can only assume it would have been along by the cemetery and Priory rd was named after it.

This picture is from the Chambre Hardman collection.

The photo wasn't taken by him becaues it's too early.
(Unless he had a collection of old photographs).
Does it actually say Anfield Priory?

Priory Road takes its name from a house called Walton Priory, the site of which is now part of the cemetery.

[lindylou]

I was being presumptuous there ! I may be mistaken by presuming it's a Hardman photo, but this site has a lot of Hardman images.
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=conMediaFile.19932

[PhilipG]

I was being presumptuous there ! I may be mistaken by presuming it's a Hardman photo, but this site has a lot of Hardman images.
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=conMediaFile.19932

That information comes from Liverpool Libraries.
Even libraries can make mistakes.

On the other hand Walton Priory could have been known by another name, but I try not to make assumptions, because they could be misread or taken for facts.
Try doing a Google for Walton Priory.

[skgogosfan]

Excellent Allerton pix Kev!

Dave.

[wallasey]

What happened to Thingwall Hall??? Was this lost after the past few attempts to restore it?

[Cadfael]

What happened to Thingwall Hall??? Was this lost after the past few attempts to restore it?

Burnt down in mysterious circumstances....like any other fine building attached to a plot of land that houses can be built on....:rolleyes:

[fortinian]

Oooh? A real local mystery, what other houses have been mysteriously burnt down?

I smell something BBQ Fishy!

[Cadfael]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/07/07/fire-wrecks-listed-house-100252-21275005/

Yet another mysterious fire. I wonder if this land is suitiable for houses like Thingwall House and Sandown Hall? :rolleyes:

[PhilipG]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2008/07/07/fire-wrecks-listed-house-100252-21275005/

Yet another mysterious fire. I wonder if this land is suitiable for houses like Thingwall House and Sandown Hall? :rolleyes:

There's a good photo of Liscard Hall in this thread:

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9858

[Davec]

Can anyone tell me if they know the number of the house pictured in 'screen 11' of this link?

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/story/slide.aspx?storyUid=86&slideNo=1

[PhilipG]

Can anyone tell me if they know the number of the house pictured in 'screen 11' of this link?

http://viewfinder.english-heritage.org.uk/story/slide.aspx?storyUid=86&slideNo=1

Orleans House was 7 Aigburth Drive.
Halfway between Belem Tower and Lark Lane.
(The numbers run consecutively, with Belem Tower being #1).
Most of those mansions are still standing, so it might still be there.

[Davec]

Thanks for that info Phil. So it should be somewhere around the Alicia Hotel.

[PhilipG]

Thanks for that info Phil. So it should be somewhere around the Alicia Hotel.

Further on.
Count Belem Tower flats as #1 and you want the 7th plot as you walk towards Lark Lane.
When the rain stops I'll wander round there myself.

[taffy]

I think this property has been demolished

[Davec]

Thanks Phil and Taff.

Demolished !! That would be about right.
What perplexed me about that pic was the apparent length of the front lawn, didn't half seem long to me - unless it was one of those optical illusions you can get in photographs sometimes.

[taffy]

Now no longer. See Hale web site

http://www.halevillageonline.co.uk

[PhilipG]

Orleans House has been demolished and this is now on the site.
(An old people's home, I think).
The site goes back to Linnet Lane, and was the biggest on that stretch of road.
Numbers 1 to 6 and 8 survive
3 is the Alicia Hotel, originally called Broadmead.

Sorry this photo is bad, but the sun was against me.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3023/2658462337_1c874b105b_o.jpg

[Kev]

Thanks Phil, I wonder everyday as I pass this building what it replaced as its SO out of place!

:PDT11

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3074/2658460496_75efb50dc2_o.jpg
32-34 Wellington Road New Brighton proving you don`t have to demolish a good old building to spoil it, just add modern bricks to it as on the right of this building.
Notice the cluster of 12 chimneys and the bracing to make sure they stay there. This is split into flats now.
Anybody know what it used to be?

[PhilipG]

[QUOTE=gregs dad;139757
32-34 Wellington Road New Brighton proving you don`t have to demolish a good old building to spoil it, just add modern bricks to it as on the right of this building.
Notice the cluster of 12 chimneys and the bracing to make sure they stay there. This is split into flats now.
Anybody know what it used to be?[/QUOTE]

These pages have been scanned from "Sandstone and Mortar - More of Old Wallasey" by Noel E Smith (1992).

[Kev]

Larkhill Mansion 1961, Muirhead Avenue/ Queens Drive: LRO

[Ged]

Is that still there, don't recall ever seeing it, if not - why not and what's there now - bladdy hell, nearly more questions than hobblebobble there :ninja:

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3099/3194042853_9ce8b93931_o.jpg
This is Hollybank in St Michaels Road, built and lived in by John Cragg,the owner of the Mersey Iron Foundry.in the early 19th century. the windows and doorframes were made of cast iron.There has been some alterations,by
the second window you can see the archway which led to the stables.
Mr Cragg was a friend of Thomas Rickman the architect of the two "cast iron" churches,St Georges in Everton and St Michaels,hence the exstensive use of cast iron in the building of them.

[Ged]

Great pic and info Joe.

[Paddy]

Most of the homes I grew up in were old mansions.:PDT10

[Pinhani]

Just to correct, Thingwall Hall is still standing, Thingwall House burnt down (opposite Doddy's)

[Pinhani]

14270

I assume it was Thingwall Hall, Knotty Ash the original query was referring to, not Thingwall Hall in the Wirral which was demolished in 1960.

[lindac8941]

14270

I assume it was Thingwall Hall, Knotty Ash the original query was referring to, not Thingwall Hall in the Wirral which was demolished in 1960.

You have the wrong Thingwall Hall Pinhani, the pic above is still standing, it is my head office. You are talking about Thingwall House that was burnt down in a fire a few years ago. I have put on a pic of Ken Dodd, with the house in the background, who tiredessly tried to get Thingwall saved, but alas it was arsonists who set it on fire.

[lindac8941]

Halsnead Hall Whiston.

[Pinhani]

Just to correct, Thingwall Hall is still standing, Thingwall House burnt down (opposite Doddy's)
As I said in my post immediately before the one with the photo, I know I can see it from my window.
As the original poster was from the Wirral I was just trying to make clear which Thingwall hall had been demolished.

[nutter2b]

Hi guys. Was Aigburth Hall used as a special school called Underlea Open Air School ?

I attended for about a year when I was 8 or 9 and I remember the chalets and the rest shed. It took ages to get there every morning from Old Swan by special bus which picked us up from the co-op on the corner of Queens Drive and Prescot Road.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi guys. Was Aigburth Hall used as a special school called Underlea Open Air School ?

I attended for about a year when I was 8 or 9 and I remember the chalets and the rest shed. It took ages to get there every morning from Old Swan by special bus which picked us up from the co-op on the corner of Queens Drive and Prescot Road.

I used to live on Aigburth Hall Avenue and have taken an interest in the history of the vicinity. Aigburth Hall before it was demolished was the home of City Engineer John Alexander Brodie. I have not heard that is was used as a special school called Underlea Open Air School. Here's information on the mansion you are thinking of: Pam Hilton's Memories of Underlea (http://www.800lives.org.uk/lives/pamhilton.aspx?JS=1).

Thanks

Chris

[marky]

Underlea Lodge is shown on Google Streetview:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=sudley+road,+liverpool&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=12.709674,28.256836&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=N+Sudley+Rd,+Liverpool,+Merseyside+L17,+Unit ed+Kingdom&ll=53.371334,-2.924895&spn=0.00626,0.013797&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.371396,-2.924959&panoid=vYOc0v_lxDmRBS6-Hi-3Xg&cbp=12,230.37,,2,17.75