If it wasn't so serious, it'd be laughable - yes, some teams should have had a pen maybe but they're 2 nil up already so it doesn't really matter - another team have a goal allowed that should have been offside but they were 3-1 up and it's the last 5 mins anyway - academic.

We always seem to have what would be a deciding pen or goal ruled out - the last one being Andy Johnson's goal against Blackburn where 4, yes 4 players were playing him onside and he still had to beat 2 of them (goalside) to score - wtf!!!!

All this 1st phase - onside then 2nd phase off - or not interferring with play etc - what was it Shankly said ???

The managers, the players, the fans and the studio pundits are all stumped and it seems the refs are too because on the same day, Derby Co scored a goal that was allowed under an identical set of circumstances.

Here's AJ take on it and it's not biased because Lawrenson, Prentice, ALan Jackson, the Century FM legends (4) all agreed with him.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=andy-johnson-not-worried-by-everton-8217-s-lack-of-goals%26method=full%26objectid=20436588%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html

And while i'm at it, 3 newspapers agreed that David Dunn, who cleared off the line, should have been sent off earlier for a 2nd bookable offence of deliberate hand ball. Some consistency is all most fans ask for.

It's frustrating as we should be 4 points clear of 5th now with 'on paper' an easyish home game coming up on Saturday - pfft - Rant over

It's frustrating as we should be 4 points clear of 5th now with 'on paper' an easyish home game coming up on Saturday - pfft - Rant over

Easy game on saturday, Ged? I thought you were not playing us, Liverpool, till March!

:)

If it wasn't so serious, it'd be laughable - yes, some teams should have had a pen maybe but they're 2 nil up already so it doesn't really matter - another team have a goal allowed that should have been offside but they were 3-1 up and it's the last 5 mins anyway - academic.

We always seem to have what would be a deciding pen or goal ruled out - the last one being Andy Johnson's goal against Blackburn where 4, yes 4 players were playing him onside and he still had to beat 2 of them (goalside) to score - wtf!!!!

All this 1st phase - onside then 2nd phase off - or not interferring with play etc - what was it Shankly said ???

The managers, the players, the fans and the studio pundits are all stumped and it seems the refs are too because on the same day, Derby Co scored a goal that was allowed under an identical set of circumstances.

Here's AJ take on it and it's not biased because Lawrenson, Prentice, ALan Jackson, the Century FM legends (4) all agreed with him.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=andy-johnson-not-worried-by-everton-8217-s-lack-of-goals%26method=full%26objectid=20436588%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html

And while i'm at it, 3 newspapers agreed that David Dunn, who cleared off the line, should have been sent off earlier for a 2nd bookable offence of deliberate hand ball. Some consistency is all most fans ask for.

It's frustrating as we should be 4 points clear of 5th now with 'on paper' an easyish home game coming up on Saturday - pfft - Rant over

Everton fan in Ref against us shocker!

You are invited to prove otherwise my friend. It's there in plain b&w with a host of other names that are not Everton fans.

You are invited to prove otherwise my friend. It's there in plain b&w with a host of other names that are not Everton fans.

Biggest ref decision EVER actually went your way, the disallowed goal that would have relegated you.

It happens to us all Ged, Rob Stiles gave us one (deserved imho) when we were 2-0 up but gave one against us against Chelsea earlier in the season that cost us 2 points. We had a perfectly legitimate penalty turned down against WHU and then had a dubious one awarded against us in stoppage time.

The list is endless,for just about every club, in spite of what Moyes thinks.:rolleyes:

To Asbo. You keep reeling out this 'biggest ever one' what one? The one where John and I proved you wrong?

Scouse, I know they usually do even themselves out but i'm really struggling to see where it's gone our way this season, I can't honestly name one and i'm fair in that i'll come away shaking my head saying lucky there if we really were - even you'll agree if you're honest that Carra wrestled Lescott twice in the Derby and Kuyt should've gone based on those challenges throughout this season. I'll settle for it swinging our way later in the season as we must be due 9 points worth.

I don't think that West Ham one was dubious at all - you can tell by a players reaction, Carra knew he'd got it wrong and none of the pundits or team questioned it.

Read this and before you think it might be biased, it would be a rule change for all and for the better so no preferential treatment to Everton. The fact is, it doesn't even include last saturdays 'goal' because he had the referees association in weeks ago looking at it and it seems they don't understand the rules either.

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/boss-demands-rule-change.html


As for the old swings and roundabouts 'none argument'.

If I want swings and roundabouts, i'll go to the local playground. There shouldn't be any iffy 'talking points' that we're all supposed to be going to miss out on if correct decision making or technology was introduced. Did you hear big Sam talknig to Richard Keys on Sunday. He mentioned the 2 decisions that went against Newcastle - that horrendous Kalou Chelsea on of course was one of them, it cost Allardyce his job, he asked when that was going to turn in his favour - how about Ipswich getting relegated on a Van Nistelroy fall in the area or Colchester's disallowed goal that came back out off the back stanchion that saw them go out a play off final.

Get rid of the grey areas (and I don't mean those atop of Linekers ears.

I hate football. Im off now in case I draw any flak

To Asbo. You keep reeling out this 'biggest ever one' what one? The one where John and I proved you wrong?

Scouse, I know they usually do even themselves out but i'm really struggling to see where it's gone our way this season, I can't honestly name one and i'm fair in that i'll come away shaking my head saying lucky there if we really were - even you'll agree if you're honest that Carra wrestled Lescott twice in the Derby and Kuyt should've gone based on those challenges throughout this season. I'll settle for it swinging our way later in the season as we must be due 9 points worth.

I don't think that West Ham one was dubious at all - you can tell by a players reaction, Carra knew he'd got it wrong and none of the pundits or team questioned it.


You got the decisions the season before though, we didn't complain for 10 years though.

Mind i do agree on Dunn should have gone, and for a change Johnson didn't fall over and got volleyed by the defender. Only seen the 'goal' once so can't really comment.

You got the decisions the season before though, we didn't complain for 10 years though.

What the decisions the season before, 3-0 isn't exactly 2-1 on pens is it and if you look at Everton's first goal in the drubbing, it is the Everton player that is brought down in the box from behind and the ball runs through to Cahill - have a look on youtube.

I've already provided a list of refereeing errors that won you at least 3 cups.


Bryan Hamiltons well known disallowed goal by Clive Thomas

Sammy Lee lying prostrate in front of the West Ham goalie as Dalglish scores in the League cup final, I think 81, though, he wasn't offside or interferring - honest?

Hansens hand ball on the goal line from Heath in the Milk Cup final.

Henchoz doing better than the goalie and handling twice in the area during the 'Owen' F.A. Cup final against Arsenal.


And guess which team was most sinned against above.

(How about Poll ruling out the goal where Westerveld kicked the ball against the back of Don Hutchison's head and it went in) He chickened out.

i was at the milk cup final one and themaine road semi with clive thomas, the vesterfeld one though should have been taken to a higher authority I reckon as all video evidence would have shown there was nothing wrong with it at all

I agree Shoney and the seconds that followed were comedy itself, first he blows for a foul as if Hutchison hadn't retreated far away enough (if that was the case, why was his back turned and he was walking away up the field and furthermore, why did Westerveld take the kick and not just wait a few extra seconds), then he blows up and says the ball hit the net as he was blowing the final whistle - it was as corrupt a decision as has ever been seen and it stunk of Poll creating an excuse for disallowing it.

if it wasn't a public lie it would have been laughable.

Hansens hand ball on the goal line from Heath in the Milk Cup final.
And guess which team was most sinned against above.

I agree Ged ,it was handball. But if I remember correctly, in the semi final Kevin Richardson handled the ball on the goal line against Villa.

He had a plaster cast on, I blame that ;)

He had a plaster cast on, I blame that ;)

:handclap:

I heard that was why he wore long sleeves for the FA Cup final (v Watford). I never realised he was the only player with long sleeves on in the game.

He had a plaster cast on, I blame that ;)sorry ged you can't blame that it's fracturous to the thread, any way people in authority have a right to aid the afflicted

WELL!!!

More refereeing blunders by the ref that even kopites will agree is crap after giving that Chelsea goal at Anfield.

Mica Richards obviously thought he was Stephan Henchoz not once but twice :)

This could have cost us had it not being for the cream rising to the top in the end.

Regarding the appeal by Boro for Aliadere.

The extra day was added to his ban for inconveniencing the panel?

Is this like saying it's a kangaroo court and 'don't bother appealing'?


I'm also interested in Kopites thoughts about how Masherano got this player sent off when in another game 48 hours later Phil Neville stated Petrov's case for staying on. Petrov had his 1st kick swipe at Osman 10 mins earlier and he just carried on, no meal made of it, just like in the sending off incident, in the 92nd minute it was hardly going to benefit us with the game won.

Look at Masherano's body language though. He playfully nips Aliadere's nose (which by the letter of the law is raising his hands to an opponents face)
then when Aliadere flicks back, Masherano looks at the referee holding his arms out in a 'what's that all about' fashion and doesn't say anything to the ref regarding not sending his opponent off.

I personally think neither should have gone but it just shows you who is favoured during these things, even after the panel have now seen the replays, it beggars belief.

p.s. On another forum there's a little list of refs fors and againsts regarding efc-lfc over the years - guess who's winning by a country mile for refs favouring them :rolleyes:

Everton's penalty persecutionFeb 29 2008



by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo


EVERTON have scored 47 goals in domestic competition this season.

Not one has come from the penalty spot.

That’s a remarkable enough statistic in itself, but compare it to Everton’s European record and it becomes downright bizarre.

Everton have played eight UEFA Cup matches and seen continental referees point to the spot four times.

So do domestic referees have it in for Everton?


See here:

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0400evertonfc/0100news/tm_headline=everton-s-penalty-persecution%26method=full%26objectid=20542305%26si teid=50061-name_page.html


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Well i'm afraid it's happened again.... just at the wrong time possibly.

On the run-in where a win might have drawn us level going into the deby, assuming a lfc defeat tomorrow - the officials somehow contrive to get it wrong and it's been shown over and over again on t.v. that Yakubu wasn't offside for his 2nd goal.

Initially we thought it had come off a defender to him which would render him on-side anyway, but though it has been revealed that it deflected off (I think) Anichebe to him, he was not ON side anyway.

I'm at a loss to see how many things have gone against us this season - if it wasn't so serious in footballing terms, it would be laughable.

Now is surely the time for a 5th official to be monitoring the game via a screen and seeing what they see in the studio only 5 or 10 seconds after the incident and relaying the result to the blind b'astards on the pitch who contrinue to get it wrong.

I know what you mean Ged.
There's a conspiracy for sure!!:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Whinge whinge whinge whinge whinge.:unibrow:

Listen you, John knows wharra mean and he doesn't even follow footy ;)

A perfectly good AJ goal disallowed at Blackburn in a nil nil game that would have gain us 2 points had it been allowed, the Kuyt kung fu kick/Carra on Lescott wrestle - another point dropped.

I honestly can't see where any of the top 4 have dropped points thanks to a ref decision excepts lfcs v Chelsea early in the season and I follow the lot - yet I see plenty of 50/50 decisions go for the top 4 - they're talked about on forums and phone-ins galore without explaination if you don't believe me?

Must agree I thought the reff had a stinker first half.

The goal was never off side

Missed the 2nd half so can't comment on what went on there.

Well other than 'get in the Hammers' :handclap:

It's goint be a good run in anyway.

What baffles me is Bevy, some of the pundits say 'oh, introducing technology will take away the after match talking points' - well err excuse me but when you're paying the type of dough these days to hopefully see your team win fair and square, the last thing you need is a referree who can't see what thousands of fans do and 3 burks in the studio sat around a screen who can play it back from 3 different angles before the ball is even retrieved from the net - goal disallowed.

Ged I agree 100% m8. Don't get me started on the Sky sport muppets :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

The FA really needs to have a good look at this.The whole off-side rulling is a joke for a start. no one knows what is off or on these days. and I am sure the reffs aswell.

As Ged said "I don't really follow footy" but,I have been watching and listening to what's going on.There's deffo something dodgy.
And as for off side-You footy heads are baffled then what about us part time footy heads?:PDT_Xtremez_42:

I reckon Ged just posts in here to keep us all amused :handclap:

I am not amused :Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

Plus, putting an article by the well known Blue fan Prentice doesn't help the argument, mind there have been quite a few times you should have got decisions.

Anyway you got 5 pennos versus Fiorentina...

Plus, putting an article by the well known Blue fan Prentice doesn't help the argument, mind there have been quite a few times you should have got decisions.

Anyway you got 5 pennos versus Fiorentina...
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/images/smilies/034.gif
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But sadly missed most of them. Yes I know this may come back to haunt me today Ged but c'est la vie.

I'm watching a pantomime at the moment at Old Trafford.

Lfc are playing the part of the funny horse.

Reina's bottle has gone....

Big mouth will be missing against us....

Carra gets away with another penalty due to Rooney's honesty - Yak take note...

Torres better watch his gob now too...

And Davy Moyes is watching it all unfold with glee.

And it's only half time. Even with our 4 first teamers missing at the mo, I see nothing to fear whatsoever.

Well the circus has finished and wooooo.

Just listening to the footy phone-in and let me tell you, kopites are being a lot more scathing of their own team that I ever could be - fair enough to them.

Quotes include...

Gerrard shouldn't even be captain of Liverpool let alone talk of England, he should have dragged Masherano away on more than one occassion - bad cpataining.

Man Utd could have had 12 if they'd had their shooting boots on said a couple of other callers.

In response to the fact they were down to 10 men - another caller said that they can't have it all ways, Everton and Inter Milan on the last 4 matches 9twice each) have suffered that fate.

My opinion. Alonso was a fairy for the Ronaldo goal, as he was against the Barnsley player for their winner in the f.a. cup.

Skirtl, is that the same fella who we ran bedraggled twice for Zenit St. Petersberg?

On a good point - I still think lfc are a decent team but even though 3 of their team are worth the same as the whole of our team, they're still in with a decent shout for 4th ;)

I watched the whole game, I would have expected rafa to give crouch a run especially when it was only 1-0 as they had times of good pressure and just needed an extra edge which crouch would have given, as for masherano it's his own fault he knew he was already on a yellow

I'm watching a pantomime at the moment at Old Trafford.

Lfc are playing the part of the funny horse.

Reina's bottle has gone....

Big mouth will be missing against us....

Carra gets away with another penalty due to Rooney's honesty - Yak take note...

Torres better watch his gob now too...

And Davy Moyes is watching it all unfold with glee.

Haha,Very good Ged.I too watched with Glee:PDT_Piratz_26:

Haha,Very good Ged.I too watched with Glee:PDT_Piratz_26:

Hey JZ for somebody who doesnt know anything about football you have a lot to say :disgust:

Hey JZ for somebody who doesnt know anything about football you have a lot to say :disgust:

Well being an Evertonian and having E.F.C in my blood does that to a person.:rolleyes:

It's only understable when we're both going for 4th (how embarrassing for lfc) that neither of us wants the other to win right now. A kopite mate of mine was ringing me after Dean Ashton headed West Hams goal, hows that for bitter :disgust::PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Posting constantly about LFC obviously doesn't construe as bitter?

Good, i'm glad you have nothing to fear for next sunday. Hopefully our lads will do the talking on the pitch.

Posting constantly about LFC obviously doesn't construe as bitter?

Good, i'm glad you have nothing to fear for next sunday. Hopefully our lads will do the talking on the pitch.

Mascherano wont be doing much talking for a change

Well being an Evertonian and having E.F.C in my blood does that to a person.:rolleyes:

That explains why yo don't watch much football then ! :rolleyes:

Posting constantly about LFC obviously doesn't construe as bitter?

Good, i'm glad you have nothing to fear for next sunday. Hopefully our lads will do the talking on the pitch.


Jon, I have to laugh - here's bitter for you....

Every phone-in, every forum, every red I heard after you defeated 10 men Inter twice was how it was about revenge for 1965 - wtf... ha ha ha - but that's not bitter - honest.

Plus, putting an article by the well known Blue fan Prentice doesn't help the argument, mind there have been quite a few times you should have got decisions.

Anyway you got 5 pennos versus Fiorentina...


Is Christopher Beesley a blue too


http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/tm_headline=andy-johnson-not-worried-by-everton-8217-s-lack-of-goals%26method=full%26objectid=20436588%26siteid=5 0061-name_page.html


Selective reading again :rolleyes:

Wes Brown and Christiano Ronaldo are releasing a new record for charity. It's the old Andy Johnson hit 'Reina's drops keep falling on my head'

It's only understable when we're both going for 4th (how embarrassing for lfc)

I suppose it is embarrassing to have Everton as close to us as they are.

Still if it ends that way in May and we finish above Everton again (it will be the 20th time in 21 years) I think I'll be able to take the embarrassment. :rolleyes:

Hello Scouse, it's nice that finishing above us is your big goal these days whilst the top 3 have bigger fish to fry ;)

Your last comment doesn't tell the full story though neither does it - like twice the money spent and a few times we were 1 or 2 places behind you :)

Hello Scouse, it's nice that finishing above us is your big goal these days whilst the top 3 have bigger fish to fry ;)

Your last comment doesn't tell the full story though neither does it - like twice the money spent and a few times we were 1 or 2 places behind you :)

Hi Ged,

It doesn't matter which way you slice it, finishing 19 of the last 20 years ahead of Everton is no mean feat (and something I'm not sure that Everton have ever managed over us?).

Ironic that the one time Everton did edge us in the league was a year we concentrated on Europe in the last few months (one of those "bigger fish" you seem to have conveniently forgotten this season:rolleyes:)

So there's hope for Everton yet.

Not a lot mind.:unibrow:

Ha ha Scouse. If this is the type of fella you rely on for your blurb with his new Liverpool book full of bias - this column mentions money on more than a few occassions (as if Houllier and Rafa haven't spent bucket loads more than any of those below them) and injuries, everyone has them, we currently have 4 first teamers out.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/NG159297080325-1024.htm

One thing's for sure, we finished miles above you when we were in a different division - beating the Busby babes 5-2 whilst Lpool played that other team on the banks of the Mersey - Stockport county. :unibrow:

You must concentrate on Europe quite a lot, not just in that season because of the gulf at the top of the prem. ;)

Interesting perspective on Bennett's performance on Sunday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/mihirbose/2008/03/post_14.html

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=rafa-benitez-wants-talks-with-referees-chief-keith-hackett%26method=full%26objectid=20670954%26siteid =50061-name_page.html

I don't know if Rafa complaining to Hackett will do any good, it didn't do Moyes or Everton any good even though he admitted that on video evidence, Andy Johnson should have had a further 8 penalties last season with 3 others worth further consideration. How that might have changed the points tally at the end.

And here's Lawrenson's view on it - duck Mark

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=i-8217-m-amazed-rafa-benitez-is-defending-stupidity-of-javier-mascherano%26method=full%26objectid=20669756%26sit eid=50061-name_page.html


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The disallowed goal at GP against West Ham. On TV look at the crowd behind the linesman when he had his flag raised for a long time. They saw saw it was onside and they were quite intense. The linesman must have thought Oh no, the TV will catch me out.

I don't know why it's classed as bitter, sour grapes or moaning every time us Evertonians point out the injustices meated out to us seemingly every other week and yet the big hallabaloo over Mascherano who was shown on MOTD and Sky to have confronted the ref every time he gave a decision against them. He scythed in on Scholes, got booked, was wound up - full stop.

On top of what had happened the week before, best behaviour regarding dissent was always going to be on the cards, it's just that Ferguson instilled this into his team beforehand, Rafa apparently couldn't have.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=manchester-united-have-no-sympathy-for-javier-mascherano%26method=full%26objectid=20669886%26sit eid=50061-name_page.html


We've now had perfectly good goals disallowed at Blackburn and against WHU that would have secured 4 extra points but did you see any Everton players crowding the referee. Arteta was even booked the other week for taking a quick free kick, Alonso did one on sunday whilst the players were around the ref and a goal would have stood because he didn't bring the play back and that's supposedly a strict referee.

Isn't it sad that we even need a thread to discuss referees?

I don't know why it's classed as bitter, sour grapes or moaning every time us Evertonians point out the injustices meated out to us seemingly every other week and yet the big hallabaloo over Mascherano who was shown on MOTD and Sky to have confronted the ref every time he gave a decision against them. He scythed in on Scholes, got booked, was wound up - full stop.

On top of what had happened the week before, best behaviour regarding dissent was always going to be on the cards, it's just that Ferguson instilled this into his team beforehand, Rafa apparently couldn't have.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_headline=manchester-united-have-no-sympathy-for-javier-mascherano%26method=full%26objectid=20669886%26sit eid=50061-name_page.html


We've now had perfectly good goals disallowed at Blackburn and against WHU that would have secured 4 extra points but did you see any Everton players crowding the referee. Arteta was even booked the other week for taking a quick free kick, Alonso did one on sunday whilst the players were around the ref and a goal would have stood because he didn't bring the play back and that's supposedly a strict referee.


Be kind and gentle with us Ged and we will return the favour next week.;)

If Rafa does enough bleating during the week, all the decisions will go your way on sunday - nothing new there then ;)

Anyway I don't believe you because yous just gloated the last time and couldn't even admit Clottenburg had got it wrong so how can I have sympathy now? :)

If Rafa does enough bleating during the week, all the decisions will go your way on sunday - nothing new there then ;)

Anyway I don't believe you because yous just gloated the last time and couldn't even admit Clottenburg had got it wrong so how can I have sympathy now? :)

Show yourself to be the bigger and better person :)
I have every faith you can do it. Its only a game after all don't take it so seriously :rolleyes:


I'll make a red of you yet :unibrow:

Believe it or not - this is me not taking it seriously - I don't fight anymore ha ha.

If ever there was such a hobby that you pay so much for, get diddled by officials and sucked dry by mercenary players - ah fkitt, i'm going to start playing ollies.

:)

A good result by the reds last night, though I don't see either team not scoring at Anfield.

I can't let it go though without another special mention for the ref can I?

Especially as the only 3 reds in my office today admitted that they should have had another pen against them and this wasn't even Anfield.

It was pointed out why though on Sky.........


It appears that after the ref waved away the penalty claims against Kuyt, instead lamely pointing to the corner for a corner, Kuyt whispered something to the ref as he ran past him - thumbs up - rather like this here ---> :PDT11

Well, they were born 5 miles apart and are apparently known to each other - check it out. ;)

A good result by the reds last night, though I don't see either team not scoring at Anfield.

I can't let it go though without another special mention for the ref can I?

Especially as the only 3 reds in my office today admitted that they should have had another pen against them and this wasn't even Anfield.

It was pointed out why though on Sky.........


It appears that after the ref waved away the penalty claims against Kuyt, instead lamely pointing to the corner for a corner, Kuyt whispered something to the ref as he ran past him - thumbs up - rather like this here ---> :PDT11

Well, they were born 5 miles apart and are apparently known to each other - check it out. ;)


Oh come on. I have only seen it on the box but as an ex referee myself, there was nothing in it and the referee never lamely pointed for a corner he did it instantly and was no more than five yards away from the incident.

So Kuyt and the ref might as well be related according to the conspiracy theorists. I personally know everyone who was born, lives or lived within five miles of me. This encompasses the whole of Liverpool, Wallasey, Birkenhead etc etc. :rolleyes: This ex ref (me) once sent off his own nephew and in my experience most referees are totally unbiased. They might be bad but so are a lot of footballers and most are as fair as they can be. (unless you are at Old Trafford of course :) )

Support Everton and stop looking for excuses to have ago at the red half. It was never like this when I used to go in the sixties and seventies and it is bloody sad.

Funny how the telly played the 'none incident' over and over again and how it was mentioned on phone-ins - and at the time I was in the car listening to it on the Radio and Jimmy Case said that was a penalty. Maybe you were a crap ref too then ;) It wasn't me who investigated the 'link' either - that was the t.v. too - wonder how they found out that quickly :)

Oh and those 3 reds in my office who said they'd have been 'bloody annoyed had it not been given if it was the other way'

Oh well - red glasses and all that :)

Yes, it is bloody sad these days, a tussle outside the box and a foul given yet assault someone at a corner in the box and the refs s-hit out of making a decision. Did you see that pen given against Man City last weekend - what a farce.

I'd love to get Ged in a room with Mike Riley, Steve Bennett etc etc and lock him in till he's the last one standing.

Ohhhhh Yesssssss.

(and that wasn't the Churchill mutt)

:)