Has anyone come across any really old ones, or have photographs of them.
I have seen some like cannons and some ribbed square ones, these were on photographs dated 1890 to 1900.
The square ones I have not seen in other Towns.
Be nice to know some locations or pics of them please.

You can find a couple of pictures of surviving ones in Google images. There were scores of these around Liverpool at one time, used to block off a street to wagon traffic or set against the corner of building to protect the stonework from the hubs of heavy wagons. I was in the City Lighting Department in Kent Street in the late 70s and there were stacks of them piled up there along with old lamp posts. There was some sort of a drive on to standardise street furniture at the time and so all the 19C stuff had to be removed. I was told at the time that they had been taken from captured ships during the Napoleonic wars but I don't know how true this is. They went for scrap I guess.

For the past couple of years I've kept my eye out for the older type of cannon/ball bollards. There are very few around, most having being replaced by newer 'fake' ones. I've seen the other type you mention in Pall Mall and a few other places...if you mean the ones painted black and white. Here's some of the older type:

Caryl Street has a row, of about a dozen, short cannon-type bollards. I don't think I've seen this small type anywhere else, in these numbers. Recent work installing railings around the houses, could mean these have to be removed.

Leather Lane, Princes Street, Lower Bank View. These all have a style that I thought was the most authentic of a cannon/ball. I have pics of these ones, somewhere.

You can find a couple of pictures of surviving ones in Google images. There were scores of these around Liverpool at one time, used to block off a street to wagon traffic or set against the corner of building to protect the stonework from the hubs of heavy wagons. I was in the City Lighting Department in Kent Street in the late 70s and there were stacks of them piled up there along with old lamp posts. There was some sort of a drive on to standardise street furniture at the time and so all the 19C stuff had to be removed. I was told at the time that they had been taken from captured ships during the Napoleonic wars but I don't know how true this is. They went for scrap I guess.

It was true. They were mainly captured French guns - some British. They were used in Liverpool and London. On the Corner of St. John's Wood High St and Circus Rd in London a few French cannons are still there with the French crests on the guns.

There are a few still around Liverpool mainly in the old streets off the Dock Rd.

For the past couple of years I've kept my eye out for the older type of cannon/ball bollards. There are very few around, most having being replaced by newer 'fake' ones. I've seen the other type you mention in Pall Mall and a few other places...if you mean the ones painted black and white. Here's some of the older type:

Caryl Street has a row, of about a dozen, short cannon-type bollards. I don't think I've seen this small type anywhere else, in these numbers. Recent work installing railings around the houses, could mean these have to be removed.

Leather Lane, Princess Street, Lower Bank View. These all have a style that I thought was the most authentic of a cannon/ball. I have pics of these ones, somewhere.

This is a brilliant thread.
I have been thinking about it for a while
I have some pics somewhere
Will dig them out.

You are all talking bollards :PDT10

......I'll get my coat.

There's an interesting set of old Bollards in Gateacre. Here's a few shots I took in 2006

Come to think of it Taffy, there are 2/3 bollards opposite Garston Park (Island Rd side) that surround the street lamp on a tiny island.

There's an interesting set of old Bollards in Gateacre. Here's a few shots I took in 2006

They look like purpose made bollards. The cannons were improvised bollards.

You can find a couple of pictures of surviving ones in Google images. There were scores of these around Liverpool at one time, used to block off a street to wagon traffic or set against the corner of building to protect the stonework from the hubs of heavy wagons. I was in the City Lighting Department in Kent Street in the late 70s and there were stacks of them piled up there along with old lamp posts. There was some sort of a drive on to standardise street furniture at the time and so all the 19C stuff had to be removed. I was told at the time that they had been taken from captured ships during the Napoleonic wars but I don't know how true this is. They went for scrap I guess.


It was true. They were mainly captured French guns - some British. They were used in Liverpool and London. On the Corner of St. John's Wood High St and Circus Rd in London a few French cannons are still there with the French crests on the guns.

There are a few still around Liverpool mainly in the old streets off the Dock Rd.

I would love to see photographs of any cannons that are still being used as bollards in Liverpool. Thanks in advance.

This was probably a common thing in seaports worldwide in the nineteenth century, that old cannons would be used as bollards.

Chris

This is the road at the back of Rodney St (can't remember the name, any clues?!)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/Liverpool/bollards.jpg

Come to think of it Taffy, there are 2/3 bollards opposite Garston Park (Island Rd side) that surround the street lamp on a tiny island.

Yes I was thinking of those too. Never photographed them !!! A job for tomorrow I think.

Taffy
Thanks for pics, I have seen many an old photo (1890-1900) with lots of these bollards around a large lamp post.

DaisyChain
The pics you have posted are the ones I was thinking about (ribbed square bollards) without the solid plain base.
Pics of war period have them painted with white & black bands I think.

Pity they got rid of them, great street furniture.

Taffy
Thanks for pics, I have seen many an old photo (1890-1900) with lots of these bollards around a large lamp post.

DaisyChain
The pics you have posted are the ones I was thinking about (ribbed square bollards) without the solid plain base.
Pics of war period have them painted with white & black bands I think.

Pity they got rid of them, great street furniture.

Thanks
Those are still there

Here are some examples of modern cast bollards made to look like cannons as well as a couple that look like DaisyChain's back of Rodney Street bollards which might imply that those bollards are not that old after all:

Bespoke Bollards Special Commissions (http://www.furnitubes.com/bollards-special-commissions.php) -- from a Greenwich firm named Furnitubes Street Furniture.

Chris

These ones are designed to protect the old lamp post which incidentally has a very nice Liverbird in the casting.

I've seen a few places with those ribbed square bollards (which taper towards the top). The best example is the Pall Mall arc. I've seen others around town, though most are probably modern. Dale St/Tithebarn St/Castle St/by the bucket fountain/by Walker Art gallery etc.
I noticed a few still with black/white stripes...somewhere off West Derby Road (Hygeia Street, I think). A variation on the square ribbed bollard is at the start of Shaw Street (it's thinner, than the others)
I'll take pics of the non-standard ones I see. I think I even saw a few square tapering bollards, made out of concrete (but I'll have to check near Tuebrook market)

I've seen a few places with those ribbed square bollards (which taper towards the top). The best example is the Pall Mall arc.

They were everywhere at one time, especially in traffic islands in the centre of roads to protect pedestrians. Now why don't we have that now?

The first 'traffic islands' were installed in Liverpool in 1862. In 1860 a local saddler by the name of John Hastings had requested the council to build one in the road outside his shop as traffic was increasing and crossing the road was becoming dangerous. The council did not think much of the idea, but a couple of years later a local dignitary and member of the council was run down whilst crossing the road. This galvanised the council who authorised the building of six 'pedestrian refuges' in the town. Soon after they were installed the first six traffic islands had street lamps erected on them.

Lower Bank View and Leather Lane bollards. I haven't found these designs repeated anywhere else, yet, but I'm still looking. I'd guess these are some of the oldest ones.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Lower_Bank_View.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Leather_Lane.jpg

Good pics Marky.
Lets hope a few more get caught on camera.

Bollards at junction with Castle St

Taffy
These are the ones I remember and seen alot of on old pics.
Good sighting Taffy.

Solitary bollard at junction of Tempest Hey and Leather Lane. In the background is Eberle St. This is a fascinating area of old Liverpool with narrow lanes reflecting the old burgage plots along Dale St

Chadwick Street/Pall Mall. The best ones I know of this old type.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Pall_Mall_16.jpg

Mill Lane. There are eight of these bollards in this street.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Mill_Lane_8.jpg

Camden Street. An old colour that I've also seen on some cannon/ball bollards.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Camden_Street.jpg

nice pic, worlds apart that last pic, the work gone into that iron bollard, then the mass produced concrete ones bordering the carpark, i wonder if in 150 years people will be snapping the old concrete ones, i don't think so

Marky
Great shots mate, the ones in Pall Mall is that down by the old Tate & Lyle factory.

Some interesting old and new bollards.

^ Yes, that long arc of bollards is down by the start of the railway arches that run between Gt Howard Street and Vauxhall Road (near the Eldonian Village).

Geulph Place, off Kensington. Total of six here. This narrow street no longer appears on Google maps, but it still has its' old cast-iron name plate.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Guelph_Place.jpg

Regent Street.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Regent_Street.jpg

Fazakerley Street. A non-standard cannon and ball bollard, plus a ribbed one in the distance.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Fazakerley_Street.jpg

Marky
Super pics, you must have your own GPS for tracking these bollards down.
That shot of Regent Street, do I spot a drinking fountain set in the wall ?
Any idea how high and wide these bollards are ?
Look forward to your pics mate.

^ I'd guess these old bollards a little over 3 Feet, depending how much is buried. There are very few of the black/white ones still around. Many newer ones have a bue/grey colour with a white top. Some old rusty ones have been re-painted also.

Hygeia Street. The rear of Ogdens.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Hygeia_Street.jpg

Netherfield Road South. A lone old bollard among the newer concrete ones.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Netherfield_Road_South.jpg

^ I'd guess these old bollards a little over 3 Feet, depending how much is buried. There are very few of the black/white ones still around. Many newer ones have a bue/grey colour with a white top. Some old rusty ones have been re-painted also.


Brilliant pics Marky. I love the black and white bollards, they are so quaint!

Hi all

Still interested to see if anyone can come up with a bollard which is an old cannon. There used to be a number of them in the city but maybe they have gone by now? :rolleyes:

Chris

The nearest I've seen to old cannon/ball bollards, would be the Leather lane ones. I don't know anything about genuine cannons, though. Here's a couple of oldish ones...I haven't seen many with this fluted end. Pics taken 2007.

Princes Street
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Princes_Street.jpg


School Lane. I think this one has been removed.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/School_Lane.jpg

Thanks, Marky. The top one has a square base so I very much doubt that it was a cannon. However the following Flickr search shows some good examples of cannons still used as bollards in ports round the world and shows you what we would be looking for. :PDT_Piratz_26:

http://flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=cannon+bollard&m=text

Marky and Taffy - well done in capturing these, Brilliant. :handclap:

I'm sure. Britain has the most beautiful bollards of the world.

Marky
Super pics, you must have your own GPS for tracking these bollards down.
That shot of Regent Street, do I spot a drinking fountain set in the wall ?
Any idea how high and wide these bollards are ?
Look forward to your pics mate.

there are a few wall fountains along that way. here's one I took last year
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging%20pix/Picture1163-1.jpg
and I love those bollards by Pall Mall too. I took this a couple of days ago. they are looking rather forlorn.Shame they've been let go.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging%20pix/Picture1162.jpg
I took one a few years back when they were in much better nick. Photo boxed up in the cupboard somewhere. Must dig them out as I've got a fab one I took before the Gyratory was flattened

Grafton Street Bollards

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/Liverpool/23022008322graftonst1.jpg

Kirkdale Vale looking toward Everton Valley

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/S70000201.jpg

not sure how old this one is. saw it today when on way to photograph Esk St nick

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging%20pix/Picture1242-1.jpg

oh Fazakerly St and Mill Lane already on...scrap those then.

Ilford St
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1710.jpg

Hatton Garden (there's 3 in a row, but there was a small child leaning on the third one-so only photographed the 2)
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1730.jpg

old and new at Old Churchyard
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1766.jpg

oh sod it...the Fazakerly St one is lovely
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/Picture1756.jpg

either side of Mauritania Rd, Walton Park

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1895.jpg

Lower Castle St
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1941.jpg

Dale St
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1986.jpg

glad I didn't take too many pix today, Firefox keeps crashing when I'm trying to upload and I can't do FA

self explainatory
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2111.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2139.jpg

Brow Side/Netherfield Rd Sth, 5 minutes before it threw it down. things we do for urban exploration, then I find it's already on here. ho hum
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2136.jpg

Tower Gardens
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2125.jpg

What a load of bollards!!!
Excellent pics everyone.

Great pics Quincy ! How do you get around so many areas ? Do you bus it, cycle or drive a car ? :)

Great pics Quincy ! How do you get around so many areas ? Do you bus it, cycle or drive a car ? :)

bus. I spotted the Westmister Rd bollards from the bus going into town so I got off at the next stop. took the photo then found out the buses along there were every half hour :(

Sometimes I wish I could drive. It would be so handy getting around to places you want to photograph.

Sometimes I wish I could drive. It would be so handy getting around to places you want to photograph.

true, but there's also more chance of spotting things from a bus.

still it takes me ages to get anywhere as I spend half the stood at bus stops

Excellent work here, quincy. I was amused by your picture looking over at St. Nicholas's Churchyard. I took a photograph from about the exact same position last May but if you asked me if there were any bollards there I would have to say no because I don't remember any!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/527769417_4ac94fca9c_b.jpg

either end of a walk through by Dexter St, L8
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2232.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2234.jpg

different view of the Grafton St ones
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture2277.jpg

and I love those bollards by Pall Mall too. I took this a couple of days ago. they are looking rather forlorn.Shame they've been let go.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging%20pix/Picture1162.jpg
I took one a few years back when they were in much better nick. Photo boxed up in the cupboard somewhere. Must dig them out

finally found it. taken about 1997, look how fabulous they were then
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Scan10053.jpg

Lark Lane
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture284.jpg

Little Parkfield Rd
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture265.jpg

either end of a passageway by Greenbank Park
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture229.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture230.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture232.jpg

St Austin's church, Aigburth Rd
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture447.jpg

U know those cast iron bollards (black) with gold Liverbirds on them? Are they old or quite recent?

I think they are recent ones. I can't recall seeing any like that in old photos.

if you look closely some are actually dated. 1988, 1996 etc.

There's some Crown Street way I think it was ,like the black and white ones, but there's summat not quite right about them. they felt like concrete castings.

There's also some outside the old Chatsworth Drive Board School (top of Lodge Lane)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/379056847_67030a5984_b.jpg (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/379056847_67030a5984_b.jpg)

Leda Grove - unadopted

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/2268916310_f17998df85_o.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2319/2268916310_f17998df85_o.jpg)

Fulwood Park, Aigburth

what a quaint place. must get my A-Z out to see where that is

Just off Lark Lane

bummer. wish I'd had more time to look around the side streets now. time was getting on and I knew I had a 2 bus journey of well over an hour to get back home.

Hawthorne Rd, Litherland , spotted them on the way to the chiropodist yesterday. 1930s/1940's maybe? sure there's a pic of that area in one of my old books, must have a shufty.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture427.jpg

Outside Bluecoat Chambers

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2192/2393098940_bdaf4469e0_o.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2192/2393098940_bdaf4469e0_o.jpg)

junction of Crown St and West Derby St.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture846.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture844.jpg

oh and one of the mini ones around the bottom of the fountain at Boalar St
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture818.jpg

Stanley/Melrose Roads.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Stanley_Rd_bollard.jpg

it's like you're reading my mind lol. another one ticked off my list of 'to do'.

I often see things from buses then when I get a few things in an area I'll do them. saves the old joints.

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

is there a fountain in Boaler st ?? (post 65)

Stanley/Melrose Roads.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Stanley_Rd_bollard.jpg

This one really does look lost and forlorn !!

is there a fountain in Boaler st ?? (post 65)

where Boaler St used to meet West Derby Rd, opp the fire station. WD Rd on left Boaler on the right
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture813.jpg

Oh I know where you mean.
I was thinking of the Sheil rd end of Boaler st ! :rolleyes: :)

you can find some of the square none at the top where canning street and catherine street meet