Old Swan and surrounding area's

[hmtmaj]

Hi all, does anyone have any "OLD" Old Swan photo's / Video footage from bygone days. I have some video from the 50's from a Tram Video, which by the way shows other areas too, Broadway, Dovecote, Page Moss, Everton etc ... I have the link for a part of the video on Youtube, which goes from Fairfield to Dovecote ( Prescot Road )...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptjQDreSQBM

[Gnomie]

Hey i like those:handclap:

Amazing how much still looks the same:)

[bluesareus]

Thanks for that trip back in time.I often went on the No 10 tram,I left the Swan in 1961 when we had the Regent and the Curzon to go to,passing through now it just seems smaller than I remember it. :handclap:

[SteH]

I liked watching that, anyone remember the old tram shed that stood on the site of the Netto at the corner of Green Lane and Prescot Roads. There was an old tram in there till the mid to late 80s that could be seen from the top deck of a bus.

[hmtmaj]

You get a brief glimpse of it on the left hand side of the road, 8 seconds into the video. Martin

[ItsaZappathing]

Here's an old pic of Old Swan taxi's
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/itsazappathing/Liverpool%20stuff/V2T34.jpg

[hmtmaj]

Great pic John, where is it in Old Swan, I'm intrigued :PDT11

[Ged]

Mart. Don't know if you've ever tried this LRO on line catalogue facility but if you click on next record, more come up and so on. Type whatever you're looking for into the search box, if it's not there, try a new search etc...

http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='old%20swan')&dsqPos=26



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[ItsaZappathing]

Great pic John, where is it in Old Swan, I'm intrigued :PDT11

Cheers Mart
The address does not appear in directories until 1909 & then as Lewis & Co "drysalters"
It is first shown as a garage as a garage in 1912
The address is 389 Prescot.
It was listed as the "Premier Garage":PDT11

[Cadfael]

http://www.pearsonsofliverpool.co.uk/#/prewar/4532001060

PIcture outside Knotty Ash Brewery top left.

[Bernie]

Great pic John, where is it in Old Swan, I'm intrigued :PDT11

If you came out of Green Lane and turned right towards town, Premier Garage was on the first block on the right, just before the cinema. When I was a kid in Tuebrook, my Aunt had no electricity, she took her radio accumulator (battery) there to be charged every week.

[Ged]

The premier cinema becoming the premier pub in the 80s/90s. Lots of premiers about on that block :)

[anonymouse]

Two from Liverpool Record Office? site.

10224
Hoult's Corner, Old Swan.


10225
Prescot Road, towards Knotty Ash.

[GNASHER]

I have a book by Colin Gould called 'A Pictorial History Of Old Swan and Tuebrook',published by Orge Books 120 Picton Rd.Don't know if you can still buy it but it's very good.

[hmtmaj]

Cadfael, great pic, thanks. :PDT11
The other pics are very interesting too,
Martin

[hmtmaj]

I have a book by Colin Gould called 'A Pictorial History Of Old Swan and Tuebrook',published by Orge Books 120 Picton Rd.Don't know if you can still buy it but it's very good.

Got that too Gnasher.
also got St Oswalds - 150 years of a Parish ( 1992 ), mainly about the church and school history and West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree by James Hoult, which is a great history book of the area's from 1913.

[hmtmaj]

Mart. Don't know if you've ever tried this LRO on line catalogue facility but if you click on next record, more come up and so on. Type whatever you're looking for into the search box, if it's not there, try a new search etc...

http://archive.liverpool.gov.uk/dserve.exe?&dsqIni=Dserve.ini&dsqApp=Archive&dsqCmd=Show.tcl&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqSearch=((text)='old%20swan')&dsqPos=26

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Can spend hours on this Ged, Cheers,

Mart

[hmtmaj]

Anonymouse, thanks for those, haven't seen the second one before.

Am I right in thinking the second one was taken somewhere near where Sainsbury's is now, looking towards Dovecote ?
But then the road doeasn't look that wide, unless they "moved" the fencing on Springfield Park, over to the left more ! to create another side of the central reservation..... It just doesn't seem right ! :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[JMLE]

Mart, those are the houses just past the Wheatsheaf looking down to the Knotty Ash Tandoori. The old East Prescot Road used to follow this route

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j248/itsmma/epr-1.jpg

[anonymouse]

Spot on Mart, this was Prescot Road before it became a dual carriageway and was renamed East Prescot Road. The other half went the other side of the 'Turk's Head' (where Wynsors is now) and the Village Hall.

[hmtmaj]

Thanks for this info, Mart :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[hmtmaj]

If you came out of Green Lane and turned right towards town, Premier Garage was on the first block on the right, just before the cinema. When I was a kid in Tuebrook, my Aunt had no electricity, she took her radio accumulator (battery) there to be charged every week.

Is it where I have circled on this pic ?

Mart

[Bernie]

My memories are from 65 years ago and I can't be sure. I would say that it was before the cinema which in the 40's was a different building to the one in the pic. It was known as the New Premier, last time I was in Liverpool about 3 years ago the building was still there and you could see where the name had been painted on it.
The Premier Garage was a narrow alley entrance that widened out at the back of the building.

[Ronijayne]

My mother is from Old Swan. Baden Road. I was christened at St. Oswald's. I suppose my mother's family's local church although I was born and grew up in Micawber Street.

[GNASHER]

Got that too Gnasher.
also got St Oswalds - 150 years of a Parish ( 1992 ), mainly about the church and school history and West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree by James Hoult, which is a great history book of the area's from 1913.

Have you got the 1906 map from Alan Godfrey Maps?

[hmtmaj]

Have you got the 1906 map from Alan Godfrey Maps?

Wouldn't be seen without it :PDT11

Mart

[hmtmaj]

Finally went to the LRO yesterday morning, looking for Old Swan and surrounding areas, pics for a website I am doing
Anyway, got 25 to add to the site but a few have me a bit puzzled. The photo's I got copies of have very basic info on them e.g. Prescot Rd Knotty Ash 1921.
I can't seem to recognise where they may be so thought I'd put a few on here, to see if any of the people on here can recognise anything....
Anyway, here we go:
First one said Prescot Rd - Knotty Ash Terminus 1921.... can't work out which way this is looking on Prescot Rd. I know it was widened early in the 1900's. Mart

[hmtmaj]

Prescot Rd - Oct 11th 1922....
Well this could be anywhere !

[hmtmaj]

Prescot Rd "Bridge" - 1921

It could be Stanley Station on the right ...
or could it be Knotty Ash Station on the right ?
( opposite Sainsbury's now )
If not, where are the other bridges it could be ?
Martin.

[hmtmaj]

A Pic from the LRO of the Water Tower.
According to Colin Gould "A Pictorial History of Old Swan", he says the Water Tower is by Green Lane Bus Depot.
Looking at this pic, I suspect it was behind Hoult's Corner ( where Tesco is now )
The left hand side of the pic looks like Barclays Bank ( top of Derby Lane ), in the second pic, Barclays Bank is to the right in the background AND in the third pic, is that the tower / Chimney behind Hoults corner ? I think so

[hmtmaj]

Prescot Rd ( where the Icleand is now )
To the far left is the Regent Cinema, then became Casino Cars ( the second pic ), later Kwik Save, now stands empty.

edit.

Forgot to mention the Highfield House Lodges, seen in the first pic :PDT11

[hmtmaj]

do know where this is .....
12 months before the Curzon Cinema was built ( ex Home Bargains ) this was the site, in 1935.
In the second pic, the Curzon is the building on the left hand side, Mart.

[burkhilly]

Great pics Martin..........before that cinema was built you could see our road!

[Spike]

Prescot Rd "Bridge" - 1921

It could be Stanley Station on the right ...
or could it be Knotty Ash Station on the right ?
( opposite Sainsbury's now )
If not, where are the other bridges it could be ?
Martin.

Martin I think that is West Derby station on Mill Lane.

[Spike]

A Pic from the LRO of the Water Tower.
According to Colin Gould "A Pictorial History of Old Swan", he says the Water Tower is by Green Lane Bus Depot.
Looking at this pic, I suspect it was behind Hoult's Corner ( where Tesco is now )
The left hand side of the pic looks like Barclays Bank ( top of Derby Lane ), in the second pic, Barclays Bank is to the right in the background AND in the third pic, is that the tower / Chimney behind Hoults corner ? I think so

Deffo the tip of Barclays bank Martin. You could spot that anywhere as it stands out so much. Agree with you that its on the Tesco site.

[Spike]

Finally went to the LRO yesterday morning, looking for Old Swan and surrounding areas, pics for a website I am doing
Anyway, got 25 to add to the site but a few have me a bit puzzled. The photo's I got copies of have very basic info on them e.g. Prescot Rd Knotty Ash 1921.
I can't seem to recognise where they may be so thought I'd put a few on here, to see if any of the people on here can recognise anything....
Anyway, here we go:
First one said Prescot Rd - Knotty Ash Terminus 1921.... can't work out which way this is looking on Prescot Rd. I know it was widened early in the 1900's. Mart

All I can offer is that i think its the row of houses leading towards the Wheatsheaf Pub? so looking towards sansbury's? I believe if you stood outside Wyndsors shoe shop you could take this picture?

But just guessing mate? not sure at all?

[hmtmaj]

Martin I think that is West Derby station on Mill Lane.

Think you could be right and the LRO are way out !
So it's Mill Lane, NOT Prescot Rd .... :PDT_Xtremez_42:

behind on the right ( Shankly fields ) are they barracks, on the old pic ?

Mart

[wsteve55]

Great pic's Martin,but where was Highfield house?

[hmtmaj]

Highfield House stood where Highfield School is now.
The drive up to it from the lodges on Prescot Rd must have been impressive at the time.
I do have a cople of pics of it on the website I will release soon !

Mart

[Ronijayne]

Anyone remember which cinema was on the next corner to Baden Road?

[JMLE]

Anyone remember which cinema was on the next corner to Baden Road?

Depending on how long ago you're talking about, there were two. The Curzon was over the road to your left as you came on to Prescot Road from Baden Road and The Regent was on the same side to your right.

Links here...http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=6590030

[hmtmaj]

Originally there were 3 and I'm sure Sirob or Philip G will correct me if I'm wrong. :PDT_Xtremez_42:
The Curzon was on Dovercliffe / Prescot Rd.
The ORIGINAL Regent was where the Kwik Save is / was, it was that building ( it became Casino Cars after teh new Regent was built )
and the New Regent ( demolished ) is where Baden House is now.
Mart

[JMLE]

I just had a browse around for info on the New Regent as I didn't know it existed and it was indeed on the site of Baden House from 1938 - 1967.

[Ronijayne]

Depending on how long ago you're talking about, there were two. The Curzon was over the road to your left as you came on to Prescot Road from Baden Road and The Regent was on the same side to your right.

Links here...http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=6590030

I remember it in the 50's. I can't honestly remember if it was still there in the 70's. My Grandparents lived at 10 Baden Road and I just walked round the corner. I loved the shape of it so it was probably Art Deco!

Thanks for photos. The Curzon looks right but I don't remember those shops, only residences. The side of it was on the main shopping road.

*****I asked my mother recently as I was only a kid and can't really remember and she said the cinema was in Baden Road itself!!!

[JMLE]

It sounds more like the New Regent which as Martin described was on Baden Road/Prescot Road.

Here's a link to the picture...
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg171/pfw139/regent.jpg

Or from the original page...
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/off-topic-discussion/21350-whats-your-cinema-now-used-2.html

[hmtmaj]

Great pic of the Curzon on there JMLE, Mart :PDT11

[edwardo]

Bit of a cheek sliping this in..any one living in old swan know of a cake shop run by Billy Cook.he ran it with his two sons I think?

[Ronijayne]

It sounds more like the New Regent which as Martin described was on Baden Road/Prescot Road.

Here's a link to the picture...
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg171/pfw139/regent.jpg

Or from the original page...
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/off-topic-discussion/21350-whats-your-cinema-now-used-2.html

This looks like the one I am talking about and went to as a young child

[hmtmaj]

Bit of a cheek sliping this in..any one living in old swan know of a cake shop run by Billy Cook.he ran it with his two sons I think?

Where about ?
There was Sayers, Cubbons and a couple of independant one's.
The last one I remember was on Prescot Road, opposite St Anne's School, but closed years ago,

[edwardo]

hmtmaj.Sorry all I know is it was a cake shop in old swan indipendant.i'm not in liverpool so dont know how to find out.thanks.

[hmtmaj]

Cubbons was on Broadgreen Rd, Sayers AND Reecses were on Prescot Rd, the other I speak of was Prescot Rd, opposite St Annes School, so maybe this is the one.
I only frequented it a few times if I was down that way, don't know the owners name etc, sorry, Mart

[Spike]

What was the one on Green lane.

Atkinsons? has it always been named that?

[Spike]

Edwardo

Any idea when he ran it?

[George]

The cake shop is still on Green Lane halfway up,dunno the name but its frontage is still as it was 40 years ago? its purple in colour.

[hmtmaj]

This is Atkinsons on Green Lane, to the left side of the building, is the old Homestead Bakery sign

[edwardo]

Spike.within the last 10 years or so.I dont live in the pool now so out of touch.he was a cook so his stuff would have been done on the premoses.Thanks

[Spike]

10 years. I've lived here longer than that? If Mart dont know it I dont know where it was sorry.

You sure it was Old Swan?

[JMLE]

I suspect it'll be Tom Williams that's on Broad Green Road opposite Craven's/Aldi as that's a cake shop, albeit a fancy one.

[Spike]

Could well be Mark.

[burkhilly]

There used to be a cake shop next to Woolies (Home and Bargain) in the Swan. It's a greengrocers now. This was in the 70s, when I was but a kid. It was quite old fashioned if my memory serves me right, i.e. not like Sayers! I'm sure Martin will remember this shop.

[Spike]

There is one on Derby Lane. on the row of shops over the road from the Albany Pub. That looks like a family run shop, plus its been there for years.

[hmtmaj]

There was also one by Rathbone Park, Any guesses where about this cake shop was was ?
by a cinema, by a school, by a pub ?

[burkhilly]

There was also one by Rathbone Park, Any guesses where about this cake shop was was ?
by a cinema, by a school, by a pub ?

Just up the road from Rathbone Park there was a bakers. It was called Hanrattys. It's still there, but I don't think it's a bakers any more.

[hmtmaj]

"Any guesses where about this cake shop was was ? by a cinema, by a school, by a pub ?"
Its the way I wrote it, I meant to ask it of Edwardo, to give us a clue where it was.

Edwardo, where about was this cake shop ?
by a cinema, by a school, by a pub ?

[Spike]

Martin do you know anything about that one on Derby Lane? any idea who ran it?

[hmtmaj]

There used to be a Sayers on the corner of the road, by the crossing / half way down.

Where is this one you are talking about Spike, Mart

[Spike]

Little Row of shops on Derby Lane. Across road from the Albany Pub.

There is a Dones Bookies there and its next door to that. The old Post Office was on this row.

[JMLE]

Isn't it called the Derby Lane Sandwich Bar now and it's directly behind the bus stop? I do remember it being a cake shop in the past, although I don't know what it was called.

I've just found a picture of where it is on wikimedia commons, which seems to be a collection of post box photographs!. It's inbetween Juels & Gems and Betfred.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_Box_Derby_Lane,_Liverpool.jpg

[Spike]

Thats it Mark

Yep the one behind the bus stop.

It sells mainly food now ( some cakes ) but was a cake shop in the past.

[hmtmaj]

Can't remember the name sorry...
To be honest, never frequented Cake Shops much ! :ninja:

[Ged]

Oh yeahhhhhhhh

[edwardo]

Sorry i'm a bit slow in replying.it was a cake shop in prescot road called Cook & Sons.

[burkhilly]

Whereabouts on Prescot Road? Do you know any of the shops nearby.

[hmtmaj]

Hi Edwardo, it could be the one by St Annes School, Green Lane end of Prescot Rd.

There was a "Cooksons" shop, but that wasn't a Baker's.
Cooksons was opposite the Masons pub, then moved to St Oswalds St, it was a clothes shop.