What is your opinion of the above politicians view on getting folk off incapacity will the really ill folk be tarred with the malingerers. My Husband is on incapacity this last 12 years and is not capable to work......


Caterina......

What is your opinion of the above politicians view on getting folk off incapacity will the really ill folk be tarred with the malingerers. My Husband is on incapacity this last 12 years and is not capable to work......

Caterina......

According the Cameron and Little Middle England, he is a malingering bum. He went to Eton school and most of his shadow cabinet are from that school too - they are biggest bunch of sponging ***** around.

People who can't work on Incapacity benefit should get a rise in their money paid through getting the fraudsters ie those capable of work off the benefit.

Cameron's idea to make the long term unemployed work AND train by the way for their benefits is a sensible idea.

People who can't work on Incapacity benefit should get a rise in their money paid through getting the fraudsters ie those capable of work off the benefit.

Cameron's idea to make the long term unemployed work AND train by the way for their benefits is a sensible idea.

This is very naive. Who is going to employ someone who hasn't worked for years? No one!! There lies the problem.

Currently the long term unemployed are sent on special courses on how to get a job, training courses, etc. This crap is another political stunt to get Little Middle England on his side.

This is very naive. Who is going to employ someone who hasn't worked for years? No one!! There lies the problem.

Currently the long term unemployed are sent on special courses on how to get a job, training courses, etc. This crap is another political stunt to get Little Middle England on his side.

Well your argument is flawed because by making work for benefits mandatory it gives the long term jobless ie over 2 years experience. Better than sitting round the house all day isn't it? Furthermore one or two days should be spent learning IT skills or literacy and numeracy with access to the internet to search for jobs in a classroom.
Doing nothing and being paid is no longer an option.

Well your argument is flawed because by making work for benefits mandatory it gives the long term jobless ie over 2 years experience. Better than sitting round the house all day isn't it? Furthermore one or two days should be spent learning IT skills or literacy and numeracy with access to the internet to search for jobs in a classroom.
Doing nothing and being paid is no longer an option.

They have unlimited access to the internet at special places - usually the places they have the job application courses.

Only those who don't know would go along with Cameron's crap!

They have unlimited access to the internet at special places - usually the places they have the job application courses.

Only those who don't know would go along with Cameron's crap!

By making it mandatory you are forcing people to search the internet to look for work. Personally I haven't seen Cameron's plans and I haven't got much time for the man but I think if you are unemployed over two years that is a hell of a long time and the state should intervene to assist you. OK most people think the mandatory work is menial but if you just cannot get work anywhere its better than nothing, gives you experience and if it was me I would be glad to do it as I would genuinely feel I had earned my wage at the end of the week.

As I say I don't know the deatils of Cameron's proposals but in my view 2 days a week should be spent in an education enviroment (and a quality one!) with access to the internet, papers, advice, books etc.

Unemployment is immoral on the part of any government that allows it to occur. Anyone on the dole for over two years obviously either doesn't want work in which case the mandatory nature of the scheme is very very fair to those who pay taxes to support such shirkers or more worryingly if you cannot find a job for over two years through no fault of your own the state should intervene and ask for something in return for the cheque whilst assisting you back into the world of employment.:034:

By making it mandatory you are forcing people to search the internet to look for work.


They are forced to already!!!! I have said that twice. Mechanisms are already in place to help people - forcibly if necessary!!!

They are forced to already!!!! I have said that twice. Mechanisms are already in place to help people - forcibly if necessary!!!

There is very little evidence of compulsion in the current system and I would be interested to know what mechanisms exactly you are referring to?

Furthermore it obviously isn't working given the welfare bill.

There is very little evidence of compulsion in the current system and I would be interested to know what mechanisms exactly you are referring to?

I mentioned them.

They have unlimited access to the internet at special places - usually the places they have the job application courses.

Only those who don't know would go along with Cameron's crap!

Presumably this is the mention of the elements of compulsion? Yes for those who wish there is the job club. But that is not compulsory. Under the current system after so long on job seekers allowance a weeks training is mandatory. That is only a week every year, that does not compel someone who doesn't want work back into it. To be out of work for over 2 years is a very serious and sad thing and the state has the responsibility to bring these people in, monitor their progress and on a daily and weekly basis move them from hopelessness into employment. The current system does not do that as it leaves people who are out of work for a long time to aimlesslly drift through society until 2 years becomes 4 and 4 becomes 10. Then it becomes entrenched in certain families and communities and that is how you get serious poverty problems.

Presumably this is the mention of the elements of compulsion?

How many times do I have to write? It is compulsory!!! They send you on a course on how to get a job and give access to phones, newspapers, Internet, etc as a mater of course anyway. They also send people on training courses too.

If you don't attend the course the benefit is cancelled. Not what you want to hear, but that is how it is. The Cameron crap is to cajole Little Middle England, who think they the only people ever to have done a days work and have ever paid tax. I surprised he never said I'll whip them too.

How many times do I have to write? It is compulsory!!! They send you on a course on how to get a job and give access to phones, newspapers, Internet, etc as a mater of course anyway. They also send people on training courses too.

If you don't attend the course the benefit is cancelled. Not what you want to hear, but that is how it is. The Cameron crap is to cajole Little Middle England, who think they the only people ever to have done a days work and have ever paid tax. I surprised he never said I'll whip them too.

I'm not a supporter of Cameron but the basis of his idea that some sort of paid work should be expected in order to receive money every week (money that is paid by people who pay taxes) is a sound one. I don't know the details of his plans but if it were me I would include 2 days educational support as I have said above. I would also slightly raise the benefit rate. Clearly the only people who have anything to fear from this are those who do not want work because under the current system whether there is a minor element of compulsion or not they are able to maniipulate it.

I'm not a supporter of Cameron but the basis of his idea that some sort of paid work should be expected in order to receive money every week (money that is paid by people who pay taxes) is a sound one.


It isn't. What sort of work? Painting? Then the unions and civil right people get involved because of their jobs being done by cheap labour.

Best give people courses on how they can help themselves and introduce legislation to prevent ageism, etc, so many of these people can actually get a job. In some areas they send people on courses to the local Chamber of Commerce on how to run your own business. All places are taken up.

Using people who are unemployed because of reasons not of their own and using them as cheap slave labour is totally wrong.

If they want people employed it would be cheaper to set up useful public jobs employing these people and giving them a proper wage. We can all think of facilities around us that require more people - litter wardens for e.g.

Once again this knobhead Cameron is playing to the Little Middle England gallery. You know, those women that wear sensible shoes.

What is your opinion of the above politicians view on getting folk off incapacity will the really ill folk be tarred with the malingerers. My Husband is on incapacity this last 12 years and is not capable to work......


Caterina......
Yet more hypocrisy from the party that instigated the shift to incapacity benefit in order to massage the unemployment figures and provide a sop to unemployed workers in the form of a couple of extra quid. Oh and didn't they also run down institutional mental health care in favour of supposed community care so massively increasing the number of mentally ill claiming incapacity?

Howie i echo your views entirely well said that lad....


Caterina...

What is your opinion of the above politicians view on getting folk off incapacity will the really ill folk be tarred with the malingerers. My Husband is on incapacity this last 12 years and is not capable to work......Caterina......

Personally Caterina I think he is a stuck up scumbag who should be six foot under the ground - and that is putting it mildly...:disgust:

Not being into politics much but I can say that I would rather have Cameron than the 'double chinned, double talking' lame brain we have now.
Phredd. (nuff said)

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It isn't. What sort of work? Painting? Then the unions and civil right people get involved because of their jobs being done by cheap labour.

Best give people courses on how they can help themselves and introduce legislation to prevent ageism, etc, so many of these people can actually get a job. In some areas they send people on courses to the local Chamber of Commerce on how to run your own business. All places are taken up.

Using people who are unemployed because of reasons not of their own and using them as cheap slave labour is totally wrong.

If they want people employed it would be cheaper to set up useful public jobs employing these people and giving them a proper wage. We can all think of facilities around us that require more people - litter wardens for e.g.

Once again this knobhead Cameron is playing to the Little Middle England gallery. You know, those women that wear sensible shoes.

we already have legislation against ageism so you are wrong. Its not totally wrongor even slightly wrong to expect people who are out of work for a very long time and making a living out of other peoples taxes to contribute something for that charity. Its not only middle england that supports this many hard working class families have all members of the family at work and are fed up seeing their neighbours doing quite nicely out of their taxess without lifting a finger.

we already have legislation against ageism so you are wrong.


It is not effective or strong enough.


Its not totally wrong or even slightly wrong to expect people who are out of work for a very long time and making a living out of other peoples taxes to contribute something for that charity.


It is not charity. These people have already paid into the system.


Its not only middle england that supports this many hard working class families have all members of the family at work and are fed up seeing their neighbours doing quite nicely out of their taxess without lifting a finger.


I know no one who is unemployed living the life of Riley.

You have too many obsessions. Obsessions cloud reality.

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Not being into politics much but I can say that I would rather have Cameron than the 'double chinned, double talking' lame brain we have now.
Phredd. (nuff said)

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Do you mean that one who has been responsible for:

* the longest economic growth in British history?
* Making the pound the strongest currency in the world?
* The one that created so strong an economy that the UK never went into a recession after 9/11?
* Creating a boom that could absorb over 1 million eastern Europeans to fill the job vacancy gaps?
* Eliminated the tens of thousands living on the streets - even whole families?
* That has passed excellent anti-social laws too?

Or maybe you are thinking of someone else.

Or maybe we could hand the country back to the other public school old boy turkey's who think they have right to rule us, and let them ruin yet again but they will get richer in the process, as they have done each time they took charge and each time inheriting a strong economy and when leaving, left it in tatters.

Or maybe you are thinking of another country.

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Do you mean that one who has been responsible for:

* the longest economic growth in British history?
* Making the pound the strongest currency in the world?
* The one that created so strong an economy that the UK never went into a recession after 9/11?
* Creating a boom that could absorb over 1 million eastern Europeans to fill the job vacancy gaps?
* Eliminated the tens of thousands living on the streets - even whole families?
* That has passed excellent anti-social laws too?

Or maybe you are thinking of someone else.

Or maybe we could hand the country back to the other public school old boy turkey's who think they have right to rule us, and let them ruin yet again but they will get richer in the process, as they have done each time they took charge and each time inheriting a strong economy and when leaving, left it in tatters.

Or maybe you are thinking of another country.

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Yeh by nicking all of Thatcher's policies and probably soon to make the workshy contribute a little for what they get by nicking more of Cameron's policies

It is not effective or strong enough.



It is not charity. These people have already paid into the system.



I know no one who is unemployed living the life of Riley.

You have too many obsessions. Obsessions cloud reality.

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I never said they were living the life of Riley but they are doing pretty well out of it. I would be interested to see the figures for those who have 'paid into' the sytem and how much it is costing the taxpayer?

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Maybe I do have obsessions at the moment i'm obsessed with Brad Pitt

Maybe I do have obsessions at the moment i'm obsessed with Brad Pitt

Well get it sorted.

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Yeh by nicking all of Thatcher's policies and probably soon to make the workshy contribute a little for what they get by nicking more of Cameron's policies

You come across as an obsessive without any reason and blind to basic facts. Get it sorted.

Well get it sorted.

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Well I would if I had the chance of meeting him XXX

You come across as an obsessive without any reason and blind to basic facts. Get it sorted.

Social justice and world peace are my main reason

Social justice and world peace are my main reason

As I said, you come across as an obsessive without any reason and blind to basic facts. Get it sorted.

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As I said, you come across as an obsessive without any reason and blind to basic facts. Get it sorted.

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Obsessed with Kylie, music, fashion, food and MEN!!

Obsessed with Kylie, music, fashion, food and MEN!!

Keep it that way. I might me available.

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Keep it that way. I might me available.

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Most New labour supporters swing that way anyway

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Do you mean that one who has been responsible for:

* the longest economic growth in British history?
* Making the pound the strongest currency in the world?
* The one that created so strong an economy that the UK never went into a recession after 9/11?
* Creating a boom that could absorb over 1 million eastern Europeans to fill the job vacancy gaps?
* Eliminated the tens of thousands living on the streets - even whole families?
* That has passed excellent anti-social laws too?

Or maybe you are thinking of someone else.

Or maybe we could hand the country back to the other public school old boy turkey's who think they have right to rule us, and let them ruin yet again but they will get richer in the process, as they have done each time they took charge and each time inheriting a strong economy and when leaving, left it in tatters.

Or maybe you are thinking of another country.

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WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has he been in long enough to do all that then ??

Said I was not into politics much.

Phredd

WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has he been in long enough to do all that then ??

Said I was not into politics much.

Phredd

Stick to watching Corrie.