I'd have thought relations were bad enough between the clubs already without the Everton manager adding fuel to the fire. Sorry if I start a debate here that will spiral out of control, but it really annoys me that only Everton bring this up, when Oxford, Coventry, Wimbledon, Luton and Norwich all suffered too and have done far worse than Everton since. Heysel was not to blame for Howard kendalls 2nd and 3rd coming, Mike Walker and Walter Smith, and thats before I start on the players that have been bought since then.

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Hi SteH

I agree that it is rather bad taste to bring this up at this time. I don't blame him for wanting Everton re-establish themselves in Europe but not to dwell on that past history in which all British clubs were banned not just Everton and Liverpool. Unfortunate he said this. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Chris

Like it or lump it it's true.

He never blamed LFC so what's the problem - he blamed the Heysel incident and its aftermath whether that be the misguided decision to play it in an unfit stadium or Thatcher pouncing wholeheartedly to second the ban.

I think it's Liverpool fans with either an inferiority complex or guilty conscience regarding the incident that see any Evertonians mention of this as a slight on them that's more of the problem here.

The fact is, as league winners twice in that period and 2nd once to LFC who might or might not rightly have been banned alone, we were the hardest team hit period.

Add to that what followed. Whilst Everton were voted World and European team of the year, while the Manager was crowned Manager of the Season together with two of our players getting PFA and player of the year, we were left out in the cold as Barcelona and Steaua Bucharest contrived like two punch drunk boxers to contest possibly the worst European cup final ever as the 120 minute stalemate descended into a farce as 9 penalties were missed - huh.

The following European Cup final was contested by Bayern Munich who Everton had battered in possibly Goodison's finest game ever.

The likes of Gary Stevens, Trevor Steven, Howard Kendall and Gary Lineker were lost to teams still able to play in Europe which decimated our team and now we're not supposed to even mention it. I don't think so.

The original posters black bold type at the top is very misleading too - 22 years, where did you dream that up from? (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you wrote that blurry eyed in the early hours) :)

Then what came next, a trumped up apologetic mini competition called the Screen sport super cup for those teams that missed out. Everton fielded a depleted team on purpose whilst Liverpool took it so serious that they even laud the fact that Rushie equalled or bettered (can't remember now as I don't even count them) Dixie Dean's derby record ha - with his 5 goals in the 2 leg affair - gawd only knows.

And if you know your history we sing - it seems some would rather forget it ;)

Yep i agree with Ged

He never mentioned LFC , so why is he adding fuel to a fire between the two clubs?

he just states what the facts are, Everton where punished hard.

Nobody blames LFC, Fifa where to blame for Heysel by allowing a match to take place in a death trap, and then using a ban on english clubs to hide their own guilt.

Heysel hosted the European Championship final in 1972 between West Germany and the USSR and it was a disgrace even then...

Yep i agree with Ged

He never mentioned LFC , so why is he adding fuel to a fire between the two clubs?

he just states what the facts are, Everton where punished hard.

Nobody blames LFC, Fifa where to blame for Heysel by allowing a match to take place in a death trap, and then using a ban on english clubs to hide their own guilt.

The only people to blame for Heysel were the scumbags who went there with the intention of causing murder and found every opportunity to do just that.

Ged and Gnomie you are reasonable people, but the bitterest of the Evertonians blame Liverpool solely, such as those that took the banner to Villareal saying "sorry we're so late, bit of trouble with the neighbours" and the fan who shouted "what about Heysel" at the minutes silence for Hillsborough before the 2001 derby, sparking absolute chaos. By going on so much about Heysel Moyes only seems (in a Reds eyes anyway) tbe singing to the tune of the most bitter.Maybe he'd been talking to kendall before the game.

Hi SteH

I agree that it is rather bad taste to bring this up at this time. I don't blame him for wanting Everton re-establish themselves in Europe but not to dwell on that past history in which all British clubs were banned not just Everton and Liverpool. Unfortunate he said this. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Chris

I don't think it was British clubs was it. Wasn't it just English clubs?

I don't think it was British clubs was it. Wasn't it just English clubs?

It was, but oddly not Welsh clubs who played in the English league and thus could still play in the Cup Winners Cup. For the first year there was a total FIFA ban and English clubs couldnt even play friendlies, including in other Brtish Isles countries. Yet the English national team, so often the problem, could continue to take their marauding fans with them wherever they went.

It was, but oddly not Welsh clubs who played in the English league and thus could still play in the Cup Winners Cup. For the first year there was a total FIFA ban and English clubs couldnt even play friendlies, including in other Brtish Isles countries. Yet the English national team, so often the problem, could continue to take their marauding fans with them wherever they went.

Good point that SteH. England were allowed to participate in matches. I always believed UEFA were looking for a reason to break up the domination of English clubs in Europe.

Ged and Gnomie you are reasonable people, but the bitterest of the Evertonians blame Liverpool solely, such as those that took the banner to Villareal saying "sorry we're so late, bit of trouble with the neighbours" and the fan who shouted "what about Heysel" at the minutes silence for Hillsborough before the 2001 derby, sparking absolute chaos. By going on so much about Heysel Moyes only seems (in a Reds eyes anyway) tbe singing to the tune of the most bitter.Maybe he'd been talking to kendall before the game.


Yes but don't confuse a small minority with the vast majority, Liverpudlians also had a coffin decked out in blue and white to parade around the city if we'd lost to Wimbledon in the last game of that season - no doubt it was in storage for the Coventry game too a few seasons later, I bet that would have sparked absolute chaos too or would we just have been expected to laugh it off.

Regardless of the state of the wall that collapsed there were still troublemakers there that night, I remember seeing an Italian with a gun, police seemingly powerless to stop running riots on both sides but I believe the Liverpudlians largely when they say 'What did you want us to do - stand there and take it' so OK fair enough - the benefit of the doubt but also I don't believe Moyes is 'going on so much about it' anyway - he was asked a question about Everton in Europe and are they back and he must be proud etc and was referred to the great team of 1985 so it was only natural that the conversation about the ban could come up and if there's nothing to be ashamed about and since he didn't mention Liverpool or the ins and outs of it, I don't see a problem.

Yes but don't confuse a small minority with the vast majority, Liverpudlians also had a coffin decked out in blue and white to parade around the city if we'd lost to Wimbledon in the last game of that season - no doubt it was in storage for the Coventry game too a few seasons later, I bet that would have sparked absolute chaos too or would we just have been expected to laugh it off.

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Apparently a red coffin was carried down Scotty Road when we got relegated in 1954, thats were that trick came from. I went to the game at Derby away in 1998 when you were supposed to go down, there was a huge "Gone To One" banner, maybe it should be brough out as a museum exhibit if Everton win the UEFA Cup!

I wasn't around back in 54 Ste though some might try to claim I was ;)
However my dad and father-in-law never mentioned it to me, i'll have to ask around.

I hope the second part of what you say comes true but there's still a lot of footy to be played yet including Marseille and 7 others dropping in for a while, though we've managed to steer clear of them for the time being.

The only people to blame for Heysel were the scumbags who went there with the intention of causing murder and found every opportunity to do just that.

I don't think anyone went there that day hoping to murder someone, there probably were some who went looking for trouble but that was the case at just about every big game back then.

I'm not trying to absolve those who started the fighting that day (and it was Liverpool supporters and Italians that kicked it off). The same kind of thing had happened many times at other grounds, I can remember lots of running battles at the away end at WHL against Spurs and many other grounds too. Anyone who followed their team home and away during the 70's and early 80's have found themselves in a similar situation I can guarantee it.

The big difference that day was that the ground was falling to pieces, Hysel should never have been chosen for such a game.

Liverpool supporters have shouldered the blame but the people who organised that final (UEFA) should have taken some of the blame too.

Getting back to Moyes, it's a pity imho that he felt he had to rake this up again, lord knows that there are still enough Evertonian's out there who blame everything bad that has happened to them in the last 20 odd years on the Euro ban.

The big difference that day was that the ground was falling to pieces, Hysel should never have been chosen for such a game.

I agree Scouse:PDT11

Getting back to Moyes, it's a pity imho that he felt he had to rake this up again, lord knows that there are still enough Evertonian's out there who blame everything bad that has happened to them in the last 20 odd years on the Euro ban.

Well it did hurt us in a big way Scouse, we did lose a lot from it. so we should be allowed to mention it. But i dont blame Liverpool, I blame Fifa

Yep some blues will blame Liverpool, we all have our idiots.

Was Moyes wearing his cardie and sipping champagne whilst saying that.

He does say the silliest thing to pander to the Evertonians.

Peoples' (or is it people's?) club my arse...:PDT10

Yep some blues will blame Liverpool, we all have our idiots.

Ain't that the truth my friend.

Some idiots Gnomie?

Thousands in the ground sing murderers every home and away derby match. More than just a few idiots.

And yes we also have plenty.

I remember certain 'jokes' being told after both the Bradford & Heysel disasters by some people I know (LFC fans among them). But when Hillsborough happened they didn't want to tell any jokes about that of course...It seemed in some circles that it was alright for Bradford & Juve fans to die but not LFC fans.

I remember certain 'jokes' being told after both the Bradford & Heysel disasters by some people I know (LFC fans among them). But when Hillsborough happened they didn't want to tell any jokes about that of course...It seemed in some circles that it was alright for Bradford & Juve fans to die but not LFC fans.

I never heard a single joke going around about Bradford or Hysel.:confused:

I never heard a single joke going around about Bradford or Hysel.:confused:

nope, me never heard them too

I'm sorry to have to say this but I'm not a liar - they were around. I wouldn't repeat them on this forum though...

I'm sorry to have to say this but I'm not a liar - they were around. I wouldn't repeat them on this forum though...

And I'm not a liar either, and I never heard a single one.

We obviously move in very different circles.

I suppose you've never heard the Munich Air Disaster song sung at Anfield either...

I'm sorry to have to say this but I'm not a liar - they were around. I wouldn't repeat them on this forum though...

Nobody is calling you a liar Mark. I really have not heard them, nor would i care to off any set of fans.

Like it or lump it it's true.

He never blamed LFC so what's the problem - he blamed the Heysel incident and its aftermath whether that be the misguided decision to play it in an unfit stadium or Thatcher pouncing wholeheartedly to second the ban.
;)


It was Thatcher who banned all the English Clubs from Europe, the original ban from UEFA was for Liverpool only.

Like it or lump it it's true.

Then what came next, a trumped up apologetic mini competition called the Screen sport super cup for those teams that missed out. Everton fielded a depleted team on purpose whilst Liverpool took it so serious that they even laud the fact that Rushie equalled or bettered (can't remember now as I don't even count them) Dixie Dean's derby record ha - with his 5 goals in the 2 leg affair - gawd only knows.

And if you know your history we sing - it seems some would rather forget it ;)


Don't let facts get in the way, the second leg was 4-1 and Rush only scored a Hat-trick, it was taken so seriously that only 26 thousand even turned up to watch it.

Everton 1 - 4 Liverpool
Game Date :: 30.09.1986
Competition :: Screen Sport Super Cup Final 2nd leg Stadium :: Goodison Park

Goals
Ian Rush 10'
Ian Rush 27'
Steve Nicol 62'
Ian Rush 84'
Spectators :: 26,068

I think your mixing up the League Match before the Ban when Rush scored 4

Everton 0 - 5 Liverpool
Game Date :: 06.11.1982
Competition :: 1st Division Stadium :: Goodison Park
Spectators :: 52,741

Goals
Ian Rush 11'
Ian Rush 51'
Mark Lawrenson 55'
Ian Rush 71'
Ian Rush 85'

(Edit again) Sorry I was just checking incase you meant he bettered Dixie's goals scored against in that match, but thats wrong too.

Rush scored his 20th against Everton (beating Dixie's 19 against Liverpool) in the 1989 Cup Final, he finally stopped on 25 (for Liverpool) but scored against Everton again in his only goal for Newcastle.

Like it or lump it it's true.



The likes of Gary Stevens, Trevor Steven, Howard Kendall and Gary Lineker were lost to teams still able to play in Europe which decimated our team and now we're not supposed to even mention it. I don't think so.
;)

Err Gary Lineker signed for Everton AFTER Heysel, you can't blame Heysel for losing him???

Gary Stevens moved to RANGERS in 1988 3 years after Heysel

Trevor Steven moved to RANGERS 4 years after Heysel

Howard Kendal ??

Kendall left Everton in 1987, frustrated by the ban from Europe of English clubs, to manage Athletic Bilbao in Spain. He was not a great success at Bilbao (4th in 1988, 7th in 1989) not helped by limitations on the players he could sign for the Basque club. He turned down an offer to manage Newcastle United to remain in Spain, but was sacked in November 1989 after a poor run of results.

The following month he returned to England as manager of Manchester City, before returning to Everton in November 1990. He was less successful the second time around, resigning in December 1993 after a row about money for a signing. He was appointed manager of Notts County in 1995 but was sacked after less than three months. He then joined Sheffield United in December 1995, saving the club from relegation and then taking it to the 1997 play-off final, which was lost to Crystal Palace.

Kendall then returned to Everton for third time as manager in August 1997, but resigned at the end of the season having only managed to avoid relegation on the final day of the season. Kendall moved to Greek side Ethnikos Piraeus, but was sacked in March 1999 after only four months in charge and with the club eight points adrift at the bottom of the Greek First Division. As of 2007, this was Kendall's last role in football management. He remains the last English manager to win a European competition.

I suppose you've never heard the Munich Air Disaster song sung at Anfield either...

Yes I have, I'm embarrassed to say.

Not sure what that has got to do with me not hearing a single one of those Bradford or Hysel jokes though :question:

I'm just saying that one of the circles I happened to hear those jokes in was the Kop (namely the very first home game after Heysel [v Arsenal in August 1985]).
I'm certainly not tarring all LFC fans (in fact many were downright appalled).
I believe Man City still sing the Munich disaster song.
I think it is fair to say though that both clubs (Everton & Liverpool) were affected by the ban. Everton in 85-86 & 87-88 and us in 86-87, 88-89 & 90-91.

It was Thatcher who banned all the English Clubs from Europe, the original ban from UEFA was for Liverpool only.

Wrong - Thatcher had no jurisdiction in banning teams from anywhere.

Don't let facts get in the way, the second leg was 4-1 and Rush only scored a Hat-trick, it was taken so seriously that only 26 thousand even turned up to watch it.

Everton 1 - 4 Liverpool
Game Date :: 30.09.1986
Competition :: Screen Sport Super Cup Final 2nd leg Stadium :: Goodison Park

Goals
Ian Rush 10'
Ian Rush 27'
Steve Nicol 62'
Ian Rush 84'
Spectators :: 26,068

I think your mixing up the League Match before the Ban when Rush scored 4

Everton 0 - 5 Liverpool
Game Date :: 06.11.1982
Competition :: 1st Division Stadium :: Goodison Park
Spectators :: 52,741

Goals
Ian Rush 11'
Ian Rush 51'
Mark Lawrenson 55'
Ian Rush 71'
Ian Rush 85'

(Edit again) Sorry I was just checking incase you meant he bettered Dixie's goals scored against in that match, but thats wrong too.

Rush scored his 20th against Everton (beating Dixie's 19 against Liverpool) in the 1989 Cup Final, he finally stopped on 25 (for Liverpool) but scored against Everton again in his only goal for Newcastle.


We're talking about Rush's Derby goals - to help you - see where I said Derby goals earlier :rolleyes: So his Screen sport super cup goals didn't help him beat Dixie's record then :rolleyes: That's ok then if you're not counting them :)

Err Gary Lineker signed for Everton AFTER Heysel, you can't blame Heysel for losing him???

Gary Stevens moved to RANGERS in 1988 3 years after Heysel

Trevor Steven moved to RANGERS 4 years after Heysel

Howard Kendal ??

Kendall left Everton in 1987, frustrated by the ban from Europe of English clubs, to manage Athletic Bilbao in Spain. He was not a great success at Bilbao (4th in 1988, 7th in 1989) not helped by limitations on the players he could sign for the Basque club. He turned down an offer to manage Newcastle United to remain in Spain, but was sacked in November 1989 after a poor run of results.

The following month he returned to England as manager of Manchester City, before returning to Everton in November 1990. He was less successful the second time around, resigning in December 1993 after a row about money for a signing. He was appointed manager of Notts County in 1995 but was sacked after less than three months. He then joined Sheffield United in December 1995, saving the club from relegation and then taking it to the 1997 play-off final, which was lost to Crystal Palace.

Kendall then returned to Everton for third time as manager in August 1997, but resigned at the end of the season having only managed to avoid relegation on the final day of the season. Kendall moved to Greek side Ethnikos Piraeus, but was sacked in March 1999 after only four months in charge and with the club eight points adrift at the bottom of the Greek First Division. As of 2007, this was Kendall's last role in football management. He remains the last English manager to win a European competition.


Nice! And your point is. Try listening to the interviews given by Steven and Stevens :rolleyes:

I'm just saying that one of the circles I happened to hear those jokes in was the Kop (namely the very first home game after Heysel [v Arsenal in August 1985]).
I'm certainly not tarring all LFC fans (in fact many were downright appalled).
I believe Man City still sing the Munich disaster song.
I think it is fair to say though that both clubs (Everton & Liverpool) were affected by the ban. Everton in 85-86 & 87-88 and us in 86-87, 88-89 & 90-91.


And quite right too that if anyone should have been affected if anyone - then this would be Liverpool and Juventus - no-one else. Had it beenn solely Liverpool, then Everton would have gone in too as runners-up in 86-87.

It's interesting to see how money took over just after that time and how the big 3 (4 if you include Liverpool ;) ) positions are now almost unpenetrable - The money, if nothing else from those campaigns we missed out on would have been better than not having that chance - therefore, I think it's only fair that the taboo subject of Heysel should not just be brushed under the carpet as though it didn't matter like some would try to have us believe.

Nice! And your point is. Try listening to the interviews given by Steven and Stevens :rolleyes:

My point is that why did only Everton lose players?

I don't want to rub salt into wounds but other teams continued building during that period, but you state that Evertons players deserted in droves?

Thats your view on it, not mine.

It's interesting to see how money took over just after that time and how the big 3 (4 if you include Liverpool ;) ) positions are now almost unpenetrable

Would that be the Liverpool that finished 3rd the last two Seasons running?

Wrong - Thatcher had no jurisdiction in banning teams from anywhere.

It was here pressurizing that got all teams banned.

Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher put pressure upon the FA to withdraw English clubs from European competition,[12] and then two days later UEFA banned English clubs for "an indeterminate period of time". On June 6 FIFA extended the ban to all worldwide matches, but this was modified one week later to allow friendly matches to take place. The ban did not apply to the English national team. English clubs were banned indefinitely from European club competitions with a proviso being added that Liverpool would serve a further three year ban after the ban on other English clubs had been lifted.

We're talking about Rush's Derby goals - to help you - see where I said Derby goals earlier :rolleyes: So his Screen sport super cup goals didn't help him beat Dixie's record then :rolleyes: That's ok then if you're not counting them :)


Rush scored 5 goals against Everton in the SSSC 25-5 = 20. ( It was a 2 legged match he got 2 at Anfield and 3 at Goodison )

Thats 1 more than Dixie scored against Liverpool.

You got your facts wrong in your original post stating he scored 5 goals at Goodison and Liverpools fans were celebrating him beating Dixies record, thats plainly wrong he didn't score 5 goals in the match you stated, and he didn't equal or beat Dixies record in that match.

Asbo. You should have gone to specsavers.

Nowhere have I mentioned that Rush scored all 5 of his SSSC goals at Goodison. For the hard of seeing, what I did say is '5 goals in the 2 leg affair'

What I am saying, but it seems it's only you who needs this clarifying is. Rush beat Dean by one goal but had a trumped up competition to do it in, bearing in mind that comps like this and the league cup weren't around in the 1920s/30s - is that clearer now. I was in Goodison when Rush scored his 4, yes, when Glen Keeley was rightly sent off.

Regarding Steven and Stevens - and others. They stated they were leaving for Rangers as doing so still offered them European football. It's also why Kendall and Lineker left (regardless of when he came) as stated in their departure interviews. I couldn't care less which other players from other teams departed, they weren't league champions at the time and I don't support them.

Like i've said this morning on another thread concerning Liverpudlians continually mentioning Everton - keep it up, I like it. :handclap:

Dixie had steel plates in his head that were inserted after a motorbike accident, no wonder he scored so many bullet headers. :PDT_Piratz_26:

Regarding Steven and Stevens - and others. They stated they were leaving for Rangers as doing so still offered them European football.

Yeah but your wrong, you go to Specsavers too mate, because Rush DIDN'T need the SSSC to beat Dixies record ( this is the 3rd time I have told you )

Here is ALL his goals against Everton as a Liverpool player, check it for yourself!

75' 07.11.1981 3 - 1 Home 1st Division
11' 06.11.1982 5 - 0 Away 1st Division
51' 06.11.1982 5 - 0 Away 1st Division
71' 06.11.1982 5 - 0 Away 1st Division
85' 06.11.1982 5 - 0 Away 1st Division
16' 06.11.1983 3 - 0 Home 1st Division
17' 03.03.1984 1 - 1 Away 1st Division
16' 21.09.1985 3 - 2 Away 1st Division
84' 10.05.1986 3 - 1 Neutral FA Cup Final
57' 10.05.1986 3 - 1 Neutral FA Cup Final
87' 16.08.1986 1 - 1 Neutral Charity Shield
6' 16.09.1986 3 - 1 Home SSSC Final 1st leg
65' 16.09.1986 3 - 1 Home SSSC Final 1st leg
10' 30.09.1986 4 - 1 Away SSSC Final 2nd leg
27' 30.09.1986 4 - 1 Away SSSC Final 2nd leg
84' 30.09.1986 4 - 1 Away SSSC Final 2nd leg
83' 21.01.1987 1 - 0 Away League Cup 5th round
45' 25.04.1987 3 - 1 Home 1st Division
85' 25.04.1987 3 - 1 Home 1st Division
94' 20.05.1989 3 - 2 Neutral FA Cup Final
103' 20.05.1989 3 - 2 Neutral FA Cup Final
62' 23.09.1989 3 - 1 Away 1st Division
64' 23.09.1989 3 - 1 Away 1st Division
77' 20.02.1991 4 - 4 Away FA Cup 5th round replay
22' 13.03.1994 2 - 1 Home Premier League

You also stated Liverpool took it so serious ( the SSSC ) that they fielded a full strength side, you didn't mention that Rush gave the cup to an Everton Ballboy after he recieved it in full view of everyone in the ground, thats how serious it was taken!


Second can I ask why if Trevor Steven wanted European football and loved Everton so much, why did he move to Rangers instead of help Everton get into Europe, he left in the Season that that ban was due to be lifted and would have only missed one more season of non European football?

I can't for the life of me understand why you blame Heysel for Lineker leaving when he wasn't even an Everton player at the time!!
( Just out of curiosity anyway what was his contract for 4 seasons 5? ).

Your later statement that Liverpool fans have a coffin in storage for when Everton get relegated is bizarre

Lastly ( from another of your posts) can I just remind you that the European cup at the time was like winning the FA Cup (revenue wise), it wasn't the cash cow it is now.

Just look at what 2 times European Cup winners Nottingham Forest achieved after they won it.

I truly wish Everton could have gone on and played I mean that in all honesty, we will never know what they may have gone on to do, they were a fantastic team.

Everton ( and Liverpool ) have suffered with bad management and poor transfers since the heady heights of the 80's.

19 years and 17 years respectively is much too long for neither to go without winning the league.

You also stated Liverpool took it so serious ( the SSSC ) that they fielded a full strength side, you didn't mention that Rush gave the cup to an Everton Ballboy after he recieved it in full view of everyone in the ground, thats how serious it was taken!


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When Alan Hansen picked up that cup he was enthusiastic as picking up a cup of tea. Given the SSSC was to compensate for English teams not being in European competition, does that not blow apart Everton's argument that they'd have been European champions that year :unibrow:

No, because I doubt we'd have fielded 3 reserves in the EC.

Anyway, hats off to your boys tonight. They made Marseille look decidedly s-hite. :handclap:

Anyway, hats off to your boys tonight. They made Marseille look decidedly s-hite. :handclap:

Such a shame we wont be able to kick your sorry arses in the UEFA Cup :):)

We'd have avoided yous anyway next round, you know with blitzing our group with still a game to go :)

My My, all getting a bit touchy here innit.

Me thinks we all suffered through Heysel, Everton where a great team who could not go ahead with their potential. others suffered too, but i do agree Everton where hit hard.

As this thread was about David Moyes stating just this fact, it is amazing as to how it has gone off thread so easy. It is very sad to see so much bitterness on here. The regulars will know that we all have our wind ups with each other on here, we get along and accept that our teams are the best in the world, bar each other like.

but a few things from both Blues and Reds( newcomers ) are getting very agressive. sad really as its only footy. yes we defend our teams and so we should, but not through such angriness.

Im a blue( of course :) ) my Red mates all agree that when you can score 60 goals in a season, then you are class, but thats not what the thread is about. well done Liverpool for going through, but i dont need my sorry arse kicking, I have a very pert one:unibrow:

cheer up everyone, stop moaning so much ( like that wont get me called a bitter blue :) ) its only football. too many people on here trying to give clever answers. I noticed from the replies, that Ged a blue, and Scouse a Red are the people i talk to most on the footy thread. apart from a few, i dont know who the rest of you are. so calm down or get outta town please.

Our teams are doing ok, Everton much better of course:unibrow:

If we both never played in Europe, or never won a game, then we would have something to moan at.

Im bored now, off to watch some Rugby

Im a blue( of course :) ) my Red mates all agree that when you can score 60 goals in a season, then you are class, but thats not what the thread is about. well done Liverpool for going through, but i dont need my sorry arse kicking, I have a very pert one:unibrow:

Can that be the subject of take a picture of tomorrow please your pert arse :unibrow: you will make an old woman happy! :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

Can that be the subject of take a picture of tomorrow please your pert arse :unibrow: you will make an old woman happy! :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

lol ! ! hee, hee :handclap:
answer that one Gnomie :D :D

My My, all getting a bit touchy here innit.

Me thinks we all suffered through Heysel, Everton where a great team who could not go ahead with their potential. others suffered too, but i do agree Everton where hit hard.

As this thread was about David Moyes stating just this fact, it is amazing as to how it has gone off thread so easy. It is very sad to see so much bitterness on here. The regulars will know that we all have our wind ups with each other on here, we get along and accept that our teams are the best in the world, bar each other like.

but a few things from both Blues and Reds( newcomers ) are getting very agressive. sad really as its only footy. yes we defend our teams and so we should, but not through such angriness.

Im a blue( of course :) ) my Red mates all agree that when you can score 60 goals in a season, then you are class, but thats not what the thread is about. well done Liverpool for going through, but i dont need my sorry arse kicking, I have a very pert one:unibrow:

cheer up everyone, stop moaning so much ( like that wont get me called a bitter blue :) ) its only football. too many people on here trying to give clever answers. I noticed from the replies, that Ged a blue, and Scouse a Red are the people i talk to most on the footy thread. apart from a few, i dont know who the rest of you are. so calm down or get outta town please.

Our teams are doing ok, Everton much better of course:unibrow:

If we both never played in Europe, or never won a game, then we would have something to moan at.

Im bored now, off to watch some Rugby

Gnomie you're a good egg :PDT11

Can that be the subject of take a picture of tomorrow please your pert arse :unibrow: you will make an old woman happy! :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

If you want a pic i will take one, but i need a bath first :unibrow:

My missus says my arse is very pert:)

Don't believe a word girls, easyjet have charged him for 2 seats for the Alkmaar game.

Don't believe a word girls, easyjet have charged him for 2 seats for the Alkmaar game.

OH MAAAAAAAN!

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/cinemas/jan.jpg

OH MAAAAAAAN!

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/cinemas/jan.jpg

Hi Gnomie

You don't look a bit like I imagined you. :PDT_Xtremez_42:

And by the way, in terms of the acrimony displayed on this thread, which is unfortunate, I really wish both Reds and Blues fans would stop living in the past and look to the future. Sure Liverpool and Everton won all those European Cups and those league titles but in the main that was years ago. It's like the FA still thinking it's 1966 and England are still World Cup-worthy whereas the reality is far from it. England, Liverpool, and Everton need to look to the future not the past.

Chris

Anyway - back to the real thread, I didn't know Jan had seen my without my undies on.