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anyone upset? I thought it was quite funny myself, although fear for Gerrard as it may have a major downer on his Liverpool form knowing there's no tournament at the end of the season to strive for - England games being bigger than Liverpool ones in his own words of course. Felt sorry for Crouch who must finally have thought he'd shook off being famous for that robotic dance. However, on the whole I feel more Scouse than English so couldnt care about the national team either way, especially when their fans sometime boo players onto the pitch and cant play Germany without referring to WW2.
Agree with you Ste. I would have thought at least we can't suffer an injury to our club players whilst on International duty until I learned that the F.A. are planning friendlies instead of giving the players the 'rest' they always moan they need.
A hapless manager devoid of ideas, tactics and picking a team. Crouch was the only player to come out with any cred. In an interview 2 days ago he was sure Beckham was playing hailing him the best dead ball specialist and crosser we could have who has created many goals for him.
Most of those players you could normally rely on couldn't even lift the ball over the first defender last night and that awful pitch didn't help but it was the same for both teams.
With all the injuries (which are no excuse anyway) why then make changes such as Carson that were not needed.
Carragher 'resigned' from the team because the likes of King and Brown were getting in the team ahead of him so what does McClaren do - leave Brown on the bench and bring back 'retired' Campbell and bring in a rookie - Lescott.
I'm philosophical enough these days to see that if they don't go through then they don't deserve it - not conceeding three at home after little Israel done us a mighty favour to get us into that position, at one time Motson was even (tongue in cheek i'm sure) hoping Andorra might pull off the impossible.
Mourinho anyone???
jimmy
11-22-2007, 11:19 AM
England football coach Steve McClaren sacked
Nov 22 2007 By David Prentice
STEVE McCLAREN was sacked today following England’s failure to reach the European Championship finals.
An emergency meeting of the FA board took the inevitable decision at meeting in Soho Square at breakfast time this morning.
The vote of the 12-member board was believed to have been unanimous, and McClaren will walk away with an expected £2.5m pay-off just 18 months after being installed.
McClaren’s tenure lasted just 18 matches, along with Kevin Keegan the shortest full-time England managerial reign on record.
And the search will now begin for a successor.
Jose Mourinho has immediately been installed as 4-1 favourite by the bookies, closely followed by Martin O’Neill, interviewed but rejected by the FA 18 months ago, Brazilian Felipe Scolari and Guus Hiddink, whose Russian side will now go to the European Championship finals in Austria and Switzerland next summer in England’s place.
McClaren ended his reign with a 3-2 defeat by Croatia, giving him the worst losing sequence of any England manager – 28 per cent of his 18 matches in charge ending in defeat.
Steve McClaren remained in the England team hotel at The Grove as the FA powerbrokers arrived at Soho Square to decide his fate.
FA chief executive Brian Barwick was an early arrival, just after half-past six this morning.
FA chairman Geoff Thompson followed around an hour later - with the likes of Bolton chairman Phil Gartside, Sir Dave Richards and Football League chairman Sir Brian Mawhinney as well as Manchester United chief executive David Gill arriving soon after.
Waterways
11-22-2007, 02:29 PM
As soon as they appointed that turkey along with Venables, I knew nothing would come of that team. If they qualified it would have been an embarrassment in the finals.
The FA are to blame for installing a manager with little experience running a top club.
Jose it is then. He has been waiting for this job or the Liverpool job.
A £2.5M pay off - not bad eh?
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ChrisGeorge
11-22-2007, 04:29 PM
A £2.5M pay off - not bad eh?
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Didn't I read that they are still paying Sven? :rolleyes:
Chris
Gnomie
11-22-2007, 04:44 PM
If you play poo then you dont go through
and we was poo
It may be a blessing if we get a good manager
Yeah. I'd rather win the World cup anyway.
I heard there's a new oxo cube coming out wrapped in the england team colours of red and white
There calling it
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The Laughing Stock!
sorry but ye have to have a sense of humour :crybaby:
Gnomie
11-22-2007, 06:50 PM
I heard there's a new oxo cube coming out wrapped in the england team colours of red and white
There calling it
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The Laughing Stock!
sorry but ye have to have a sense of humour :crybaby:
:PDT_Aliboronz_24::handclap::PDT_Piratz_26: :unibrow: :)
Didn't I read that they are still paying Sven? :rolleyes:
Chris
Eriksson was contracted till 2008 or 2009 so I assume they are, unless a one off payment was agreed when he took the City job.
Correspondent
11-22-2007, 08:59 PM
As a banner on the Kop proclaims, "We're Not English, We're Scouse!", which pretty well articulates my own indifference to the England team.
Besides,I suspect that in the next decade club football, in the form of the Champions League, will completely overshadow the fortunes of national teams. Perhaps, we've reached that point already.
My only concern from the England fall-out is that Gerrard's appetite for Saturday's game could be affected by the Croatia result.
Waterways
11-22-2007, 10:02 PM
As a banner on the Kop proclaims, "We're Not English, We're Scouse!", which pretty well articulates my own indifference to the England team.
We are actually Liverpudlians.
Besides,I suspect that in the next decade club football, in the form of the Champions League, will completely overshadow the fortunes of national teams. Perhaps, we've reached that point already.
My only concern from the England fall-out is that Gerrard's appetite for Saturday's game could be affected by the Croatia result.
Gerrard was a disgrace and that result put him in a poor light as a captain. Even with that team, with 90,000 screaming fans behind you, you should win.
We are actually Liverpudlians.
Gerrard was a disgrace and that result put him in a poor light as a captain. Even with that team, with 90,000 screaming fans behind you, you should win.
"We're not English we are Liverpudlians" doesnt look quite so good on a banner though. Gerrard has always been a poor captain in my opinion and it was there for all to see the other night. When the players needed inspiration and lifting, there was none forthcoming from him.
Mark R
11-23-2007, 09:22 AM
England are just not good enough - plain and simple. They made a mess of a group they should have qualified through. I think the underlying problem though lies with the FA itself. It doesn't matter who manages England because the FA are an incompetent group of dinosaurs who are still living off England's 1966 win. That coupled with so-called 'superstars' are the real problems of English football. (and not, as some would like to think the influx of foreign players). The press conference showed one 'dinosaur' claiming England was "the best league in the world." It might be the most demanding and gruelling but it is certainly not the best in the world. What was even more intriguing was that none of the countless journalists present questioned this...
One bright note - at least we won't be subjected to "WAGS and FLAGS" next summer :)
Yes, we have enough quality in England - the foreigners aside - we should still be beating Macedonia and Croatia at home - we were cruising at 1 nil away to Russia too until we imploded. It's just a matter of getting them to play to their strengths.
Anyway.....
McClaren went to a fancy dress party last night dressed as a pumpkin. It is believed he was hoping a fairy god mother would be there who could turn him into a coach.
Bum bum...
and i'm here all week
(much to your annoyance :))
Waterways
11-23-2007, 10:40 AM
"We're not English we are Liverpudlians" doesnt look quite so good on a banner though.
It does.
Gerrard has always been a poor captain in my opinion and it was there for all to see the other night. When the players needed inspiration and lifting, there was none forthcoming from him.
I see why Terry was in charge.
OXO are issuing a new cube wrapped in red and white foil - they're naming it the 'laughing stock'.
Apparently the three lions on the badge are being placed with three tampons as England are having their worst period for years:PDT_Piratz_26:
scouse mouse
11-24-2007, 01:17 AM
As a banner on the Kop proclaims, "We're Not English, We're Scouse!",
My favourite along those lines was the.............
Our Nation Is Liverpool, Our Religion Is Football
Nice one.:handclap:
ChrisGeorge
11-25-2007, 12:23 AM
Hi all
How much are England's woes a result of the old club and country problem? I notice that at least two England players ruled out for Wednesday were playing for their clubs on Saturday, Chelsea's John Terry and Everton's Andy Johnson. Were there any others who did not play for England in midweek but did play this weekend? Also I think all of the England players from Wednesday were on winning club sides on Saturday.
Chris
Hi all
How much are England's woes a result of the old club and country problem? I notice that at least two England players ruled out for Wednesday were playing for their clubs on Saturday, Chelsea's John Terry and Everton's Andy Johnson. Were there any others who did not play for England in midweek but did play this weekend? Also I think all of the England players from Wednesday were on winning club sides on Saturday.
Chris
Avram Grant has questioned the decision to leave Terry out of the team agaainst Croatia, but I dont know why Johnson wasnt in the squad. At the end of the day the clubs are all powerful now and if they dont want their players to join up with national squads they wont. Ryan Giggs went about 10 years without playing a friendly for Wales
Mark R
11-30-2007, 10:07 AM
See the England FA are racing around asking managers etc for advice. Some they have asked advice from are Platini, Beckenbauer, Ferguson et al. How desperate is that? What is even worse is they asked Graham Taylor and Bobby Robson. They weren't even up to the job when they were in it.:disgust:
Taylor was the turnip he was portrayed as, that touchline documentary showed that. However I do think that Robson was very unlucky coming within a penalty of the final, as did Venables - there is a very thin dividing line even at that level I feel. Do you remember Denmark winning the European Championships after not even qualifying orignally and were only let in at Yugoslavia's expense who were expelled due to their war.
I personally don't think there is an English manager with the credentials or who the players could look up to.
Mark R
11-30-2007, 10:33 AM
Taylor was the turnip he was portrayed as, that touchline documentary showed that. However I do think that Robson was very unlucky coming within a penalty of the final, as did Venables - there is a very thin dividing line even at that level I feel. Do you remember Denmark winning the European Championships after not even qualifying orignally and were only let in at Yugoslavia's expense who were expelled due to their war.
I personally don't think there is an English manager with the credentials or who the players could look up to.
I think Robson was fortunate in the first place though in '86. He persisted with Robson & Wilkins in midfield and only put in the excellent Peter Reid & Steve Hodge when Robson was injured (v Portugal) and Wilkins was sent off (against Morocco). I personally think Bracewell should have played in that tournament. I think England did have hard luck though considering the heat and altitude. Yes I remember Denmark winning Euro '92. When they were included in the tournament (at Yugoslavia's expense) I put a bet on them to beat Germany in 90 mins in the final at odds of 9/2. I remember the England group also contained France, Sweden & Denmark. Everyone at the time was saying "England & France will qualify." I said to my mates that I wouldn't be surprised if Sweden & Denmark went through (which they did). I just thought that with the finals being held in Scandinavia, at least one (if not both) would qualify for the semis. You're right though - it can be down to luck. I don't think there is an English manager capable of doing the job either.
ChrisGeorge
11-30-2007, 12:13 PM
I think the basic problem is that English players do not have the craft and ingenuity to beat the best in the world. We have good players and we have clever players but not with the skills that the other countries have. That's why Christiano Ronaldo shines playing in the Premiership. If England had a team of players like him we would be worldbeaters, but we don't. We have grit and determination but that's not enough, and I am not sure that any manager, whether he be English or foreign, will be able to get what is needed from the players in order to win the World Cup. It's no longer 1966 and levels of technique have advanced around the world surpassing what most English players can achieve. The FA is living in the past if they think England can win the World Cup like they did in 1966. At present, I just don't see them doing it.
Chris
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