Is it me or is the system totally wrong? I have been fortunate to work all my life and as a result have never claimed anything off the state, but I get so ****ed off when people I know come bragging to me that they deserve an oscar for the way they fooled their GP into believing that they have a medical condition that prevents them from working, and would soon be in receipt of invalidity benefit as a result. This particular person has put very little (if anything) into the system but expects to take all, they obviously have little or no morals, and take great delight in telling me that I will be contributing towards their scam, I know an easy option is for me to 'grass' on them, but for me that is not an option, I wouldn't grass on anyone, but I do expect a little consideration. This same person has two holidays a year a substantial savings account and all the fringe benefits that go with being in receipt of benefits, yet my household receives absolutely nothing!
I can assure you that person is not a friend, just an acquaintance but there is so many people who are allowed to do this WHY? A further example of an unfair system, is that I pay into a private health fund in the event of me or my wife needing hospital treatment, hence I will never be a burden on the NHS and do I get a tax allowance for this, do I ****e, the system is so wrong. I would be interested in others views on this subject.

Yes, I agree with you. That is just taking the **** It is an insult not only to working taxpayers but also to people who are genuinely incapacitated. I also know genuine cases who should receive incapacity benefit but have actually been told they are not eligible for it...The system is a joke.

No, it's not just you but the system has been a joke for as long as i've been trying to understand it.

Yes, I agree with you. That is just taking the **** It is an insult not only to working taxpayers but also to people who are genuinely incapacitated. I also know genuine cases who should receive incapacity benefit but have actually been told they are not eligible for it...The system is a joke.

I had this problem.
I have won two tribunals.I had to really play on my illness to get my benefit.Even though my own doctor says I can not work I was kicked off the sick.All these stupid forms need scrapping.
I know some people who claim Incapacity/DLA don't deserve it.It is a hard benefit to get and not as easy as it used to be.
I hate the fact that if you are a heroin addict or alcoholic then you get incapacity benefit.Isn't that a joke!!

They must claim DLA then as the Job Centre doesn't push them Into jobs then unless It's JSA.

The doctors don't give a crap, there making money signing the sicknotes anyway.

people who deserve benefits should get them ie people who are genuinely ill or cannot work. But no one can say they don't know at least a few people who are milking the system on incapacity benefit when there is nowt wrong with them. Frank Field is the man on welfare reform, if Blair had been bolder he should have appointed him as a secretary of state for this.

If you are saying that I know somebody who is claiming benefits unjustly and that I am not doing anything about it ?
Feller ! you are way out of line. I resent your remarks and sweeping statements.

tough

tough


Mouch tougher on you if that is your attitude.

Have I missed something here ?

f you are saying that I know somebody who is claiming benefits unjustly and that I am not doing anything about it ?
Feller ! you are way out of line. I resent your remarks and sweeping statements.

I dont think Libertarian said anything of what your suggesting unless I missed something :)

Am with Shielsy and Steven on this one.
Am sure Libertarian is having a off day today:PDT10

I once found a bad apple.

Therefore all apples are bad.

I once found a bad apple.

Therefore all apples are bad.

Very cryptic response to the thread Topic Phil, care to expand on your response?

Seems simple to follow to me.......

Libertarian said everyone knows someone who is milking the system - Steven took offence to this.

I would suggest Philip means that because there are a few bad apples, don't label them all claimants as such.

I personally go along with the 2nd posting on this thread :handclap:

People who milk systems are found everywhere. I know a woman that buys and sells on auction sites, claims money from the welfare, has a nice big house, a car, a dog and goes on two overseas trips a year while we tax payers supplement her lifestyle. It peeves me off to no degree.

It depends how far you want to take it down the line. Do buskers or pub groups declare their earnings? Cash in hand workers, market stall holders. My wife when a youth worked in St. John's market and the proprioters there used to send huge wads 'home' via the post office in jiffy bags.

Maggie started off the DLA to cook the unemployment figures and it suited her back then that loads of people 'transferred' to sickness or incapacity benefit. Now the amounts being paid to some spurious claimaints is coming back to haunt. I remember a documentary highlighting the scams that go on.

of course there are lots of people all around us who milk the system, and in all different ways.
anyone who says there isn't is naive to say the least. :rolleyes:

it is very annoying and it's not fair that others have to carry the can for them.


- getting off topic slightly .. but I heard on the news this morning that it costs everyone of us £150 a year because of shoplifting :angry:

.. same as people who fiddle the electric - - it goes on all our bills in the end. :disgust:

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Every so often the public are encouraged by the Government to pillory or persecute a particular group of people.
At the moment it is Incapacity Claimants, but groups like single mothers, Job Seekers, the disabled, etc., even immigrants, have all been selected to be "investigated".
(And nothing ever changes).

Yes, there might be some people claiming benefits who shouldn't receive them, but they are in the minority.
Are all the doctors who have to regularly check Incapacity Claimants wrong?
Peter Hain is blaming the Conservative government, but his party have been in power for over ten years.
If the system's faulty, it should be fixed, rather than scaremongering and setting one section of the public against another.

I am not that naive to think that spongers don't exist in all sections of society and i was certainly not being judgmental by pillorying or persecuting a particular group of people. I was simply having a little rant about an acquaintance, who has the audacity to come bragging to me that they deserved an oscar for the way they fooled their GP into believing that they had a medical condition that would prevents them from working, and would soon be in receipt of invalidity benefit as a result. As Mark R said "It is an insult not only to working taxpayers but also to people who are genuinely incapacitated. I also know genuine cases who should receive incapacity benefit but have actually been told they are not eligible for it...The system is a joke". but if everyone takes the attitude of "it always happens, and always will" it will never change. The welfare state was designed following the war to help GENUINE needy people to have an acceptable standard of living, not for people like me to work my 'balls' off to subsidise their chosen lifestyle. I know that this is a contentious posting as the majority of us will know somebody (friend family member or possibly yourself who is in receipt of benefit) however my point is and was that people who have the audacity to openly brag about their deceit are basically scroungers, who need to get off their arse and put something back into the society, that they are so keen to steal from.

I am not that naive to think that spongers don't exist in all sections of society and i was certainly not being judgmental by pillorying or persecuting a particular group of people. I was simply having a little rant about an acquaintance, who has the audacity to come bragging to me that they deserved an oscar for the way they fooled their GP into believing that they had a medical condition that would prevents them from working, and would soon be in receipt of invalidity benefit as a result. As Mark R said "It is an insult not only to working taxpayers but also to people who are genuinely incapacitated. I also know genuine cases who should receive incapacity benefit but have actually been told they are not eligible for it...The system is a joke". but if everyone takes the attitude of "it always happens, and always will" it will never change. The welfare state was designed following the war to help GENUINE needy people to have an acceptable standard of living, not for people like me to work my 'balls' off to subsidise their chosen lifestyle. I know that this is a contentious posting as the majority of us will know somebody (friend family member or possibly yourself who is in receipt of benefit) however my point is and was that people who have the audacity to openly brag about their deceit are basically scroungers, who need to get off their arse and put something back into the society, that they are so keen to steal from.

Good grief, Sheilsy.
You do have a low opinion of people!
Because I said what I did you're implying I'm on benefit. :shock::disgust::disgust::disgust:
I demand an apology.

You called this thread "Spongers".

Good grief, Sheilsy.
You do have a low opinion of people!
Because I said what I did you're implying I'm on benefit. :shock::disgust::disgust::disgust:
I demand an apology.

You called this thread "Spongers".

I take people as I find them, I was not implying that your on benefits at all and quite frankly I dont give a toss if you are, my original point was about someone who has the audacity to brag about feigning a disability in order to gain benefits, incidentally it is an open forum and no implication was made towards you at all.
Phil I am aware there is a history between us, and regardless of what I post you feel the need to be contentious, move on fella.

I am not that naive to think that spongers don't exist in all sections of society and i was certainly not being judgmental by pillorying or persecuting a particular group of people. I was simply having a little rant about an acquaintance, who has the audacity to come bragging to me that they deserved an oscar for the way they fooled their GP into believing that they had a medical condition that would prevents them from working, and would soon be in receipt of invalidity benefit as a result. As Mark R said "It is an insult not only to working taxpayers but also to people who are genuinely incapacitated. I also know genuine cases who should receive incapacity benefit but have actually been told they are not eligible for it...The system is a joke". but if everyone takes the attitude of "it always happens, and always will" it will never change. The welfare state was designed following the war to help GENUINE needy people to have an acceptable standard of living, not for people like me to work my 'balls' off to subsidise their chosen lifestyle. I know that this is a contentious posting as the majority of us will know somebody (friend family member or possibly yourself who is in receipt of benefit) however my point is and was that people who have the audacity to openly brag about their deceit are basically scroungers, who need to get off their arse and put something back into the society, that they are so keen to steal from.


Hi Sheilsy,
hope you didn't get the wrong end of the stick reading my reply to your post ie; when I said that people would be naive if they think it doesn't go on - it is actually agreeing with what you said :)


There are too many people screwing the system and if anyone thinks there are not people screwing the system then they are naive.

Someone bragging like that person you mention - well, it's anyone to make someone who is working hard feel bitter.

I take people as I find them, I was not implying that your on benefits at all and quite frankly I dont give a toss if you are, my original point was about someone who has the audacity to brag about feigning a disability in order to gain benefits, incidentally it is an open forum and no implication was made towards you at all.
Phil I am aware there is a history between us, and regardless of what I post you feel the need to be contentious, move on fella.

I've been commenting on this thread, but you, Sheilsy, seem to be determined to make it something personal between us.

I've been commenting on this thread, but you, Sheilsy, seem to be determined to make it something personal between us.

Your wrong fella

Can't somebody shut this BORING thread? I did report it but got no action.
It is no credit to Yo Liverpool to have such squabbles. YES, I know this is a forum and a place to have your say, but why add fuel to the fire on this subject ?

My 2d,s worth. Does anyone realise how difficult it is to get DLA ?

You need to fill in a huge form, send it off and they will arrange for
an independant doctor to come and see you, he fills in another huge
form which you read and sign. It is really what he says on the form
that determines if a person gets DLA or not, very few get it 1st time
they have to appeal and attend the hearing, they are then given a
yes or no immediately.
OK, we all know there are people who fiddle all the benefits, but this has
allways been the case, remember Boys from the Blackstuff ?.
Let them get on with it, they will come unstuck one day.

Well Steve, I hope that is the case with the sad little sponger I originally referred to in this posting, before the thread seemed to take a very tiresome diversion :)

Well Steve, I hope that is the case with the sad little sponger I originally referred to in this posting, before the thread seemed to take a very tiresome diversion :)

It will happen one day. I know people as well but it isn't my problem
someone, somewere will report them and the powers that be will take
discrete action and build up a case, then ZAP come into the office please

Actually i know people who are receiving benefits including job seekers, DLA and the likes. I myself don't claim benefits but when i tried to get some financial help for my cousin whom i took in, i got nothing. When i tried to claim DLA (for genuine reasons ) i was refused. I was given DLA for a year and it was stopped, nothing had changed. I don't like spongers but some people are genuine. I have been told be a couple of people that they never want to work, one is getting DLA and is just an alcoholic, andis proud of that.

We have the same problem over here. I know one family where three members (Husband, Wife and their child) get DLA but also receive Attendence Allowance. The husband claims Attendance Allowance (AA) for looking after his wife, the wife gets it for looking after the child.

How in the name of God does someone who needs DLA be able to claim and receive Attendance Allowance for looking after someone when they are meant to be so ill they cant look after themselves???? The system is so wrong.

I also know of someone who was dying of cancer and was refused DLA. The DLA office was contacted and the person was told to send in fresh evidence. How much more evidence did the DLA need - the person died the next day.

The government should be giving people who work some kind of "cash back" so that it would make people want to work instead of claiming benefits.

It's good to see that finally some people are admitting there are genuine claimants, which is all I wanted to say in this misleadingly named thread.
There is a sort of "cash-back" system in operation for people who take low-paid jobs.
I think it's called "In-work Credits".