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Kev
11-14-2007, 10:15 PM
Did anyone watch this? I thought the amount of violence used was rediculous :PDT_Xtremez_12:

THE BBC faced criticism today after a scene in EastEnders linked hooligans with Hillsborough.

Fans said they were shocked at the reference to the tragedy which left 96 Liverpool supporters dead.

The row was sparked by a scene following a violent gang attack on the soap’s Queen Vic pub where hoodlums were searching for the character Jase, who is from Manchester.

Scriptwriters then introduced a storyline about the character’s football hooligan past.

And EastEnders mechanic Minty rebuked him saying: “Five years out of Europe because of Heysel, because they pinned you lot in to stop you fighting on the pitch, and then what did we end up with – Hillsborough.”

Phil Hammond, of the Hillsborough Family Support Group (HFSG), said the scriptwriters had “got it wrong”.

He added: “They should apologise to the people of Liverpool. It’s totally out of order.”

One viewer, writing on one of the BBC’s website forums, said: “Linking hooliganism to the Hillsborough stadium disaster.

“Was it relevant? No. Was it accurate? No.

“Hillsborough was proven not to be hooliganism. Do the BBC not realise 96 people died and many families are still suffering?”

Another said: “How do they continue to get away with airing lies and perpetuating the myth that 96 innocent people who died at Hillsborough were in any way connected with hooligans?”

BBC bosses today stood by the storyline.

A spokeswoman said the corporation had received 17 complaints following the show, which also received 150 complaints about the level of violence.

She said, "In last night’s ‘EastEnders’ Minty was actually reminding Jase that football hooliganism at Heysel led directly to the fencing-in of fans at football matches. He points out that this had tragic consequences - for the innocent spectators at Hillsborough."

But fuming fans hit out on LFC fans’ websites with messages and bombarded TV watchdog Ofcom's switchboard following the show.

Many said they were surprised by the reference which seemed to have nothing to do with the plot.

One described it as an “ignorant, ill-informed and without justification reference to Hillsborough.”

SteH
11-15-2007, 07:10 AM
The fences were up at football grounds long before Heysel, at Anfield they went up around 1979.

I dont think it can be ignored though that nobody at all wold hve died at Hillsborough if there were no fences there and proper exits onto the pitch.

As to relevance, why Eastenders had to refer to both disasters involving Liverpool when a Manc character was involved I'm not to sure.

Even the actor playing this character regulrly forgot where he was meant to be from as sometimes he deviates into a Scouse accent.

Ged
11-15-2007, 09:29 AM
Don't know the relevance either but I can confirm that there were no fences at Anfield in 1979 because during the Derby there - the one were the streaker ran straight past Clemence and he said in the Sunday papers that he didn't even see her - yet was ogling her just in front of me (in fact I was screaming for him to get out of the way), I actually walked around the perimeter of the pitch to get to my mate in another part of the ground at half time. (it ended 2-2 with a classic Mike Lyons own goal)

lindylou
11-15-2007, 09:59 AM
There were some calls on Radio Merseyside yesterday. Roger Philips read out a reply from the writers of Eastenders. Apparently Eastenders crew replied very quickly - so they must know they've made a big mistake.

Ged
11-15-2007, 10:01 AM
Yes heard that Lindy. Apparently they normally have to wait a while for a reply but it was as though they had one already prepared from earlier complaints.

Kev
11-16-2007, 08:13 PM
BBC says sorry as Eastenders sparks Hillsborough outrage (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2007/11/15/bbc-says-sorry-as-eastenders-sparks-hillsborough-outrage-100252-20109056/)

HUNDREDS of people have complained to the BBC over comments made on EastEnders linking football hooligans and Hillsborough. Read (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2007/11/15/bbc-says-sorry-as-eastenders-sparks-hillsborough-outrage-100252-20109056/)

Waterways
11-16-2007, 08:39 PM
Don't know the relevance either but I can confirm that there were no fences at Anfield in 1979 because during the Derby there - the one were the streaker ran straight past Clemence and he said in the Sunday papers that he didn't even see her - yet was ogling her just in front of me (in fact I was screaming for him to get out of the way), I actually walked around the perimeter of the pitch to get to my mate in another part of the ground at half time. (it ended 2-2 with a classic Mike Lyons own goal)

The streaker. She only had a white thick knit woolly sweater on. Didn't Everton also have a goal disallowed?

Ged
11-19-2007, 01:02 PM
As ever John, as ever ;)

Mark R
11-19-2007, 01:30 PM
The Heysel Stadium should never have held the final in 1985. West Germany played the USSR in the European Championship final of 1972 there and it was a shambles even then.
Even more proof of UEFA's inadequacy...

Correspondent
11-19-2007, 02:15 PM
Unlike the Sun, or Boris Johnson, the BBC realised that a backlash against it on Merseyside simply wouldn't be tolerated by its governors, due to its publically funded status, & issued the apology. However, the statement from the beeb was long in coming & has damaged its name on Merseyside.

Libertarian
11-19-2007, 07:17 PM
The Heysel Stadium should never have held the final in 1985. West Germany played the USSR in the European Championship final of 1972 there and it was a shambles even then.
Even more proof of UEFA's inadequacy...

The fact of the matter is that the Heysel riot was a shameful affair for the city of Liverpool and LFC and the only people to blame are the thugs on both sides who caused murder. Not UEFA's fault or anyone else's at all.

Mark R
11-21-2007, 09:21 AM
Yes, maybe so but the venue was totally sub-standard. UEFA must have had some idea of the possibility of something happening. Don't forget, it was a crumbling wall that collapsed and the Belgian police were useless as well.
There were serious problems in Rome the year before. Heysel was a disaster waiting to happen.