I have received an email confirming that I have been successful for my application for tickets for the McCartney gig at Anfield, and Ringo at the Liverpool Echo Arena.

Has anyone else been sucessful?

You can keep em'.McCartney is a load of.............
I'd rather go see Ken Dodd who is indeed a true scouser!

What constitutes a true scouser in your book?

I don't think the multi multi millionaire ex Beatles who still sell out everywhere they play will lose any sleep over you not buying Rubber Soul John ha ha.

Did Franky Zappa ever stay in his birthplace - no, I looked it up as i'd never have known where he was even from he's that 'not famous'

Come on now - we can't seriously get into a debate about these 2 'great artistes'

Like you said about Take That though. I'm glad Zappa's there for those who do like him ;)

And am glad the Beatles are there for those who like them.But McCartney is a joke.
Only ever comes to L/pool when he's got a new book or album coming out.
I hate the fact that people who are not from this city think we all like the Beatles and football.NO!
:handclap:

McCartney comes back at least once a year to issue his LIPA graduates with their degrees. He plays here too. He's the only artist to have number ones as a solo artist, duet, trio, quad, qunitet, sextet and more.

Mull of Kintyre, released amongst the punk era when the charts were full of it became the biggest selling single of all time and was only taken over by charity songs such as Band Aid and Lady Di's Elton John effort where the sympathy vote counts.

Get the dvd where Russia's commies and opposers agree that the influence of the Beatles music brought down that regime where it was 'underground'.

There is no debate - they hold the record for 5 songs in the top 5 spots of the American billboard charts - Elvis even turned turkey on them the two faced snide and tried to get them banned as undesirables because they were taking him limelight ha ha - the king.

Still, like I've said earlier, it's all subjective, not trying to change your opinion, just dispelling a few myths, you're entitled to yours too ;)

And who the hell bought "MULL OF KINTYRE" ?
Sorry but that is one awful dreary tune!
And if being number one makes you "an outstanding" artist.Gawd help us!!!!:handclap:

I think Macca should send us all a few bob with a few noughts on the end of it, then his friendship might better in Liverpool. ha ha Zappa

Good idea chippie.The tight git he is.
Did you buy Mull of kintyre ? I have never met anyone who did so who the F*^K bought it? The deaf im thinking:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Yes, I own up to it and that vid of them all around the campfire with the Scotchies playing was oh so cosy :)

I've also got it on his greatest hits album too but there's so much more to him/them than just being No1.

In 1965 when awarded the MBE's it was because they were Britain's best export - rather like Sweden had the Volvo you know.

Despite the rantings of some music rag reporter you posted up - which I tore to shreds with chronological facts - they do it for a reaction you know to guage reading figures - the Beatles were trend setters and I have interviews with people of the time like Dylan, Eric Burden, Brian Jones, Gene Vincent etc who say so and it's their version of events that counts.

I could list all the firsts, facts, figures etc but why bother. Macca is paying off mucca more than you or I could earn if we lived 20 times so it's all immaterial. I suppose the fact the Beatles made more money in 1996 than they ever did whilst at the peak of their careers helped a bit a blowing the current (1996) top stars, Oasis, out of the water.

I also think you're intertwining the fact the Beatles are from Liverpool too much. I firstly like them for their music and then reading up on them, for who and what they are as people, overcoming early life trauma etc. Being from Liverpool is the icing on the cake but purely incidental. I also like Manchester groups, other British groups and some Amercian groups but to answer your question about whether I go around saying awright laaar - no, just like I don't go around saying 'Mad for it or have a nice day'


Have a nice day ;)

Ged, great posts :handclap: spot on.

I won't have a word said about the Beatles. No one can ever touch us - the Beatles are great sons of Liverpool and no one can compete with their world wide fame. No wonder Elvis was jealous. I never like him anyway. Don't like his music and can't see why women swooned over him :neutral:

I don't claim to be an expert on all of the Beatles music, albums etc, but never the less, I am fiercely loyal to them anyway - purely because they took the world by storm - the whole world looked towards us and they don't belong to no one else but us :PDT_Piratz_26:



Sorry John - yer 'gonna' marmalise me ... but I had to Google Zappa :o

I new the name Frank Zappa, but I wouldn't have known what he looked like or any of the music.

... but being a 'Soul girl Mod' :D I was oblivious to any other type of music. Most certainly anything remotely 'Troggy' ( which meant anything like Rock or Heavy Metal, ) ha,ha, :unibrow: Mods & Rockers - never the twain shall meet !

I watched some Zappa You Tubes. Well, he does seem like an interesting and colourful character.


Remember me saying in another thread that is fashionable to slate Pete Price and it's not cool to be a fan - - - well, the same has been like that for years about 'Mull Of Kintyre'

Why is it deemed uncool to like it and what is wrong with it ?
It's just a nice piece of music with some lovely bagpipes which everyone likes at New Year. :)

I love 'Mull' and once in a blue moon, when I'm in the mood, I play it nice and loud. :PDT11 (It's one of those that has to be loud) :D
I like it because I love the sound of the Scottish pipes and you'd have to be made of stone not to like them.

I love 'Mull' and once in a blue moon, when I'm in the mood, I play it nice and loud. :PDT11 (It's one of those that has to be loud) :D
I like it because I love the sound of the Scottish pipes and you'd have to be made of stone not to like them.

I think bagpipes are as musical as a cat howling. But, if we all liked the same thing the world would be a dull place.

lol ! I know what you are saying Shy :D it's not the kind of thing you would pop into the CD player for everyday listening :)

.. but there is something that stirs the soul when you hear them - - must be my Scottish grandfather's blood :) I always feel uplifted when I hear the pipe bands - love to see the Scotties marching.

I had a friend from Scotland ( sadly no longer with us) - and if she heard the pipes ('specially at new Year') her eyes would fill up.

Anyway, I like 'Mull of Kintyre' :PDT11

I didn't register for tickets.

I got the McCartney gig and opening ceremony. What a rip off with the booking fees though, something like £6.50 on each £55 McCartney ticket.

I think bagpipes are as musical as a cat howling. But, if we all liked the same thing the world would be a dull place.

Well said shy.
Am glad this generation have more of a choice in their music.Even if some of it is truly horrendous.
Didn't the Cavern get knocked down because nobody in the 80's really cared?
Like I have said before...each to their own.
And for those who have to look up Zappa,don't you think you need to broaden your musical knowledge and taste? There's loads of fantastic music out there that you wont find in the charts.By the way,see how many musicians worked for and with Zappa.
Even Tina Turner & the Ike-etts had a go.
Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not wisdom
Wisdom is not Truth
Truth is not Beauty
Beauty is not Love
Love is not Music
Music is the best! (FZ)

I got the McCartney gig and opening ceremony. What a rip off with the booking fees though, something like £6.50 on each £55 McCartney ticket.

I wouldn't pay 5.50 for one.There be loads available.Not just that,being a real scouser you should bunk in!!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I wouldn't pay 5.50 for one.There be loads available.Not just that,being a real scouser you should bunk in!!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

No chance mate Anfield has turnstiles unlike some foreign stadiums :PDT11

Well said shy.
Am glad this generation have more of a choice in their music.Even if some of it is truly horrendous.
Didn't the Cavern get knocked down because nobody in the 80's really cared?
Like I have said before...each to their own.
And for those who have to look up Zappa,don't you think you need to broaden your musical knowledge and taste? There's loads of fantastic music out there that you wont find in the charts.By the way,see how many musicians worked for and with Zappa.
Even Tina Turner & the Ike-etts had a go.
Information is not knowledge
Knowledge is not truth
Truth is not Beauty
Beauty is not Love
Love is not Music
Music is the best! (FZ)

Yes, I looked at the You Tubes and saw that Zappa appeared with many famous people. I didn't know anything about him before this.

My true love is Reggae and Ska music. Since I was a kid of 14 I have been very heavily into it almost to the point of studying it like a subject. Not so much these days though as life's mundane routine has taken over from it. :rolleyes: .. ha,ha, and I'm getting a bit long in the tooth to be dancing the Ska across the livingroom floor :eek: Ha!

I got my McCartney tickets too.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Hope you got ear plugs free with them:PDT11

You have to also remember that back when the Beatles were getting No.1's, you had to sell a darn lot of records, they were the 1st to achieve a No.1 before release due to advance sales alone from radio plays. Nowadays, it only takes your extended family to download or buy a cd to get it into the top50, it's why there's more No.1's per year than in the past.

The cavern got demolished because our cranky council didn't care - that's all, just like the very stage in Woolton were J&P met nearly went until saved - short sighted d.ick heads running the show. It says something when even a replacement built over a decade after they split is now a mega tourist attraction.

A little story from the mouths of some of the most respected musicians of their time - Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and the Pink Floyd lads including Syd Barrett.

Pet Sounds by the Beach boys had been released in 1966, it raised the bar that everyone in music was aspiring to, the Beatles has recently been the innovators of the 'fade in' to a song (Eight days a week), the fade out of course being a popular way to end tunes. They'd also become the first group using Indian instruments like the Sitar and Tabla on songs ala Rubber Soul.

Pet Sounds influenced the Beatles to go into the recording studio and create a masterpiece. The Beatles were a meal ticket to Parlophone on the EMI label, therefore they were afforded as much studio time as they liked and a 30piece orchestra, unheard circumstances at the time.

Brian Wilson meanwhile was due to go into the studio to create what many commentators who heard it still regard as the best unfinished musical piece ever - it is now finished and taken on the road by Wilson and is called 'Smile'

Pink Floyd were creating 'Piper at the gates of dawn' their debut album with psyceodelic(sp) influences next door to the Beatles in Abbey Road studio 1. They overhead what was happening in Studio 2 - the creation of Sgt Peppers lonely hearts club band and the single Strawberry fields forever/Penny Lane.

They were blown away - so was Wilson resulting in him shelving 'Smile' and going into a deep depression which saw him lose his mind becoming a hermit.

At the press gathering for 'Sgt Pepper' in June 67 - music journalists were also blown away - the rest is history.

The Beatles didn't even cash in on the album as much as they could have, a regret by George Martin as no singles were released from it. Buy an album these days and usually, the fan will have four of the songs having already been released. The Beatles put unheard of songs on the B sides so that to have them, you had to have the single - a clever ploy which suited both them and the fan who got their moneys worth.

:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13
Yawn...............
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZ

John

for someone who hates The Beatles you seem to spend a lot of time reading threads about them. Maybe you have latent Beatle tendencies :eek:

And who said I hate the Beatles ?
I read most of the threads on here!
Ohh touched a nerve have I ?
Oh dear:PDT10

Hope you got ear plugs free with them:PDT11


Naughty Naughty.:lol:

I got a ticket - can't wait. Saw Macca on Electric Proms the other night and he rocked! Showed the young uns a thing or two.
Julie

Ps He's here more than you think. He visits family and still has a house on the Wirral

Jeezus!!!! are you bucking for the epitomy of a wingin' scouser john? On and on, and on,etc! Dont you get it? "Each to his own" as the saying goes,a philosophy i vaguely remember being espoused by Frank,himself!!!!!!!!! :disgust:

Yeah John

as wsteve55 says, each to their own, or as Macca said 'Live and Let Die' :cool:

Jeezus!!!! are you bucking for the epitomy of a wingin' scouser john? On and on, and on,etc! Dont you get it? "Each to his own" as the saying goes,a philosophy i vaguely remember being espoused by Frank,himself!!!!!!!!! :disgust:

Er,try reading up.That's what I said.EACH TO THEIR OWN!
Again...zzzzzzzzz and a big yawn!:PDT10

Instead of spending a lot of energy dispelling the virtues of the most successful group in history to those who are not listening....

sing up the praises of deserving (in your opinion) unknowns....

I'll start you off.


Frank Zappa.

Ask anyone from aged 15 to 40 to name one of his songs (doesn't even have to be a hit if he didn't have one)

;)

Frank Zappa.

Ask anyone from aged 15 to 40 to name one of his songs (doesn't even have to be a hit if he didn't have one)

;)

I'm a little over 40 and although I had heard the name I have no idea what he looks or sounds like.

I know it's all subjective and at the risk of winding up the wind up merchant, who I admire for championing the underdog by the way, you're not missing anything. ;)

Ok before we start.
If you ain't heard of Frank Zappa well I will not try and educate you in some musical direction nor will I type up the hundreds of musicians that have played for him and wanted to (even Mr J.Lennon).
I will not inform you of one of the most talented and outspoken musicians,composers,film maker, etc etc etc.
If you like your "pop" then good for you and if you like your rock then rock on.
If you like the Beatles,am glad for you.But please remember there are more artists and musicians that get held back and don't get airplay due to the fact that we got these guys in office now who just wanna make money and don't care who,how or why the music is sounding the way it is.It's a trend.
Anyway for all you little brown nosing McCartney/Beatles lovers...
get a grip.Top ten hits are for kids aren't they? (or Micheal Jackson).
Zappa was told by many interviewers that he could easily make a top ten hit.His answer was...Who wants to go through life with a tiny nose and one glove on?
So all you loved up peace makers..don't fret your little moptops.Like I said before...I dont hate the Beatles I just wish people would get a life!!
Y'know none of my mates like them,the kids today find them boring and I just reckon there's a lot more to music and Liverpool than the Beatles.
So end this silly business about who had hits etc.Its like saying "who plays the fastest guitar".???????
By the way I do like "I am the walrus"!
End of.

I will start by saying that the only way to gauge an artists popularity back then was by charting - pop by the way stands for popular. The charts were an incidental by product of what was selling - not the other way round.

Pink Floyd as an example didn't release many singles, they were not a singles band, however, the fact that the album 'Dark Side of the moon' chartered for over a decade again proves their worth. Another Brick in the wall of course was the last No1 of the 1970s - charting over xmas 79. (a rare single release)

When it became the norm for lower sales to obtain you a No.1 - it is then when we starting getting silly novelty songs making it to No1.

So Zappa was around only when guys in offices just wanted to make money so he was held back - but forgive me, he was around at the same time as the Beatles were still getting number one albums - which they have done for 5decades. Who plays the fastest guitar is open to scrutiny and anyway doesn't necessarily make them the best guitarist which is also subjective - who charts at No.1 due to sales in the record shops where it matters - is fact.

Individually none of the Beatles are best at their best known instrument imho - however, together they were the best, particularly at songwriting and musical arrangement - even for other artists - something again that Elvis certainly wasn't.

There is a lot more to music and Liverpool than just the Beatles - this has never been disputed and it would be silly to do so although many (worldwide) have cited them as influences and have covered their songs more than any other artists - enough said there then.

I can't convert or expect anyone to like something just because I do, all I can do is point out the facts, the rest is up to the individual, it would be a dull world if we all only liked one genre of music let alone one single group.

The fact you like what I may consider to be one of the more obscure (yet still a No.1) songs is testimony to their wide range of style of music to a wider audience, yet I couldn't name a Zappa song and yet I too like a wide range of music. That makes them popular so embrace the foreign dollar and Euro as Liverpool would be a lot poorer without them.

Yawn
Heard it all before and its sad that you don't know any Zappa tunes because am sure you'd like some.Admittedly its not for everyone but you couldn't knock a great composer and musician even if he didn't want a number 1 single and he could of had one many times if he wanted.
They now study Zappa's music in uni as a degree.Lithuania has just put up a statue of Zappa and so has Germany.Baltimore has a Zappa day,Holland has Zappa weekends and some Liverpool guys called "the muffin men" play all around the world (not wanting a number one hit single).And there's more so if you know nothing of The Mothers Of Invention-(first group to have a double album out) Or Zappa -first person to have a 3inch single out,recorded most of his albums live with no overdubs never followed a trend and had some of the best musicians from all over the world in his band AND some of the worlds finest conductors such as Pierr Boulez,Zubin Metha and many more then I suggest you give it a try.There's over 70 official albums out.
Fact-None of Zappa's albums where recorded under the influence of any illegal substances-kids take note!

I might have a listen. Sacriledge here possibly but I'd never invested in any Hendrix stuff, only seen documentaries with excerpts of purple haze and crosstraffic something or other so I downloaded some - boy was I disappointed. Yes, if you want the star spangled banner on electric guitar or annoying feedback or teeth on strings etc then it's for you but I think idols like him and a few others who died before their full potential have become rock gods simply because of that - dying young or self destructing young I should say.

I've heard the free live album of the mothers of invention on Lennon's Some time in NYC and i'm glad it was free to be honest and can see why.

I should say that I don't like songs just because they've been hits but it's purely incidental that I do like songs that have been hits, them being hits mean that lots and lots of likewise minded people liked them that's all.

Do the people of Baltimore bemoan the day they have for him - though he never went back there to live, like you bemoan the Beatles who had to leave because of popularity (can't excuse Zappa there) or due to recording studios, their publishers offices, tv/radio commitments being in London?

For over 70 official albums, you'd have to be mega rich in talent for all of those to be very good (remembering that 5 of the official 12 or 13 Beatles albums, ie. released whilst they were still together) are exceptional (even none singles tracks being well known and covered by other artists) and regularly make the top 10 or 20 top albums of all time.

I go along with your ideal about him not having touched drugs - well done FZ. However, though not condoning such things, many commentators believe that opening up the mind with halluciagenic drugs brought out the best in some including classical music writers, players and artists.


Are there any of his songs in particular or albums that you would recommend - I didn't like Take That until this time round - no, only kidding ;)

Ok for all you none Zappa/Mothers heads out there....
Firstly you gotta know where Zappa is coming from.
Some of his songs are about "Life on the road" and well touring can make you crazy.
If you like classical go for The Yellow shark.Zappa wrote a piece of music on the synclavier and thought that there is no musicians who could play it.That was until he met "The Ensemble Modern".A great bunch of fine musicians who played it note for note.
I couldn't recommend any of his music as its too much and too diverse.
I would recommend the classic hits such as Valley Girl,Bobby Brown and Yellow Snow.However I suggest you find out for yourself which type you like.Rock,country,pop,thrash,classical,blues,disco he's done em all and all live too.
Every Zappa album is as good as the next even though some of it I don't like.It's the arrangements,orchestration and the way he makes sounds makes you realise that there's actual musical notes involved.
Anyway,don't make a fuss get on the bus....
Add water makes its own sauce.
Oh I would say check out Joes Garage as it is all about how music can cause Big Trouble!

I don't fancy yellow snow ever since I ate some :eek:

My next door neighbour once bashed me on the nose he did. He looked out of his bedroom window and saw my name written in the virgin snow with pee.

It was in his daughters handwriting.

I'll check some out, I really will but gizza chance.

Well in Ged.At least you got Balls!

John

I've learned more about Zappa in your last couple of threads than I did many years ago avoiding his records being played by my older brother, well done. I'm with Ged, the Beatles are an easy target, that everybody has their own opinion on. So much better to champion your own favourites, and maybe get some people to come along for the ride. Nobody needs to introduced to the Beatles, they are readily accessible (and I agree, too much by some media). The beauty of forums such as this is that members can become exposed to a subject they have previously known little about, and become better enlightend as a result.

The purpose of this thread was to enquire on members interest in an event celebrating the Capital of Culture, not to restart the 'D'yer Like The Beatles' debate.

Seeing that Ged nicked his 'handwriting in the snow' sketch from Morecambe & Wise, I'd like to finish with one of their songs 'Positive Thinking'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKN7aWTUrIU

Good man.Although you shoulda took notice of your brothers records.Sounds like he had good taste.
I never started this "dyer like the Beatles" thread thing.
AGAIN ONCE AND FOR ALL "I DO NOT HATE THE BEATLES" and i actually do like "I am the walrus" and maybe about another 2 tunes.I loved the album "Band On The Run" when I was a kid and still like some of it today.
So please get off my case.I like more artists than you could probably name and as my cd collection is over 700 official cds/200 mp3 cds by various artists and groups and over 200 Zappa cds am sure I have a clue about decent music,everything by Pink floyd and Genesis too.Plus...
nah its not about collections either its about taste.Enjoy what you got/like.

I Am The Walrus was my son's favourite song when he was about five. It was okay, until he started singing 'you've been a naughty girl, you let your knickers down'. Not the sort of lyrics you want the teacher to hear on his first day at infant school :eek:

Band on The Run is still my favourite McCartney album from his chequered solo career. Whilst he was recording it (Lagos I think?) he was attacked by muggers, and Linda shouted out 'Don't kill him, he's Beatle Paul'. She was always a name dropper.

We were a family of strange tastes, one older brother was listening to Zappa, Floyd, Skynyrd. Another to The New Seekers, Guys & Dolls. And the third to Leo Sayer, Gilbert O'Sullivan - I never stood a chance :)

BTW I'm off to see Gilbert with him on Saturday, come on everyone 'I'm a Writer Not a Fighter'.

I see it was your third brothers influences that rubbed off on you then ;)

'No matter how I try', I don't think John will ever fully appreciate the Beatles genius which leaves him 'Alone again (naturally)' :)

Am sayin' nothin':ninja:

Anyone on here who won tickets for the opening ceremony been told how to collect their tickets yet? Less than 2 weeks away now and I've heard nothing. I wonder if that was on Jason Harbarrow's 'things to do list' before he went off.

Not got tickets for opening ceremony but am rather annoyed that they have taken money for Macca concert about 2 months ago and don't plan to post out tickets until a few weeks before. Surely it's illegal to sell goods you don't have?

The Counterfeiters have theirs:PDT_Piratz_26:

In John Zappa's defence, can I say that he does not hate the Beatles. When he came on this site he made a few 'sweeping statements' ~ to test the water. That is the nature of the feller. John Z is actually the salt of the earth, he can be very funny but says what he thinks and will not take sh*t from anybody.

Personal note to John Z. Lol

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Forget about the Beatles mate, by now you must know how General Custer felt dodging those arrows.

yeah, he likes winding us up :p

:D John Z we know you are a good egg :PDT_Piratz_26:

John Z we know you are a good egg :PDT_Piratz_26:

Don't say that,I will lose my street cred!!!

He's not a good egg, he's a great egg ;)

Hey thanx you guyz but yer doin me street cred no good....
:PDT_Xtremez_42:
I will have to get out and earn a few points...do a baghead in or go to wetherspoons and start selling dvds:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

got any good dvds John????

got any good dvds John????
You know I have....
Baby snakes by Zappa
Dub room by Zappa

and the list goes on!!:handclap: