New Royal Liverpool Hospital.

[Ged]

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9787/royalhospitalmapyo8.jpg

THIS is the first map showing exactly where health officials want to build the brand new Royal Liverpool hospital.

Land at the south-east corner of the Royal’s city centre site, now used for car parking and blood transfusion and accommodation blocks, has been earmarked for the £400m complex.

The existing 1970s hospital would then be bulldozed freeing up space for future healthcare buildings.

NHS managers today revealed more details of the long-awaited rebuild.

They are now asking thousands of residents and businesses for their views on the project.

The new Royal will:

Be about the same size as the current hospital in terms of floor space, but will be significantly lower, with architects abandoning the outdated “tower” design.

Have two main access points, from West Derby Street and Prescot Street, with ambulances reaching A&E via the planned Hall Lane bypass.

Contain around 1,500 parking spaces, mostly on site, in addition to the current Q Park facility.

Have a landscaped area of open space in the centre of the redeveloped complex.

Hospital officials will now canvass views of about 2,500 residents in neighbouring Kensington Fields before giving a planning application to Liverpool council early next year.

If everything goes to plan the new Royal could open its doors to patients in 2014.

Land at the site’s south-east corner was chosen because it allows the current hospital to still operate while the new complex is built.

Project director Helen Jackson said: “This is the only part of the site where we can develop the new hospital, because we have to keep the existing facility in full use until the new one is built and ready for occupation.

“We have looked in detail at a range of other options and believe this provides us with the best long-term solution.

“Refurbishing the existing site would take at least 12 years and would include significant disruption to services.

“Similarly we considered a move away from the city centre.

“But we cannot find an alternative suitable site and we do not believe it makes clinical sense in moving A&E away from its present location.”

Next year’s outline planning application will focus on how the site will be laid out, with precise details about what the hospital will look like appearing in a full planning application in two or three years’ time.

But health officials are already promising an environmentally-friendly building.

Royal chairwoman Judith Greensmith said: “We want it to be low energy, generating low waste, and supported by a robust green transport policy, so public transport has equal weight to car parking.

“There is already a commitment that we will help local people access jobs, specially during construction.”

A series of public exhibitions is now planned so as many local residents as possible can see the early proposals.

[Paul D]

I've edited your post Ged I hope you don't mind.:)

I'll look forward to seeing the back of that commie block we call a hospital,I hope the architects do a better job this time.

[Ged]

Not at all Paul, that looks a lot better. Will the nurses be looking for some accommodation if that tower block of theirs is coming down, can you put home addresses on here :unibrow::ninja:

ps. I see Pembroke Place has been renamed.

[Kev]

Thanks for the info chaps :PDT11

[steveb]

It seems like a waste of money but at least it's still closeish enough to me. The next big hospital is Fazakerley /Aintree which is too far away for people without cars

Depends were you live. No doubt people who live in Aintree say the
same about the RLH

[steveb]

I had to be transferred to have something done that only Aintree hospital did.It also has an A and E, ITU etc so local people don't really need the Royal if Aintree has more facilities.The Echo said the new Royal will have less beds,hope that isn't true

I was in Aintree about 3 years ago, not very well at all, I can only
praise them as they were 100%, but I had to goto the RLH nuclear
medicine to get my thyroid zapped as it was very over active, they did
it then back to Aintree into a private room as I was radioactive.
The problem is bed blocking,ie, patients who can be discharged, but
for various reasons can't be, and social services either can't or won't
help, usually the later

[marky]

That old house at the rear of the hospital (by the car-park) was getting surounded by scaffolding today. I wonder if it's getting demolished. It was mentioned in an earlier thread and is shown at the bottom-right on the plan picture at the start of this thread.

[marky]

The long building at the rear (bottom-right of the hospital site, by the disabled car-park), was surrounded by hoardings a couple of days ago.
The old house I mentioned, a couple of post above, was actually being repaired.

[Cadfael]

The long building at the rear (bottom-right of the hospital site, by the disabled car-park), was surrounded by hoardings a couple of days ago.
The old house I mentioned, a couple of post above, was actually being repaired.

Good to hear of the house being repaired. It dates back from the 1800's and used to be a dairy at one point. Up until the 1980's, someone still used to live there. Now passing it about 2 weeks ago, the crack that you see in the front of the house below had come away taking half of the front of the house with it. Excellent to know it is being made safe.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff183/cadfael1976/DSC00373.jpg

[marky]

I've got a pic of that house (with a big chunk of brick-work missing). I'll dig it out shortly. In the meantime here's the block that has been surrounded by hoardings.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Hospital_rear_disabled_carpark.jpg

[marky]

Here's that building from August 2007.
A larger pic is available from here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25632502@N00/2073292001/?edited=1

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2383/2073292001_3387d9aec5.jpg

[shytalk]

Marky, check my reply from a while ago.

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?p=56233&highlight=welding+shop#post56233

[Kev]

Here's the mini that was abandoned in the garden of the house.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/81/257627739_e0744550ea.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/257627739/)

I desperately wanted to rescue the poor fella:PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[marky]

The proposed Hall Lane link road should go inbetween the church and the white house. I don't yet know what's happening to the hospital block on the left.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Mount_Vernon_Street.jpg

[marky]

Part of the Hospital block near Mount Vernon end, is being demolished. I noticed they've sealed the windows with plastic sheets, whilst stripping-out the interior.

[billo]

The building with the hoarding in the old blood Transfusion building, I think they have moved to Speke near the new skin and tissue bank there.

[Kev]

Mar 11 2008 by Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo

THE £400m replacement for the Royal Liverpool hospital is finally set to get the go-ahead.

The ambitious project would see the 1970s complex rebuilt in the south-east corner of its city centre site, before the existing buildings are demolished.

Health chiefs say the current hospital has reached the end of its useful life just 30 years after opening and no longer meets the requirements of patients and visitors.

Basic plans for the new Royal are now recommended for approval by town hall planners, although councillors will have the final say next week.

A council report says:

It will take 10 years to rebuild the Royal, starting in January 2011.

Technical experts say the hospital’s electrics, heating and ventilation systems are likely to start failing in the next few years.

The existing hospital will continue to operate while its replacement is being built.

The report adds: “Obviously, building a new hospital alongside an existing one while maintaining services clearly presents a significant challenge.

“Inevitably, there will be a substantial amount of disruption as a consequence and it will be critical to ensure construction work is effectively managed so the amount of disruption can be minimised.

“The exact details will form part of the package which prospective developers will be required to provide as part of their bids to win the construction contract.”

The new Royal would focus on emergency and specialist treatment, with other services like planned care and rehabilitation provided at Broadgreen hospital.

Patients’ representatives have criticised the possible reduction in beds, but the main concern raised by council planners is about car parking.

Kensington residents say staff and visitors leave their cars in nearby streets to avoid parking charges, and the Royal’s plans include reducing the number of spaces by about 300.

Council officials suggest telling the hospital to contribute £100,000 towards a residents-only parking zone in the Kensington Fields estate in return for planning permission.

Central ward councillor Nick Small said: “We have worked with the Royal and residents for the past six months to try and mitigate parking problems and discussions have been quite positive.”

The proposal will be discussed by the council’s planning committee next Tuesday.

nick.coligan@liverpool.com

[gregs dad]

Is there an uglier hospital building in the UK than the present Royal ?
I place it with the Echo building as joint winners, as the most ugliest buildings in Liverpool There is no chance of them being listed buildings.

[Ged]

Well the hospital is supposed to be coming down eventually (as soon as the new building is erected to the rear of it)and the sandcastle is supposed to be getting a makeover (more windows) but you never know though, strange as it may seem, together with the TGWU building there are not many 70s iconic buildings - a sort of barren time for architecture and building within the city. They may end up as listed as some of the very few examples from that era. Possibly a travesty when you consider the current plight of the Bedford cinema.

[marky]

Another building, at the rear, was being surrounded by scaffolding/sheeting today.
There are 3 old black/white bollards over the road, just incase anyone goes to photograph this building.

[Ged]

I got the nurses high rise flats at the weekend. :PDT11

[gregs dad]

Just read a good description of the Royal, a filing cabinet for sick human beings.

[tirpitz]

I've edited your post Ged I hope you don't mind.:)

I'll look forward to seeing the back of that commie block we call a hospital,I hope the architects do a better job this time.

I agree a terrible design.I remember as a kid growing up in Low wood St, Low Hill does anyone remember the name of the church that was torn down on Prescot Rd to make way for the then new hospital? Or even beter have any pics.

[Kev]

The £400m redevelopment of Liverpool's biggest hospital has been given the green light by planners.

The outline approval paves the way for the construction of a new hospital on the Royal Liverpool site, before the old building is demolished.

The hospital's trust said the outline approval from Liverpool City Council would improve future patient care.

Plans also include residents-only car parking for people in the Kensington Fields area, which borders the site.

Under the plans, the new Royal Liverpool will become a specialist centre for cancer treatment and emergency care.

The second site owned by the trust, Broadgreen Hospital, would focus more on planned care, outpatient clinics and rehabilitation centres.

Future generations

Chief executive Tony Bell said: "Today's decision brings our vision of transforming the Royal a step closer to reality.

"Ultimately, a new hospital would provide us with the ability to create an excellent, modern environment for clinical care and deliver a vastly improved patient experience."

The new hospital is expected to take four years to build once work starts in 2010.

Once the old 1970s building is demolished, which itself is expected to take a further three years, space will be freed for as yet unspecified "future healthcare developments", the trust said.

It also plans to keep disruption to the local community and existing services to a minimum during the massive rebuilding programme.

Council leader Warren Bradley said the decision would bring "massive benefits to the health and well-being of future generations of Liverpool people".

The current Royal Liverpool opened in 1978 and the trust has previously said it would need major refurbishment in the next few years if kept open.

BBC Liverpool

[Espresso Bar]

Something like the University College Hospital London would be good

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/01/66/016601_93450a50.jpg

http://www.cableflow.com/images/uclh.jpg

[Kev]

RESULTS from the consultation phase for a new ?477m Liverpool hospital have been announced and approved. Read (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2008/12/16/royal-hospital-plans-come-under-attack-64375-22484178/)

[The Dead Cat]

Hang on, how will it take 10 years to build a new hospital? That seems a little bit long!

[drone_pilot]

Hang on, how will it take 10 years to build a new hospital? That seems a little bit long!

About the average waiting time in casualty. :PDT11

[fortinian]

Does anyone remember the name of the church that was torn down on Prescot Rd to make way for the then new hospital? Or even beter have any pics.

Do you mean St Judes?

PhilG has this rather nice picture of it from the LRO -

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

Which is the most common one, but there is also a photo knocking around of it somewhere...

Very interesting Church, built in 1834, supposedly out of stone donated by Joseph Williamson, the King of Edge Hill. It also supposedly had a very ornate alter piece, possibly by an Italian Master, but no-one knows what happened to it.