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Its the Derby next Saturday, in no particular here's my top ten favourite moments from my own derby experiences.
1 Gary McAllisters 44 yard free kick
2 Robbie Fowler sniffing the line 1998-9.
3 the 86 cup final
4 Ian rush's winner in the 1986-7 League Cup quarter final
5 Ian Rush equalling Dixie Deans derby goals record 1987.
6 Nick Barmby's header in 2000-01
7 Kenny Dalglish's goal 15 seconds into the 85-6 Goodison derby
8 the 89 cup final
9 Riise's goal in 2001-2
10 the unity shown after Hillsborough at Goodison in 1989
and my top ten worst (again in no particular order)....
Sharps 35 yarder at Anfield in 1985
Grobbelaars cock up in the 1985-6 Anfield game (Ratcliffe I think it was who was the beneficiary)
Last seasons 3-0
Kvarme and Ruddock getting made a fool of by Cadamarteri in 1987-8
Everton ending the 29 game unbeaten run of 1987-8
Losing at Goodison in 1984-5, just after Everton had been crowned champions
Carsleys winner in 2004-5 and the chants of "Rafa Beneathus"
Kanchelski's Anfield double in 1995-6
The 2-0 Goodison defeat of 1993-4, when Grobbelaar and McManaman were fighting after one of the goals
Everton's Anfield 1-0 win of 1999-00 and us ending up with Staunton in goal.
scouse mouse
10-15-2007, 07:39 AM
Its the Derby next Saturday, in no particular here's my top ten favourite moments from my own derby experiences.
1 Gary McAllisters 44 yard free kick
2 Robbie Fowler sniffing the line 1998-9.
3 the 86 cup final
4 Ian rush's winner in the 1986-7 League Cup quarter final
5 Ian Rush equalling Dixie Deans derby goals record 1987.
6 Nick Barmby's header in 2000-01
7 Kenny Dalglish's goal 15 seconds into the 85-6 Goodison derby
8 the 89 cup final
9 Riise's goal in 2001-2
10 the unity shown after Hillsborough at Goodison in 1989
Coming back from 2 goals down to win 3-2 in 1970.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Sandy Brown's OG.:eek:
Trouncing Everton 5-0 at Goodison and Rushies 4 goals in the same game.:)
Phil Neville's OG:rolleyes:
Winning an FA Cup tie 4-0 at Goodison when we were in Div 2 and Everton in Div 1.:handclap:
Emlyn's song in 1977.:unibrow:
Roger Hunt and Ray Wilson doing a lap of honour at the 1966 Charity Shield with the League, the Cup and the World Cup.:handclap:
Some great ones there, some I'd rather forget amongst them too :)
Gnomie
10-15-2007, 11:38 AM
Andy King cracker:PDT11
Last seasons 3-0 thumping :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Sharps anfield stunner :)
Radcliffe scoring with a pass:unibrow:
1989 cup final :hug: all together
Paul D
10-15-2007, 12:31 PM
I think coming from behind 4 times in the 4-4 draw at Goodison was a bit special,winning the replay helped too.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Referees either being helped by replay, earpiece or video technology, eye tested more often to stop it making it look like they'd been handed brown envelopes at half time or trained properly to interpret the rules how the governing bodies have laid down the law. I can think of the Liverpool penalty decision where it was just two committed athletes in full flow with not a tackle committed (inside the box anyway), the Gerrard getting Hibbert sent off, The unpunished Carragher mouthing off to the ref throughout, the Kuyt airbound two footed lunge, the 2 'penalties' that Lescott should have had for bear hugging strangulation pull backs. Six decisions there going only to one team which smacks of gross incompetance by the ref who couldn't have been any closer to any of them, that cannot be argued against because even all the pundits and papers agree.
Gnomie
10-21-2007, 01:10 PM
Ged you bitter bluenose:)
ChrisGeorge
10-21-2007, 01:16 PM
Ged you bitter bluenose:)
I was going to say the same thing. :rolleyes: Of course there might be something to the idea that Rob Styles was making up for messing up in the penalty decision that allowed Chelsea to draw level at 1-1 earlier in the season, which led to him being suspended for several games. Another argument to bring in the VideoRef. :PDT11
Well I don't think that Mark Clattenberg should be making up for any mess that Rob Styles makes ;)
ChrisGeorge
10-21-2007, 02:17 PM
Well I don't think that Mark Clattenberg should be making up for any mess that Rob Styles makes ;)
Aaaargh, stupid me. Yes the referee yesterday was referee Mark Clattenburg. Somehow, I thought it was Rob Styles again. In any case, key word "Rob" eh?
Chris
Gnomie
10-21-2007, 02:27 PM
Well I don't think that Mark Clattenberg should be making up for any mess that Rob Styles makes ;)
me too
jon_hall
10-21-2007, 03:04 PM
Makes up for the fouls commited last season that you got away with. No special DVD's being released this time then?
Waterways
10-21-2007, 07:32 PM
Liverpool won the title in 1964. At the start of the 64-65 season they were going to trounce everyone. They met Everton at Anfield. I was a small kid and was in the Anfield Rd end. Both teams ran out to the Z-cars theme - yes they did!!! Then Everton thumped them 4-0. What a day!!!
The 1967 Alan Ball, travesty of justice, 1-0 FA Cup win at Goodison. Shown to 40,000 at Anfiield via TV screens and 65,000 at GP.
Makes up for the fouls commited last season that you got away with. No special DVD's being released this time then?
You'll have to be a bit more specific than that please?
Do you mean referee boss Keith Hackett admitting that Everton should have been awarded more pens because of the number of times Johnson was upended but refs turned a blind eye to it after Wenger the whinger and the dope who got relegated with Sheff Utd moaned he was diving when he wasn't. Still, if you're happy with pens as long as none ever get awarded against you then so be it. :rolleyes:
Liverpool won the title in 1964. At the start of the 64-65 season they were going to trounce everyone. They met Everton at Anfield. I was a small kid and was in the Anfield Rd end. Both teams ran out to the Z-cars theme - yes they did!!! Then Everton thumped them 4-0. What a day!!!
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Liverpool got their revenge the following season though, 5-0 at Anfield
jon_hall
10-22-2007, 11:32 PM
You'll have to be a bit more specific than that please?
Do you mean referee boss Keith Hackett admitting that Everton should have been awarded more pens because of the number of times Johnson was upended but refs turned a blind eye to it after Wenger the whinger and the dope who got relegated with Sheff Utd moaned he was diving when he wasn't. Still, if you're happy with pens as long as none ever get awarded against you then so be it. :rolleyes:
How many pens have Liverpool conceded this season. Chelsea one for instance.
Maybe if Johnson could learn to actually not fall over every time someone goes near him he might get more pens given.
What goes around comes around. We got our luck on Saturday to make up for the lucky decisions you got in the corresponding game last season. If you can't admit that we were lucky and you were last season then no point in continuing the discussion.
Waterways
10-22-2007, 11:42 PM
Liverpool got their revenge the following season though, 5-0 at Anfield
Everton also won the GP game 2-0.
How many pens have Liverpool conceded this season. Chelsea one for instance.
Maybe if Johnson could learn to actually not fall over every time someone goes near him he might get more pens given.
What goes around comes around. We got our luck on Saturday to make up for the lucky decisions you got in the corresponding game last season. If you can't admit that we were lucky and you were last season then no point in continuing the discussion.
Of course it's swings and roundabouts but trying to call a 3-0 win - lucky - then we could say your 5 - 0 when on loan Keeley was sent off after 15 mins contributed greatly to that score line and where would it end - ok, so we won 1 - 0 last season then. The thing is, these decisions seems to go against us when it results in a differing scoreline - when these bad decisions don't alter the scoreline, no one cares. For instance if we'd still won 2-1 or at least got a draw at 1-1 or 2-2, there wouldn't be a moan but there's no doubt that the officiating last saturday contributed, even decided the scoreline. Btw - Keith Hackett has vindicated this somewhat - albeit too late by his comments last night (see the Mark Clattenberg thread) and the ref has been suspended from officiating in the prem this weekend which will give him some time to spend his brown envelope.
The worrying thing is, Clattenberg is going against vast popular public and pundit opinion including Hansen, Lawrenson, Redknapp etc by still delcaring he was right having looked at all the incidents again. It would be palletable if he'd just have said, having looked again, I can see that I was a bit unsighted there and I got that one wrong - he'd gain a lot more respect for that.
A.D.W
10-23-2007, 10:59 AM
Liverpool need to 'bribe' a referee to beat Everton, Ged? I don't think so, young squire!!
Well they weren't doing so well until Marky put his red tinted glasses on :unibrow:
Waterways
10-23-2007, 11:10 AM
Liverpool need to 'bribe' a referee to beat Everton, Ged? I don't think so, young squire!!
In the past 30 years there have been many controversial incidents in derby matches - all have gone Liverpool's way. The point, that underhanded means can only be suspected.
A.D.W
10-23-2007, 11:11 AM
Well they weren't doing so well until Marky put his red tinted glasses on :unibrow:
Indeed!!
:)
There was a very interesting point made last night regarding Clattenberg being one of the invited referees on the Asia Tour that Liverpool was on. Alan Jackson cut the call short much to some peoples annoyance - we can't say too much on that were his only words then muttering something to his studio guests about is there favouritism. One chap then said the popularity of the prem abroad and certainly in Asia depends on the 'big four' spenders (we know who they are) remaining in the top four places. Even when Everton gatecrashed 4th place, a place was still found for one LFC even though the rules (rightly or wrong and wrongly in my opinion) should have prevented the holders from re-appearing in it that season. ;)
A.D.W
10-23-2007, 11:52 AM
In the past 30 years there have been many controversial incidents in derby matches - all have gone Liverpool's way. The point, that underhanded means can only be suspected.
Huh?! Let the forum know of every single controversial incident in the last 30 years of derby matches that 'went' Liverpool's way and then I shall make my mind up, young ragamuffin.
Whilst I don't go in for conspiracy theories and hidden agendas (although saturdays was not very well hidden - even from the ex Lfc pundit contingent) it's not so much how many has there been but the ones that have been most contentious have proven very costly because of the games/results importance.
Clive Thomas disallowed a perfectly good goal even to the point of Clemence holding his head and the rest of the lfc players looking to the floor in disdain thinking it was a perfectly good Bryan Hamilton goal - and it was. Thomas would not, in fact could not give a satisfactory explaination - he later gave two different versions of accounts. The most probably reason was a LFC v Man Utd final was the showcase that everyone wanted in 1977.
Graham Poll disallowed a goal in very iffy circumstances when Westerveld kicked the ball out of his area only to hit Don Hutchison on the back of the head and go into the net. Poll firstly blew up saying it was final whistle before the ball hit the net then changed his mind to say Hutchison had not retreated sufficiently from the box awarding lfc a free kick then quickly blowing up for full time. 1) Hutchison had retreated and had his back to the goal. 2) Westerveld played the goalkick - why, if he didn't think Hutchison had not retreated far enough. Poppycock - all of it.
By the way. imho. I think if a player hand balls on the line as Neville did, that should be awarded as a goal otherwise the disadvantage is lost if the pen taker misses.
Not a lfc involvement but it comes to something when even Mr Perfect Collina was later ruled to have disallowed a perfectly good Duncan Ferguson goal against Villereal who then went onto progress to the later stages in Europe. Only the very best can seemingly get it wrong against us too - but it's not a conspiracy theory - honest.
In contrast. Liverpool can score a league cup final winner when Sammy Lee lies on the floor in an offside position in front of the goalie for Dalglish's goal but somehow isn't interfering with play and Alan Hansen can handle Adrian Heath's goalbound effort on the line in the 84 milk cup final which 100,000 people witnessed except for the referree - enough for now I think.
I'd also add though. Would any of the 'big 4' have 2 penalties awarded against them at home and see 2 perfectly good shouts of their own not awarded - if so - details of when please.
Simon
10-23-2007, 12:29 PM
How many pens have Liverpool conceded this season. Chelsea one for instance.
Maybe if Johnson could learn to actually not fall over every time someone goes near him he might get more pens given.
What goes around comes around. We got our luck on Saturday to make up for the lucky decisions you got in the corresponding game last season. If you can't admit that we were lucky and you were last season then no point in continuing the discussion.
Yes, and what happened after LFC conceded the penalty to Chelsea? The full weight of the complaints from 'the most popular club in the world' started and the referee was suspended.
The comments about Johnson are a tired old cliche which have been shown to be wrong. It makes me laugh to hear this coming from a supporter of a team which included Owen! And for the record, check out the video of Gerrard's numerous dives on You Tube.
I agree, luck comes in ebbs and flows, but to suggest that last season's 3-0 was lucky is laughable. But we were unlucky this season (maybe that will change at Anfield eh? No, I won't be holding my breath either) because we got a referee who allowed himself to be influenced by a player (Hibbert's yellow turning to a red card) decided that Kuyt's lunge at Neville was the equivalent of booting the ball away and allowed the constant toadying of Carragher (is there a bigger creep and lickspittle in the game?) to influence his decision not to award Lescott a foul. What it boils down to is bottle really. That ref was spineless. It would have took guts to award the penalty in the last seconds. It's negating responsibility reminscent of Poll's when he wrongly disallowed Hutchison a goal when Westeveld kicked it against him. Itt's easy to make the obvious decisions, like Neville's red card, but spineless in the extreme to deny Lescott's penalty.
Waterways
10-23-2007, 12:58 PM
Clive Thomas disallowed a perfectly good goal even to the point of Clemence holding his head and the rest of the lfc players looking to the floor in disdain thinking it was a perfectly good Bryan Hamilton goal - and it was. Thomas would not, in fact could not give a satisfactory explaination - he later gave two different versions of accounts.
I was directly behind that goal. It was full of Kopites. Along with me, none knew why the goal had been disallowed. Hamilton hit the ball with his hip.
By the way. imho. I think if a player hand balls on the line as Neville did, that should be awarded as a goal otherwise the disadvantage is lost if the pen taker misses.
The ball MUST go over the line for a goal to be given. I'm not sure, the only concession with a penalty is that even if time is up, the kick will be taken.
Not a lfc involvement but it comes to something when even Mr Perfect Collina was later ruled to have disallowed a perfectly good Duncan Ferguson goal against Villereal who then went onto progress to the later stages in Europe. Only the very best can seemingly get it wrong against us too - but it's not a conspiracy theory - honest.
It was Collina's last game too. At that time England had 5 teams in the CL, while Spain and the likes 2. 5 teams? A no, no. A few must go early on, whether they like it or not - preferably the least known teams.
and Alan Hansen can handle Adrian Heath's goalbound effort on the line in the 84 milk cup final which 100,000 people witnessed except for the referee - enough for now I think.
A whole book can be written about derby game decisions going against Everton over 30 years. I can't think on one controversial incident going against Liverpool.
The comments about Johnson are a tired old cliche which have been shown to be wrong. It makes me laugh to hear this coming from a supporter of a team which included Owen! And for the record, check out the video of Gerrard's numerous dives on You Tube.
Didn't know about those youtube vids so took a look and was surprised (or was I) to see so many dives against Everton and so many by Gerrard and we say talk about the devil - point proved I think and yet he's such a good player :rolleyes:
Talking of handballs too - who can forget Henchoz in the F.A. Cup final against Arsenal - yet another big match decision.
There's that many - I'm off to write a book.
In contrast. Liverpool can score a league cup final winner when Sammy Lee lies on the floor in an offside position in front of the goalie
It wasnt the winner, West Ham equalised in injury time. We needed a replay to win that final:PDT10
Ok - so you should have lost then - even better ;)
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