Tarffic Accident

[Marty1]

Me niece had a traffic accident in August this year. There were no injuries and only minor damage to both vehicles. Neither accept responsibility for this accident so she continued to go through her insurance company to get her motor fixed. She has now received a Solicitors letter from the other party claimimg that she was negligent and that they have been instructed to issue proceedings against her. They want her to send a copy of this letter to her insurance company and requested her insurance details within seven days and they point out that she is required to do so by legislation.

What I want to know is, are Solicitors entitled by law to make a request of your insurance details within the seven day period. My niece could have sent the same letter to the other party as no one accepts liability and there were no witnesses, am I right to tell her they don't have the right to request this information as if it's a forgone conclusion.


Any advice would be appreciated !

[Oudeis]

First off. As she is in contact with her insurers about this why does she not call whoever is dealing with this and ask them?
Why was there no exchange of details at the time though?

[Lizzie1]

How about Citizens Advice Bureau? if there are any left!

.......hope it all turns out ok for your niece Marty.

[Marty1]

She did exchange details at the time Oudeis, she got the solicitors letter today so she has not spoken to her insurance company yet.

Lizzie, I think I would have more chance getting through to Gaddafi !

[Stanier]

I am surprised that her insurance company have not gone down the same route to recover the cost of the damage to her car.
You are told by your insurance company that you are not to admit blame for any accident, even if you think it was your fault, that is their job, they don't want to pay out if they can possibly find fault against the other party.

[Oudeis]

Marty, you might also check the bona-fides of the Solicitor through this site...

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosingandusing/findasolicitor.law

[Diane Louise]

Me niece had a traffic accident in August this year. There were no injuries and only minor damage to both vehicles. Neither accept responsibility for this accident so she continued to go through her insurance company to get her motor fixed. She now received a Solicitors letter from the other party claimimg that she was negligent and that they have been instructed to issue proceedings against her. They want her to send a copy of this letter to her insurance company and requested her insurance details within seven days and they point out that she is required to do do by legislation.

What I want to know is, are a Solicitors entitled by law to make a request of you insurance details within the seven day period. My niece could have sent the same letter to the other party as no one accepts liability and there were no witnesses, am I right to tell her they don't have the right to request this information as if it's a forgone conclusion.


Any advice would be appreciated !

People don't always know what to do after an accident but she should have informed her insurance company and the police as soon as it happened just to cover herself and it so important to get a witness if possible! My husband failed to get a witness and the car driver got away with it which makes me mad to this day!

She should let her insurance company deal with it. The other side would need a witness to get a solicitors letter sent to your neice. It seems that they are trying it on and I hope she is insured with a good company, it can make a big difference!

I have fully comprehensive insurance including legal assistance and was hit by an uninsured car driver who caused the accident after skidding into me on a wet road. The car had to be towed away and I got a hire car. The insurance company dealt with everything including going to the Motor Bureau who found in my favour. I will never insure the car with anyone else they were absolutely brilliant!

[GeorgePorgie]

am I right to tell her they don't have the right to request this information as if it's a forgone conclusion.

You're wrong to tell her anything,it is not down to you to tell her this and tell her that, at the end of the day its between two insurance firms and how they deal with it...if she's informed her insurance company that the other party is claiming it was her fault and she objects to this then it down to the insurance company now take the next step.

Butt out and stop giving advice Marty

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There could be a whole nest of problems here with the other parties insurance claim and he/she has had to fork out of their own pocket for the repair.?

[Marty1]

I do understand about getting to involved when her insurance company is there to deal with it, this was the issue I wanted more info on:
are a Solicitors entitled by law to make a request of you insurance details within the seven day period. This, to me, seemed to be a bullying tatic, I was in mind to ring them up, but I think you're right George !

[123dave]

you should contact your ins after any accident no matter how light a solictor does have the right to see your ins details once they have accepted the case what she should do now is counter claim

[GeorgePorgie]

If there was no witnesses and no police present at the scene to take statements then there is no evidence as to what was agreed ie its stale mate.

Who's to say at the time one of them was over the limit in drink and schemed in their mind to wangle their way out of it for the time being?

[Marty1]

I'm not sure if she wants to go down that road, it can become a costly exercise. Niether accept responsibility and there are no witnesses, I don't understand why this prat is, in my opinion, trying it on. I never knew that Solicitors had that legal right to request your insurance details.


Who's to say at the time one of them was over the limit in drink and schemed in their mind to wangle their way out of it for the time being?

Very true George !

[GeorgePorgie]

I don't understand why this prat is, in my opinion, trying it on

Doesn't take much to work that one out,Marty.....a clause in his insurance has stopped him making a claim to have the car fixed by his own insurance company? what that clause is we don't know.

[Marty1]

His no claims bonus is likely at the heart of it !

[az_gila]

It's between the insurance companies, that's what you pay them for. A solicitor is an agent of the other driver so demanding full insurance info. is probably legal - the letter sounds a bit like intimidation though.

One possibility, he wants to prod you into worrying about your no-claim discount and pay cash for the other guys damage - no insurance companies involved.

If you have a cell phone, always take pictures of the other driver. A friend at work had a claim against him for severe neck injuries from the other driver after an accident. He had taken pictures of the minimal damage to both cars, and one picture showed the other driver happily standing around....:rolleyes:

[Marty1]

The letter sounded like intimidation to me, that's what got me ragged. The man is a local councillor, a bit of a mouth by all accounts


One possibility, he wants to prod you into worrying about your no-claim discount and pay cash for the other guys damage - no insurance companies involved.

My niece has her car sorted, she claimed through her insurance so that's not an issue for her, she could accept liability and it wouldn't make any difference, I don't think, but why should she if she was in the right ?

[GeorgePorgie]

The man is a local councillor, a bit of a mouth by all accounts

Now why would a councillor agree at the roadside to agree to "Neither accept responsibility for this accident",you'd have thought that him being a councillor would have had the nouse to call upon the plod to take statements? summat not right here and as I stated he could of had a drink or two and has quickly covered this up by agreeing to none parties accepting responsibility? that means he's got away with the drink problem and is now sueing for repairs damage? just a thought mind. :)

[Marty1]

The dirty rotten scoundrel, you may be right George, or the woman in his car was not his wife, god these councillors have a lot to answer for ! Something is not right when he went via his solicitor instead of his insurance company, if he was in the right then his company would sort it out just the same, where is Sherlock when you need him !

[GeorgePorgie]

where is Sherlock when you need him !

I'm here. :)

the moral of the story is.....if you're to blame for the accident then admit it and face the consequences.
If you're not to blame for the accident then take precautions to elminate yourself from the cause ie phone plod and get them to the scene however trivial it is.

Yours sincerely
SH

[Marty1]

Yours sincerely
SH

But who was the woman in his car ? Maybe he doesn't want to claim because he has a joint insurance policy, his poor wife would then become aware of his shinanigins if he did claim, the plot thickens !:ninja:

[GNASHER]

This why I pay a bit extra for legal protection,let them sort it out.

[Diane Louise]

The letter sounded like intimidation to me, that's what got me ragged. The man is a local councillor, a bit of a mouth by all accounts

My niece has her car sorted, she claimed through her insurance so that's not an issue for her, she could accept liability and it wouldn't make any difference, I don't think, but why should she if she was in the right ?

There is no way that your neice should accept liability and I think it would make a difference if she did. That councillor could put a claim in for all kinds and she would lose part or all of her no claims bonus.

This could get very complicated and I do hope she has legal protection with her insurance company. If they can't go far enough to a satisfactory conclusion she could get her union involved or that of her husband if she has one! That letter is intimidating and because she is a woman he is trying it on!

[Marty1]

I must have a wee chat to her again, I've read some good posts and have been good advice, for that I am greatful, many thanks ! If all else fails, I may have to get my sniper rifle out.:PDT6

[az_gila]

But who was the woman in his car ? Maybe he doesn't want to claim because he has a joint insurance policy, his poor wife would then become aware of his shinanigins if he did claim, the plot thickens !:ninja:

An even better reason for using your phone to take pics at the scene....:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Marty1]

An even better reason for using your phone to take pics at the scene

I'll swap my rifle for a camera then !:cool:

[az_gila]

I'll swap my rifle for a camera then !:cool:

Less legal hassle in the UK....:handclap:

[Marty1]

It's a bit of a pain as the cost for repairs to the motor can't be big, only minor damage, yet the bloody cost for Solicitors and court action could far outway them !

[grekko]

Don't want to put dampeners on everything said , and bloody good advice it has been but,

The passenger in a Road Traffic Accident (RTA) is a valid witness but should the incident result in a court appearance then their evidence would probably be viewed below that of a fully independent witness but it would still contribute to the case and is valid."

"Under the Data Protection Act revision of 2008, you have access to any cctv footage that you think may be relevant to your case, not only do you have the right to view it you also have the right to a copy of it "

You need to apply to the council concerned which will cost you around £10 and you will have to give the data controller the exact day and time of the accident so you get only the footage that affects you. They have to comply with your request within 40 days.There also may be a charge for footage provided.

The main reason for lawyers not wanting to use a passenger as a witness is the relationship between them and the driver, particularly with all these staged "accident" scams that are taking place these days. It becomes a question of credibility if it goes to court but a good lawyer wouldn't have a problem with it in the absence of CCTV footage or independent witnesses.

[Savo]

The passenger in a Road Traffic Accident (RTA) is a valid witness

Consult your solicitor,look at the passenger NOT being an independant witness,as they have a vested interest if claiming any injury,ask why if exchange of details at time of accident was not sufficent,and if injury occured why NO Police?Ambulance called,seems like a scam to me Marty,but you need sound legal advice.

[Marty1]

My niece has sent a copy of the Solicitors letter to her insurance company, they will deal with that. Today she got a letter from some claims department working for the Broker, on it was the other persons statement about the accident, this man is a councillor and you would think that had some portion of a brain. Firstly my niece is not without some blame, approaching a roundabout at say 6 o'clock she was in the right hand lane and leaving the roundabout at 12, the other party said in his statement that he was in the left hand lane leaving at 3 o'clock, the accident happened just before 12 as he had to turn off otherwise he would have hit her straight on into her side, to me both were in the wrong lane but had he been in the correct lane, the right hand lane, the accident wouldn't have occurred.

[Diane Louise]

Roundabouts are always difficult and drivers don't always get in the right lane. I find that with some difficult roundabouts it is best to keep in the left hand lane even if you have to go all the way round! I know it is not what the highway code says but I feel safer doing so!

[Marty1]

When I'm going right at a rounabout I get into the right hand lane otherwise it's the left hand lane.

[Diane Louise]

I get into the appropriate lane if it is marked but even then drivers do not always do as they should. I reckon there are more accidents on roundabouts than anywhere else! Some roundabouts are very poorly marked or not at all.

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When I'm going right at a rounabout I get into the right hand lane otherwise it's the left hand lane.

What happens if it is a four lane roundabout?

[az_gila]

Generically, who has the right of way once you are in the roundabout with multi-lanes?

I would think it's the person changing lanes that would be at fault....

If you stay in one lane you should have a good expectation of not getting hit...:rolleyes:

Are there specific traffic rules that apply once you are in the roundabout?

[GeorgePorgie]

I acytually think that its about obeservation and the correct use and timing of the indicators on a roundabout and some drivers are unaware of this procedure.

[az_gila]

I acytually think that its about obeservation and the correct use and timing of the indicators on a roundabout and some drivers are unaware of this procedure.

I agree... but there has to be something much more formal that defines what you said.

What do they use to train new drivers with? It must be documented somewhere....

[GeorgePorgie]

http://www.2pass.co.uk/roundabout.htm

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I know it is not what the highway code says but I feel safer doing so!

Then you would be the one at fault if the other driver was observing the correct procedure,sorry D but you are the driver/s that are hated on roads.

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I remember my first bike for going to work on and it was a Honda 90,nothing special but it beat waiting for a bus on wintery mornings and got me to work on time.

Anyway I was approaching a mini roundabout and there was a slip road to my left and this stupid sod in a van came hurtling out of the slip road thinking he could make the roundabout before me because I was on a moped,how wrong he was and I ploud into the side of the van writing of the front forks of the moped and wheel.

He paid the damage there and then because he knew he was in the wrong ie on a slip road to a roundabout the traffic on the main road has priority.

Its **** like this who should not be on the road as they're in too much of a hurry to get to their destination,that incident cost £150 and if he'd have waited all of 5 seconds it wouldn't have cost him a penny.

[az_gila]

http://www.2pass.co.uk/roundabout.htm

....

That's a help, but it not really "official".

It's also a little wishy-washy on which lane to be in once you have entered the roundabout - it even uses the word "appropriate" which is open to a lot of interpretation...:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Is it not defined in the Highway Code?
UPDATE

I found the official version

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338

It also uses the word appropriate - so I guess accidents inside the roundabout could turn into field days for lawyers/insurance companies...:)

Basically watch out when you change lanes inside the roundabout, and it also says follow the lane markings, which could force a lane change.

[GeorgePorgie]

It's also a little wishy-washy on which lane to be in once you have entered the roundabout

Eh!,Az,you have to know which lane of the road to be in before you get into the roundabout.

Maybe some drivers cannot fathom this out but me personally would not have needed the highway code to tell me which lane I should be in on approaching a roundabout.

The correct lane also reduces tailbacks on the roundabout roads.

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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338

[az_gila]

Eh!,Az,you have to know which lane of the road to be in before you get into the roundabout.

Maybe some drivers cannot fathom this out but me personally would not have needed the highway code to tell me which lane I should be in on approaching a roundabout.

The correct lane also reduces tailbacks on the roundabout roads.

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http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338

Yes... but if there are three lanes it sort of says pick one. It also says that painted marks on the road have precedent over the text of the code.

Great if you are familiar with the area, bad if you don't know where the towns are whose names are painted on the road. Reach a city with inner and outer ring roads (like York) and it can be very confusing...:)

Also, not all roundabouts have the same pretty shape as the Highway Code one - http://g.co/maps/7rnqt - I think I got lost on this one last year...:)

[GeorgePorgie]

Shall we say that you're out of touch with the Highway code over here,Az :snf (41):

And that link to the roundabout is no different to any other roundabout,the same procedures apply no matter how many roads is on the round about. :)

The arrows mark the route on that roundy.

Left lane to to go straight past round about and right lane to join roundabout but stay to the left of the roundabout if taking the first or second exit road and stay right if taking 3rd or 4th exit road :)

[Diane Louise]

Shall we say that you're out of touch with the Highway code over here,Az :snf (41):

And that link to the roundabout is no different to any other roundabout,the same procedures apply no matter how many roads is on the round about. :)

The arrows mark the route on that roundy.

Left lane to to go straight past round about and right lane to join roundabout but stay to the left of the roundabout if taking the first or second exit road and stay right if taking 3rd or 4th exit road :)

George all roundabounts are different!

I come out of a retail park and there are two lanes to go on a five lane roundabout! I will go in the left hand lane for either of the first two on the left and the right hand lane for the other 3! They are all marked lanes on the roundabout which makes it much easier to know what lane to get in but not all lanes are marked on a roundabout.

The rules of a roundabout George are not as easy or straight forward as you think!

[GeorgePorgie]

Can you give one of the roads leading up to that roundabout? and I will show you how its tackled in all roads.

I'll take it into paintshop and draw different coloured lines from entry to exit.

Sorry but they're all the same routine,not being bigheaded but you can have six roads and its will be the same.

[Marty1]

Women drivers !!:rolleyes:

[Diane Louise]

Can you give one of the roads leading up to that roundabout? and I will show you how its tackled in all roads.

I'll take it into paintshop and draw different coloured lines from entry to exit.

Sorry but they're all the same routine,not being bigheaded but you can have six roads and its will be the same.

George the last time I went to the retail park, I noticed a van had left by the left hand lane to go into the middle lane and I used the right hand lane and we were both correct but we could easily have collided and no one would have been to blame! So what do you think of that?

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Women drivers !!:rolleyes:

We are the safest drivers on the road and you haven't said what you would do!

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In answer to George!

5 lane roundabout

1. Turning left

2. Straight ahead over a bridge (left hand lane ) of two lanes)

3. Straight ahead over a bridge (right hand lane ( of two lanes)

4. Right turn

5. Right turn

[GeorgePorgie]

We are the safest drivers on the road and you haven't said what you would do!


He'd go the park and try that one. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[kevin]

Ruth had a minor bump - reversing into a car in our close. Nothing but a bit of grazed paint on the bumper of her Ford Ka, and a slight depression on his front wing. The guy rings later to say his car is being collected on Monday, to repair all the damage. She asked could she come and take a photo of the damage, which she hadn’t done at the time. He said no as he’s about to go out.

I got home and went up to see him as he’d given his address. An apartment block with secure parking – could see the car but not where the damage was. Rang him and got the ‘about to go out’ excuse. Told him that was OK, I was outside and it would only take a minute.

His dad came down and let me in - scratches and dents the full length of the car, and what looked like a series of hammer blows. There were a few rust spots and I reckon he saw it as an opportunity to get a free respray.

His dad blustered that there’d been another collision – unlucky fecker, eh? He said we wouldn’t be hearing anymore about it.

Explained the error of his son’s ways and that if I had to come back I’d be VERY unhappy.

A week later we’ve heard nothing, but if we do I’ll send his insurers a photo of Ruth’s almost undetectable damage, and ask how that could possibly have caused the extensive damage to the front wing, both doors, and the rear wing. The damage isn’t even at the same height as Ruth’s bumper.

I get they impression they felt we were making a fuss over nothing, as it would be the insurers that shell out. Where the feck does this moron think the insurers get their money from? Guys like him are putting all our premiums up. I really hope he does try it on with his insurers – I’ll nail the *******.

[Diane Louise]

Ruth had a minor bump - reversing into a car in our close. Nothing but a bit of grazed paint on the bumper of her Ford Ka, and a slight depression on his front wing. The guy rings later to say his car is being collected on Monday, to repair all the damage. She asked could she come and take a photo of the damage, which she hadn’t done at the time. He said no as he’s about to go out.

I got home and went up to see him as he’d given his address. An apartment block with secure parking – could see the car but not where the damage was. Rang him and got the ‘about to go out’ excuse. Told him that was OK, I was outside and it would only take a minute.

His dad came down and let me in - scratches and dents the full length of the car, and what looked like a series of hammer blows. There were a few rust spots and I reckon he saw it as an opportunity to get a free respray.

His dad blustered that there’d been another collision – unlucky fecker, eh? He said we wouldn’t be hearing anymore about it.

Explained the error of his son’s ways and that if I had to come back I’d be VERY unhappy.

A week later we’ve heard nothing, but if we do I’ll send his insurers a photo of Ruth’s almost undetectable damage, and ask how that could possibly have caused the extensive damage to the front wing, both doors, and the rear wing. The damage isn’t even at the same height as Ruth’s bumper.

I get they impression they felt we were making a fuss over nothing, as it would be the insurers that shell out. Where the feck does this moron think the insurers get their money from? Guys like him are putting all our premiums up. I really hope he does try it on with his insurers – I’ll nail the *******.

Good for you Kevin, and if anyone bumps me I will always settle via my insurance! None of this, 'I'll repair it for you'!

[GeorgePorgie]

Well Kevin I know a blokey thats gone to the extreme of putting two spy cameras in the car,one inside top of windscreen and tother back windscreen,they're both wideangle lense and are no bigger than a matchbox,they're linked up to a 80gig recorder solidly mounted in the boot of the car....well he says no fecker is going to ram my ar*se and get away with it. :)

[Stanier]

well he says no fecker is going to ram my ar*se and get away with it. :)

Trouble is it will happen down a dark entry when he is not in the sight of his car. :eek:

[kevin]

Yes - and if it's a stolen car, getting the reg won't be much help.

The gaffer of my local went to collect a couple of pizzas at closing time. On his way back he could see a woman being heckled from a car that was tailing her as she walked down the road. He held back a bit and watched and could see she was clearly distressed so he pulled in front of the car and waited for her to come alongside. He opened his window and asked if she was OK - no, she said, the guy is stalking me. Before Lee could do anything he got rammed twice from behind. The driver then pulled around Lee and shot off. Lee was inspecting the damage - considerable and it's a bit of a collector's car - when he realised not just the other car but the woman had disappeared as well.
He'd got the car's number and called the police. The car had been reported stolen so he'll have to claim on his own insurance.

[Marty1]

I have so many little bumps and scratches on my old car that I wouldn't even notice any additions, neither would I care !

[GeorgePorgie]

Yes - and if it's a stolen car, getting the reg won't be much help.

True but you will have a ruddy great clip of the plonker driving it,specially if the camera has infared leds on it. :)

[kevin]

True but you will have a ruddy great clip of the plonker driving it,specially if the camera has infared leds on it. :)

Sorry - party pooper mood.

When my stereo was ripped out of my 6-week old car I expected a result as it was under a cctv camera. The recording clearly showed the fecker, but nobody could identify him.

[Marty1]

We are the safest drivers on the road and you haven't said what you would do!

I, like you, would close my eyes and hope for the best ! lol

[Diane Louise]

I, like you, would close my eyes and hope for the best ! lol

I am sure you are an extemely good driver who never takes any chances, like me! :)

[GeorgePorgie]

I am sure you are an extemely good driver who never takes any chances, like me!

That central mirror is for seeing whats behind. :)

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I, like you, would close my eyes and hope for the best !

Are you saying you wear eyeshadow,Marty? :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[Diane Louise]

[QUOTE=GeorgePorgie;364963]That central mirror is for seeing whats behind. :)[COLOR="Silver"]

Yes and the brake is the difference between you and a coffin!

[Marty1]

Are you saying you wear eyeshadow,Marty?

Only on special occasions George !:rolleyes:

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CASE CLOSED

My niece received a letter today from the dick brain of a councillors insurance company. It stated the he was to blame for the accident and that they would reimburse her for any losses. I am going to send his solicitor on her behalf, a letter that I hope, will make him think twice before he jumps to conclusions again. Had I not been the mild man that I am, I would give some though to filling him in !!

[az_gila]

CASE CLOSED

My niece received a letter today from the dick brain of a councillors insurance company. It stated the he was to blame for the accident and that they would reimburse her for any losses. I am going to send his solicitor on her behalf, a letter that I hope, will make him think twice before he jumps to conclusions again. Had I not been the mild man that I am, I would give some though to filling him in !!

Good outcome....:handclap:

[Diane Louise]

Only on special occasions George !:rolleyes:

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CASE CLOSED

My niece received a letter today from the dick brain of a councillors insurance company. It stated the he was to blame for the accident and that they would reimburse her for any losses. I am going to send his solicitor on her behalf, a letter that I hope, will make him think twice before he jumps to conclusions again. Had I not been the mild man that I am, I would give some though to filling him in !!

Great news for your neice! That councillor is a right imbecile and yes you are right to read the riot act with him!

Thanks for sharing it with us, it was an interesting topic to discuss!

[az_gila]

Shall we say that you're out of touch with the Highway code over here,Az :snf (41):

And that link to the roundabout is no different to any other roundabout,the same procedures apply no matter how many roads is on the round about. :)

The arrows mark the route on that roundy.

Left lane to to go straight past round about and right lane to join roundabout but stay to the left of the roundabout if taking the first or second exit road and stay right if taking 3rd or 4th exit road :)

Maybe out of touch... but I can still remember when the give way/yield lines did not exist and the right-of-way of folks already in the roundabout was not set.

I spent about 5 months driving in Liverpool over the last 3 years so I am a little familiar with roundabout techniques....:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

If you are not familiar with the area, knowing which exit you want is difficult. Here's another one I got lost at (in York) that has all sorts of white lane paint restricting (I think) which lane to be in and where to change lanes, and well as "signposts" painted in the lanes.... http://g.co/maps/k4m5u

Changing lanes is the hazard, a swivel head and good mirrors are required. I would presume that the "lane changer" is usually at fault for any accident inside the roundabout...

[GeorgePorgie]

If you are not familiar with the area, knowing which exit you want is difficult.

Thats no excuse for printing out a map from Google of the intended route to the destination because it makes sense to have a bit of fore knowledge in the direction you're heading.

For instance I know how to get to Kirby from Anfield but when I hired a van from Kirby Industrial Estate I looked up the shortest route get me there as I had not been to the Industrial side of Kirby and so printed a google map out because there was two roundabouts en route,this turned out a doddle with the map and didn't need the map going back to Anfield.

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My niece received a letter today from the dick brain of a councillors insurance company. It stated the he was to blame for the accident and that they would reimburse her for any losses.

Extraordinary,a complete turnaround....Maybe the woman was his wife and she had a guilty conscience and persuade her other half to admit he was in the wrong.

Jesus this councillor was a complete d*ck if he just let bygones be bygones he'd have now saved a solicitors fee and a reimbursment fee...what a plonker.

Greed methinks got the better of him.

:handclap:

[Oudeis]

Only on special occasions George !:rolleyes:

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CASE CLOSED

My niece received a letter today from the dick brain of a councillors insurance company. It stated the he was to blame for the accident and that they would reimburse her for any losses. I am going to send his solicitor on her behalf, a letter that I hope, will make him think twice before he jumps to conclusions again. Had I not been the mild man that I am, I would give some though to filling him in !!

Well done all.

He was on a hiding to nothing as he was the one to hit her..and from behind too. This is bound to have spilt the glass of water on his bonnet. ;)

[Marty1]

Jesus this councillor was a complete d*ck if he just let bygones be bygones he'd have now saved a solicitors fee and a reimbursment fee...what a plonker.


I think he was trying the intimidation trick, I intend to show what a dick he is when a reply is sent ! It was a worry to her, Christ, she only lost her Mother six months ago so she is a bit upside down, if you know what I mean. Maybe a little essay for the local paper, beware of solicitors letters, would be in order.

[Oudeis]

Perhaps Marty, a Solicitors' letter deserves a Solicitors' reply. 'Champion' should face 'Champion' after all. :)

[Diane Louise]

It looks as if your neices' insurance company has sent a very strong letter threatening legal action, it is the only reason he would back off so quickly!

[Marty1]

Perhaps Marty, a Solicitors' letter deserves a Solicitors' reply. 'Champion' should face 'Champion' after all.

They cost money Oudeis, I can do it myself, it may have a greater effect when it comes from a Joe Soap !

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It looks as if your neices' insurance company has sent a very strong letter threatening legal action, it is the only reason he would back off so quickly!

His Statement to his insurance company said it all, it was clear he was in the wrong effing lane, a dimwit would have known this ! Now it's time to kick him when he's down, metaphorically speaking of course.

[Diane Louise]

They cost money Oudeis, I can do it myself, it may have a greater effect when it comes from a Joe Soap !

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His Statement to his insurance company said it all, it was clear he was in the wrong effing lane, a dimwit would have known this ! Now it's time to kick him when he's down, metaphorically speaking of course.

Yes, give it to him good and proper!

[az_gila]

Thats no excuse for printing out a map from Google of the intended route to the destination because it makes sense to have a bit of fore knowledge in the direction you're heading......



Great, and that is what I do in Tucson.

But, there is an excuse when you are at your parents house in Liverpool - and they have changed the road system in between every visit home...:)... - and there is no internet for your little 9 inch netbook and no printer.

People get lost, and people rely on signs, it's not a perfect system but reality...:rolleyes:

So approaching a 3 lane entry roundabout might be easy for you - just don't stare down at your printed map too much and not look out of the window...:)

[Lizzie1]

CASE CLOSED My niece received a letter today from the dick brain of a councillors insurance company. It stated the he was to blame for the accident and that they would reimburse her for any losses. I am going to send his solicitor on her behalf, a letter that I hope, will make him think twice before he jumps to conclusions again. Had I not been the mild man that I am, I would give some though to filling him in !!

Good news! :)hope the councillor gets his comeuppance soon! :009:

[Marty1]

Good news! hope the councillor gets his comeuppance soon

He will !:064: