I agree there has to be limitations on the principle of free speech, but they are already well in place. So why do certain viewpoints need to be deleted and threads suspended simply because the content is not in tune with the moderators opinions?
If we all have to sing to the same tune it's going to be rather boring. And if those with a certain opinion know that an opposing view will be blue-pencilled out won't it encourage them to abuse the power they have? I think the words of Robert Burns should be heeded.

"Here's freedom to him who would speak;
Here's freedom to him who would write;
For there's none ever feared that the truth should be heard;
Save he who the truth would indict" - ROBERT BURNS

Truth hurts probably.

I agree there has to be limitations on the principle of free speech, but they are already well in place. So why do certain viewpoints need to be deleted and threads suspended simply because the content is not in tune with the moderators opinions?
If we all have to sing to the same tune it's going to be rather boring. And if those with a certain opinion know that an opposing view will be blue-pencilled out won't it encourage them to abuse the power they have? I think the words of Robert Burns should be heeded.

"Here's freedom to him who would speak;
Here's freedom to him who would write;
For there's none ever feared that the truth should be heard;
Save he who the truth would indict" - ROBERT BURNS

Hello Michael

I did not get the chance to read the KKK joke that someone (you???) posted in the International Slavery Museum thread -- which by the way has gone off track and should be for discussion of the museum not the issue of racism.

Are you saying the KKK "joke" should have been left where it was and not deleted? I support the moderator's choice to delete it. Where do you stand on it, Michael? We reserve the right to delete anything that might cause offense to groups or individuals. We also reserve the right to edit or close down threads as need be.

In a sense all of us, the other mods included, are the guests of the site owner, Kev, and must conform to the standards that the site owner deems appropriate. This is a free forum but that does not mean anybody can post whatever they like. The site is open and available to all reasonable posts.

That isn't censorship: it is just common sense and decent community behavior.

Chris

I agree there has to be limitations on the principle of free speech, but they are already well in place. So why do certain viewpoints need to be deleted and threads suspended simply because the content is not in tune with the moderators opinions?

I have to use my judgement on what is acceptable and what isn't. The forum rules explain all about it (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321).

If we all have to sing to the same tune it's going to be rather boring. And if those with a certain opinion know that an opposing view will be blue-pencilled out won't it encourage them to abuse the power they have? I think the words of Robert Burns should be heeded.

I agree and understand, as a forum, we touch on this issue regularly. I am also aware that we have visitors of all ages and cultural backgrounds.

Rules is rules I suppose.

:PDT10

I have a forum site of my own and I am constantly aware of the problems which lack of censoreship can bring.
The mod's here do a great job. (Sadly, only half of them let me sleep with them !)

People also have the freedom to be disgusted by a joke Miguel. Enough Scousers use that freedom when there in the firing line. So best just get over it.

I Love these Freedom of speech threads, i so do:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I agree with the Mods, i really enjoy a good joke, but in the right context, i mean you wouldn't tell a joke about people with a disability in a hospital, same as you wouldn't tell a joke about a blind person in the RNIB would you.

So telling a joke about the KKK in a thread about Slavery in my book's would have got you a 3 week ban.


(Sadly, only half of them let me sleep with them !)

KEV What have you been up to.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I have to use my judgement on what is acceptable and what isn't. The forum rules explain all about it (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=321).



I agree and understand, as a forum, we touch on this issue regularly. I am also aware that we have visitors of all ages and cultural backgrounds.

Kev theirs no visitors under 18(Wallesy Is ain't he?) though.:PDT10

Kev theirs no visitors under 18(Wallesy Is ain't he?) though.:PDT10

How do you know? You got everyones database and personal files?

Like how people can tell by the look In someones eyes I can tell by their usernames.:PDT10

Shoot me down in flames if you want to.


We all overstep the line. Me more than most. Michael/Miguel is a very well informed person and from my understanding of him, he would Never deliberately upset anybody.

Can I ask for a re-run on this ? Or get rid of the thread.

The man is an Asset to Yo Liverpool.

Steven Paul

Shoot me down in flames if you want to.


We all overstep the line. Me more than most. Michael/Miguel is a very well informed person and from my understanding of him, he would Never deliberately upset anybody.

Can I ask for a re-run on this ? Or get rid of the thread.

The man is an Asset to Yo Liverpool.

Steven Paul

Never said he did upset anyone, i didn't see the joke, but hes the one who brought up the Freedom of Speech thread did he not? So thats the discussion.

Topics like this still make me chuckle :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Shoot me down in flames if you want to.



:013: :064: :009:

hows that? :PDT10

Like how people can tell by the look In someones eyes I can tell by their usernames.:PDT10

But there been several kids on here past few months, you said theres NO kids, so your 'gift' is a load of poo :)

The joke I borrowed from someone else, and posted (before it was deleted) was acceptable to British Television. It was a cute joke and as far as I am aware it toured the world, was read and enjoyed by millions, and never caused a race riot (as far as I am aware). I have poked fun at coloureds (as they poke fun at me). They thought it hilarious.
One of the nicest, warmest guys I ever met was a Ghanian who sailed with us.
He was as black as they come. His party-piece was to join us when we were sunbathing on deck 'so', in his words 'he could get white.'
Extremism! It's a word we see often. Alas, I can only associate it with PC (political correctness). How long will this madness, this departure from commonsense last?

what may be deemed as harmless fun and a bit of a joke to others (taken in context) could be extermely offensive to others, whilst the majority of us (i would hope) would not act upon jokes, we must remember that some out there may do? if you understand where I am coming from with this. we have to set standards and enforce them, petty jokes of yesteryear are viewed as not being funny in some cases demeaning too, this set undertones and values. Now to remind everyone whom is not aware, there this is a new law, it is called Equality and Diversity, I have over the last year sat in many meetings, both with council, pct, and police over the impact of these new laws, you have to be very very carefull of what is printed in forums in particular, because you are printing to the mass. Kev could be prosecuted have his computer equipment confiscated for not keeping his house in order!.
please think before you post, think about the fact that we are all guest(s) of the administrator.
kat:):snf (41):

Why was the Slavery thread locked?

Now Walden's gone.:eek:

Alright! Taking this at its face value, nothing, absolutely NOTHING is acceptable if it is likely to offend someone.
I am offended because being of Irish descent (and nationality) I am on the receiving end of 'thick Paddy' jokes. Get a life!
I am offended because jokes that are regarded as passe on British TV are considered to be beyond the Pale on here.
Can someone please expain JUST WHAT is allowed on here? Bloody hell? Even Abraham Lincoln and Joseph Kennedy are excluded from yo-liverpool. This is a madness; an absolute stark raving madness. Yes, even Cassius Clay (Mohammed Alli). Oh dear. I just give up.

Miguel, dont think that television passes off lightly, you can be sure they will be repremanded, through the complaints chanels. "in context", how you look at, how the written word could be miss construde, when we have video and audio and the context (setting) then it is how things are put across and how they are received by the many.ps, I dont think irish jokes are funny, they are degrading too, a cheap stab at a culture rich in history.
kat:)

I have poked fun at coloureds (as they poke fun at me). They thought it hilarious.
One of the nicest, warmest guys I ever met was a Ghanian who sailed with us. He was as black as they come. His party-piece was to join us when we were sunbathing on deck 'so', in his words 'he could get white.'


Here we go again, You clearly have a serious problem Miguel.
You know the term 'coloureds' is racist and offensive and yet you continue to use it.

The ridiculous story about the guy sunbathing is straight out of a Jim Davidson 'my mate chalkie' routine and the petulant reference to 'Cassius Clay' is just depressing.

I'm loathe to call anyone a racist but if the pointy hat fits...

Let's stow the 'it's all a pc conspiracy' cr*p shall we? This has nothing to do with being pc, it's about respect and basic good manners and you are displaying neither.

I haven't heard an Irish joke in years, nor would I expect to. You seem to be stuck in some sort of 1970's hell where the humour of 'mind your language' and 'love thy neighbour' is still either funny or acceptable. Newsflash - it isn't and it hasn't been for years.

The 'Cassius Clay' reference is particularly infuriating.

Muhammad Ali is universally acknowledged as an athletic titan. A man with the guts to give up his world title and go to jail in order to oppose the war in Vietnam. A man who championed civil rights and has inspired millions with his dignity in the face of Parkinson’s disease. A man who - for deeply felt personal reasons - changed his name over 43 years ago.

Just exactly what is that qualifies you to display such staggering disrespect that you would ignore his wishes? And for what? So that you make some pathetic point about the 'white man' not being able to say and do just what he wants in his own country any more'.

The world has moved on and I'm sorry you're having a hard time coming to terms with the fact but don't expect the rest of us to make you feel better by ignoring prejudice and thinly-disguised racism. It isn't going to happen.

Remember that when originally signing up members agree to abide by the forum rules.

The mods and myself will take action if we deem it necessary to ensure the smooth running of our community which includes maintaining forum relationships between members.

Although not every post can be read but we aim to.

Look at the stats - Threads: 3,787, Posts: 61,577 and over 1000 members, plus several thousand hits a day. Out of those, only a handful of posts/ threads are ever edited/ deleted. I believe that most members understand the importance of the community of members and act appropriately.

In comparison to other Liverpool forums out there, Yo! Liverpool isn't part of any wider media network, is independent and is used as a resource of information by many. This info, a direct result of hard work by members who share their words and pics so freely.

I think we do extremely well to keep spam down to a minimum, keep posts on topic, keeping it polite and friendly whilst giving people that want to the opportunity to talk about Liverpool's past, present and its future.

There are many posts that fall outside the focus of the forum. Thats what the lounge area is for.

And if the s*** hits the fan for what ever reason, then its me who will carry the can, the forum will cease to exist as a result. I am not going to let that happen.

Alright! Taking this at its face value, nothing, absolutely NOTHING is acceptable if it is likely to offend someone.
I am offended because being of Irish descent (and nationality) I am on the receiving end of 'thick Paddy' jokes. Get a life!
I am offended because jokes that are regarded as passe on British TV are considered to be beyond the Pale on here.
Can someone please expain JUST WHAT is allowed on here? Bloody hell? Even Abraham Lincoln and Joseph Kennedy are excluded from yo-liverpool. This is a madness; an absolute stark raving madness. Yes, even Cassius Clay (Mohammed Alli). Oh dear. I just give up.

I agree.
Censorship sucks!!!!!!
A joke is a joke.Ok there are some sick jokes but in my opinion words are only words.
Anyone can be offended by anything ( a red tie,a blue bus you name it).
Too much "political correctness" I think.
I got black friends who don't mind black jokes.Irish friends who don't mind irish jokes and me I don't mind any.I don't like all "jokes" but so what.
Just because you don't like what you hear,does that make it BAD ?
Censorship sucks no matter how or why its used.
Miguel has talked more sense on here than most.The guy is educated.
Keep the jokes comin mate and keep up the good work.:PDT_Piratz_26:

lol :rolleyes:

Have to agree with Kev......

Thats why i like this site - the MODS do a fine job - Well Done :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

Jacky x :)

Should members wish to push the issue of censorship and encourage the posting of potentially offensive material, then I would advise looking for another community to join, simple as.

Racism has only raised it's ugly head on this forum since somebody with a
"Holier than Thou" attitude has accused some of us of being racists.
He has deliberately misconstrued comments, and picked on grammatical
errors for him to say exactly the opposite of what was intended.
He is a firm believer in the idea that if he is sarcastic enough, he will "bully"
anybody who doesn't agree with him into silence.
Look at all the trouble that has arisen out of the Slavery Museum thread.
I think gerrydoyle is a much greater danger to yoliverpool than most of the people he looks down on.

I think Gerry is proud of his community--nowt wrong with that.

Racism has only raised it's ugly head on this forum since somebody with a
"Holier than Thou" attitude has accused some of us of being racists.
He has deliberately misconstrued comments, and picked on grammatical
errors for him to say exactly the opposite of what was intended.
He is a firm believer in the idea that if he is sarcastic enough, he will "bully" anybody who doesn't agree with him into silence.
Look at all the trouble that has arisen out of the Slavery Museum thread.
I think gerrydoyle is a much greater danger to yoliverpool than most of the people he looks down on.

It's not my intention to bully anyone Phillip.

I've made a point of being detailed in my objections to certain posts because I thought they called for it. In most cases, my arguments have been completely ignored by the posters in question in favour of griping about my style.

The thing is, when it comes to issues like slavery and racism words matter and silence in the face of prejudice just isn't acceptable.

Give and take is a crucial part of online forums and I'm happy to have a laugh, a friendly scrap or a serious discussion on most topics. But if you want to talk about things like the topics we've disagreed on you need to choose your words carefully. And if you don't you have to be prepared to get called on what you post.

Lastly, on the 'holier than thou' thing, I was not alone in my objections to the content of some of your - and others - posts. Lindylou agreed with me enough to delete at least one.

We all should be free to express our opinions but the thing with the internet is that people react to one another in a manner they probably wouldn't in real life. Just for the record I'm glad the slavery museum is in Liverpool and I'm sorry gerry if I came across as though I was being funny.

We all should be free to express our opinions but the thing with the internet is that people react to one another in a manner they probably wouldn't in real life. Just for the record I'm glad the slavery museum is in Liverpool and I'm sorry gerry if I came across as though I was being funny.

No worries mate. Maybe we should organise a group coach trip down there, I know Philip and Miguel would be up for it ;)

My problem is that I speak before i think, always have.

However the point i made about Kingston is that sadly the caribbean is a generally homophobic place---however, that in itself is a legacy of slavery if u think about it in that the populations were imbued with psuedo biological and religious fundamentalist ideas from the slaveocracy.

The Slavery museum is a beacon of light and idealism which challenges such 18th and 19th century Imperialist ideas--ideas in fact which fuelled 20 century Nazism


I am proud it is in Liverpool

Move on! My post has been deleted; it has been made abundantly clear that my views on international slavery spanning the centuries and races, and the universal participation in the vile practice, are unwelcome. My lips are now sealed on this subject (I can hear the gasp of relief).
A lesson learned on the boundaries of expression. I will if I may contribute on other subjects deemed to be more conventional.
I still bow to the wisdom of Confucius: The object of the superior man is truth."

Pointless telling people to move on when you started the thread.

Personally i can laugh at any racial or stereotypical joke, but i also reserve the right for people to be offended. Freedom of speech you know. I find that Liverpool in general is very hypocritial in this sense as Scousers are always up in arms when a comedian or a comic strip like the Viz take the mick and you hear the likes of Stan Boardman telling his own pakistani jokes backing up Bernard Mannings racist act but kicking off on one in the Echo when Dame Edna made the 'Pigeons choking on Liverpools chimney fumes' at the Royal something or other a few years ago.

Back to Freedom of Speech, should we allow the Mad Extremists to stir up war mongering in Finsbury Park? Do you want allow a Pedo the right to come on a forum asking for 10 years olds to meet him? No of course not, things have to be censored and monitored to keep the peace. If something you say on a forum has been redeemed 'offensive', move on. I would personally just point out were i don't think it is but don't scream 'Freedom of Speech'. Its a bleedin forum, not a dictatorship.

Was the KKK joke the Lewis Hamilton joke? I am not offended by that joke, just isn't that funny. At all.

The joke I borrowed from someone else, and posted (before it was deleted) was acceptable to British Television. It was a cute joke and as far as I am aware it toured the world, was read and enjoyed by millions, and never caused a race riot (as far as I am aware). I have poked fun at coloureds (as they poke fun at me). They thought it hilarious.
One of the nicest, warmest guys I ever met was a Ghanian who sailed with us.
He was as black as they come. His party-piece was to join us when we were sunbathing on deck 'so', in his words 'he could get white.'
Extremism! It's a word we see often. Alas, I can only associate it with PC (political correctness). How long will this madness, this departure from commonsense last?


And you call me COLOURED?!


A Poem From Africa

When I born, I Black

When I grow up, I Black

When I go in sun, I Black

When I scared, I Black

When I cold, I Black

When I sick, I Black

When I ill, I Black

When I die, I still Black

And you white fella

When you born, you pink

When you grow, you white

When you go in sun, you red

When you scared, you yellow

When you cold, you blue

When you sick, you green

And when you die, you gray

And you calling ME Coloured?

(An old one but a good one nevertheless)

Charlie Williams ?

Charlie Williams ?
what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Williams_(comedian)

what?


Wasn't that from Charlie Williams ? the Yorkshire Black Comedian ?

I don't think so

its not about political correctness, its about how we have moved on as a multi cultural society. Look at some historical points, such as the sad story of Karen Carpenter, how she over heard that she was putting on weight and then tradgicaly became anorexic, another star went the same way Lena, to some poking fun about say for example somebodys weight, somebody wearing glasses or somebody with a disability may well years ago have been the source of jokes, but that doesnt mean it was right. Look at Benny hills stuff funny? no, demeaning yes so, what once was is no more because we realise as a society that we may cause harm to others by not thinking. poking fun at somebodys skin colour or ethnisity in the past may well have been on televison but today we have to take into account that there are those out their whom place lesser value on individuals like this and think its alright to bash them, or even worse kill them. We can truely but sadly say yes things have gone out of context but this is because sadly some take it a step further and then it becomes the norm, everyone has the right to a decent quality of life, not to have fun poked at them due to a particular traite, whilst things may have been laughed off in the past this was because there was not alot else those poor individuals could do, over time protection of these individuals rights came in but, this has been along time coming.
kat:)

. Look at Benny hills stuff funny? no, demeaning yes so,


Personally since I have gone bald I feel Benny Hill to be offensive because he used to skit us slap eds hahaha

just doesnt seem funny to laugh at any disability regardless really. or make jokes (or try too) about the way people look.
kat

. Look at Benny hills stuff funny? no, demeaning yes so,


Personally since I have gone bald I feel Benny Hill to be offensive because he used to skit us slap eds hahaha

So you find it funny, so its ok?

Do you find jokes about peadophilia or rape funny? Lots of people do.

I'm not one for censorship

Get Real

sense or ship

Sod it, for the sake of peace I will take the ship.

He said that.

Get Real

May i ask whos that aimed that??


So no to Censorship? So it should be legal to view child porn, rape, sexual assauslts, people being murdered, happy slapping and people being beaten to a pulp, etc just like on snuff videos?

I don't and i agree that there should be a target to whats acceptable and whats not.

My remark of 'Get Real' was aimed at Walden who had put a post above.

My remark of 'Get Real' was aimed at Walden who had put a post above.

Ah fair do. I agree with you there like lol.