POST CARD FROM FRANCE..WHICH WAR?

[Ronijayne]

No, it is not a guessing game, I don't know the answer but would love to. I bought this in a little antique shop in the UK in about 1970. I love it and often used to wonder if 'cousin Harry' came home. I really hope so. I think it is the 1914 war, can you tell me??? A much gentler time even with a war. The loving way he speaks to his cousin.

It is yellowing now, I made some photos white so you can read better as it is in pencil. I hope 'loving Harry' was not in the trenches.

The lace now has suddenly started to fray even though I had it in a frame, not now, took it out. The little card is tucked inside the lace.

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[chasevans]

I think the Great War 1914-18 seems right. A pretty item. I,m sure you cherish it.
Regards,
Chas:sad:

[az_gila]

Roni,

Does the message imply a war was going on?

Perhaps it was a really nice birthday wish from someone on vacation?

What do the full messages say?
It is interesting that it is not stamped - maybe it was too pretty to send as a postcard and it was put in an envelope.

[Ronijayne]

I think the Great War 1914-18 seems right. A pretty item. I,m sure you cherish it.
Regards,
Chas:sad:\

I just love the way he wrote on the postcard and the little card. It made me cry that he was wishing her a long and happy life and he was fighting in France (I am assuming!) It must have been either never sent, that conjurers up a whole other story I don't want to think about or, it was sent in an envelope, it has no stamp!

As I have no children, it is time for these things I have to come back to the UK as much as I love them! I will make sure my old Cavern card and John's autograph plus all those Beatle magazines go home and the 1964 NEWSWEEK magazine with the four 'moptops' on the cover which I have framed along with the 4 psychedelic pics of the 'boys' in the 70's

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Man U just scored again with only ten mins to go! Lucky them

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Roni,

Does the message imply a war was going on?

Perhaps it was a really nice birthday wish from someone on vacation?

What do the full messages say?
It is interesting that it is not stamped - maybe it was too pretty to send as a postcard and it was put in an envelope.

Hehe, I answered your questions without seeing them, we must have been posting at the same time

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It is the little British flag that makes me think it was during the war

[liverpoolkid2]

I know it's going off the topic a bit that reminds of 'AS TIME GOES BY" Lt Hardcastle sent off to Korea and he sent a letter to his sweetheart a nurse he met, but the letter gets lost but turns up 40 years later:unibrow:

[Ronijayne]

Well if anyone knew cousins Harry or Nell I would send it to them

[az_gila]

WWI definitely seems like it.

http://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/item/89922-world-war-i-french-hand-embroidered-postcard-with-birthday-greet/

You have a nice collectors item....:)

Interesting story about their manufacture here, along with the no stamp explanation -

http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/silks.html

...still learning stuff...

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Roni

I would say earlier twentieth century... I am a postcard collector and it looks early rather than later (Forties) to me. Not sure that it's necessarily a war-related card, possibly just a cousin sending a greetings from afar.

It could be World War I and the wartime alliance between Britain and France or it could be the time of the Entente Cordial of 1904 between Britain and France during the reign of King Edward VII.

Best regards

Chris

[Ronijayne]

[QUOTE=az_gila;358753]WWI definitely seems like it.

http://www.carters.com.au/index.cfm/item/89922-world-war-i-french-hand-embroidered-postcard-with-birthday-greet/

You have a nice collectors item....:)



Interesting story about their manufacture here, along with the no stamp explanation -

http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/silks.html

...still learning stuff...[/QUOTE

WOW, all that info. Just as I thought too, 1914 war and made for the soldiers. I always assumed that it was not mailed as it is so delicate plus it had the little card under the flap. That would never have made it. Very interesting about the refugees making the embroidered part. I hope Harry made it back to Scotland. All the message is on there, all in very faint pencil, I restored colour to the tiny card download so you can read it.

It was in great shape until a couple of years ago when I saw the little wooden frame looked as if it had woodworm and the silk was coming away a bit. Of course it is about 97 years old so it looks fine under the circumstances and it has traveled a fair bit, France to Scotland, I found it i England and brought it to Manhattan!

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Maybe I should not have put it in frame.

[az_gila]

Maybe I should not have put it in frame.

I think the frame is OK, but you need to make sure that everything inside the frame is acid-free archival quality.

Should be no problem getting that stuff from any good framing shop in NYC.

[ChrisGeorge]

Yes I see there's a pile of World War I silk postcards of a similar variety for sale on ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Silks-/90688/i.html).

Chris

[Ronijayne]

I think the frame is OK, but you need to make sure that everything inside the frame is acid-free archival quality.

Should be no problem getting that stuff from any good framing shop in NYC.

Yes, I live in that type of neighborhood too. It has just been lying on top of some books on a shelf for the last three or four years getting dirty, shame

Thanks so much for all this info. I have often been tempted to mail it to the address on the card, lol

[grekko]

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I just love the way he wrote on the postcard and the little card. It made me cry that he was wishing her a long and happy life and he was fighting in France (I am assuming!) It must have been either never sent, that conjurers up a whole other story I don't want to think about or, it was sent in an envelope, it has no stamp!

As I have no children, it is time for these things I have to come back to the UK as much as I love them! I will make sure my old Cavern card and John's autograph plus all those Beatle magazines go home and the 1964 NEWSWEEK magazine with the four 'moptops' on the cover which I have framed along with the 4 psychedelic pics of the 'boys' in the 70's

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Man U just scored again with only ten mins to go! Lucky them

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Hehe, I answered your questions without seeing them, we must have been posting at the same time

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It is the little British flag that makes me think it was during the war

Unlikely to have been in the trenches, although possible, as the "Red Duster" which is portrayed on the card is almost certainly Merchant Navy.

[Ronijayne]

Unlikely to have been in the trenches, although possible, as the "Red Duster" which is portrayed on the card is almost certainly Merchant Navy.

Oh really? I went in and looked at a few on the site Az gave and e-bay and they did seem to know which section they were from like Air force, Royal Engineers etc. Thanks for this I was just wondering what the red shield was. I should have known as I had to sign up for the merchant navy to manage the jewellery store on QE2 for a year!! Had to go to Southampton and sign up, lol Had to sign off when I took a week off and back on when I returned!!

I know so much about my card now

Thank you for your knowledgeable replies.

[ChrisGeorge]

Holmscroft Street (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&xhr=t&cp=40&qe=IjU2IEhlbG1zY3JvZnQgU3RyZWV0IiBHcmVlbm9jayBTY29 0bGFuZA&qesig=085mL1twVDF6e_-0mSJRWA&pkc=AFgZ2tmLy1N89G9NfTpXdcSTZxwQw9HmbomC00703_bzaf ECnMShSaxfaI7xCIeWC4lgBMh5GWlEyArGQcHimACMdygXNTp3 xQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=563&wrapid=tljp1313354824938075&q=%2256+Holmscroft+Street%22+Greenock+Scotland&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4889ae3257ee11d3:0xeef961e73dfa14fc,Holmsc roft+St,+Greenock,+Inverclyde,+UK&gl=us&ei=gDRITt-oCIKcgQeh47inBg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBkQ8gEwAA) is still there in Greenock, Scotland. Although it looks as if the even side of the street, on which no. 56 would have stood, has been replaced by more modern buildings.

[Ronijayne]

Oh no

Like when I went looking for 84 Charring Cross Road and found a hamburger joint!!!

[Maureen]

It's intriguing Ronijayne, can you decipher the surname and maybe trace it that way,it would be great if it could be sent to the family would'nt it? It's a beautiful card with a lovely message. Great find Ronijayne.

[Ronijayne]

It's intriguing Ronijayne, can you decipher the surname and maybe trace it that way,it would be great if it could be sent to the family would'nt it? It's a beautiful card with a lovely message. Great find Ronijayne.

Maureen, her name is Miss Nell Frederick and the address is there but is was sent 90 + years ago. Did Nell ever get it, did she throw it out?? I like the sounds of Harry. I have had the card about 40 years now, I was in London I think when I was young and it was in a box of cards in an antique shop and I just loved that it was a birthday card sent from France in the war to a cousin in Scotland. I just could not leave it in the shop and have had it in a little frame all these years. I would hate to think Nell threw it away. Maybe she died and all of her things were given away!

Thing is, it should come home to the UK now.

[az_gila]

Does anyone have an Ancestory.co.uk account?

Their teaser search shows a "Nelly Frederick" in Renfrewshire (aka, Glasgow, aka, Greenock) aged 6 in the 1901 census.

Sounds just right to have a similar aged cousin in WWI. The name is not that common.

[GeorgePorgie]

I would hate to think Nell threw it away. Maybe she died and all of her things were given away!

Sadly life sometimes takes us down wrong roads in some cases.

The last of kin could die with no children and when the deceased dies and there is no one to clear out their belongings in their place of abode then the council just pile everything into refuse sacks and incinerate it.

I went to a mates late fathers funeral some years ago but turned up to early at the crem,this funeral took place whilst I was there sitting outside the crem on a bench,the hearse arrived and no body was present for this funeral except the Pall-bearers...this is the sorta thing I'm talking about above,tis a sad day when no immediate relatives or kin folk are alive to send off a family member,I was also suprised why the deceased did not have any friends? at the cremation...I got the feeling someone wanted/destined me there to at least have someone present at that cremation? as I was 40 minutes early for the mates fathers funeral.

[Maureen]

Ronijayne I know you have had the card a long time but some of Harry's relatives would still be alive, I think it would be worth while trying to trace them and returning the card to them, a lot of people these days are doing their family trees and it would be wonderful for them to get it back, like you I like the sound of Harry,I don't think it was thrown out on purpose. :)

[grekko]

Unlikely to have been in the trenches, although possible, as the "Red Duster" which is portrayed on the card is almost certainly Merchant Navy.

Hello Ronijayne,
I may be mistaken about the significance of the red duster on your "silk" as different units and regiments of the british army also used the "red duster" on their "silks". It appears that it was artistic licence more than significance that put different flags up as embroidery. i do hope it hasn't sent you off down a blind alley, my apologies if it has.
Here's an example of the Army Service Corps using the merchant navy symbol on one of their "silk" cards.22527 Click to enlarge.

[Ronijayne]

Does anyone have an Ancestory.co.uk account?

Their teaser search shows a "Nelly Frederick" in Renfrewshire (aka, Glasgow, aka, Greenock) aged 6 in the 1901 census.

Sounds just right to have a similar aged cousin in WWI. The name is not that common.

Oh great, thanks

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Sadly life sometimes takes us down wrong roads in some cases.

The last of kin could die with no children and when the deceased dies and there is no one to clear out their belongings in their place of abode then the council just pile everything into refuse sacks and incinerate it.

I went to a mates late fathers funeral some years ago but turned up to early at the crem,this funeral took place whilst I was there sitting outside the crem on a bench,the hearse arrived and no body was present for this funeral except the Pall-bearers...this is the sorta thing I'm talking about above,tis a sad day when no immediate relatives or kin folk are alive to send off a family member,I was also suprised why the deceased did not have any friends? at the cremation...I got the feeling someone wanted/destined me there to at least have someone present at that cremation? as I was 40 minutes early for the mates fathers funeral.

All too true. I have helped clean out after the deaths of two friends who had no relatives in this country and you spend hours and hours sorting out but when you open drawers and find letters and cards, pages of special stamps, out it all goes. boxes of their 'treasures' also, OUT!! You don't want to litter your own place and you can call round friends but it all takes a week instead of a few days then.

I am having another sort out in mine, no, I am not dying but there is so much stuff, really, cupboard upon cupboard, shelf upon shelf and so many drawers. I have 4 closets plus a double closet, all bursting at the seams. I seem to be always clearing out but I give it all to charity as when you say you are getting rid of things people will say they always wanted the 'princess' beanie baby and the Brit bear etc. One clean out cost me over 200 dollars sending beanie babies to internet buddies in the UK. lol Other clean outs also as people will say they love whatever it is and you feel you have to mail it to them!!!

I am glad you were there to see that chap off.....................well done

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Ronijayne I know you have had the card a long time but some of Harry's relatives would still be alive, I think it would be worth while trying to trace them and returning the card to them, a lot of people these days are doing their family trees and it would be wonderful for them to get it back, like you I like the sound of Harry,I don't think it was thrown out on purpose. :)

I will give it a shot but they may be the ones who sold it to the antique store, lol

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Hello Ronijayne,
I may be mistaken about the significance of the red duster on your "silk" as different units and regiments of the british army also used the "red duster" on their "silks". It appears that it was artistic licence more than significance that put different flags up as embroidery. i do hope it hasn't sent you off down a blind alley, my apologies if it has.
Here's an example of the Army Service Corps using the merchant navy symbol on one of their "silk" cards.22527 Click to enlarge.

No problem Grekko, it was seeing your post and Az posts that made me find other cards online, very interesting, thanks

[grekko]

Ronijayne, sent you a pm, did you receive it?, not showing in my sent messages, I'm wondering if I hit wrong button.

[Ronijayne]

Ronijayne, sent you a pm, did you receive it?, not showing in my sent messages, I'm wondering if I hit wrong button.

No, not received anything. I will make sure it is not full again!

[grekko]

No, not received anything. I will make sure it is not full again!

Ronijayne , I was trying to let you know of a possible lead for your Nell Frederick.
A person called Elizabeth Frederick has been tracing her ancestors via the Scottish Births Marriage Death site and has left an email address for contact. It maybe be a blind alley but it's worth a shot.
here's the link for her email:
http://www.sctbdm.com/main.php
Good luck in your search.

[Ronijayne]

Oh thank you, I will follow up on it

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Yikes, still trying, not come up with anything yey

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can't find Elizabeth

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