GEORGIAN MERCHANT HOUSES

[Ged]

I lived facing No.1 for almost 14 years and back in the 80s it was a solictors, Benn & Twyfords I think. Anyway, it holds a plaque describing it as Liverpool's finist surviving example of a Georgian Merchant House - built in 1790. I'm slightly surprised at this as I have seen other fine examples but I don't know which criteria they use.

Anyway, upon gaining entry I was delighted to find it still possessed many original features and had not been knocked into sterile plasterboarded flats, possibly because it's listed.

It was once owned by John Houghton, a distiller whose distillary stood adjacent to it, this building being the Bull Inn. Spirits were important goods in the trade with Africa though it's not known that any of Houghtons business was included in that as he put money into the nearby Christ Church which stood near the top of Hunter Street.


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The last shot is looking across to my old address, the caretakers house to Blackburn Chambers at No.4 Trueman Street. I noticed they've boxed the fire escape stairs in that lead to the main roof.

[grekko]

[QUOTE=Ged;356710]I lived facing No.1 for almost 14 years and back in the 80s it was a solictors, Benn & Twyfords I think. Anyway, it holds a plaque describing it as Liverpool's finist surviving example of a Georgian Merchant House - built in 1790. I'm slightly surprised at this as I have seen other fine examples but I don't know which criteria they use.

Anyway, upon gaining entry I was delighted to find it still possessed many original features and had not been knocked into sterile plasterboarded flats, possibly because it's listed.

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Not Georgian junk mail as well?

[collegepudding]

nice pics Ged. a lovely building by the looks of it. the only thing spoiling the decor is the ugly surface run wiring to the Emergency lighting and fire Alarm systems, you would have thought that it would have been a requirement to have had it installed within the fabric of the building in such a historic building..nevertheless its clearly still an architectural gem

collegepudding

[chasevans]

nice pics Ged. a lovely building by the looks of it. the only thing spoiling the decor is the ugly surface run wiring to the Emergency lighting and fire Alarm systems, you would have thought that it would have been a requirement to have had it installed within the fabric of the building in such a historic building..nevertheless its clearly still an architectural gem

collegepudding

I can only repeat CP's comments. Speechless, now that building is beautiful.:PDT11I might add that your past family home has it's own beauty.:PDT11
Many thanks, Ged, this could become a great thread.
Regards to Grekko and CP, too,
Chas:PDT11

[collegepudding]

Thanks chas.
That area appears to be steeped in history cos i have heard that the site opposite,currently occupied by Blackburn Chambers where Ged used to live, has a great claim to fame....no not just cos Ged used to have residence there...although i am sure a plaque will be erected there one day in his honour :handclap:
Ged can probably explain better but ,it seems that prior to the construction of Blackburn chambers there existed a street called Chorley Court and here was born a certain Mr Robert morris 1734-1806,he emigrated to america aged 13,and i can tell you if you havnt heard his name before then check out Wiki, beleive me you will be amazed .


collegepudding

[Ged]

Thanks all.

Chorley Court with thanks to Colin Wilkinson.

The billiard hall you are looking at through the gap was on Dale Street where now stands the Queensway tunnel.


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Chorley Chambers in 1932, recorded as it was about to be demolished to allow for the building of the Blackburn Assurance Building.


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One of a series taken to record the building of where I was eventually live some 50 years later. (LRO)


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[chasevans]

Hi CP,
Looked up William Morris as you suggested and you're correct, he's certainly an icon of his time. PM you tomorrow.
Looking forward to more Georgian house photos.
Sodolitas,
Chas:PDT11

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Thanks all.

Chorley Court with thanks to Colin Wilkinson.

The billiard hall you are looking at through the gap was on Dale Street where now stands the Queensway tunnel.


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Chorley Chambers in 1932, recorded as it was about to be demolished to allow for the building of the Blackburn Assurance Building.


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One of a series taken to record the building of where I was eventually live some 50 years later. (LRO)


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While I was reading Wiki Ged appears with more photos.

Magic
Chas:handclap:



"* Should that be the Kingsway tunnel?**

[wsteve55]

Robert Morris,who left Liverpool at 13,then later, funded the American revolutionary army,and navy,,set up the Bank of America,and is/was, one of a small number of people to sign all, declarations of independance!A remarkable man,but how many know about him here?
Great pic's Ged,by the way,but that carpet want's slingin'!:nod:

[Ged]

While I was reading Wiki Ged appears with more photos.

Magic
Chas:handclap:

"* Should that be the Kingsway tunnel?**

Thanks Chas.

The Kingsway is the other one opened in 1971 at the other end of Scottie. :PDT11

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Great pic's Ged,by the way,but that carpet want's slingin'!:nod:


Thanks Steve, yes it does, and the banister on the top floor needs repairing too. ;)

[Brian-P]

Robert Morris,who left Liverpool at 13,then later, funded the American revolutionary army,and navy,,set up the Bank of America,and is/was, one of a small number of people to sign all, declarations of independance!A remarkable man,but how many know about him here?
Great pic's Ged,by the way,but that carpet want's slingin'!:nod:

Firstly, may I say these pictures are absolutely superb. Thanks Ged. Really enjoyed them.

I've read about Robert Morris on another thread on this forum. I'll try to find it.

He basically bank rolled George Washington against the British. After the war he bought loads of land at a discounted price.. Then couldn't keep up with the repayments and ended up in a debtors prison!!...If memory serves me...may be wrong though...I normally am!

[chasevans]

Thanks Chas.

The Kingsway is the other one opened in 1971 at the other end of Scottie. :PDT11

Thanks Ged, Of course. The old king opened the Queensway and Queen liz opened the Kingsway. Sorry for making such a simple error.
Chas:unibrow::PDT11

[wsteve55]

Firstly, may I say these pictures are absolutely superb. Thanks Ged. Really enjoyed them.

I've read about Robert Morris on another thread on this forum. I'll try to find it.

He basically bank rolled George Washington against the British. After the war he bought loads of land at a discounted price.. Then couldn't keep up with the repayments and ended up in a debtors prison!!...If memory serves me...may be wrong though...I normally am!

Yeh,a classic rags to riches,then back again,story! He should be better recognised,I think,even if he was the enemy!:snf (41)::unibrow:

[ItsaZappathing]

Thanks all.

Chorley Court with thanks to Colin Wilkinson.

The billiard hall you are looking at through the gap was on Dale Street where now stands the Queensway tunnel.


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Chorley Chambers in 1932, recorded as it was about to be demolished to allow for the building of the Blackburn Assurance Building.


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One of a series taken to record the building of where I was eventually live some 50 years later. (LRO)


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Very good them Ged. Nice one fella. :D

[Ged]

Cheers Zaps, much appreciated. :PDT11

[Lizzie1]

Great to see inside the Truman street house.....thanks Ged.

[lesley1]

The times I have walked past that house, the photo's are wonderful and thanks to Ged.
My husband worked in Trueman Street at Threlfalls for years after he left school St Greg's.

[grekko]

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Very Forward thinking family you had Ged!

[Ged]

Lesley, 2 ex Trueman st regulars and 2 ex St Gregs lads.

Here's Threllies, including the bridge at the top of Trueman Street in 1966.


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Primrose Hill in 1966 looking towards where the brown Whitbread tankers reversed in. Primrose Hill is stil lthere today.

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[Doris Mousdale]

Is that why it was called Trumans Brown Ale?

[az_gila]

Which Bank of America did he found?
The one with that name currently in the US was founded in San Fransisco much later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America

Was there an English "Bank of America"

[grekko]

Which Bank of America did he found?
The one with that name currently in the US was founded in San Fransisco much later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_America

Was there an English "Bank of America"

H:shock:ow can you live in the land of the free and not have heard of Alexander Hamilton?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bank_of_the_United_States

However,Robert Morris was behind the Bank of North America:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_America

[az_gila]

H:shock:ow can you live in the land of the free and not have heard of Alexander Hamilton?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bank_of_the_United_States

However,Robert Morris was behind the Bank of North America:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_North_America

Thank you - it was the Bank of North America....

The Italian immigrant story of the Bank of America in San Fransisco is more well known - see what a missing word can do...:)

Where does Alexander Hamilton come into the Liverpool link?

[chasevans]

Thank you - it was the Bank of North America....

The Italian immigrant story of the Bank of America in San Fransisco is more well known - see what a missing word can do...:)

Where does Alexander Hamilton come into the Liverpool link?
Hi Az-gila,
Well made points.
Regards,
Chas:PDT11

[fortinian]

I think what is more important is that Robert Morris was the First Superintendant of Finance - basically the first Finance Minister of the USA. He established the financial structures and system that allowed the creation of the economic system of the USA and the establishment of every other US bank - including the Bank of America.
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He was also one of only two people to sign the three founding documents of the USA: The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation and the Constitution.

Here is his pictures courtesy of Creative Commons:
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Re: Alexander Hamilton: no direct Liverpool link but he did support Robert Morris.

[Marty1]

Unwise speculation led to his bankruptcy in 1798; he spent several years in debtors prison.

[ChrisGeorge]

I think what is more important is that Robert Morris was the First Superintendant of Finance - basically the first Finance Minister of the USA. He established the financial structures and system that allowed the creation of the economic system of the USA and the establishment of every other US bank - including the Bank of America.
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He was also one of only two people to sign the three founding documents of the USA: The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation and the Constitution. . . .

Robert Morris, born in Liverpool and, as noted, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, had the nickname "The Financier of the American Revolution." He had a connection with Oxford on the eastern shore of Maryland where there is the Robert Morris Inn (http://www.robertmorrisinn.com/history.aspx) which dates to 1710 and claims to be "American's Oldest Inn."

All the best

Chris

[grekko]

Thank you - it was the Bank of North America....

The Italian immigrant story of the Bank of America in San Fransisco is more well known - see what a missing word can do...:)

Where does Alexander Hamilton come into the Liverpool link?

After Robert Morris became superintendent of finance in May 1781, continental currency had ceased to be issued. Earlier, on April 30, 1781, Alexander Hamilton, then only twenty-three years old and still serving in the military, had sent Morris a letter. First, Hamilton revealed that he had recommended Morris for the position the previous summer when the constitution of the executive was being solidified. Second, he proceeded to lay out a proposal for a National Bank. Morris, who had corresponded with Hamilton previously (1780) on the subject of funding the war, immediately drafted a legislative proposal based on Hamilton's suggestion and submitted it to the Congress. Morris persuaded Congress to charter the Bank of North America, the first private commercial bank in the United States

[wsteve55]

Hi Az,
while acting as superintendant of finance, for the revolutionary government,Morris set up the "Bank of North America".This was the de facto,first national,central bank, which funded revolutionary efforts thereafter! Later,this became the "First bank of the United States",so not the "Bank of America" we know now!

p.s guess who didn't read to the end of the thread....again!:rolleyes:

[grekko]

Hi Az,
while acting as superintendant of finance, for the revolutionary government,Morris set up the "Bank of North America".This was the de facto,first national,central bank, which funded revolutionary efforts thereafter! Later,this became the "First bank of the United States",so not the "Bank of America" we know now!

p.s guess who didn't read to the end of the thread....again!:rolleyes:


Sorry that's wrong.
The Bank of North America continued to prosper using its original name until it merged in 1929 with the Pennsylvania Company for Insurances on Lives to form the Bank of North America and Trust Company. This institution then merged with the First National Bank of Philadelphia in 1955 to form The First Pennsylvania Banking and Trust Company. And this firm became Corestates which was acquired by First Union, which became Wachovia Bank.

[Ged]

The times I have walked past that house, the photo's are wonderful and thanks to Ged.
My husband worked in Trueman Street at Threlfalls for years after he left school St Greg's.




Another of a set of 14 showing the building of Blackburn Assurance Buildings in the early 1930s, this one showing Threlfalls on Trueman Street in the background.


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