This guy had put a banner up against the move to Kirkby. within minutes stewards and Police had told him to move. while i was taking the picture a steward told me to stop taking pictures or he would have my camera removed from me. I told him he was a sad jobsworth and was selling the club down the river. i also told him he could take the camera if he fancied his luck. next thing i have a copper telling me to move along. MOVE ALONG its Dixies statue.its where we come to see the legend.

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/fan1.jpg

Seems to me that the club are hell bent on stopping any banners being displayed. they are taking the fans rights away from them. it will lead to angry demonstrations if they continue this way. they could not stop the aeroplane though:handclap:

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/fan2.jpg


Bad show by the Everton board, very bad show:PDT_Xtremez_12:

Photos of the plane

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/plane003.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y94/robbo176/plane005.jpg

Bad show by the Everton board, very bad show:PDT_Xtremez_12:

Hi Gnomie

As you may know, I am a Reds fan but I have sympathy with the Blues who are upset by the mooted move. They have a right to demonstrate against the move without being abused by security. Bad show indeed. :(

Chris

The Peoples Club denying the people free speech, whatever next :unibrow:

The Peoples Club denying the people free speech, whatever next :unibrow:

The Peoples club as we call it is the fans. not the " i dont care about Everton Board, we wanna sell to Tesco or anyone else interested" Everton has a long history. Everton is a great club. Everton sadly has owners hell bent on grinding money out of them instead of ploughing it in.

Many many Liverpool fans are offering support. many have said losing Everton from the city is like losing your snotty nosed little brother. believe me we would have better luck if we displayed the banners outside Anfield.

It is a disgrace the way the Everton board is

1....stopping the fans from showing their feelings on the move to Kirkby

2....shoving the "we must move to Kirkby in our faces with no Plan B?:eek:)

3....Ignoring the alternative sites layed out by the city council( no longer can they hide behind the "the council dont care for you" factor)

4....Showing their level. pretending to offer £10 million plus for players in the week the Kirkby ground ballot is out. A soften us up jesture:PDT_Xtremez_12: They are said to have offered £12 million for Yakubu.....:unibrow:
PIGS FLYING ALERT:rolleyes: utter balls ( sorry Kev ) 3 players all over £10 million in 2 days:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: do they think we are stupid.

I LOVE EVERTON, I LOVE MY TEAM, MY MANAGER, MY PLAYERS, MY FANS
I LOVE MY CLUB.

I TRUST NOT ONE BIT MY BOARD, THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT IN THE END.

by the way...If GOODISON can not be redeveloped then a new ground on Scotland road is the only alternative.

IF YOU KNOW YOUR HISTORY, SAY NO TO KIRKBY. EVERTON FOREVER EVERTON 1878

That's just scuppers the belief that we are free to do whatever we want within the law,democracy is a lie,freedom only exists for the likes of us when we don't ask questions!

Here's a question, and I mean it seriously, if Everton move to Kirkby, shouldn't they change the name of the club to "Kirkby"? Personally I think for the club to move out of the city of Liverpool is a huge mistake.

Chris

It was suggested in the echo during the week that Everton originally put in for Stanley Park, were knocked back by the council who proposed the Kings dock whereby LFC put in for Stanley Park and got it?

It was suggested in the echo during the week that Everton originally put in for Stanley Park, were knocked back by the council who proposed the Kings dock whereby LFC put in for Stanley Park and got it?

It could have happened that way. I don't know. Why did Everton not go with King's Dock?

Chris

That plan was costing too much in the end. With only one way in and out (much like the new arena) I personally think it would have been a nightmare anyway. I don't think the council looked upon losing Everton out of the city as bad as losing LFC if they didn't give them Stanley Park - I don't think they took them seriously enough and now they are back pedalling and coming up with places suddenly like the tunnel approach road island on Scotland Road. I do like that idea though as long as the ball isn't booted out of the ground and ends up in Wallasey.

That plan was costing too much in the end. With only one way in and out (much like the new arena) I personally think it would have been a nightmare anyway. I don't think the council looked upon losing Everton out of the city as bad as losing LFC if they didn't give them Stanley Park - I don't think they took them seriously enough and now they are back pedalling and coming up with places suddenly like the tunnel approach road island on Scotland Road. I do like that idea though as long as the ball isn't booted out of the ground and ends up in Wallasey.

I agree about the potential traffic difficulties out of King's Dock. Why can't EFC just rebuild Goodison Park???? :rolleyes:

It was suggested in the echo during the week that Everton originally put in for Stanley Park, were knocked back by the council who proposed the Kings dock whereby LFC put in for Stanley Park and got it?

If this was true I imagine that Everton would have been knocked back because they didn't have the money or the backers to build a stadium in Stanley Park at that time.

I find it hard to believe that this happened though, surely there are enough bluenoses on the council that they would have raised hell if there had been any favouritism here ?

Here's a question, and I mean it seriously, if Everton move to Kirkby, shouldn't they change the name of the club to "Kirkby"? Personally I think for the club to move out of the city of Liverpool is a huge mistake.

Chris

Personally I dont think its that big an issue as they are still in the metroploitan area and sooner or later i'd expect most of Knowsley to be absorbed into Liverpool anyway. Manchester United dont play in the city of Manchester, Nottingham Forest dont play in the city of Nottingham, Chelsea dont play in the borough of Kensington and Chelsea, whilst in the USA New York Giants and Mets dont even play in the state of New York let alone the city.

Personally I dont think its that big an issue as they are still in the metroploitan area and sooner or later i'd expect most of Knowsley to be absorbed into Liverpool anyway. Manchester United dont play in the city of Manchester, Nottingham Forest dont play in the city of Nottingham, Chelsea dont play in the borough of Kensington and Chelsea, whilst in the USA New York Giants and Mets dont even play in the state of New York let alone the city.

This was posted in another thread. It needs re-posting to clarify...

When Everton first played on Stanley Park it was outside the city boundary.
When Everton first played at Priory Road it was outside the city boundary.
When Everton first played at Anfield it was outside the city boundary.
When Everton first played at Goodison Park it was outside the city boundary.
When Everton play in Kirkby it will be outside the city boundary.

Knowsley is an artificial council rimming Liverpool and should be incorporated into Liverpool, and there is talk of this happening. This came about as Liverpool Council refused to incorporate Kirkby and Halewood in the city as the Boundaries Commission suggested. Kirkby is in all intents a part of Liverpool, as is Bootle, Halewood, Birkenhead, Wallasey, etc. There is talk of extending Liverpool to incorporate Knowsley and parts of Sefton.

The city always followed Everton.

The protracted stadium move over now 10 years has eaten at the club - this results from poor club management. From the biggest in the UK to second tier. There are no Arabs waiting with pot of gold ready to save Everton - Everton have a poor image. If EFC stay at Goodison Park, be prepared for Championship football.

It would be nice to set up inside Liverpool city limits, however the finances dictate otherwise.

Below: Everton at Anfield with the city border running through the current Kop end.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/Map-anfield1889.jpg

Here's a question, and I mean it seriously, if Everton move to Kirkby, shouldn't they change the name of the club to "Kirkby"? Personally I think for the club to move out of the city of Liverpool is a huge mistake.

Chris

Applying that logic, shouldn't they currently be called Walton?
:evil:

I notice there's a banner hanging from the Winslow pub right opposite the Main Stand demanding the Blues stay put - whats the club gonna do about that then!!

I notice there's a banner hanging from the Winslow pub right opposite the Main Stand demanding the Blues stay put - whats the club gonna do about that then!!

They will ignore it of course. Staying at GP will be the death of the club. They must move - where to is the real debate.

The Winslow is bound to be up in arms isn't it as it's chocker block every home game, i'm surprised there isn't a banner on the chippy and newsagents as well.

On another site, someone is saying Wyness won't move to the Scotland Road site because it can't hold a 75,000 seater when in actual fact, the Kirkby one won't even be that big so is that a smokescreen because Tesco won't be involved (and so no money) if the Scottie one was to be further courted? Apparently designers have said a stadium of the size planned for Kirkby would fit in the Scottie circle.

It turns out that the loop may be viable as there are residential and light industrial developers interested in partnering Everton for the loop project.

The report on http://www.keioc.net makes for a good read.

It turns out that the loop may be viable as there are residential and light industrial developers interested in partnering Everton for the loop project.

The report on http://www.keioc.net makes for a good read.

The land inside the loop is too small. Everton need land around to expand to 76,000 if need be. One reason why it was turned down. That site will constrain the cub for ever and make the club a permanent second tier also-ran.

It could have happened that way. I don't know. Why did Everton not go with King's Dock?

Chris


I believe they couldn't find the £36 Million needed at the time Chris.

I am totally bemused by this 'Say no to Kirkby' movement, the new Stadium will be 4.5 miles from Goodison, but they would rather go 6.5 miles to Speke 'because its in Liverpool'.

So what??

If Kirkby was part of a 'Greater Liverpool' rather than a Merseyside, I'm sure there would have been no fuss at all!

Everton will get a New Ground built for FREE by Tesco's, all they need do is fill it with seats and glass and other fixtures and fittings (thats part of the deal )

Everton are NOT a rich club and this move will boost there coffers and kickstart the club again, it really is ( as far as I can see ) a Win Win situation, yet because its in Merseyside and not Liverpool some fans object!!

That 'Remember your History' Slogan, If he knew HIS History he'd know Goodison wasn't in Liverpool when it was built, what 'History' does it refer too??

goodison or kirkby, i don't care , it's still british owned isn't it , so its still our club

goodison or kirkby, i don't care , it's still british owned isn't it , so its still our club

Probably due more to the lack of interest from foreign investors than any lofty principles.

Let's face it, if Gillett and Hicks or the Glaziers had made an effort to buy EFC they would have succeded.

yeah, but you sold, john moores would be turning in his grave and you don't seem to be any better off. lesson

I believe they couldn't find the £36 Million needed at the time Chris.

I am totally bemused by this 'Say no to Kirkby' movement, the new Stadium will be 4.5 miles from Goodison, but they would rather go 6.5 miles to Speke 'because its in Liverpool'.

So what??

If Kirkby was part of a 'Greater Liverpool' rather than a Merseyside, I'm sure there would have been no fuss at all!

Everton will get a New Ground built for FREE by Tesco's, all they need do is fill it with seats and glass and other fixtures and fittings (thats part of the deal )

Everton are NOT a rich club and this move will boost there coffers and kickstart the club again, it really is ( as far as I can see ) a Win Win situation, yet because its in Merseyside and not Liverpool some fans object!!

That 'Remember your History' Slogan, If he knew HIS History he'd know Goodison wasn't in Liverpool when it was built, what 'History' does it refer too??

As long as the stadium can expand to 76,000 then fine. Otherwise another Pride Park and second tier mediocrity.

Everton are not rich, but no club has in their bank account £300,000 million to build a stadium. They all "borrow". Everton, apart from 4 years have always been in the top-flight. That is enough for bank to throw money at you, as you can re-pay.

Speke? The north end crowd crowed about a move to Speke too. They want EFC to be in the north end. That is what all this is about with this fan protest.

Kings Dock? EFC were total amateurs when dealing with the council and all the others parties. They were given that on a plate - the council approached them. I am glad it never happened as the site is totally unsuitable for a large stadium. It is not even suitable for the crap they have just built there now. What a waste of historic docks space which we should be living around - around the existing old quays. Some quays are now coach and car parks to bus in out of towners, so people can make money out of them - large out of town companies more than likely. Hit the link in my sig and go to the Kings Dock page.

yeah, but you sold, john moores would be turning in his grave and you don't seem to be any better off. lesson

We sold because we had to. OK it's looking more and more like we sold to a couple of hucksters but the fact was that we needed to sell, it's looking like we might get sold again soon, whoever ends up making a go of it will have to ante up for more players and the stadium, no matter what their motives are it makes no sense financially or otherwise for any owner to not want to increase the value of the club.

John. Another site suggests that well known European stadia architects say the loop is large enough, it's whether constructing bridges for people and cars across the tunnel approach road is financially viable. Also Grosvenor would put an objection in if any retail development was to go hand in hand with it as it was part of their contract with LCC that no other retail would be built within a certain radius of the city centre that could compete with their (though I don't know how true both statements are)

I also see any move to Kirkby (if needs be) as a win, win situation.

John. Another site suggests that well known European stadia architects say the loop is large enough, it's whether constructing bridges for people and cars across the tunnel approach road is financially viable. Also Grosvenor would put an objection in if any retail development was to go hand in hand with it as it was part of their contract with LCC that no other retail would be built within a certain radius of the city centre that could compete with their (though I don't know how true both statements are)

I also see any move to Kirkby (if needs be) as a win, win situation.

One say the site is fine, one doesn't. Of course the whole approach roads can be built over using large concrete beams - the Amsterdam Arena is over a motorway. It is feasible. But is costs!!!!

As you say it will be a footie ground only as the city centre retailers will complain and take legal action to stop it.

Wait until the turmoil at LFC has settled to see the future home of EFC. Neither club has a construction schedule and not one bag of sand is on any site. The US owners of LFC may say screw the fans we are sharing with EFC in a super stadium in Vauxhall - the city council suggestion post Hillsborough. Cost are spiralling out of control for a mega-stadium. Man U fans were not to support the club after when the Glaziers were buying - even a new team was formed, United FC, for the "real" fans to support. The fans are all hot air and don't like change. The owners will do what they want to do and that is it. Even sharing a stadium!

I also see any move to Kirkby (if needs be) as a win, win situation.

You get a state of the art Stadium for FREE ( leaving profits to buy new players and not going on interest fee's )

You get a bigger stadium and Theoretically more fans watching ( although with an average gate of 36,000 I think it'll be half empty except for Derby matches )

If you do manage to get more fans in, you can use the gate to buy better players and pay there wages, is that not Win Win??

You get a state of the art Stadium for FREE ( leaving profits to buy new players and not going on interest fee's )

You get a bigger stadium and Theoretically more fans watching ( although with an average gate of 36,000 I think it'll be half empty except for Derby matches )

If you do manage to get more fans in, you can use the gate to buy better players and pay there wages, is that not Win Win??

Oh No!! Not that old one!!! All new stadia have seen an increase in fans. Look at Arsenal, 65,000 and sold out every game when they had EFC level of attendances in a similar type of ground. Basing attendances on an outdated ground in a lousy area for transport infrastructure is rather silly.

Give them the facilities, the access and the transport infrastructure and they will flock in. Then there is the corporate income too!!!

Oh No!! Not that old one!!! All new stadia have seen an increase in fans. Look at Arsenal, 65,000 and sold out every game when they had EFC level of attendances in a similar type of ground. Basing attendances on an outdated ground in a lousy area for transport infrastructure is rather silly.

Give them the facilities, the access and the transport infrastructure and they will flock in. Then there is the corporate income too!!!

Yeah I know, I just couldn't resist the dig :)

Yeah I know, I just couldn't resist the dig :)

And if LFC think building a stadium next to the existing will re-generate the area, think hard!!! It will do little!!! Two large stadia in the area have done nothing over 100 years to the area, so should one magically do something now? Do not believe the hype. A 5 star hotel and conference facilities they said - would you stay in Anfield? Only once, then never again. This hotel will only do any significant business on match days.

Best build in a superior location suitable for the business of the club. - away from people's homes.

There's a hotel in Anfield rd. Epsteins. I think they do ok for business.

And if LFC think building a stadium next to the existing will re-generate the area, think hard!!! It will do little!!! Two large stadia in the area have done nothing over 100 years to the area, so should one magically do something now? Do not believe the hype. A 5 star hotel and conference facilities they said - would you stay in Anfield? Only once, then never again. This hotel will only do any significant business on match days.

Best build in a superior location suitable for the business of the club. - away from people's homes.

The scheme involves a major regeneration project called Anfield Plaza - a new development on the site of the existing Anfield football stadium including retail, offices, residential, community and hotel uses, plus new public open space.

Not just a 'Hotel that will only do any significant business on match days.'

Who would just book a hotel on a matchday?

The scheme involves a major regeneration project called Anfield Plaza - a new development on the site of the existing Anfield football stadium including retail, offices, residential, community and hotel uses, plus new public open space.

Not just a 'Hotel that will only do any significant business on match days.'


We are aware of that. No one wants to live around a football ground!!! The area can't cope now with 44,000, with 60,000 they want the transport infrastructure updated. 76,000? Get real. That will never happen.


So 15,000 more than what they get now and people will welcome that who live around there? If I lived around there, would do everything to get both club's out into suitable locations.


Who would just book a hotel on a matchday?

Those who go the match.

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We are aware of that. No one wants to live around a football ground!!! The area can't cope now with 44,000, with 60,000 they want the transport infrastructure updated. 76,000? Get real. That will never happen.


So 15,000 more than what they get now and people will welcome that who live around there? If I lived around there, would do everything to get both club's out into suitable locations.




Those who go the match.

.[/QUOTE]

The papers have been signed, the application forms accepted, even ground clearance has STARTED!

Its you who has to 'get real' bud because its going to happen?

What's happenin' kidda? ;)

What's happenin' kidda? ;)


The peoples post office are moving out of Kensington.

The peoples post office are moving out of Kensington.


Oops sorry that is a different organisation thats losing money and has disgruntled customers and not many people using it.

Seems if its going bad you stick 'The Peoples' in front and hope it acts like glue and holds things together a little longer, until you got what the management wants and not what 'the people' want.

The post office have votes too when there closing down or 'relocating' and they don't listen to what the people say either, they just go ahead and do what THEY want.

I don't know if it's supposed to be an analogy, strange one if it is.

1) Everton aren't losing money.

2) Nothing's going bad (we're 4th and in a semi final)

3) The Evertonians did vote (and it was to move)

4) Souness called us the Peoples club long before Moyes.

Incidentally, you're right about big business generally though, they will just go and do whatever suits them in the longrun, (ala - the yanks off-loading their massive debt onto lfc) all the more surprising and decent of efc to give the fans a vote at all (unlike Wimbledon, Palace, Sunderland etc)

:)

all the more surprising and decent of efc to give the fans a vote at all (unlike Wimbledon, Palace, Sunderland etc)

:)

yeah even a fixed vote is better than no vote ?

Rafa Benitez has this morning explained why he continues to play the rotation system. He says it’s the keep the burglars guessing, who’s at home or who’s in the team.

Millenium stadium fits on the site (not the island, but the land available) and that seats 74,500 so it is do able :)

Millenium stadium fits on the site (not the island, but the land available) and that seats 74,500 so it is do able :)

The Millennium stadium is joke. It is in the wrong place. They pulled down a perfectly good modern stadium - rebuilt largely in the 70-80s. It would have been cheaper to have given the stadium away and put the Millennium Stadium near a rail and motorway links. Then two stadia for the price of one. How dumb they down there. The Millenium is hemmed in. Poor access by road is the biggest gripe of visiting fans.

It is OK to cram in 76,000, but what if something goes wrong? Only a few mater of a few days ago, an Everton game was delayed because one of the local chip shops went on fire. Imagine a night game, the crowd all excited, as they have just won and they are crammed into Goodison Rd and Gwladys, then the chip shop flares up? Panic and maybe deaths and many, many injuries as the dense crowd try to get away.

A stadium needs lots of space around it to allow a panicking crowd to disperse. Look at the Olympic Stadium in Munich. It is in a park. Thee are no turnstiles, as the crowd a can just run out and into the park. Also the whole crowd at both ends can fit in the concourse behind the seats. That is how stadia should be designed for public safety.

The best location for EFC would be Everton Park, right in the middle. The park is rarely used and I believe a muggers paradise. Cramming 76,000 in that loop is downright silly for many clearly obvious reasons. Then it would be a football only venue with little to no other revenue generating attractions.

Forget that site. Think of others: Everton Park, Sandhills, Vauxhall, etc. OK, some may require property clearances.

yeah even a fixed vote is better than no vote ?


Fixed. It wasn't run by Everton but an independant body that deals in voting systems.

Try again :)

Fixed. It wasn't run by Everton but an independant body that deals in voting systems.

Try again :)


I was going by the Raido call ins and forum reading from the Blues who want to 'stay in Liverpool'.

One of there claims is that 6% of the votes from Kirkby residents don't actually live in Kirkby and that would swing the vote to a No. :)

Ohh and the 'only one vote per household not per season ticket, there was a guy who had 4 season ticket holders in his house and they only got one vote not four!

You must have read them too Ged?

Anyway good luck to Spurs tonight and the Blues tomorrow, heres hoping for a Spurs Everton League Cup final.

Well those who don't want the move will come up with conspiracy theories won't they, I bet Leahy and Wyness counted the votes too :rolleyes:

The fact is, the vote was given to a cross section of supporters and that just as easily could have resulted in a 'no move' vote but it didn't.

Remember - the peoples club weren't obliged to give anyone any vote at all but they did. A few years ago, Halton was the suggested and preferred place for a move and I don't remember this much stink.

The proposed site is a few mins drive from the Copplehouse pub and Fazakerley hospital, it's not in the outer limits.

Thanks for the good luck, my heart wants it but my head says we won't win, at least that way I won't be disappointed and my feelings can only go one way - up.

Well those who don't want the move will come up with conspiracy theories won't they, I bet Leahy and Wyness counted the votes too :rolleyes:

The fact is, the vote was given to a cross section of supporters and that just as easily could have resulted in a 'no move' vote but it didn't.

Remember - the peoples club weren't obliged to give anyone any vote at all but they did. A few years ago, Halton was the suggested and preferred place for a move and I don't remember this much stink.

The proposed site is a few mins drive from the Copplehouse pub and Fazakerley hospital, it's not in the outer limits.

Thanks for the good luck, my heart wants it but my head says we won't win, at least that way I won't be disappointed and my feelings can only go one way - up.


You only need a 1-0 win mate, away goals count double don't they?

You only need a 1-0 win mate, away goals count double don't they?

Only after extra time I think. If 2-2 on 90 minutes then extra time.

Yes, the away goal counts after extra time but I don't see them not scoring at all. I think we'll need 2 or more and our leading scorer (whom scored at the Bridge) and 2 others are in Africa as luck would have it :rolleyes:

Yes, the away goal counts after extra time but I don't see them not scoring at all. I think we'll need 2 or more and our leading scorer (whom scored at the Bridge) and 2 others are in Africa as luck would have it :rolleyes:

Have faith Ged :PDT_Piratz_26:

Everton FC which proclaims itself as the Peoples Club has decided to sue
its own fans - or at least those who contribute to the website keioc.net
( as in "Keep Everton In Our City")

The club is peeved by adverse comments to its plan to relocate from the
historic Goodison Park to Kirkby - a scheme that prompted the gleeful
Liverpool crowd to chant "You're not scousers anymore"at the last local
derby. The fans have invited the clubs chief exec Keith Wyness to a
public debate on the controversial relocation but have received only
writs.

Well, almost. Evertons clodhopping lawyers have issued proceedings not
against keioc.net but keioc.com - the website of a dental practice in
Japan."

:eek:

Pull the other one :)

I wonder what Kirkby born Phil Thompson & Terry McDermott would have thought of the chanting...

I know mark ridiculous isn't it since half of Scottie road inhabit the place since being moved out in the 60s for the Kingsway tunnel. But for the 1974 boundary restructure, there wouldn't be a problem on that side of things. The bugbear seems to be it'll be a souless bowl, and there's no reason not to extend Goodison or go with the Scottie road loop which HOK have said is feasible. Some great attendance stats appearing on another site i'm on. Even I didn't know that Everton were the best attended club in the leagues first 9 seasons and up to 1970 we were overall 2nd best supported behind Man Utd.

I know mark ridiculous isn't it since half of Scottie road inhabit the place since being moved out in the 60s for the Kingsway tunnel. But for the 1974 boundary restructure, there wouldn't be a problem on that side of things. The bugbear seems to be it'll be a souless bowl, and there's no reason not to extend Goodison or go with the Scottie road loop which HOK have said is feasible. Some great attendance stats appearing on another site i'm on. Even I didn't know that Everton were the best attended club in the leagues first 9 seasons and up to 1970 we were overall 2nd best supported behind Man Utd.

Man Us attendances probably have been since the Munich sympathy. Everton need expansion up to 75,000, as those days will come back.

Man Us attendances probably have been since the Munich sympathy. Everton need expansion up to 75,000, as those days will come back.

Along with flared kecks, platform soled shoes and mens perms.:unibrow:

Along with flared kecks, platform soled shoes and mens perms.:unibrow:

Yes im in fashion again :PDT_Aliboronz_24: