The Museum of Liverpool

[Ged]

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The long awaited opening of the new Museum of Liverpool is upon us with various local media article abound.



10 OBJECTS TO LOOK OUT FOR

by Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo
Jul 18 2011


THE new Museum of Liverpool houses many of important pieces of Liverpool history including the last Overhead Railway carriage, the first car to roll off the production line at Halewood, and

But there are also fascinating, quirky and downright weird objects on show in its galleries too. Here are just 10 (random) attractions to look out for:


A rowing boat from Sefton Park lake

ONE for the nostalgics. Look up high above your head in the People’s Republic gallery to see a green-hulled wooden rowing boat.


The skiff was built around 1930 in Chester and was used on the boating lake in Sefton Park.

Boating was popular on the lake until the 1970s when the boats were withdrawn for repair but never returned.

1920s chip range

THE small (by modern standards) but perfectly-formed range, decorated in Art Deco motifs and covered in blue tiles with a tiled wall behind, came from Openshaw's chippy in Rice Lane, Walton where it fried generations of customers’ chips from 1925 to the early 1980s.

Coal fires on either side of the range would have heated up its big steel vats.

It was acquired by National Museums Liverpool in 1981-82 and previously stood in the Museum of Liverpool Life. It has recently been restored.

Adrian Henri’s gold pants

ONE of the stranger exhibits in the new museum, a large pair of gold lame pants worn by the late poet and painter Adrian Henri during his ‘happenings’.

The flamboyant, superhero-style underwear is on show in the Time and Place display on poets in the Wondrous Place gallery.

Shankly’s raincoat

IT was a Shankly trademark, so it’s only fair one of the Scottish footballing legend’s raincoats should find its way into the sporting section of the Wondrous Place gallery.

The coat, which Shanks often wore to Liverpool games, is on loan to the museum.

Model of Gerard Gardens

LONG gone now, Gerard Gardens was a development of (luxurious at the time) tenement blocks built to replace overcrowded slum and court property behind William Brown Street.

It was demolished in 1987 to make way for road improvements around the Wallasey tunnel.

This model, made from paper, card, plastic and metal, was created by former resident Ged Fagan and is situated in the People’s Republic gallery.

Lita Roza’s dress

OH the glamour! A chartreuse evening dress with pear and sequin decoration, which was designed by Douglas Darnell who also made gowns for Dorothy Squires and Shirley Bassey.

Lita Roza (1926-2008) was the first British female artist to ever have a UK number one hit, in 1953 with How Much is that Doggie in the Window?

The dress, with a separate train, on show in the Wondrous Place gallery dates from 1958 and was presented to NML by Lita Roza herself in 2007.

Professor Codman’s puppet show theatre

RICHARD Codman first set up a Punch and Judy show in Liverpool in the 1860s, originally in Lime Street and later in Williamson Square.

The puppet show theatre is now in the Wondrous Place gallery.

Fleming’s jeans

WILLIAM Henry Fleming was a Liverpool based importer of cigars and tobacco when he saw potential in the hardwearing denim trousers worn by visiting American sailors.

In 1881 he started Fleming's Ltd, selling tailored denim clothing which would be a staple for Liverpool people for over 100 years.

In the 1960s and 1970s, Fleming's jeans were an essential item in any fashionable Liverpool wardrobe.

The jeans on display are one of two pairs in the museum’s collection, received after a public appeal for people to donate their jeans which led to an avalanche of pairs.

Bayko model of the Empire State Building

MECCANO may be more famous, but Liverpool entrepreneurship was also responsible for a toy building material called Bayko.

The name derived from Bakelite, one of the world’s first commercial plastics.

Bayko was invented by Charles Plimpton, an early plastics engineer and entrepreneur in Liverpool, and became a worldwide brand between 1934 and 1967.

The model of the Empire State Building, which features in the Global City gallery, was made at Liverpool’s Plimpton Engineering factory.

Production of Bayko was taken over by Meccano in 1959.

Scouse Barbies

LOCAL people were invited to create an outfit in miniature on a fashion doll to illustrate a ‘Liverpool Look’, with fashion designer Kirsty Doyle commissioned to run open-access design workshops at World Museum to help people create an entry.

Thirty one of the dolls are on show as part of a display exploring personal identity and the image of the city.



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Some photos of the interior and exhibits taking shape


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[GeorgePorgie]

Good one,Ged....saves me a trip down there and be dissapointed at its showing of useless tat for a museum.

Erm! how much did the Museum cost now??

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Going by the pics on the housing....they certainly don't know how to get a distressed look of the houses back then,looks like a amatuer prop from a westend stage play

[hmtmaj]

George, theres plenty more than the list above, get down there yer miserable auld.... :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Ged]

Details of phase two:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/in-the-mix/2011/07/18/museum-of-liverpool-what-happenes-next-with-phase-two-100252-29071295/


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From FACT in 2005 to the World Museum at William Brown Street, The Echo office atrium, The St. Georges Hall and now the new Museum - it doesn't seem like a 6 year journey.

[GeorgePorgie]

How does those lyrics go now.....

If you want a museum we've got one to spare.
In my Liverpool home.

[Oudeis]

I caught a rerun of 'Flog It' recently from Liverpool. The usual break-off to view points of interest visited the museum just before it was finished. Pride of place was taken by an old railway locomotive used in the film The Titchfield Thunderbolt, it began life as the first train on the Manchester to Liverpool line. There will be much of interest to see, I'm sure....once you get passed that 'triangle-town' model, that is. ;)

[good on you Ged]

[gregs dad]

Posted my museum pics on another thread never saw this thread,sorry

[Gerard Fleming]

I'll be paying a flying visit..
to see if they are using things belonging to a friend they shouldn't be..


Outsiders were being brought in and paid a fee to do a feature in this museum.
2 companies.. both were being paid a fee...
My friend from the Cavern Days.. a Liverpool 60's legend in his own right..
was asked to contribute all his work about Liverpool in the 60's.. FOR FREE..
and these outsiders.. one, a firm from hundreds of miles away..
nothing to do with Liverpool...were getting paid to use my friends important
Liverpool memorabilia.. and my friend got f*** all.

And these people.. who know nothing about the subject..
would be doing the commentary..on my friends work.
the man who was in the middle of it all was snubbed to allow no marks
to talk about his work.. what an insult..

Yeahhhhh.. sounds about right this new museum to me..
ran by a gang of Yuppies who know f*** all about Liverpool..
and have no respect for real work of historical Liverpool importance..
Or.. the people behind it..

I hope they see this...
(No doubt word will get back to them...
get in touch via PM... send me a phone number..
I'd love to hear 1st hand why outsiders were being brought in for a fee
while Liverpool Legends are being taken for a mug..)

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[Ged]

I caught a rerun of 'Flog It' recently from Liverpool. The usual break-off to view points of interest visited the museum just before it was finished. Pride of place was taken by an old railway locomotive used in the film The Titchfield Thunderbolt, it began life as the first train on the Manchester to Liverpool line. There will be much of interest to see, I'm sure....once you get passed that 'triangle-town' model, that is. ;)

[good on you Ged]


Yes, that was the Lion locomotive which I have photos of from the large objects museum and was once in the basement transport museum in William Brown Street.

[burkhilly]

I can't wait to go next week. It's obviously on a bigger scale than the Liverpool Life Museum, which was brilliant.

[Samp]

Hello Ged!

On the radio this morning, Ken Pye refered to your model as the Bull Ring!!


Details of phase two:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/in-the-mix/2011/07/18/museum-of-liverpool-what-happenes-next-with-phase-two-100252-29071295/


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From FACT in 2005 to the World Museum at William Brown Street, The Echo office atrium, The St. Georges Hall and now the new Museum - it doesn't seem like a 6 year journey.

[Ged]

Ha ha - good old Ken. One of the Liverpool Historians we are to look up to. Nice book and dvd by him though, ;)



Well what a fantastic night it was tonight. Mingling with the stars in a champagne reception including Yoko Ono, John Conteh, Ken Dodd and Alexi Sayle. Over 12,000 people passed its threshold today on the opening of the largest National Museum built anywhere in the UK in the last century.


The official invitation

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Film Maker, Author and Musician Paul Sudbury pulls a couple of birds.

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Mike McCartney enters the fray. We got a photo with him at the very end as we had a heart to let him look around first.

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You can't help feeling that the atrium and massive spiral staircase might be taking up much needed exhibit room but there is plenty to see in the galleries that are currently open.

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John Conteh, World Light heavyweight champion from 1974-78. I told him I remembered him being on the open air bus with the Liverpool team that passed under the Byrom Street walkway in 1974 when he was the new champion. He said he remembered me too (I made that last bit up)

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Ex Lord Mayor Steve Rotherham and former Echo and now Mirror sports writer Brian Reade - two good eggs (even if they are reds)

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Paul with fellow ex Gerard Crescent resident and Liverpool Historian Franny Carlyle and Billy Butler of Radio Merseyside.

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Yoko Ono gives a T.V. interview in the Wonderous Place gallery featuring Beatles memorabilia.

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The view looking north from one the massive picture windows.

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And the view south.

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I didn't quite manage them all.


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The Lord and Lady Mayor peruse my model.


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The model's proud dad. Behind me is a massive blown up photo that fantastic 70s Liverpool photographer Ken Roberts took from the newly opened St. Johns Tower in 1971 depicting just how close Gerard Gardens was to the rear of William Brown Street.


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Paul with Peter Leeson, maker of the film 'Us and them' and author of the book 'Goodbye Scottie Road' who travelled up with his wife from Leicester and it was nice to see him again. Standing guard over them are the original 'Builder' and 'Architect' statues that adorned the walls of Gerard Gardens. Made of portland stone, they were sculptured by famed liverpool craftsman Herbert Tyson Smith from his studio at the rear of Bluecoat Chambers.

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Hey up cheeky. This trio have been around a bit. Starting life in the Garden festival they were also in the Museum of Liverpool Life before transfering to here after storage - and not looking a day older.

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Some football regalia

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The story of the blues.

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And talking of the story of the blues - a tenuous link if ever there was one. Meet the two Pete's - Wylie from the mighty Wah and Hooton from the Farm.

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Phil Redmond and the Echo's Peter Grant. Peter exclaimed they both share the same barber. I said nothing :)

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Other writers milling around included David Charters, Ken Rogers and opening presenter Roger Phillips. Also there was ex Bill and now Coronation Street actor Andrew Lancel.


Colin Wilkinson - author of many Liverpool history books, his most recent being the current local best seller 'Streets of Liverpool'.

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A brilliant string quartet behind the 3 Graces.

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A pic of J.C. (No, not that one) with his friend Mr A.S.

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The not quite red carpet but slightly more pink which suited me ;)

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I mentioned to Ken that Tarby got the knock back from the opening, he said 'Did he' and I said 'No, Doddy'.


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And by the way, no, he can't say Ken Dodd's dad's dog's dead either.


Paul has some other pics on his camera too which i'm waiting on.


And so, turfed out over 3 hours later at 10 with still so much not even seen so it's back down there at the weekend.


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It's very blue down there - they must have known I was coming. :)


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And not forgetting our 100 year old Royal Liver Building who was celebrating her birthday today.


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[goldenface]

Can't waiting to go and see this. Nice to have the building finally open.

[chasevans]

Hi Ged,
NOTHING would draw me to that monstrous new joke of a building. Restoring the festival site figures is maybe a premonition-or omen. Looks like Madame Tussades in Blackpool on a rainy day. See Gerard Fleming and GeorgePorge's posts in the thread, look at the council books at the end of the year, " corporate entertainment & expenses". Could go on but I know we differ on many points, so I'll leave on a positive one, I did enjoy your model of Gerard Gardens.
Cheers,
Chas :sad:

[Lizzie1]

Great pics Ged looks like you enjoyed it all, and I look forward to seeing the museum when it's all up a running....

don't know why but I always feel a bit nauseous when I see some of the 'celebs'. :smirk:

[Kev]

Excellent pics once again ;)

[grekko]

Details of phase two:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/in-the-mix/2011/07/18/museum-of-liverpool-what-happenes-next-with-phase-two-100252-29071295/


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From FACT in 2005 to the World Museum at William Brown Street, The Echo office atrium, The St. Georges Hall and now the new Museum - it doesn't seem like a 6 year journey.

Ged fagan sat and there he thought
how well to use the things he'd bought,
pots of paint and tubes of glue
bits of plastic, cardboard too
Dinky cars ,strips of wood
assembled well he knew they would
resemble his old neighbourhood.
So to the task himself he put
working hard in sockless foot
to build a model of his time
a beauty in the cities grime
where homes of hope,toil and tears
would show to man in future years
the mighty edifice now long gone
Gerard Gardens marches on.

[Ged]

Ha ha Brilliant grekko.

[Ged]

Thronged to the rafters again today by all the so called people that are supposed to hate it - pull the other one.

Some more pics of the exhibits.

Lutyens cathedral. There is a timeline of how the proposal unfolded arriving at what was eventually built, also a skyline of what Liverpool would have looked like with it. In my mind, although the building is fantastic, it looked too big on the horizon, it would have dwarfed the Anglican.

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There is a small feature on Fazakerly Cottage homes(which probably could have been better).

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This model of Everton takes us through 4 eras. I'm surprised it's not covered by a case as kids are trying to pull the buildings off it. Anyhow, you can light up certain local landmarks and hear Peter Morris from Morris's shop talk about the area. His dad's first shop there was in the 1910s then they moved to their present location, next doors cellar which he's shown me was made into a reinforced bunker as the guy was Jewish and feared a German invasion.

A resident from the 4 squares tenement developement also talks of her time living there as well as others you can listen to

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There is already a little something on display but I know this will interest Spike.


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Another shot of the mock court, from a different angle. You can press a button on the court lavatory to hear a fella shout out' Go away (fart) can't you see (brrrrrp) (SLOSH) i'm busy.

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Mike McCartney says of his exhibition that despite having at least 3 world bodies in art asking to displays his photographs, the icing on the cake was when his home town museum honoured with with asking to exhibit his work. Isn't it just Mike. :PDT11:PDT_Aliboronz_24:


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The mass exodus at 5 to 5.

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The new plaza outside. When the rest of the surrounding work is completed this will be even better. I'm not sure if you can get over to the Albert dock as yet.

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[Lizzie1]

We were in the 'mass exodus' at 5 to 5! Didn't arrive till 4 so only saw bits....but we will go back.
I would have thought the first few weeks they would have had extended hours at weekends at least?

Anyway...I can't say I like the building much, (it might grow on me! :) but the 'black slabs' along side look awful! )

Can't wait to see the 'City Soldiers' gallery...

[Ged]

Yes the black slabs are dreadful, the Museum was open until 10pm last weekend, well supposed to be until the lecky conked at 8pm on the saturday then on the Sunday they closed it at 6 in case the overload happened again.

[GeorgePorgie]

Still say it should have been Evertons trophy museum....a lot of space full of junk. :)

[Lizzie1]

Yes the black slabs are dreadful, the Museum was open until 10pm last weekend, well supposed to be until the lecky conked at 8pm on the saturday then on the Sunday they closed it at 6 in case the overload happened again.

Looking for a shilling for the meter?!

The Chinese section is very good, got bit carried away reading all the info....I might need a few more visits!

[Ged]

Lizzie, i've been there 3 times now and still haven't spent more than 5 mins in the global city part due to the crowds which naturally draw the chinese and other foreign tourists into it looking at the connections with Liverpool.

[Spike]

Went today. Its ok. It will be good when the first floor is done.

Too crowded for me, but I shoved my way into the WW1 section. Found my two great grandads listed on the roll of honour.

I will go back when the kids are back in school. some interesting things there I would like to look at in detail.

Have you been in the Court Housing? Did you press the button on the outside loo...HA HA HA HA.

[Ged]

Yes I did ha ha <blurt> go away <brrrp> can't you see <fart> i'm busy!!!!

I'm not sure if they'll move the WWI stuff into the soldiers gallery when it opens but I agree there is so much to see and not the space or time to see it in just yet. 120,000 visitors up now - just 1M short of my website ha ha but it won't be long before they overtake it :PDT_Piratz_26:

[grekko]

Yes I did ha ha <blurt> go away <brrrp> can't you see <fart> i'm busy!!!!

I'm not sure if they'll move the WWI stuff into the soldiers gallery when it opens but I agree there is so much to see and not the space or time to see it in just yet. 120,000 visitors up now - just 1M short of my website ha ha but it won't be long before they overtake it :PDT_Piratz_26:

Don't worry Ged, another 20 years or so and you'll have managed to finish putting up your small collection:thumbsup:

[GeorgePorgie]

120,000 visitors up now

Yes, all the visitors/enthusiasm is now and on its completion of showing other sections,then in 2 years time the visits will diminish to a few here and few there and joe bloggs will lose interest.

We didn't need to spend more money on summat that we didn't need.

[Ged]

Who is we George - do keep up.

What you're saying is your opinion anyway, can you please provide the link to these imaginary figures of only a few - there will always be new Scouse people coming through, with the help of new developers and new developements seeing the city up and coming, always be new uptakes from previously outside the city. It's also student land with new uptakes there as well as new and re-visiting tourists.

I'm sorry but your negative outlook cannot make me feel as proud as punch - let's revel in the fact that the younger generations coming through are not so glum.

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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Another fantastic shot, this time from an angle not seen before and comments from more people who are liking it. As one says, this really does show how unintrusive the development is on the area. It's on a jut of land that was housing nothing and in no way impedes the 3 graces.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/alancookson/5995550824/

[GeorgePorgie]

I'm sorry but your negative outlook cannot make me feel as proud as punch - let's revel in the fact that the younger generations coming through are not so glum.

Without true figures we can only make assumptions and my assumption is as I stated its new and everyone wants a look to see what the fuss is all about,once this building has been on the map for x amount of years the doors will stop creaking as much as they did in its hey day...its a bit like going to the cinema for the new box office buster...12 months on and the film has lost its ratings and goes into the archives of the past.

I'm allowed to critique this as you are to relevel in its opening maybe you want people to see your model and gain more popularity? but I myself find the building grotesque and out of place.

[grekko]

but I myself find the building grotesque and out of place.

But your pictures lovely and sweet ,though you do seem a bit young to be writing so cynically.

[GeorgePorgie]

But your pictures lovely and sweet ,though you do seem a bit young to be writing so cynically.

115 post,that still classes you as a newbie,maybe you should get to know me first.

[corky100]

I actually like the new buildings around the pierhead - the black glass of Mann Island excluded obviously, nice enough but so very very wrongly located and a crazy idea all told - and with the new revamp and exposed canal link I really think the area is beginning to look and act more of a liverpool to look forward to for locals and tourists alike.

I know this might touch a nerve, but I can't think that sentimentality can be given too much credence in this age, which is indeed sad, and I accept that progress means new, not old architecture. While I do think more thought needs to be given when deciding how to treat palces such as Liverpool, I cant say that it should stay as it is and fall behind compared to other up and coming cities of the UK, although it should be a priority to protect the skyline as that is such a precious commodity. As a part of that skyline I do believe the museum does play its part to enhance the views.

Maybe one more Museum could be argued as overstepping the mark, especially cost, but then, how many other places have a NEW museum, dedicated solely to themselves, and their own history? That in itself is something to be envied. Liverpool has so many options open to it, I just hope that the people with the power to make those decisions can also be sympathetic when deciding what those options are.

This is Just my opinion, I not here to argue the finer points. That wouldnt be my place. But I like it :)

[grekko]

115 post,that still classes you as a newbie,maybe you should get to know me first.
Touchy!

[Ged]

George, I agree the local attendance will fall away - then will return as the new galleries open and exhibits are eventually rotated but let's not forget that we are a University city and a tourist attraction in any case so there will always be a steady throughput.

Add to that, the building is of architectural merit in itself, the shape, sweeping staircase, the views from the massive picture windows will always incite those with a flare for finesse. Then the location of it being between the 3 graces and the Albert dock, the shop in there, the cafe, the new outside plaza will ensure a further footfall of passing trade.

I would love this building whether my model was in there or not, it was also in the World Museum, the St. Georges Hall, the echo atrium, I just love the buildings and sorry if that's a bad trait, I don't have a phobia or hatred of anything new - that would be unhealthy to stagnate.

Join the 150,000 - it'll be a quarter of a million before the Mathew st festival is over come the end of the month.

[GeorgePorgie]

Ok here's my take on it.....

We have all seen the old housing photographs of the 17th and 18th century,housing that was in short supply and terrible living conditions.
At these times money was being ploughed into the city center in new buildings being erected at great expense,meantime no money was being ploughed into the housing conditions on the outskirts of the town center.....

There's a pattern emerging here similair to those times back then and is happening now ie housing shortage run down estates ect,ect...I feel they're wasting far too much money ploughing it into the city rather than give joe public what they need.

Nuff said.

[ChrisGeorge]

I don't like the look of the building and what it has done to the Graces, but when I am in the 'Pool in October I will look forward to touring the building. It looks to be a decent museum, just wrongly located IMHO -- though I suppose from the tourists' perspective it's a good location despite my griping. :ninja:

[Ged]

George. L1, Wirral Waters, New Museum - can you provide figures for what the council has paid towards these at the expense of the ordinary people of Liverpool.

Here though is what the council have done. Fought a three year long legal battle over Edge Lane which cost millions as well as the actually demoltion of houses and road widening works - all for the betterment of the car - rather like the destruction of Scotland Road for a tunnel and hundreds of tenement flats for an 8 lane inner ring road called Byrom Street. I agree with your angst of how money is not better spent but I just think you're targetting the wrong people and apportioning it to the wrong buildings.

Chris. Whilst I agree that we all have our own opinions on whether the shape, or height or colour or the finish of a cladding on a building is all down to personal taste, I wonder where this misplaced perception of 'what it has done to the 3 graces' comes about. Can someone please explain to me what it has in fact done to the 3 graces. Perhaps brought more people down to come and see them judging by the attendances at the museum?

[GeorgePorgie]

Ged I've said me piece and on an ending note someone paid and the council were involved.....


The covenant dates back to 1963

It insisted nothing was built within 40ft of the river and any new buildings would not be taller than 40ft.

The new Museum of Liverpool breaks both parts of the covenant.

[ChrisGeorge]

Chris. Whilst I agree that we all have our own opinions on whether the shape, or height or colour or the finish of a cladding on a building is all down to personal taste, I wonder where this misplaced perception of 'what it has done to the 3 graces' comes about. Can someone please explain to me what it has in fact done to the 3 graces. Perhaps brought more people down to come and see them judging by the attendances at the museum?

Hi Ged

I am surprised you would ask that. The new buildings are a blot on the landscape, they block the view, they detract from the elegance of the Three Graces. I also have my doubts about the new canal, which seems to be an odd development. I think someone likened a couple of the buildings to shoe boxes... I'd agree... undistinguished and strange looking -- disposable architecture. The Museum of Liverpool building likewise, a piece of architecture that could be found in any modern city but better, I suppose, than the infernal Cloud (http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/capital_culture/2004/07/fourth_grace/index.shtml) which was proposed to be foisted on the city as a Fourth Grace. :rolleyes: So it could be worse!

All the best

Chris

[Ged]

All opinion Chris - all opinion.

What do people think of the Crown Plaza. Does the fact it's bland get it off the hook. Should we build bland? - are we are bland stagnating city? I'd say the Crown Plaza is undistinguished - an any city building but show me another like the unique X shape Museum by award winning designers and architects. My view of the Liver looking South from certain angles is blocked by the Crown Plaza - bah.

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Ged I've said me piece and on an ending note someone paid and the council were involved.....


George. Do you have a link to that covenant? How did it get past the might of UNESCO and their beloved WHS certification. All a bit of a mystery this as it's only on the site of a building that was already there - the MOLL.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Ged

The Crown Plaza is over to the side and less "in the face" than the stuff that has been built since. You can't say that the Crown Plaza takes anything at all away from the Liver Building... it's a lower building at a distance north of that First Grace.

Chris

[GeorgePorgie]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2010/02/24/revealed-tax-payer-funded-national-museums-liverpool-paid-out-750k-for-spoiling-a-waterfront-view-100252-25901760/2/

[Ged]

Chris. There is a street between the Liver and the Crown Plaza to the North of the 3 Graces. There is a street between the Port of Liverpool building and the new Museum to the south of the 3 graces. My view if standing behind the Crown Plaza would be no more or less blocked of the 3 graces than if I stood behind the Museum and complained of the same.



George, this is about the Port of Liverpool building convenant that it blocks THEIR view of the red dock offices - not that it blocks your view of the 3 graces.

''NML’s new X-wing museum blocks sight of former dock offices from the Port of Liverpool Building.''

[GeorgePorgie]

No its not,Ged......


It insisted nothing was built within 40ft of the river and any new buildings would not be taller than 40ft.

The building is 85ft high at its highest point and is in the boundry of the distance from the river hence why the NML had to pay 750k.

[Ged]

Yes it is George, read the link you gave me. The covenant was produced by the MDHB.

The ferry terminal building has also been built within the same distance from the river since then.

What is your point exactly?

[GeorgePorgie]

The definiton of the convenant is that any building that blocks any of the three graces ie the view seen from all angles has broken the convenant.

Looking at the port from coming up river from the north the building blocks two of the graces.

[Ged]

Wrong again George.

Here is an extract from the link YOU gave which I know all about right from the planning stage.

''The covenant dates back to 1963 when the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board – which then owned Mann Island and the Port of Liverpool Building - sold the land the museum now stands on to Liverpool Corporation.

It kept hold of the imposing port headquarters but wanted to protect its view of the Pilotage Office at the entrance to Canning Half Tide Dock.''


So the MDHB wanted to protect the view from their windows towards the pilotage office which is the red brick building on the photo in the link that YOU gave - take a look yourself if you don't believe.

You have said above in your post 47 that ''Looking at the port from coming up river from the NORTH' - do you mean the SOUTH because entering the River at the mouth and coming down past Bootle, the Museum is further South than the 3 Graces so blocks nothing.

The debate on these threads has always been the 'perceived' blocking of the view of the 3 Graces for US because of the Museum but this covenant is nothing to do with that and concerns the MDHB not being able to see their pilotage red brick building from their windows shown in the pic on the link that YOU gave here.

In the meantime, here's a pic of what Liverpool would still look like if you were on the planning committee as nothing new would ever get built - arf.:PDT11



http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3797/liverpool1680.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/liverpool1680.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[grekko]

This thread is beginning to Remind me of the old Gus Elen song:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GmDA8FU9w
parodied:
"As I sat there in our sh*tehouse
I could see new brighton lighthouse
if it wasn't for the 'ouses inbetween"

[GeorgePorgie]

Ged,Ged...Ged the covenant is set out for the whole of the water front by the pierhead stop picking at straws and accept that the building has broken the convenant and in reality shouldn't be there but someone has taken a backhander in getting it in the place it is.

Have you got a stake in this?

[Ged]

Have you got a stake in Liverpool remaining like in that pic above?

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This thread is beginning to Remind me of the old Gus Elen song:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GmDA8FU9w
parodied:
"As I sat there in our sh*tehouse
I could see new brighton lighthouse
if it wasn't for the 'ouses inbetween"


Brilliant grekko and so relevant to those that can't see that if I stood on Picton Road, my view to St Goerges Hall would be obstructed, so what would I do, why, catch the bus to Lime st of course so I wonder why all these people (about 9 of them) won't just walk around to the front of the 3 graces instead of trying to see them from quirky impossible angles just to be pedantic. :rolleyes:

[grekko]

Ok here's my take on it.....

We have all seen the old housing photographs of the 17th and 18th century.......................
Nuff said.

Where?

[Ged]

I can't debate with someone who puts up a link then makes things up that aren't in it. The fine was paid for breaking the covenant that ruled the MDHB couldn't see their little red pilot building from their windows - that was what was broken and sorted. Now it's there and if you reckon you've paid for it - then enjoy it. 6000 objects on view that otherwise wouldn't be. :rolleyes:

[GeorgePorgie]

This museum would have been more fitting in the place of St Johns precinct ie knock the precinct down and replace with museum it would then have fitted in with the surroundings plus it would mean all other empty shops filled by the proprieters of the x precinct shops.

[Ged]

Apart from not being able to understand what you've written, wouldn't my view of the 3 graces be obscured by it if I were standing on Elliot street and looking towards the River?

Plus, do you think doing all that would have cost any less - or more perchance?

[GeorgePorgie]

Where?

Yo is crammed with them in past threads and even the resident LRO anorak has a site full of em.

[grekko]

post # 36
Ok here's my take on it.....

We have all seen the old housing photographs of the 17th and 18th century,
Yo is crammed with them in past threads and even the resident LRO anorak has a site full of em.
No it isn't and no he hasn't.
Not a single photo ever taken during those times!

[Ged]

From the 17th and 18th Century - I wish ;)


Are you any happier today George?

How the house - the seagulls, the spiders, Corrie - the medication :PDT10

[ChrisGeorge]

Chris. There is a street between the Liver and the Crown Plaza to the North of the 3 Graces. There is a street between the Port of Liverpool building and the new Museum to the south of the 3 graces. My view if standing behind the Crown Plaza would be no more or less blocked of the 3 graces than if I stood behind the Museum and complained of the same.

I think it's clear as most people accept that the new museum has changed the look of the waterfront from Albert Dock. I guess I liked things as they were. I should stop bellyaching though.... the museum is grand for the tourists and for the people of Liverpool (locals and exiles) alike... and when you come out you have the fabulous view of those wonderful three buildings. :handclap:

Cheers

Chris :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[GeorgePorgie]

You read it wrong yer wazzocks....Most of the houses where built before the 19th century and photies were taken in the 19th century.

The house I just left was built in 1890...you know where to stick those drumsticks,Gedro...just make sure you push em harder.

[grekko]

You read it wrong yer wazzocks....Most of the houses where built before the 19th century and photies were taken in the 19th century.

The house I just left was built in 1890...you know where to stick those drumsticks,Gedro...just make sure you push em harder.

You've got me puzzled with that statement about the house you just left. What has a 20th century built house got to do with the very few houses that were built in Liverpool IN THE 1600's and 1700's ?

[gregs dad]

Had a funny experience today,took 2 of my grandchildren to town today, a boy of 7 and a girl of 13.
Visited the Western Approaches museum which I have never been in before. Had to drag them out after
two and a half hours they didn`t want to leave. Then proceeded to the new museum, after 20 minutes they said can we go now,?.
The girl was a frequent visitor with me to the old liverpool life museum and the old 1940`s house as she grew up, she said she preferred them... to the new one .
I said give me a mark out of 10 for both museums the answer, i/10 for the new one 9/10 for the Western Approaches.
I must confess they are from Upholland

[GeorgePorgie]

Joe,Put a windup gramphone and a modern stereo system in front of a child and immediatly the interest will be around the gramaphone....what I'm trying to say is they know about the beatles,they know about LFC ect,ect and the new building doesn't capture the atmosphere of a museum.

Anyway whats your honest opinion on the display?

[chasevans]

:handclap: Upholland should be proud, congratulate your grandchildren, Gregs dad :handclap:
Chas:PDT11

[GeorgePorgie]

Apparently someone is waiting....

does thunderbird four come out the canal
in front of the building. pmsl

[wsteve55]

Though,like many,I had my doubts about the proposed plans for the Pier Head,there's no mistaking the success of the realised version,if numbers of people down there,recently,are anything to go by! I suppose it depends on what criteria you want to use,but in many ways,if not all,it's got to be a vast improvement on what was there before,which I always thought,looked like a rather large public toilet,with all that tiling,(sorry Ged:noid:)and at least now,you don't have to dodge quite so many buses!
As for the museum,it's a typical modern design of it's day,just like the the "World" museum was, in it's day,and it compares well with any similar type of building ,anywhere else ! I'd think it is what's inside it, is what's most important though,and on which, I'll reserve judgement,till I've actually been,as it's been pretty busy up till now,just like it should be:nod:

[Ged]

I think it's clear as most people accept that the new museum has changed the look of the waterfront from Albert Dock. I guess I liked things as they were. I should stop bellyaching though.... the museum is grand for the tourists and for the people of Liverpool (locals and exiles) alike... and when you come out you have the fabulous view of those wonderful three buildings. :handclap:

Cheers


Chris :PDT_Aliboronz_24:




Hi Chris. I agree of course with your last statement but sorry to be pedantic over the actual location of the Museum. It is on a jut of land that projects it away from the port of liverpool building so the view of the 3 graces from the Albert dock is not obstructed. Now then, the view of the 3 graces from the Albert dock is obstructed by those awful black buildings. Most people i've spoken to do indeed agree the new museum has changed the look of the waterfront - but for the better. There's enough empty pavement elsewhere down there. It hold more exhibits than any local museum ever before and we should be lapping that fact up.

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Had a funny experience today,took 2 of my grandchildren to town today, a boy of 7 and a girl of 13.
Visited the Western Approaches museum which I have never been in before. Had to drag them out after
two and a half hours they didn`t want to leave. Then proceeded to the new museum, after 20 minutes they said can we go now,?.
The girl was a frequent visitor with me to the old liverpool life museum and the old 1940`s house as she grew up, she said she preferred them... to the new one .
I said give me a mark out of 10 for both museums the answer, i/10 for the new one 9/10 for the Western Approaches.
I must confess they are from Upholland

After 2.5 hours in an earlier museum, they must have been getting quite bored with it all, it's a lot to ask of kids that age to be wanting to traipse around museums for hours on end - I used to at William Brown street but our eyes were on the out of town girls ha ha. I saw parents having to drag thier kids away from all the interactive push button / phone info stuff in the new museum last weekend. Try your trip the other way around next time Joe. ;)

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I continue to find it bemusing why some, if very few, of the good people of Liverpool should show such disdain towards a new museum which champions things such as our local soldiers (possibly including relatives of the detractors), champion sportsmen such as Conteh and Volante, record breaking No1 artists - with a similar display to the record attending 'the beat goes on'. Our cultural connections to other lands, so well put together in the global city gallery. A chance to see the overhead carriage and Ford Anglia again - even if the latter could have been better placed - it's better than nothing. The fact the Beatles are mentioned proves how little one knows about the exhibits as the Beatles have been almost especially hardly mentioned as they have their own dedicated museum at the Albert dock and they didn't want to dilute the exhibits already on show there.

I rather think they've made their stance so vociferously now that there's no going back on if nothing else, seeing it for what it is - a massive attraction which will help the local economy of their city. Pffft - Victor Meldrew is alive and well. I don't like Anfield but I can appreciate it needs to be there ;)

[Gerard Fleming]

Ged, I hope you dont mind me saying this..
I've stayed away from debating with you mate because of the personal insults
that come flying back at me..

But if you dont mind me saying.. on a thread about the Museum..
I think its about time you realised that building is hated by the people of Liverpool..
Ask yourself why Ged.. ?

That my opinion... and the opinion of the people of Liverpool..

You Ged, are the only person I've come across that likes that place..
I'm not making that up.. thats a fact.

Can I say that.. without fear of any insults.. ?


Cheers..

Gerard.

[Ged]

You can indeed state your opinion but not as facts. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Gerard Fleming]

You can indeed state your opinion but not as facts. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:




Thank you Ged..

[grekko]

Joe,Put a windup gramphone and a modern stereo system in front of a child and immediatly the interest will be around the gramaphone....what I'm trying to say is they know about the beatles,they know about LFC ect,ect and the new building doesn't capture the atmosphere of a museum.

Anyway whats your honest opinion on the display?


GP ,Considering the numbers who have already passed through the new museums doors ,
could you please consider the following reasons for visiting a museum and tell me where you think The Museum of Liverpool fails to ..." capture the atmosphere of a museum".

The Explorer: motivated by personal curiosity.
The Facilitator: motivated by/because of another person (such as a parent bringing a child to the museum).
The Experience Seeker: motivated to see and experience places. (such as a tourist visiting a new city).
The Professional Hobbyist: motivated by specific knowledge-related goals.
The Recharger: motivated by contemplative/restorative experience.

I genuinely would like to know what you think is a museum atmosphere.

[Spike]

Went today. Its ok. It will be good when the first floor is done.

Too crowded for me, but I shoved my way into the WW1 section. Found my two great grandads listed on the roll of honour.

I will go back when the kids are back in school. some interesting things there I would like to look at in detail.

Have you been in the Court Housing? Did you press the button on the outside loo...HA HA HA HA.

I like it.

I think the building is nice and fits in well as its not high in the sky. The pics I am seeing of it look very good. I will be glad when the first floor is up and running and the crowds have died down a bit ( Kids back in school ) It goes with the Canal and im a big fan of the canal.

[Ged]

I personally think 150,000+ bodies in 10 days was it speaks for itself. I've probably spoken to more than most simply because I've been shanghai'd by people who've recognised me there who've asked questions about the model. I always ask what do they think of the building, it's location, would they be back. I do look at it objectively, model there or not as it won't always be and apart from those on once in a lifetime tourist trips they have all said yes yes yes. I must be asking the wrong people :rolleyes:

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I like it..

That's about 150,001 then Spike if you're not one of the 150,000 that's seen it already then. :PDT11

Keep that mouth pointing thissaway U.

[Spike]

I saw it last Sunday. Sue liked it as well. Sam did not care as he wanted Baby TV.

Loved the view from the big window looking over the Canal. Hoping they give the wars the section they deserve ( bigger area ) Noticed on the lifts they are down as being on the First floor. So hoping it all gets moved when this is finished.

[Ged]

Ah that view. The one where I said everyone would be up there taking a pic and it seems they are if you look at Flickr and forums. All taking pics from a building they hate. A bit hypocritical that isn't it?

[gregs dad]

Ged it wasn`t a case of boredom they just did not like it. As a matter of fact they wanted to go across to the Maritime museum and then on to the Walker Gallery

[GeorgePorgie]

150,000+ bodies in 10 days was it speaks for itself.

I say...since admission is free how did they come to this figure?

[grekko]

I say...since admission is free how did they come to this figure?

Had the figure been quoted as 50,000 would you have accepted that ?

[ItsaZappathing]

Ged it wasn`t a case of boredom they just did not like it. As a matter of fact they wanted to go across to the Maritime museum and then on to the Walker Gallery

Same here, I just thought it was a bit dull to be honest. I was peeved that they put the Ford Anglia way out of sight and was peeved they had Wheelie Bins on display. What the ???
I just hope it improves because at the moment it is dull as dishwater. :PDT10

Just to add to that...I don't like Liverpool 1, I am not a Beatles fan, I dislike what's happened to the waterfront and I am not a big footy head. I wonder if I am a true Scouser because you gotta like those things to be Scouse. Haven't you ? Ha.

[GeorgePorgie]

No,even if they said 10,000....I want to know an exact figure give or take a couple of hundred not a pull it out the hat one.

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I was peeved that they put the Ford Anglia way out of sight

I'm glad you brought this up,because if my mem is correct? as a nipper....didn't they have the Anglia in the old museum? and wasn't it a blue one? alongside all manner of transport ie old fire engine,horsedrawn bus ect,ect.

[Gerard Fleming]

Ah that view. The one where I said everyone would be up there taking a pic and it seems they are if you look at Flickr and forums. All taking pics from a building they hate. A bit hypocritical that isn't it?



It certainly is, well said lad....:handclap:



This is from last week sometime that I put on here...
I wouldn't go near the place if I never had a worldwide audience waiting
on the latest goings on photo wise around Liverpool...
Now what kind of photographer would I be eh...
if I only thought of myself and not the people that want to see them images..?


Posted on here last week sometime..
Jeeeeez.. cant get over them hypocrites.. :slywink:



"I will be going in there...
I will take a few photos when I do go in there..
Just to show on my website for people around the world to see..
they wont be for my benefit Ged.."

[ItsaZappathing]

No,even if they said 10,000....I want to know an exact figure give or take a couple of hundred not a pull it out the hat one.

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I'm glad you brought this up,because if my mem is correct? as a nipper....didn't they have the Anglia in the old museum? and wasn't it a blue one? alongside all manner of transport ie old fire engine,horsedrawn bus ect,ect.

Indeed they did Georgie. You can see it in the New Museum now but only the bodywork and maybe a back light. You can see the wheelie bins good though. :D

[Gerard Fleming]

Indeed they did Georgie. You can see it in the New Museum now but only the bodywork and maybe a back light. You can see the wheelie bins good though. :D




Ehhhh Boss.. what about that old car thing..
where can we stick that old relic... ?

Oh that thing ?...
stick it up there, out the way...



One of the main exhibits from a proper Liverpool museum..

Not a glance..!





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/FordAnglia.jpg

[Ged]

No,even if they said 10,000....I want to know an exact figure give or take a couple of hundred not a pull it out the hat one.

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I'm glad you brought this up,because if my mem is correct? as a nipper....didn't they have the Anglia in the old museum? and wasn't it a blue one? alongside all manner of transport ie old fire engine,horsedrawn bus ect,ect.

2 things - your memory is wrong ;)

Ask the museum how they know the figures - only the detractors of its success would query them surey. Better still, put your meldrew face in the cupboard and go down there to witness the crowds first hand.

[GeorgePorgie]

your memory is wrong

I don't think sooooooooo,at least you could see the ford anglia in the old museum. :)

[Ged]

Eh Gerard - good get out clause that but why are you disrespecting the city by sending photos worldwide of such a shack of a place - best keep it hidden eh and you did make a point of stating - in black bold letters 'ALL' not me Ged lad not me lad blah blah blah. But in the end it was you.

I thought you didn't do arty farty -just another observation eh lad eh eh haaa haaaaar. ;)

[GeorgePorgie]

A post here on Yo,cept the Anglia was blue not green...unless the museum has a habit of painting it? :)

QUOTE]I remember the old cobbled street where you'd press the button and hear kids doing rhymes and talking/laughing. The trains in the transport section in the basement with the dummies at the windows of the carriages, the old fire engine, John Mason removal wagon, the lion loco, the green Ford Anglia that ended up at the MoLL etc.[/QUOTE]

[Ged]

I don't think sooooooooo,at least you could see the ford anglia in the old museum. :)

You had it down as blue - more conspiracy theories ;)[COLOR="Silver"]

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A post here on Yo,cept the Anglia was blue not green...unless the museum has a habit of painting it? :)

QUOTE]I remember the old cobbled street where you'd press the button and hear kids doing rhymes and talking/laughing. The trains in the transport section in the basement with the dummies at the windows of the carriages, the old fire engine, John Mason removal wagon, the lion loco, the green Ford Anglia that ended up at the MoLL etc.[/QUOTE]


It says Green there Georgie old boy - do keep up at the back.

[hmtmaj]

In my Echo, the Anglia was Black & White :PDT10

[Ged]

Nice to see 7 people viewing the page, better than none ;)

[Gerard Fleming]

Eh Gerard - good get out clause that but why are you disrespecting the city by sending photos worldwide of such a shack of a place - best keep it hidden eh and you did make a point of stating - in black bold letters 'ALL' not me Ged lad not me lad blah blah blah. But in the end it was you.

I thought you didn't do arty farty -just another observation eh lad eh eh haaa haaaaar. ;)



In case you hadn't noticed Geddo lad..
I take the pics others dont...
shacks, shabby...homeless.. prostitutes...
Midnight on Kenny..11pm down Tocky, Scottie Rd...
3am on the Dock Rd.. Easby Estate.. and all..


I hate Arty Farty matey.. it has do be done though Geddo..
I'm not a pro.. but I have as much a pro attitude as the best of them...



Thanks Ged..


Gerard.

[Ged]

The pics others dont?

All those are already on my site - well maybe not the prozzies - she'd kill me haaaar haaaaar.

Ta lar.

[Gerard Fleming]

[B]The pics others dont?

All those are already on my site.......


Pics walking around Falkner Square at 2am talking to people..
Have you ?...where.. I'd like to see them...


I mean mate walking around the likes of Percy St at midnight..
You got them Ged.. ?


If you have the pics I have on Granby St at 10 pm...
I'd like to see them as well...
and I'll take my hat off to you if you have lad..

Where are they ?, all these that are on your site..
I'd love to see them..


G ..................

[Ged]

What does the time matter? I work so go to bed at normal times, is that alright with you like

Haaaa Haaaaar.

[Gerard Fleming]

What does the time matter? I work so go to bed at normal times, is that alright with you like

Haaaa Haaaaar.


Thats fine with me.. ha haaaaa...

you can come with me Ged if you want....down Tocky,
and Percy St.... it will be at midnight though, or later..

and none of that lark stickin' the camera out the car window
and getting off after 10 seconds...

Its walkabout with me Geddo lad...
meeting and talking with the weekend after hours bunch... 2am.. brilliant.
you up for it sometime Ged lad... ?

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What does the time matter? I work so go to bed at normal times, is that alright with you like

Haaaa Haaaaar.


Only wiindin yer up Ged...

take no notice lad...no one else does.. :PDT11


Gerard... :)

[Spike]

C,mon PM each other.

[Ged]

I appreciate the offer but I do too much during the day and evening to still be up at that hour normally (band pracky last night - 6 a side footy tonight) though i've done a few Mathew st/Victoria st weekend ones in the early hours - the revelers and all. Keep it up, there's never too many doing it.

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C,mon PM each other.

It's all cool mate. Gerard knows I think his stuff is tops :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[Gerard Fleming]

I appreciate the offer but I do too much during the day and evening to still be up at that hour normally (band pracky last night - 6 a side footy tonight) though i've done a few Mathew st/Victoria st ]weekend ones in the early hours - the revelers and al[/B]l. Keep it up, there's never too many doing it.



Yep, I've seen them..
and I like them... you keep it up mate..


Gerard..

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...It's all cool mate. Gerard knows I think his stuff is tops :PDT_Aliboronz_11:



Ditto.. you keep up the great work on that website of yours..
I've given up on that LRO lark..
dont know where you get the energy from for all that inside there for hours..
I'll stick to the online thingy from now on..


Best of luck Ged.. keep it going.


Gerard.

[hmtmaj]

Gerard, you're fine pics and exploits during the wee hours remind of that song "Streets of London" :PDT11

Mart

[gregs dad]

It was powder blue George and the overhead railway carraige,which you could sit in, was there.

[GeorgePorgie]

Thank you,Joseph...and I suppose the war theme will still be those that where in glass cased cabinets in the old museum, where it depicts ww1 soldier with a machine gun and mock trench ect,ect.

So this begs the question of....was the visitors numbers falling in the old museum? and the NML decided to regain its visitors by spending 72million on a new building....rather extravagant way to get the visitors back don't ya think.

I suspect the mummies will turn up in the new museum at some time?

What a waste of capital.

[chasevans]

It was powder blue George and the overhead railway carraige,which you could sit in, was there.

My memory of the Anglia is light blue also. A friend recalls it as light green. Our own colour blindness, maybe. Nothing to do with memory, George.
All the best,
Chas:PDT11

[Ged]

It's the same one, same Reg number and is pale green. A bloke won it in a competition, coulsdn't drive, sold it to someone who drove around in it for 5 years or so and then it was bought back for exhibition purposes. It's mad that it's so high and out of reach. The massive space at the bottom of the sweeping staircase would have been ideal for it. With over 6000 objects on show, it's not a case of rehashing all the old stuff though because most of it isn't. I don't know if it was because I was just a kid at the time but I prefered the old cobbled street - just as in the world museum I prefered the old corridor aquarium. Still, mustn't grumble eh?

[hmtmaj]

Very light green it is as I remember :noid:

[grekko]

Thank you,Joseph...and I suppose the war theme will still be those that where in glass cased cabinets in the old museum, where it depicts ww1 soldier with a machine gun and mock trench ect,ect.

So this begs the question of....was the visitors numbers falling in the old museum? and the NML decided to regain its visitors by spending 72million on a new building....rather extravagant way to get the visitors back don't ya think.

I suspect the mummies will turn up in the new museum at some time?

What a waste of capital.

So this begs the question of....was the visitors numbers falling in the old museum?
How would we know?

[Gerard Fleming]

Very light green it is as I remember :noid:


Correct Mart... in the old museum, and today.
Like a light mint green.

[GeorgePorgie]

Is this Green Or Blue?

22415

[hmtmaj]

Blue, the one in the museum is much lighter and green

[GeorgePorgie]

Adobe photoshop colour picker depicts it in the blue range of the colour spectrum

[GeorgePorgie]

I don't remeber it being green when I seen it as a nipper.

This the colour Mart?

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[hmtmaj]

Try the one from the Museum George and let us know what colour it picks up for it

Tenner says Green :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[GeorgePorgie]

Bordering into white actually but it is in the green spectrum. :)

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[hmtmaj]

What Colour does this one show up as George ?

EDIT:
Oops just spotted you posted it up already

[Gerard Fleming]

Click the 'view original' thingy below..





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/FordAnglia2.jpg

[GeorgePorgie]

Bordering more into yellow white more than green,Mart.

I took this pick from the brightest part of the car ie the bonnet,rather than the sides as any colour from its surroundings will alter the balance of the colour

[Gerard Fleming]

Bordering more into yellow white more than green,Mart.

I took this pick from the brightest part of the car ie the bonnet,rather than the sides as any colour from its surroundings will alter the balance of the colour


Rubbish... see the photo above of the actual car..

[hmtmaj]

It even says the colour on the car !

Very Light Green

I'll save me tenner

[Gerard Fleming]

Bordering more into yellow white more than green,Mart....

Yellow white now ?...thats it, I'm off..

[corky100]

Heres a photo i took of the Ford at the Old Museum of Liverpool Life a good 5 or 6 years ago, or thereabouts. Definitely a pale green to me.

I agree though, **** stupid place to put it. Not a lot of point it being there really :(

[Gerard Fleming]

Lime Green...



Its >> Official (http://www.oxforddiecast.asia/76/SP046%20Lime%20Green%20105E%20Saloon%20-%20Liverpool%20Museum.htm.htm)..



.

[grekko]

Heres a photo i took of the Ford at the Old Museum of Liverpool Life a good 5 or 6 years ago, or thereabouts. Definitely a pale green to me.

I agree though, **** stupid place to put it. Not a lot of point it being there really :(

They'd been keeping an eye on a dodgy looking fella with a pile of bricks just before they opened!

[Stanier]

Were was the image in post #113 taken?
Is it the place somewhere around Bankhall, where the large objects are?
Is that place open to the public?

[Spike]

2005...Deffo Purple

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[gregs dad]

I think George and I are talking about the old museum in William Brown street many years ago

[Ged]

Ha ha loving the quips. Green George GREEEEEEN!!!!

[hmtmaj]

Were was the image in post #113 taken?
Is it the place somewhere around Bankhall, where the large objects are?
Is that place open to the public?

Nah, a fella passed me it a few years ago, dunno where he took it.

Mart

[chasevans]

Lime Green...



Its >> Official (http://www.oxforddiecast.asia/76/SP046%20Lime%20Green%20105E%20Saloon%20-%20Liverpool%20Museum.htm.htm)..



.My pal was right & I am wrong. He also said my memory of the car could be clouded by images from ITV's "Heartbeat". But if I squint my eyes a bit and put on these rose coloured glasses, there...now then that's better. ****ing LIME GREEN!
I was WRONG
Grrrrrr
Chas:shock:

[GeorgePorgie]

I think George and I are talking about the old museum in William Brown street many years ago

66 or 67.Joe and the anglia was not shoved up against the wall as in spikes pic,it was on a stand and you could walk around it and it was light blue,fink Ged was a twinkle in his dads eye then? :)

Correction he was a little fart in a nappy. :)

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The Green,Purple,Orange one was rolled off the production line in 1963 and the owner had it for 3 years so that means the official car in the museum in 65/66 was light blue and in 66 the museum must have dumped the blue one for the 63 model?

[grekko]

2005...Deffo Purple

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/9803/fords.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/651/fords.jpg/)

Is the Reg No 1KF a genuine DVLA registration?

[chasevans]

Is the Reg No 1KF a genuine DVLA registration?

Or could it've been 1 KFC?
Who knows? Only the Shadow knows.

Cheers Grekko,

Chas:PDT11

[Gerard Fleming]

66 or 67.Joe and the anglia was not shoved up against the wall as in spikes pic,it was on a stand and you could walk around it and it was light blue,fink Ged was a twinkle in his dads eye then? :)..

It was up against a wall, you could not walk around it..
It had a train carriage behind you if you stood side on with the car in front of you..
from the same standing position...
the exit to William Brown Street was 20 yards to the left through a door......
that led to toilets on the right.. a crisp machine to the right of the toilets..
a stairway by the toilets... and the ground floor exit that was later blocked for years..
next to the staircase...

and to the left of the exit was a lecture theatre/movie/slideshow room


and, the Ford Anglia in William Brown St museum was Lime Green...

I know.. it was my playground..
I lived right behind the museum...
and I still do today..
and the area is still my playground 40 odd years later..


Any bets ?..



Thanks..

Gerard.

[Stanier]

It was up against a wall, you could not walk around it..
It had a train carriage behind you if you stood side on with the car in front of you..
from the same standing position...

I seem to recall there being a steam wagon there also, was it a Sentinel?

[Gerard Fleming]

I seem to recall there being a steam wagon there also, was it a Sentinel?



I wouldn't know the name.. sorry
there was all kinds in that basement...
its been doing my head in all day trying to remember an item that was next to the car..
I know it was only small.. on a stand, or base of some kind..


I know one thing for certain...
I loved that car as a kid.. and I never saw the far side of that car..
One side was visible... you could not walk around that car..



I'm sure there was a wigwam...or something to do with Red Indians..
to the left of the car as you walked toward the exit...

It will come to me everything that was in that basement room..

Thanks..


Gerard.

[grekko]

Wan't there a motorised bathchair and a velocette(I think) motor bike? Also remember a Hansom cab type carriage.

[Stanier]

I also remember a motorbike.
A MDHB saddle tank loco and the Lion (Titfield Thunderbolt).

[chasevans]

I'm sure there was a wigwam...or something to do with Red Indians..
to the left of the car as you walked toward the exit...

It will come to me everything that was in that basement room..

Thanks..


Gerard.
I recall an exhibition in the 1950's portraying early American indians. It was opened upstairs. The theme was the American colonial wars and there was a large glass case displaying the Delaware* indian culture.

There was a tomahawk/peace pipe, a bear's robe, bead decorated clothes and wampum bag, bows, arrows etc. There may have also been a conical dwelling.

All very colourful and eye catching. Could these be the items you recall being stored in the basement, Gerard?

Cheers,
Chas:PDT11

[GeorgePorgie]

The bike was an.....

AER 250cc
A Leyland fire engine
Flatbed Lorry
Overhead Raily coach
Steam tractor

[GeorgePorgie]

And here it is in 1960 in the world museum....there's no smug emoticon. :)

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[Ged]

I remember it as you do Gerard, and here it is, up against a wall. Don't forget George goes back a hell of a long way before us ;)

There was a John Masons removal wagon near yo it but right facing was the Leyland Fire Engine which is now in store.


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[chasevans]

And here it is in 1960 in the world museum....there's no smug emoticon. :)

22421

My pal was right & I am wrong. He also said my memory of the car could be clouded by images from ITV's "Heartbeat". But if I squint my eyes a bit and put on these rose coloured glasses, there...now then that's better. ****ing LIME GREEN!
I was WRONG
Grrrrrr
Chas:shock:

Hmmmmmm
Georges photo shows the colour I remember. Could the other be a ringer? PC McGarry number 452 is on the case.
2242322424
Photo credits to GeorgePogie & Ged respectively.
Thanks George:PDT11 Thanks Ged:PDT11

Goodnight Johnboy,
Chas:wasted::wasted:

[GeorgePorgie]

Wan't there a motorised bathchair

lol,I think you mean the "phaeton",this looked like an oversized pram with a settee style seating. :)

[grekko]

And here it is in 1960 in the world museum....there's no smug emoticon. :)

22421.

Cheers GP ...."pram with a sofa" I liked that :nod:
22427
Colour looks very similar to me just the photo brightness showing a difference
The car was ceremonially driven off the production line by the Lord Mayor of Liverpool on 8 March 1963 and was handed over to its new owner with a special registration 1KF.
22426
The motorbike I remember was black and had an association with TT racing, maybe the museum has a few different models.22428

Spent many hours in the old museum with my lads in the early 70's, they loved the transport section with all the "olden days" stuff they said I used when I was a boy, cheeky little sods.

[Ged]

That 'basement' transport museum was great. It could best be entered by the disabled access to the museum at ground level which was alongside all those steps. ( so just like you enter it now without walking up them) When you entered the museum, you were in a dark foyer. If you did an immediate sharp left, that was the staircase up to the other floors, to your left at 9 o'clock were the toilets and straight ahead of you on the left was the dark corridor aquarium (at the other end of that corridor were the spiders and snakes in glass cases then the other stairs up) Back top the entrance foyer and the transport museum was to your right, up about 2 or 3 steps.

When you first entered it, the John Masons removal wagon was on your right, the Anglia was around the corner on the left. Facing it was the fire engine with its ladder on a wheel. There were bone shakers/penny farthings on the wall and railway carriages with dummies in and sometimes a film show would be on in one of them. The Lion locomotive was also on view in the far right corner. This has been in the Bootle's stores for years and will soon be in the new museum having been restored and was in the film Thunderbolt.

[Spike]

I remember it well Ged. Although living in the outback we were there all the time. Great place.

[GeorgePorgie]

Don't forget George goes back a hell of a long way before us

Cheeky sod,you were in your nappy,I was in me short trousers....I suspect MrF was in his longies and if he's older than me and can't remember the Anglia sitting on the floor without obstruction all around then his mem is fading. :)

[Gerard Fleming]

Cheeky sod,you were in your nappy,I was in me short trousers....I suspect MrF was in his longies and if he's older than me and can't remember the Anglia sitting on the floor without obstruction all around then his mem is fading. :)

Nice one George, I like that...

MrF..for the record, was about 9 to 12 or so when I went there a lot as a kid..
I'm supposed to be 'Years' older the the other MrF.. that right Geddo ?

I reckon Geddo's been on the blower again for his info..
he's too young to remember all in that place.. :slywink:

[Ged]

No blower needed and who would I ring ha ha. No, we were always in there traipsing round after girls. Seeing the same old guards, the same old exhibits. Up on the 3rd floor with all the space and rockets stuff then giggling running down the stairs to where the polar bear and arctic fox was and the lion chasing the zebra was and all that, then 15 mins later back on the 3rd floor after different better looking girls to bemused looks from the guard who must have been thinking they were up here before. Getting told off for making a noise on the echoey staircases.

Do you remember that model in the glass case on the 2nd floor, just as you came in from the stairs. It was of the pinewoods at formby with the railway line running up alongside it and you could press buttons and parts of the woods would light up. That ended up being donated to a school in formby and it stood in their foyer.

[Gerard Fleming]

I recall an exhibition in the 1950's portraying early American indians. It was opened upstairs. The theme was the American colonial wars and there was a large glass case displaying the Delaware* indian culture.

There was a tomahawk/peace pipe, a bear's robe, bead decorated clothes and wampum bag, bows, arrows etc. There may have also been a conical dwelling.

All very colourful and eye catching. Could these be the items you recall being stored in the basement, Gerard?

Cheers,
Chas:PDT11


They could be Chas mate, I reckon now though I must have saw those...
Red Indian items in another part of the museum..
I don't though think they'd be in a transport section..
I cant get this image out of my head though...
its an Indian on a white horse now.. its doin' me friggin 'ead in..


Cheers matey.. G...

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No blower needed and who would I ring ha ha. No, we were always in there traipsing round after girls. Seeing the same old guards, the same old exhibits. Up on the 3rd floor with all the space and rockets stuff then giggling running down the stairs to where the polar bear and arctic fox was and the lion chasing the zebra was and all that, then 15 mins later back on the 3rd floor after different better looking girls to bemused looks from the guard who must have been thinking they were up here before. Getting told off for making a noise on the echoey staircases.



Do you remember that model in the glass case on the 2nd floor, just as you came in from the stairs. It was of the pinewoods at formby with the railway line running up alongside it and you could press buttons and parts of the woods would light up. That ended up being donated to a school in formby and it stood in their foyer.


I'm kiddin Ged...I know it was open later in my teens so you obviously like me were
never out the place...

Chasing the girls eh.. tell me about it...me and my mate..
you know his brother, always on the mooch back then aged about 15..



Ta lad..

Gerard.

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The echoey staircase... ?

Its all coming back now mate...:PDT11

[Ged]

Bloody hell, I didn't know about that. What a playground to have all around there though eh, we didn't know we were born. :PDT_Piratz_26:

[Gerard Fleming]

Bloody hell, I didn't know about that. What a playground to have all around there though eh, we didn't know we were born. :PDT_Piratz_26:

That is so true...it really is..

So many many memories of around that area..
Little Wembley... 12 of us aged about 9 up the top
of the Wellington Column.. It frightens me now, it really does...
thinking of all the pushing and shoving on that open balcony up that column
with just one handrail and nothing under it but fresh air and a huge drop..

The Cafe in Lime St...remember that.. ?
robbing the steak pies... well, we were only little tearaways..(honest..)


Many many many ..toooooooo many memories and tales to mention..

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Off me pop Ged...again !!


have a good weekend lad..

Gerard..

[Ged]

You're not wrong there, you too Gerard, catch you later.

[gregs dad]

Ged empty some of your mail inbox as I can`t reply to your pm
Thanks
Joe

[Ged]

Done Joe, thanks.

Ged.

[hmtmaj]

. 120,000 visitors up now:PDT_Piratz_26:

Went there today, now 420,000 visitors. :PDT11

Mart

[Ged]

Well you are a big bloke ;)

[Ged]

A chap buying my books last weekend - I don't know whether to take the fact he didn't want to appear on camera as an insult :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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[collegepudding]

Ged the sign above the books says --SHO--[are you taking the p, or has it dropped ]--OFF-- .... ;) :PDT11 :)


collegepudding

[ChrisGeorge]

Hello all

A poet acquaintance of mine, a former Merseysider, who now lives in Yorkshire visited the Museum of Liverpool recently with his wife and sent me the following impressions on the Museum as well as of attending a performance at The Playouse:

"On Thursday evening we went to a performance of The Ladykillers at The Playhouse (the screenplay adapted for the stage: entertaining).


"Next day we visited the new Museum of Liverpool. Despite the weather – it was a grey and chilly day – the building struck us as impressive both outside and in. (But we hate those black shiny glass apartment buildings they have put up next to the Port of Liverpool building: they spoil the view in all directions and look completely out of place.)

"As to the displays, we found many of interest and all very well mounted. We were disappointed, however, that once again Liverpool seems intent on presenting to the world a stereotype of itself. While it is true that the city has contributed a great deal to popular culture, in the twentieth century it was always more – much more – than a working-class city addicted to pop music and football. For example, we found only one small and very dull panel referring to the Liverpool Philharmonic Hall and its orchestra. In my youth and young-man’s years in Liverpool (at school and university) I remember vividly classical concerts with world-renowned soloists, as well as concerts by the likes of Duke Ellington, Muddy Waters, the MJQ, Buck Clayton and Errol Garner. My own piano teacher (Liverpool born and bred) had been a soloist with the Hallé and a regular accompanist to Kathleen Ferrier. One prominent video display (perhaps you recall this) was a series of clips from interviews with Liverpool people celebrating as typical of scousers such qualities as being 'hard', 'independent', 'mouthy', 'fast-talking' and challenging authority whenever it appears. I mention these as instances – there were others – of Liverpool selling itself short in favour of confirming the widely held stereotype of the place.

"Even so, our visit was enjoyable. It’s always good to see the river again.

"All the best to a one-time scouser! (Once a scouser always a scouser?)."

[Ged]

Well, got my official V.I.P. invitation this morning to attend the opening of the new galleries in the presence of Her Majesty the Queen and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. I can post it here as there is a security code and photographic evidence required upon admission.

I am also invited to give a talk on gallery at the site at my model towards the end of March. This apparently after the museum attendants have had many enquiries as to the model builder with questions asked that they understandably could not answer.

The visit to the city will again undoubtedly give Liverpool more media coverage in the good light it has attracted for some time now.


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[hmtmaj]

About time you got a bit of credit Ged, well done.

Erm, doesn't it mention Ged Fagan and mate :rolleyes:

[Ged]

Ha ha. This I do for others, not me, as you know. Cheers kidda.

[lindylou]

[QUOTE=Ged;381572]Well, got my official V.I.P. invitation this morning to attend the opening of the new galleries in the presence of Her Majesty the Queen and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh.



:shock: :snf (41): very good Ged :handclap: get yer best bib & tucker dusted off. :)

[Ged]

Ha ha - I doubt it, they'll have to take me as they find me.

[ItsaZappathing]

Well done Ged. Well in lad. :handclap:
John & Debz

[Ged]

Cheers John and Debz. Will show ma'am how the other half lived. :PDT_Piratz_26:

[collegepudding]

Congrtatulations Ged, thats a cracker thing for you, your family and your friends, I hope the day goes well. :handclap:

Hey ,ive just had a thought, maybe Lizzie & Phil after seeing your model may decide to commission you to do one of their place.......if they do then leave out the graffiti bit and also any corgi poo around the grounds

lol

collegepudding

[grekko]

And don't go getting into any arguments with Phil, you know what he's like for passing comments!

[BlueJeans]

Well, got my official V.I.P. invitation this morning to attend the opening of the new galleries in the presence of Her Majesty the Queen and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. I can post it here as there is a security code and photographic evidence required upon admission.

I am also invited to give a talk on gallery at the site at my model towards the end of March. This apparently after the museum attendants have had many enquiries as to the model builder with questions asked that they understandably could not answer.

The visit to the city will again undoubtedly give Liverpool more media coverage in the good light it has attracted for some time now.


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Well done Ged. Don't forget to point at the queen when she comes in and say 'that reminds me, I must buy a stamp'.

[Gerard Fleming]

Nice one Ged, well done lad... :handclap:


I''ve had the invite to the next day opening breakfast on Friday 2nd.. 8.30am..
I might as well go.. it'll save me boiling an egg...

what what what what... lol



Gerard..

[lindylou]

Where do you get these invites ?? How do they come about I mean ? Do you have to have a connection with the museum ?

Just wondering :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[GeorgePorgie]

Well, got my official V.I.P. invitation this morning to attend the opening of the new galleries in the presence of Her Majesty the Queen and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh.

So how much are they payin yer to hold the door open?

[Howie]

Great Port Gallery to open at Museum of Liverpool (pics: Gareth Jones)
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[collegepudding]

Thanks for yet another informative link Howie, :handclap: they are one of the things that makes this a cracker Forum.

...Cant wait to get down there and have a good butchers at it. Ta mate !

collegepudding

[lindylou]

So how much are they payin yer to hold the door open?

:lol:

Sorry fer laughin' Ged ! :PDT_Xtremez_42: :)

[Ged]

So how much are they payin yer to hold the door open?

Nowt but they've offered to pay me to give a talk in March ;)

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Where do you get these invites ?? How do they come about I mean ? Do you have to have a connection with the museum ?

Just wondering :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

I think you have to have an exhibit or suchlike.

I know of 4 people off here who have and they've got invites.

[Ged]

The first images of just some of the exhibits on show in the new galleries opened by H.M. The Queen and H.R.H. Prince Philip this morning.



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A lot of the above of course is concentrated on the L.O.R and the line of docks it served.

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Liverpool transport - previously stored at the large objects warehouse in Bootle.

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Liverpool's military.

Spike will like this when he goes down there.

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Oh and of course, Liverpool's big news story was that the Museum was offically endorsed and opened (a rare occurance these days apparantly anywhere) by The Queen and Prince Philip.

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The guest book - duly signed by both Royals.

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Mike Macca and Mrs Mike Macca outside before we went in.

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A certain Mr Harris and Mr Barton - who made the Cunard Yanks film, the stories these guys have.

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[burkhilly]

I was looking at some pictures on the Echo website and thought "I wonder if Ged's there" - and so you were!

[Kev]

Fantastic Ged :handclap:

[lindylou]

Thanks Ged :PDT11 hope you've had a great day.

[Ged]

Splendiffero thank you Lindy. :PDT11:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Gerard Fleming]

Nice pics Ged..


Of the usual array of professional weekend scousers that only come here when
they are on a guest list..
I hope you don't mind me putting this.. its the truth, and needs saying....
.....and as per, I'll say it..


Thanks..


Gerard.

[Ged]

You can be as negative as you want Gerard. You always tell us you say it as you see it. Me, i'm just on a feel good factor from another great day at the Liverpool Museum - again Liverpool is on the map for all the right reasons and what's good for the City is good for me in my book. Hope you don't mind me putting that.

[Gerard Fleming]

You can be as negative as you want Gerard. You always tell us you say it as you see it. Me, i'm just on a feel good factor from another great day at the Liverpool Museum - again Liverpool is on the map for all the right reasons and what's good for the City is good for me in my book. Hope you don't mind me putting that.




What Ged.. has that word 'Negative' got to do with what I said.. ?



Gerard.

[collegepudding]

I was very dissapointed in the coverage of todays event by the Echo ,if you disregard the Echo website then All they managed was a shot of the Queen arriving at Lime Street this morning . Time was when they would have covered the visit in full in the same days paper , best they can do nowadays with their restrictive print deadlines and non local production is to announce There will be Full story & pictures in tomorrows Echo....Phhttt ! Anyway, Thanks, to Ged for uploading the shots from todays opening for us, they provided a good preview of what can be expected when we pay our visits to the new section.

Thanks again for your kind efforts Ged :handclap:

collegepudding

[hmtmaj]

Great stuff Ged....
Can't wait to get a good look in the newly opened floor,

Mart

[Kev]

Just watched the Granada news, who had coverage. Good to see the queen here. :thumbup:

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[Ged]

Cheers folks.

Apparently it's very very rare she opens anything these days (no jokes please) and just as rare to get them both there. The Royal seal of approval to the Museum of Liverpool.

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The unveiling.

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The signing of the visitors book by Ma'am.

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Then by H.R.H. PP.

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The visitors book.

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Past the motorcade and over to the crowds.

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[collegepudding]

I didnt catch the Granada News Kev, but I caught the Northwest Tonight one. I wasnt too impressed, they didnt show a single exhibit , the only shot of the museum was in a Hall with Phil Redmund [with his hair cut ]......As I say- not impressed with their coverage but..Not too surprised though !

collegepudding


Edit : just caught your pics of the Royal Guests etc above Ged,, Cheers !

collegepudding

[Ged]

Hiya CP.

Apparently Phil Redmonds barber wasn't too impressed with the coverage either.

Who needs the Itv or echo to give you gallery images though while i'm here :PDT_Aliboronz_24:



Some more.

A bayko model of the old art deco airport terminal building.

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A medal pile showing every conceivable award including regiment badges etc.

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There are two particularly good stories accompanying the rare exhibits of 2 Boer war VC medals.

One chap had to go and get assistance as his battalion came under fire, he reached the garrison for help some distance away before returning himself to play a major part in the victory that ensued. Another brave soul took command after his general was killed and despite 4 months and thousands of shells raining down on them they saw it out, again to victory. It's told better and in more detail than that in the Museum.

Word of warning. Give yourself a full day to see this whole place as there is so much to read, listen to, look at and see on screen and you wouldn't do it justice just glossing over it as you wouldn't know where to start.

[collegepudding]

You.ve put together a cracking package of the Opening ceremony and the exhibits for us to view here tonight Ged. thank You very Much, and yes There is probably going to be too much to take in on one visit.
Its a pity the buses dont stop down there anymore it would be great to hop off and dive straight in there,
...still, cant have everything Eh ! :D

collegepudding

[Ged]

Thanks Cp and everyone who has left their thanks. It's a pleasure being down there and hearing gasps and wows and seeing smiling faces old and new. In the 70s there was a reason for being down the Pier Head as it was a major bus terminus and had a few shops but now the crowds this year have been bigger than i've ever seen due to this place and others and organisations wanting to put events on at such a setting that they otherwise didn't do in the past.

[lindylou]

:handclap:

[Marty1]

Great photies Ged, HM looks nice !

[lenka]

brilliant Ged! i'm soo envy...I dream to see the Queen. i'm silly eyaaa

[Ged]

She went to the small crowd outside Lenka, it was very intimate really, you'd have got a good gander :)

[johnny blue]

Great pics Geddray ..well done

[Ged]

Thanks John Boy. I posted on the Everton library thread earlier. Dizzak has another explore for us - your phone was going to voicemail, catch you later.

[BlueJeans]

Great pics Ged, good to see a Scouse photographer's shots of the event, rather than the standard corporate official photos. You had some real good vantage points there.

I had relatives staying at The Jurys Inn last night and it looked great down there. The Big Wheel lit up and the various Christmas trees made the whole area look great. It just a pity those black buildings by the Museum of Liverpool look so awful.

[Ged]

Thank BlueJeans, the Museum is proving to be a pull to even those who said they'd never darken its doorstep or take photos in there or from there.

It will change the perceptions of the few people that had a downer on it over time i'm sure as it's OUR Museum, the Museum of Liverpool and anybody worth their salt in claiming to love Liverpool would want to see it do well and push it, not slam it.

The area is great now isn't it like you say, but must agree on those black buildings, not quite so sure they'll grow on people.

[GeorgePorgie]

the Museum is proving to be a pull to even those who said they'd never darken its doorstep or take photos in there or from there.

Not this fella,Pedro...as I said in the past...give it time for the polish to wear off and it will become like the World Museum...I mean how many times would you go the flics and watch the same blockbuster movie. :)

[Ged]

Never if you were my companion.

Museums are museums, exhibits are long terms but eventually inter changable. Because Liverpool is a tourist attraction and a big student city there will always be a big imput of different people seeing these things for the first time.

Shame on anyone who wants their own City museum to fail just because of a titty lip and not wanting to admit its a huge attraction.

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[lindylou]

Usually families with younger ones tend to visit a lot more frequently. I know when my son was younger we were never away from the museums ! We used to take him a lot, then when he was old enough to go on his own he would always be down there with friends. We used to joke that he should get a job in the museum because he knew every nook & cranny and knew where all the exhibits where. :) A few times he said he gave tourists directions to exhibits in the maritime :)
Now he is older, we do still visit from time to time, maybe once or twice a year instead of every other week like we used to when he was a kid.
Hoping to do a few more visits soon.

[Ged]

That's the spirit Lindy, as custodians of the city, build and they will come as they did in the past. I know a lot more just like your lad Lindy who keep on making the visits. In fact on my visits there, I know i've bumped into the same Yoer twice and an old neighbour THREE times and he says he's been again and again so has been there when I haven't so think of the amount of strangers who do that. You'll never get to see it all in one visit anyway, not if you're really paying attention to everything there is on offer.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi Ged

Great photographs, Ged, of HM and Prince Philip and also of the Boer War exhibit. I missed that when I was at the museum in October.

Years ago (circa 1964) my maternal grandmother and I went to the Anglican Cathedral when Elizabeth, the Queen Mother was there. There was a tent outside of the cathedral itself and somehow we went through a flap and found ourselves directly in the path of the Queen Mother. An interesting encounter. As was her way, she just gave us one of her gracious smiles as she moved on. As an aside, the Queen Mother and my Nanna shared a birthday: August 4.

All the best

Chris

[Mark R]

Museums are museums, exhibits are long terms but eventually inter changable.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

My biggest gripe is the Anglia up in the air :disgust:
As you say Ged museums are museums. Also the fact that it is free admission, I cannot see why anyone would want to criticise it! It isn't as if you have to pay to get in!

[Ged]

Some would prefer just a couple of acres of flagstones i'm sure :rolleyes:

Or it being opened by a couple of the cast of hollyoakes just because they live in Woolton. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[ItsaZappathing]

My gripe with the New Museum is and always will be that it's such an ugly building.
The other gripes are, like Mark, the Ford Anglia shoved up out the way.
Also the wheelie bins on show - WTF? And the wide stairs.
I must take another look and see how much it's improved since the first week of opening.
Cracker pics Ged. :handclap:

[Ged]

Cheers John.

[Mark R]

What is the boat Ged? I think that is up in the air as well. I couldn't see a notice saying what it is...

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Or it being opened by a couple of the cast of hollyoakes just because they live in Woolton. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

To be fair I think they were turning the lights on somewhere else so we had to make do with HM Queen :slywink:

[collegepudding]

I think the new Museum is gaining in popularity all the time, and with it being only a short walk from the Albert Dock means it has a ready made customer base on tap. Maybe some additional High- Vis signeage directing visitors over the bridge towards it from the Peirmasters house area may be helpful.
When I first saw the artists impression drawing for the building i was most definitely not impressed due to its modern shape situated close by to what is now termed The 3 Graces { not sure when that term came into being }.
Since visiting the museum and the remodelled Pier Head area I have changed my original opinion and I think the design of old & new works well, after all its not sighted directly in front of the other buildings and is not blocking views in the way the Black Glass monstrosities are.
A great advantage of the design of the building is the way it allows for those two Magnificent Glazed viewing areas, in my opinion they are already one of Liverpool's most valuable "must see "areas to visit,
the views are truly spectacular.
On the point of the Anglia being placed up in the air , well that was just plain daft putting it there.

collegepudding

[hmtmaj]

What is the boat Ged? I think that is up in the air as well. I couldn't see a notice saying what it is

If its a row boat, its from Sefton Park methinks

Mart

[Mark R]

If its a row boat, its from Sefton Park methinks

Mart

Yes I think it is a row boat

Thanks Mart

[GeorgePorgie]

Dang! as if I want to see a rowing boat,Wheelie Bin,Pair of Wranglers and any other useless junk in a Museum....more to the point its what was based in the World Museum when I wus a lad...what the F were they trying to do? I mean if the World Museum was losing public interest do they not think it will be the same in 10 years time for the New Museum?

Maybe I should donate my underpants to the museum.

[lindylou]

:lol:

[collegepudding]

Dang! as if I want to see a rowing boat,Wheelie Bin,Pair of Wranglers and any other useless junk in a Museum....more to the point its what was based in the World Museum when I wus a lad...what the F were they trying to do? I mean if the World Museum was losing public interest do they not think it will be the same in 10 years time for the New Museum?

Maybe I should donate my underpants to the museum.

Georgie P , if those underpants are as full as the same stuff that you are full of then i dont think they would accept them matey .lol

collegepudding

[lindylou]

:shock: :lol: :PDT_Xtremez_42:

[GeorgePorgie]

Georgie P , if those underpants are as full as the same stuff that you are full of then i dont think they would accept them matey .

Watch yer mouth there fella,otherwise you will be ending up in the Neandthral case in the museum.

[collegepudding]

Watch yer mouth there fella,otherwise you will be ending up in the Neandthral case in the museum.

Dont expect me to cave in to your threats Georgie P. lol

collegepudding

[Gerard Fleming]

Georgie P , if those underpants are as full as the same stuff that you are full of then i dont think they would accept them matey .lol

collegepudding


Ha haaaaaaaaaaa.... love it mate....lol lol lol


Gerard

[Howie]

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[Gerard Fleming]

Great low light shots Howie...

[Howie]

Great low light shots Howie...

Thanks Gerard. I've only got a cheap camera (£49 from Argos about 3yrs ago) - it's a bit of a struggle getting anything out of it once the light starts to fail.

[Ged]

Fine shots all the same Howie, great angles.

[collegepudding]

Nice out of the ordinary shots.

Thanks Gerard. I've only got a cheap camera (£49 from Argos about 3yrs ago) - it's a bit of a struggle getting anything out of it once the light starts to fail.

Howie I believe Santa regularly looks into Yo, so you may well have just caught him in time enough for a nice new camera prezzie .;) .:)

collegepudding

[lindylou]

Howie, I think they are the nicest shots I've seen of the museum.

Very nice. :handclap:

[Kev]

Great pics :handclap:

[Lizzie1]

Fantastic! went back today to see the latest additions.....Overhead Railway is good....and City Soldiers is great.... but had me in tears, some of the stories are so sad.
If you're thinking of paying a visit go early!

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/visit/galleries/soldiers/

[wsteve55]

Still haven't managed to visit the new additions,but it sounds great!