Many years ago, our country used to send convicts to Australia. Now skipping many years to 2007 and I wonder wether moving to Aussie would be an option, leaving scum like this (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1277870,00.html) behind in the uk. Seems the UK is one criminal paradise. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Many years ago, our country used to send convicts to Australia. Now skipping many years to 2007 and I wonder wether moving to Aussie, leaving scum like this (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1277870,00.html) behind in the uk seems to have reversed the situation. Seems the UK is one criminal paradise. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

Maybe we should care more about the vulnerable in our society eh Kev? :sad:

Of course Howie, the poor fella, there's plenty more like him though that are sadley being exploited and abused in the same communities that suffer at the hands of antisocial little **ts :PDT_Xtremez_12:

I wouldn't want to move from areas I like because of bad things that happen.

Imagine If our police moved to other countries to get away.

Australia has It's problems too like with drunken Aboriginals causing fights and attacks.

We all feel comfortable in familiar surroundings and crave security Max.

Aye but If everyone Immigrated from the problem wouldn't these problems get worse?

I'm sure most Poles would be happier staying in Poland but if there's a better standard of living to be had by coming to Liverpool then who can blame them? And remember what happened to that poor young woman here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4931).

Couldn't blame them but It would be better to better the standard of living where they are.

Couldn't blame them but It would be better to better the standard of living where they are.

Couldn't agree more Max. And the same could be said for this city to have retained its population over the years.

I think law and order broke down years ago to some prision sadly seems to offer a better existance than living on the outside world.
Crimes committed by teenagers seem to be getting more and more horrific too, *sighs*

Look at poor Jamie bulger, why did he have to die in such a horrific way?
It saddens me what one human being can do to another.
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There's a lot of very weak, evil, and easily led people in society. If it were otherwise then laws and a socially acceptable fabric wouldn't be needed. We would all be good to ourselves and to others.
We can hardly complain when we throw the mentally vulnerable on to the streets and call it 'care in the community', promote videos, DVDs and computer games that glorify anti-social behaviour, depict bestial cruelties, I believe that torture 'play' DVD films and computer games, child pornography, even snuff movies are available for the sick and the retarded.
We've kicked God, standards, principles out of everywhere from parliament down. And then complain at the consequences? Weird.

This is a reminder that horrific murders are also committed by adults, and not just 10 year old children.

Very right Phil.

I know people hate the term, but do gooders have done more harm than good, banning caning, discipline red taped, smacking and shouting at children to be followed by a government official pamphlet, adults not allowed to even raise there voices to kids in case of trauma, excuses being made for anti social behaviour rather than nipping it in the bud, also society attitudes going downhill and peer pressure at an all time high.

If something dosen't get done then there will be vigilante groups setting up left right and centre to combat the anti social, in turn they will up the ante with more weaponry. Is this what the government wants? Will the do gooders make the same excuse for the vigilantes rather than resorting to the 'your as bad as them' line?

Looks bleak.

Very right Phil.

I know people hate the term, but do gooders have done more harm than good, banning caning,


Dunno if I fall into your list of "do gooders" but thank god I didn't have to think about either of my kids being beaten by some twisted old psychotic teacher the way I was.

Who would want caning brought back ?

I wouldn't beat a dog with a stick, never mind a small child.

Awwww, give them a big hug and tell them how naughty they are.:hug:

I went to one of the strictest schools in Liverpool and corporal punishment never did any lasting harm to me, it did teach me discipline though which has definitely been beneficial in my adult life.

Awwww, give them a big hug and tell them how naughty they are.:hug:

I went to one of the strictest schools in Liverpool and corporal punishment never did any lasting harm to me, it did teach me discipline though which has definitely been beneficial in my adult life.

Personally I feel that if you can't discipline your kids and teach them what is right and wrong without beating them with a stick then maybe that's a sign that you shouldn't be having kids.

Don't get me wrong mate, I went to a strict school where beatings were commonplace too, and it didn't leave me with any lasting harm either, it doesn't mean it was right though.

Years ago it was common place for a husband to give his wife a couple of belts if she warranted it.

Thank God times have changed.:rolleyes:

Many years ago, our country used to send convicts to Australia. Now skipping many years to 2007 and I wonder wether moving to Aussie would be an option, leaving scum like this (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1277870,00.html) behind in the uk. Seems the UK is one criminal paradise. :PDT_Xtremez_12:


OMG! I missed this story.

what the hell is wrong with some people?

Some people don't deserve a chance at rehabilitation when they have done something this evil, and I for one don't want a single penny of my tax spent keeping scum like this.

But I don't believe in the death penalty.

Life hard labor,and I mean hard labor 'get them down the salt mines' :034:

I totally agree with Miguel about society being largely responsible for fostering that violent climate. As for corporeal punishment...I think the issue is even more basic than that, where the hell were those teens parents and why didn't they know where there kids were? Did the 17 year olds mother know she was dating a murderous 30 year old? I wouldn't just send those kids to jail I would send the parents too. I wasn't raised with any corporeal punishment but for gods sake my parents were there, they grounded us when we did wrong they raised us to know what is right, what is wrong and that there are consequences to doing wrong. I see parents now, a lot of witch are good and sadly a lot of others witch are completely irresponsible with there kids and really dun pay enough attention. I mean, my God, this is nothing that couldn't have been prevented with some PROPER parental guidance, attention and a good dose of discipline. It's like the people who did this were never taught any moral values. As for the 2 adults involved they're deranged they need to be locked up but I doubt they had any kind of morals either. I think the main problem is the lack of proper education and that starts at home. Sure the world is messed up these days but what we teach our kids and the attention we give em does make a difference.

It's sad also that there was no system in place to protect that man that got hurt and killed, there should have been someone to make sure he was safe and sad to say too often people like him find themselves isolated by society.

Hello Lunatic

Don't you mean "corporal punishment" not "corporeal punishment"?

In any case, it disturbs me that the British and the Liverpudlians specifically don't seem to be able to get a handle on how to curb crime and make society safe from rampaging criminals. Maybe it is, as was voiced to me when I was in Liverpool in May, that the criminals are coddled and everyone has to be so politically correct that strong measures are not possible. If that is so, it seems that society has a major problem with which to contend. It occurs to me though that a solution must be reached. A community must be able to survive without being held captive to real or imagined fears. Action must be possible to clean up the present situation in order to improve life in the city.

Chris

My apologies Chris, my English is imperfect at best I'm French Canadian we live in French.

The problem is larger than just in Liverpool or the U.k. It happens here too really the crimes are getting more and more violent. I mean there were always murders but now it's so wide spread.

Action is possible Chris but sadly I don't see many people in politics or in our communities doing much about it. I really believe that if we are going to be stopping those crimes we need to pay attention to the kids that are watching all this going on.

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:hug: y'all

Could always hand them over to the Iranians; a public spectacle offered as an apology for straying into their waters! (tongue in cheek by the way).