Rathbone Street Courts

[Georgec]

My grandfather was born in "5 in 4 Court" off Rathbone Street in 1899.

I have a map of Rathbone Street around the time but can't identify where exactly 4 Court was.

Anybody able to help?

[PhilipG]

Probably the only way to identify it is to get the 1890 1/500 OS map from the Record Office in the Central Library.
A smaller scale map will show it, but won't identify it.

[Gnomie]

Have you looked for him in the 1901 census?

he may still be there and you may find out what street the Court is near.

[Georgec]

Thanks for that.

Yes, he was still there in the 1901 census but (doh!) I hadn't thought to look at the preceding pages.

They don't help immensely, except that 2 Court and 4 Court seem to be next to each other, and then Rathbone Street proper seems to start with number 2.

I think therefore that 4 Court may be the second court down from the top of Rathbone Street, the long straight one next to the Telephone Exchange. But obviously if anyone has anymore info I'd be so grateful.

[WilliamBrown]

Rathbone Street: If I am right it was at the top of Brunswick Road near and opposite Grant Gardens. I can only recall that it was waste land by about 1957. Maybe the historians can tell us what exactly happened. In other words was it bombed? in the 1941 May Blitz?

[PhilipG]

Rathbone Street is shown on the map - 2 posts up.
Georgec. I have the small scale 1890 map and the Telephone Exchange was built on the site of courts, but 4 court would have been at that end.
As I said, the large scale 1890 map should identify the courts.

In case anybody isn't sure what courts looked like, they are the smallest buildings, always built back-to-back.

[TonyS]

Hi,

I've attached a large scale map from 1849, which names the courts. They were renamed at a later date to Court 1, Court 2, etc. You will need to view the Town Plans of 1890 at the Record Office - Sheets 106.14.19 & 106.14.24 show the courts off Rathbone Street.


LHS of Rathbone Street
Garners Terrace
Victoria Place
Temple Court
Gardners Buildings
James Terrace
Garners Court No. 3
Garners Court No.2
Garners Court No.1


RHS Rathbone Street
Heart Court
Ann Place - entrance off Back Rathbone
Belshaw Buildings - ditto
Bethel Place
Sandon Place
Creswell Place
Nile Place


Mount View
Dukes Place.
James Place.
Hughes Place.
Mount View Terrace


See you,

Tony

[Georgec]

Many thanks for that.

I have attached a couple of photos of courts if anyone doesn't know what they were like. The first one is number2 court Mount View, and the other is 1 Court Back Chester Street.

Imagine living in these!!

[xkopite]

I have located my ancestors in these streets and courts from 1819 to 1890.
Thank you for all the info from you fellas on this subject.

[xkopite]

Can anybody tell where abouts No 4 Rathbone Street may have been in the year 1828 please.
Many thanks.
Dave

[PhilipG]

Initially Liverpool's streets were numbered differently than today.
The numbering would start on one side and then run consecutively to the end of that side, then cross over the road and continue (consecutively) to the end, so number 1 would be opposite the highest number in the street.
The 1803 map (see attachment) is about the only early map to show numbers, and then not all, and it's difficult to figure out if they followed some sort of pattern.
Notice the numbering on Great George Street. Perhaps Rathbone Street was the same.
Then look at Rodney Street where the numbers go in a different direction.
Unfortunately, I've no idea when the system changed to odds on one side and evens on the other.

[xkopite]

Phil,
Many thanks at least it helps in some ways.