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No thank you

But the reds fans might join.

Mind you they wont if you are not decent enough to say hello

c`mon we dont mind adverts but at least introduce yourself matey

LFCLand is that where the wizard of oz lives down the yellow brick road?

Sorry can I decline your kind invitation to join you.

I support the peoples club not a franchise.

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John John John Do I detect a little green eyed monster appearing don't be bitter and twisted it costs more on the botox later on! Think kind thoughts and Youll never walk alone :unibrow:

LFCLand is that where the wizard of oz lives down the yellow brick road?

Sorry can I decline your kind invitation to join you.

I support the peoples club not a franchise.


The "peoples club" thing still makes me laff :rolleyes:

You might be supporting a Tesco franchise soon mate.

Do you get double tesco points for buying a season ticket :unibrow:

Do you get double tesco points for buying a season ticket :unibrow:

No

I wonder how many reds fans will stop shopping at tesco?

mind you do they have Tesco in Ireland, Scandanavia , Down South, etc, etc,

I wonder how many reds fans will stop shopping at tesco?

mind you do they have Tesco in Ireland, Scandanavia , Down South, etc, etc,

There's nothing like a good myth Gnomie.:rolleyes:

All I'll say is that those Irish and Scandinavians did a pretty remarkable job decking out just about every street in the city in red and white yet again last May.:unibrow:

There's nothing like a good myth Gnomie.:rolleyes:

All I'll say is that those Irish and Scandinavians did a pretty remarkable job decking out just about every street in the city in red and white yet again last May.:unibrow:

I was on about the people who attend the games

having worked at both grounds i know a lot more people from outside the city attend Liverpool games than Everton. it is no myth, it is a fact shared by many Liverpool fans i talked to at the games. some Liverpool fans are fed up not getting tickets when so many from outside the city get them, just ask them and they will tell you so.

this added to a USA ownership, a Spanish Manager and football team, makes it funny to hear reds fans call us wooly backs for moving 4 miles up the road .

I wonder how many reds fans will stop shopping at tesco?

Never Gnomie, They sell all my fave Beers and Munchies and there's one just up the road-and they are cheap:)

Who will be closer to the city center now,Tranmere or Everton?

Aint taking the mick just interested as I am not sure where the exact location is for the new Everton ground.

Going to a wedding later with lots of blues,reds and probs the odd Tranmere fan the info could come in handy :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Well still can not find exact location but it looks like no matter where they build in kirby Tranmeres ground is closer by miles..

looking at this map you may end up closer to St Helens.

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Joking apart Old Trafford isn't in the city of Manchester and they don't do too bad don't think it matters where you play as long as the team do well (yes there are plenty of jokes to be made there) won't go down that road again and upset Gnomie.

Joking apart Old Trafford isn't in the city of Manchester and they don't do too bad don't think it matters where you play as long as the team do well (yes there are plenty of jokes to be made there) won't go down that road again and upset Gnomie.

You dont upset me mate, its all good banter:PDT_Piratz_26:

I was on about the people who attend the games

having worked at both grounds i know a lot more people from outside the city attend Liverpool games than Everton. it is no myth, it is a fact shared by many Liverpool fans i talked to at the games. some Liverpool fans are fed up not getting tickets when so many from outside the city get them, just ask them and they will tell you so.



I've seen it too Gnomie, but Liverpool have attracted out of town suupporter for as long as I can remember, it's the price of success I suppose.

The myth I was talking about is the one that some Evertonians would try to have you believe, basically that Everton are the Peoples Club or the Club of the People which is silly to say the least.

Everton have got great supporters, they stick with the team through good times and bad, but they are deluding themselves if they think that the same thing exactly doesn't apply to Liverpools supporters.

Forget the out of towners, go to any street in any part of the city and you'll see as many reds (if not more) as Evertonians.

The People of Liverpool support both teams Gnomie, always have and always will.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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Alex "Sandy" Young (Born February 3, 1937, in Loanhead, Midlothian) is a former Scottish footballer. He was a prolific goal-scorer in Everton's 1962/63 championship season. He first played for Newtongrange Star in Midlothian but soon joined Hearts making his debut at the age of 18. He helped Hearts win the Scottish First Division chanpionship in 1958 with 20 goals. Two seasons later he scored 23 goals when Hearts won the title again.

He was signed for £42,000 by Harry Catterick from Hearts in November 1960 but was not an immediate success. However his partnership with Roy Vernon soon blossomed. Young scored 22 league goals in the 42 league games in the 1962/63 season and made many other goals. His elegant touch earned him the nickname of 'The Golden Vision' and caused much adulation. (Danny Blanchflower originally coined the name Golden Vision. In his words, it conveyed "the view every Saturday that we have of a more perfect world, a world that has got a pattern and is finite. And that's Alex – the Golden Vision.")

In addition to the championship, Young won an FA Cup winners medal in Everton's epic win in 1966. Young also won two caps for Scotland. Young scored 87 goals in 273 appearances for Everton before leaving for Glentoran in 1968. Young later played briefly for Stockport County for 23 games before a knee injury forced his retirement.

Once during an Everton home game, Young had been named as substitute. The crowd had been losing patience with the team when the stadium announcer had to read out an SOS message for someone in the crowd, coincidentally also called 'Mr Young'. The roar of approval was the loudest noise that afternoon.

Young ran his family's upholstery business in Edinburgh before retiring. He also had the pleasure of watching his son follow his lead and become a professional footballer in the 1990s. However, Jason Young could not match his famous father's prowess, and spent his career mostly in the Scottish lower divisions.

Belatedly, in August 2001, Everton gave Alex Young a testimonial at Goodison Park, with over 20,000 turning out to salute him.

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I was on about the people who attend the games

having worked at both grounds i know a lot more people from outside the city attend Liverpool games than Everton. it is no myth, it is a fact shared by many Liverpool fans i talked to at the games. some Liverpool fans are fed up not getting tickets when so many from outside the city get them, just ask them and they will tell you so.

this added to a USA ownership, a Spanish Manager and football team, makes it funny to hear reds fans call us wooly backs for moving 4 miles up the road .

Slight difference though that you appear to miss. LFC sell out the majority of games that makes it difficult for non season ticket / PTS memebers to get tickets local or not. Everton rarely sell out. Simple economics means irregardless of where you come from it'll be easier to get to watch Everton. 33,000 went to Everton v Chelsea last season and some Everton fans had the cheek to blame Chelsea for not bringing a lot of fans. Since when did the away fans get ovet 7,000 tickets?

In town i see more LFC shirts than Everton, and i'm in town every single day of the week.

I thought you,d know all about him John. He was my uncles hero years ago, used to kiss that photo after some matches.

cheers mate:)

but who are wearing the shirts? tourists?

plenty of Everton shirts about:)

but who are wearing the shirts? tourists?

plenty of Everton shirts about:)

Seriously mate, if it makes you happy to think that every Liverpool shirt you see are tourists and that Anfileld is sold out every single week by travelling Scandinavians then go right ahead.

It sounds beyond silly to me though.

And beyond sad afaik.:rolleyes:

Seriously mate, if it makes you happy to think that every Liverpool shirt you see are tourists and that Anfileld is sold out every single week by travelling Scandinavians then go right ahead.

It sounds beyond silly to me though.

And beyond sad afaik.:rolleyes:

What makes me happy is supporting Everton, who wears Liverpool shirts i could not care less. i just said it as a bit of banter, sadly it seems banter has no place on this forum.

funny how much banter flies round on Everton threads though.

as i pointed out i worked at both football grounds and met and talked to many of the fans. a lot of Liverpool fans told me how hard it was to get tickets, and that they where fed up of so many fans from outside the city where getting tickets before them. their words not mine. i also met more foriegn fans at Liverpool than Everton, lots of Scandanavians and German fans. ask a few Liverpool match goers and they will tell you the same. i also met foriegn fans at Everton, but not on the scale of Liverpool.

sadly it seems i can not say a word on a Liverpool thread here as it comes across as having a go. loosen up and enjoy the banter. oh i forgot you cant. never mind i will save my banter and chat about Liverpool fc for other forums that have more chilled out Liverpool fans on.

Are we allowed to say anything on this forum anymore?
if this is the future then what is the point.

and beyond sad............i would suggest you save that comment until i am standing in front of you.

I wonder if those Anfield sell outs include the may day bank hol monday game the season before last against boro when there were plenty of empty gleaming red seats in the sun, mind you it was on the telly. Don't be so ashamed at all the out of town coaches lined up along Priory road because as you said it's just a measure of Liverpool's success and who else are the Cornish going to support - Exeter City or Plymouth? :slywink:

What makes me happy is supporting Everton, who wears Liverpool shirts i could not care less. i just said it as a bit of banter, sadly it seems banter has no place on this forum.

funny how much banter flies round on Everton threads though.

as i pointed out i worked at both football grounds and met and talked to many of the fans. a lot of Liverpool fans told me how hard it was to get tickets, and that they where fed up of so many fans from outside the city where getting tickets before them. their words not mine. i also met more foriegn fans at Liverpool than Everton, lots of Scandanavians and German fans. ask a few Liverpool match goers and they will tell you the same. i also met foriegn fans at Everton, but not on the scale of Liverpool.

sadly it seems i can not say a word on a Liverpool thread here as it comes across as having a go. loosen up and enjoy the banter. oh i forgot you cant. never mind i will save my banter and chat about Liverpool fc for other forums that have more chilled out Liverpool fans on.

Are we allowed to say anything on this forum anymore?
if this is the future then what is the point.

and beyond sad............i would suggest you save that comment until i am standing in front of you.



TONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYY..
Take no bread poultice mate..

Everyone one Knows half the Liverpool supporters are called Baz and have feather cuts and wear Earings..

What about that Beaut with 7,000 badges and the daft goaty who loves gettin' his mush on the box..
He's from Llanberis or somewhere like that isnt he ?

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What makes me happy is supporting Everton, who wears Liverpool shirts i could not care less. i just said it as a bit of banter, sadly it seems banter has no place on this forum.



I like "a bit of banter" as much as anyone Gnomie, but to be honest most of the nonsense about Everton being the peoples club or all the Liverpool supporters being tourists, or called Sven or Bazz etc etc etc is all a bit silly as far as I'm concerned.

But as I said, if it makes you all happy to believe all that then who am I to rain on your parade ?

It just makes you all sound a little deluded imho.:rolleyes:

I wonder if those Anfield sell outs include the may day bank hol monday game the season before last against boro when there were plenty of empty gleaming red seats in the sun, mind you it was on the telly. Don't be so ashamed at all the out of town coaches lined up along Priory road because as you said it's just a measure of Liverpool's success and who else are the Cornish going to support - Exeter City or Plymouth? :slywink:


I don't remember that Boro game meself ?

I do know that Liverpool averaged over 44,000 the season before last in a ground that barely holds that amount.:rolleyes:

I don't remember that Boro game meself ?

I do know that Liverpool averaged over 44,000 the season before last in a ground that barely holds that amount.:rolleyes:


No reply as expected.

But I'm sure the daft "empty gleaming seats" gets some mileage down County Rd.:rolleyes:

I wonder if those Anfield sell outs include the may day bank hol monday game the season before last against boro when there were plenty of empty gleaming red seats in the sun, mind you it was on the telly. Don't be so ashamed at all the out of town coaches lined up along Priory road because as you said it's just a measure of Liverpool's success and who else are the Cornish going to support - Exeter City or Plymouth? :slywink:


Look closely enough at this (http://www.evertonfc.com/stadium) picture of Everton's proposed new stadium and there's loads of coaches, far more than a normal away support would bring. Its either the projected out f town Everton support, orthe shuttle buses from Lime St.:unibrow:

No reply as expected.

But I'm sure the daft "empty gleaming seats" gets some mileage down County Rd.:rolleyes:


No reply simply because I don't log on of a night.

I assume you don't remember the game because you never went then. :slywink:

The phone-ins after it suggested that certain out of towners buy their season tickets and then when on sky, don't always turn up, much to the annoyance of genuine locals who want to go.

Didn't Souness himself once lend himself to this 'myth' though and a couple of other ex players who are quoted on bluekipper.com

Don't worry though, I wouldn't. :)

Look closely enough at this (http://www.evertonfc.com/stadium) picture of Everton's proposed new stadium and there's loads of coaches, far more than a normal away support would bring. Its either the projected out f town Everton support, orthe shuttle buses from Lime St.:unibrow:

Ste, you should know that those are the single deckers from County Road to Kirkby :unibrow:

No reply simply because I don't log on of a night.

I assume you don't remember the game because you never went then. :slywink:


Living in Toronto that is more than likely I'm afraid Ged.

But as I said, the season before last Liverpool averaged over 44,200 per game, the capacity of Anfield was around 44,500 which tells me that there weren't too many of those "empty gleaming seats" that season.:rolleyes:

Ste, you should know that those are the single deckers from County Road to Kirkby :unibrow:

Tommy Smith once asked the question.......if Everton's support is all local how come it takes me over an hour to get through the tunnel after a Everton home game ?:unibrow:

Tommy Smith was a nob head:unibrow:

So having a full stadium and a bigger ground makes Liverpool better than Everton.

ah well then you must admit that the greatest team in the land is Man Utd :eek: with their far bigger fan base and far bigger stadium.

Tommy Smith once asked the question.......if Everton's support is all local how come it takes me over an hour to get through the tunnel after a Everton home game ?:unibrow:


Of course, people come through the tunnel to support both teams, you could live in Birkenhead or Wallasey and still be nearer the city centre of Liverpool than those who live in Litherland, Croxteth or Speke, it's just the fact there's a mile of water seperating them that makes it a bit of a mission for those without a car.

Tommy Smith was a nob head:unibrow:

It seems he was going 'home' over the water too then.

Tommy Smith was a nob head:unibrow:

Funny he always speaks so highly of you Gnomie.:unibrow:

A great player imho.

Funny he always speaks so highly of you Gnomie.:unibrow:

A great player imho.

whats he doing speaking of me, he dont know me.

told you he was a nob head:)

So having a full stadium and a bigger ground makes Liverpool better than Everton.

Did I say that ?

Just pointing out how amazing it is that all those tourists from Scandinavia and Ireland can pack over 44,000 into Anfield every home game.:rolleyes:

Likewise all those poor locals must have been stunned to find those wacky Norwegians had been so busy last May decking out all those homes all over the city in red and white. :unibrow:

whats he doing speaking of me, he dont know me.

told you he was a nob head:)

Betcha wouldn't tell him that though mate.:rolleyes:

Seriously isn't it a pity that we can't recognise a great player just because he played for another team ? Someone posted a picture of Alex Young on here the other day, I can't imagine calling him a nob head just because he didn't play for us.

He was a class act, as was Tommy Smith.

Likewise all those poor locals must have been stunned to find those wacky Norwegians had been so busy last May decking out all those homes all over the city in red and white. :unibrow:


that was the tag along with the winning team/armchair brigade.

i am talking about fans who go to the match. Everton get more locals ( THE PEOPLES CLUB ) liverpool`s local fans are having trouble buying tickets as so many from outside the city get them first. its a fact, expressed by Liverpool fans.

Everton are the peoples club, and a great move by Moyes giving us our true name on his first day in the job.:PDT11

my missus goes to watch Liverpool and she agrees that so many fans are from outside the city. she says she loves listening to all the accents.
our lot from Ireland come over to watch the reds or Blues. the reds get their tickets from a tout outside the ground, at inflated prices. its the only way they can get one unless friends of mine can get them here in advance.

I called Tommy Smith a nob head because i think he is a nob head.

lets go back to a penalty he took that led to him losing his benefits. there you go , a nob head.

also i dont think he was that good. Hanson was way better, Dagliesh was class. Highway was impressive. plenty of very good players have played for Liverpool, i just dont think Smith was as good as they say.

Of course, people come through the tunnel to support both teams, you could live in Birkenhead or Wallasey and still be nearer the city centre of Liverpool than those who live in Litherland, Croxteth or Speke, it's just the fact there's a mile of water seperating them that makes it a bit of a mission for those without a car.

I suppose they all could be from Birkenhead, but then again they could be from Rhyl or Bangor ?:eek:

i am talking about fans who go to the match. Everton get more locals ( THE PEOPLES CLUB )

It's not true, there are just as many locals (if not more) who support Liverpool as there are Evertonians. But I'm sure you'll convince yourself eventually if you say it enough or print it in big enough capital letters. :rolleyes:

It's not even original Shankly was saying we are the people over 40 years ago.

I called Tommy Smith a nob head because i think he is a nob head.

lets go back to a penalty he took that led to him losing his benefits. there you go , a nob head.



He hobbled on the pitch and kicked a ball, he did it for charity and some bitter losers rang in to try and get his benifits stopped.

Seriously Gnomie, there are so many nob heads in footy today. Smithy was a class act, hard as nails but fair. I never once saw him shirk a tackle, I never once saw him playact or roll on the floor like so many do today.

If he'd played for Everton you'd be singing his praises.

If he'd played for Everton you'd be singing his praises.

No i would`nt.

and i can tell you that Everton have had plenty of nob heads play for them:PDT_Xtremez_42:

No i would`nt.

and i can tell you that Everton have had plenty of nob heads play for them:PDT_Xtremez_42:

We all have had 'em Gnomie.

I just don't see Smithy in that catagory though mate.

His missus is another story though.:rolleyes:

we had Alexanderson. OMG what a nob head:PDT_Xtremez_42:

we had Alexanderson. OMG what a nob head:PDT_Xtremez_42:

We had Paul Ince.

Say no more.:rolleyes:

James Beattie

beat that:rolleyes:

James Beattie

beat that:rolleyes:

Easy.

El Hadji Diouff.:eek:

Ha ha, that's better. :)

Who was that scandanvian player that Everton got from italy and was so bad they got rid a few months later at a big loss?

And this goes along with Moyes complaining about not being able to compete with the likes of Portsmouth & Fulham.

Anyway to Gnomie about whether LFC or EFC are bigger.

Got any brasso to spare lad?

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Anyway to Gnomie about whether LFC or EFC are bigger.

Got any brasso to spare lad?

could not give 2 hoots what Liverpool have won. its about the fans. how many reds would support Liverpool if they where not winning trophies?
only the loyal would stick around.
Everton fans turn up and stay loyal without trophies.

not sure you should be using brasso on them cups though.
when i was working at anfield they took the European cup away for special cleaning, packed in a crate and all.

could not give 2 hoots what Liverpool have won. its about the fans. how many reds would support Liverpool if they where not winning trophies?
only the loyal would stick around.
Everton fans turn up and stay loyal without trophies.



Again with the myth.:rolleyes:

Liverpool haven't won the league in 17 years yet we've still had bigger average gates than Everton for all that time. even the seasons Everton won the League or a Cup we had bigger gates.

Even back in 1985, arguably Evertons best ever season when Everton won the League and the Cup Winners Cup Liverpool averaged more at the turnstiles winning nothing that season btw.

You've got to go back 37 years when Everton won the Championship 1n 1970 for the last time Everton averaged bigger crowds than Liverpool.

Liverpool's support is as loyal as any Gnomie.

And like it or not, no amount of catchphrases or myths is going to change that fact.:rolleyes:

Again with the myth.:rolleyes:

Liverpool haven't won the league in 17 years yet we've still had bigger average gates than Everton for all that time. even the seasons Everton won the League or a Cup we had bigger gates.

Even back in 1985, arguably Evertons best ever season when Everton won the League and the Cup Winners Cup Liverpool averaged more at the turnstiles winning nothing that season btw.

You've got to go back 37 years when Everton won the Championship 1n 1970 for the last time Everton averaged bigger crowds than Liverpool.

Liverpool's support is as loyal as any Gnomie.

And like it or not, no amount of catchphrases or myths is going to change that fact.:rolleyes:


Myths..what Myths?

fact . I am an Evertonian.
fact. I could not give a stuff what Liverpool win
fact. your ground is full of out of towners
fact. plenty of people who never attend a match jump on the Liverpool bandwagon when they are winning.
fact. Everton fans dont care what Liverpool fans say. we dont care how many trophies you talk about or how big your ground is or what player you have signed. all we care about is our own fantastic football team. the team we love.
It seems to me as if Liverpool fans are hell bent on trying to prove a point to Everton of their superiority...you must be very insecure with your team if all you ever worry about is how much better than Everton you are.

but you will never understand how fantastic it is to support a great football team like ours, we live and breath our team, we follow through every up and down, we are a family as one. FACT:PDT11

and before you go replying" Myths" , "get a life", "open your eyes", "bitter Bluenose"( all favourites of sad Liverpool fans ) just remember that i am an Evertonian. Liverpool have no power over me. what they do is meaningless to me. we dont sit around fretting how well Liverpool are doing or how superior they are, No we sit around laughing at them lording it up. in our eyes your shoite:) and always will be

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UP THE TOFFEES< THE PEOPLES CLUB


Hail, Hail, The Everton are here,
What the hell do we care,
What the hell do we care,
Hail, Hail, The Everton are here,
What the hell do we care now ...
For its a Grand Old Team to play for,
For its a Grand Old team to see,
And if you know the history,
Its enough to make your heart go
Woooooooaaaaaaarrrrrrr!!!

We don't care what the REDSHOITE say,
What the hell do we care,
For we all know,
That there's going to be a show,
When the Everton boys are there

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Myths..what Myths?

fact . I am an Evertonian.
fact. I could not give a stuff what Liverpool win
fact. your ground is full of out of towners


See you were doing so well there mate :rolleyes:

Yes you are an Evertonian, and well yes you are one of those Evertonians who doesn't seem bitter about our success, but even you find it impossible to string three "facts" together without falling back on the myth that our ground is full of out of towners.

Don't you see what a silly statement that is ?

We have had bigger average gates for THIRTY SEVEN years in a row, we do it when we win we even do it when Everton wins and Liverpool loses.

We even did it at least one season back in the 1950's when Liverpool were in Div 2 and Everton were in Div 1.

I suppose that was down to out of town supporters too ? :rolleyes:

It just doesn't make an ounce of sense does it ?:

Seriously Gnomie, I've never had a problem praising Everton's support, they have a good fan base that stick with them through thick and thin.

I just don't understand why you seem so desperate to paint Liverpool's support as fickle glory hunting, out of towners.

It's just not true, but for some reason so many Evertonians really need to believe this ?

It is true

as i have stated twice i worked at both grounds, talking to the fans i met many many outsiders at Liverpool. a lot more than Everton.

Many many Liverpool fans complain they cant get tickets because they are going to fans from outside the city. and it will get worse with the new ground.

so are they wrong? they are the fans. the true fans who cant get a ticket.

It is true

as i have stated twice i worked at both grounds, talking to the fans i met many many outsiders at Liverpool. a lot more than Everton.

Many many Liverpool fans complain they cant get tickets because they are going to fans from outside the city. and it will get worse with the new ground.

so are they wrong? they are the fans. the true fans who cant get a ticket.

Every time I go back (usually 2 or 3 times a season) I get allocated different tickets. Yes I see some Irish, some Scandinavians (not as many as some would have you believe) and hear accents from other places too.

But the vast majority of supporters are Scousers, just like most season ticket holders are all from Liverpool too.

Of course we have a lot more than Everton, we have a much larger fan base in the UK and around the world, as I've said before that's the price we have to pay for our success.

It's also the reason why we can attract high profile investors and better players, so every cloud and all that.:rolleyes:

As far as locals not getting in I'm sure this is true to an extent. Many of those who sit in the pub moaning that they can't get in because of Sven or Paddy are just making excuses though. I deal with the ticket office on an almost daily basis, if you are prepared to put a bit of effort in the tickets are available, the problem is that most of those supporters just don't try hard enough.

Btw, it won't get worse it will get much better for the locals once the new ground goes up in 2010, season ticket holders (and most are from Liverpool) will get first dibs, then those on the waiting list will come next (most on the waiting list, certainly those who have been on it the longest are mostly from Liverpool too).

you guys do like to chat away :handclap:
tis funny