Ok you lot. Seeing as I'm moving into the 'pool soon. I wanna hear 10 good things & 10 bad about Liverpool living.

Don't worry if you can't think of 10. Post what you can think of! Be honest and have fun with it ;-)

GOOD Things = (a bit of maths here) Liverpool x 10.
BAD things = (1) I dont live there.

Thats my input to a good thread.

Phredd (the 'F' as in elefant)

The Good

1) Summer festivals
2) Liverpool people young and old
3) A great bowl of scouse
4) 3 billion pounds+ worth of investment
5) More listed buildings than anywhere else outside of London
6) More Georgian Terraces than Bath
7) A flourishing southern end

The Bad

1) Stalling regeneration in certain communities
2) Communities blighted by issues including anti social behaviour

The Goods are uniquely Liverpool, we should be proud

The Bads are more national issues :)

I could go on but can't think at thew moment.

liking it..likin it... keep going...


ps..I love scouse...yummmmmm... that confuses lincoln folks...."What's scouse?" lol

GOOD..

1) 2 great football teams
2) Mathew Street and the Beatles
3) The Mersey and the Mersey Ferries
4) 2 great cathedrals (hmm starting to sound like a song I know):)
5) Our great Universitys
6) Great night life clubs,live comedy and bands
7) Some fantasic new shops being built in the city center (if shopping is your thing)
8) Great architecture,old and new
9) Some fantastic restaurants and new one's opening all the time
10) Me :PDT_Aliboronz_24: (jk)

I am sure all large citys have their bad points so Liverpool is no exception, but hey!thats life in the fast lane for yer:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Thinking of it purely as someone who lives here, trying to avoid the tourist thing, the Good:-

1) thriving city but Lakes and North Wales close by too.
2) improving shops - Met Quarter and L'Pool One to open soon.
3) Lots of traditional old pubs.
4) Plenty of parks
5) The River Mersey
6) Top class football, as well as rugby league not too far away
7) Range of theatres
8) Plenty of good restaurants, not limited to city centre
9) 24 hour Tescos and Asdas.
10) The festivals

The bad:-
1) The cost of parking in city centre
2) The Big Dig.
2) Higher insurance costs.
3) Public transport can be abysmal if trying to get from one suburb to another
4) A council that tends to dither and shoot its foot off sometimes (but glad to say slowly improving)
5) Scals who demand money to 'mind' your car at the match
6) Speed cameras popping up all over the place
7) The growing gulf between haves and have nots.
8) Mersey tunnel tolls & proposed toll for new Runcorn bridge
9) aggressive beggars
10) narrow minded bigots who detest anyone from east Europe or elsewhere coming to try and build a life here

oh gosh the last bad you said is aweful. My dad taught at Liverpool Community College as a language tutor to foreign students. He brought me in to help because I am disabled and he wanted to teach them words like "ramp" and "wheelchair" I met a romanian boy who told the class that if was romanian, I'd (meaning me) be in adult care home, wouldn't be allowed to work and would most probably die there.

What he said hit me hard. He was the most earnest soul I think I have ever met. I fell quite in love with him. He credited Liverpool with giving him rights and freedom. I've never forgotten that, wonder what happened to him? *daydreams*

more posts guys. These rule!

The Good

1) Great Architecture.
2) Butt load of tourist sites
3) Lots of village areas In the South End.
4) Great night views and lit up buildings.
5) Mersey with some good views from the Mersey too.
6) Great South end.

The Bad

1) The people.
2) Most of the North End
3) Bad roads until you get furthur Into the South End.
4) Drunk People.
5) Lack of good summer weather but thats National!

ohh that was a bit more negative..interesting!

oh gosh the last bad you said is aweful. My dad taught at Liverpool Community College as a language tutor to foreign students. He brought me in to help because I am disabled and he wanted to teach them words like "ramp" and "wheelchair" I met a romanian boy who told the class that if was romanian, I'd (meaning me) be in adult care home, wouldn't be allowed to work and would most probably die there.

What he said hit me hard. He was the most earnest soul I think I have ever met. I fell quite in love with him. He credited Liverpool with giving him rights and freedom. I've never forgotten that, wonder what happened to him? *daydreams*

more posts guys. These rule!

The bigotry bit probably got in after an incident yesterday,when I was on a bus driven by a Pole (Arriva recruit via agencies in eastern Europe) and a passenger was saying "they are all coming over here doing the jobs our lads could do". Given the number of times I've seen posters by Arriva advertising jobs, I assume that locals dont want to drive buses. The experience of getting the bus 4 times yesterday due to my car getting serviced, then taking 30 minutes to make trips that normally take 5-7 minutes by car was also a factor in number 4 of my bad points.

ohh that was a bit more negative..interesting!

As a teetotal fitness freak who treats his body as a temple Max is oversensitive to drunks.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

The good:

(1) South Liverpool ( I could easily do a list of 10 good things about this part of town)
(2) Fantastic architecture, more listed buildings than anywhere outside London, World Heritage City etc.
(3) Inbuilt bullsh*t detectors, distinctiveness of the city's people and approach to life.
(4) Fantastic buzz, resurgent city.
(5) The river and the Welsh hills.
(6) Theatres, museums, galleries, art-cafes.
(7) Restaurants and bars.
(8) Liverpool biennial.
(9) Music
(10) Tree lined avenues and parks.

The bad (most of these are true about every city):

(1) Filth and dereliction in too many places.
(2) A quickness to rubbish everything but do nothing about it, too much talk -not enough action.
(3) Depressing North - South divide within the city.
(4) Crap schools
(5) Low expectations, a readiness to settle for the next spliff, six-pack than anything more enduring.
(6) A history of 3rd rate local politicans.
(7) Racism
(8) A tendency to blame others for our own shortcomings.
(9) Too many rip off merchants.
(10) Shops in town close too early.

:)

I didn't know that people in the south of Liverpool harboured such a 'holier than thou' attitude. Interestingly the city centre, the world heritage site etc. is classed as being Liverpool North. http://www.merseyside.police.uk/html/livnorth/index.htm Does that mean it's second rate compared to the snobby south?*



*I know that not all have delusions of grandeur

Let's be positive. There are no Negative reasons for living in the S. End of Liverpool. (Are you a Manc ?)

[QUOTE=Jericho;68594]
The bad (most of these are true about every city):

Thanks for clarifying that Jericho.

Let's be positive. There are no Negative reasons for living in the S. End of Liverpool. (Are you a Manc ?)

Steven, you must really take these off sometime :unibrow:
http://www.angusbungay.com/gals/misfits/images/guided_1.jpg

"More listed buildings than anywhere else".
But only because for decades Liverpool was too poor to rebuild.
And luckily vast areas were relatively untouched by bombing.

Once you get outside the city centre, far too many good buildings have been demolished.
Just look at all the open land.

Good:

The River and its Ferries
The Welsh Mountains are near
The Cost of Living
The Night Life
The Parks and Gardens
The Range of Shops
The Architecture
The Sense of Humour
Summer Bank Holidays
Eating Out

Bad:

Racism rears its head occasionally
Football violence sometimes when Manchester visits
Drugs
Self deprecating
Can look scruffy in places
Too much traffic in the City Centre
Can be too inward looking
Lack of City Centre Facilities
Suffers from a bad reputation
The Weather

I personally like living in Liverpool, i think the people here CAN be friendly, BUT when i first moved here my kids put up with so much abuse because they are 'Londoners'. One lad told my daughter to "go back to England", i said we were in Enlgland, he was adament we were NOT as we were in Liverpool. I told him to go check a map and come back, i'm still waiting, 10 years later! I was lucky i got no abuse as i am Scottish, i was very angry at the racsist remarks, we are all ok now and my kids are accepted and have some very good friends.

The Good

1. The Scouse people and their sense of humour
2. The river and its ferries, and the docks
3. The waterfront, especially in the last year or two
4. The booming regeneration and investment
5. The architecture, past and present
6. The parks (Sefton Park's a favourite)
7. The music, past and present
8. The festivals - Mathew Street, Summer Pops, River Festival, etc
9. Beyond the boundaries there's countryside and fresh air, and the Lake District and Wales are only a couple of hours away
10. Cains beer, and loads of great pubs

and let's throw in

11. www.YoLiverpool.com :PDT_Aliboronz_24:


The Bad

You're saying there's BAD things about Liverpool? :unibrow:

OK then...

1. The city's scared of moving forwards, pushing the boundaries, being new
2. Anti-social behaviour
3. Dereliction
4. Public transport, namely the buses, namely in the evenings
5. The state of lots of the roads (saying that as a cyclist)
6. Not embracing the city enough for 2008
7. Not outgoing... where's the PR... missed loads of events around the city, even nearby, cos they weren't advertised
8...

erm..
eight..

No can't think of any more :PDT11

I didn't know that people in the south of Liverpool harboured such a 'holier than thou' attitude. Interestingly the city centre, the world heritage site etc. is classed as being Liverpool North. http://www.merseyside.police.uk/html/livnorth/index.htm Does that mean it's second rate compared to the snobby south?*



*I know that not all have delusions of grandeur

:rolleyes:

The people of South Liverpool don't harbour an 'holier than thou' attitude towards anyone. They call it like it is. Your remarks about the snobby south and 'second rate' seem to reflect a form of inverted snobbery so maybe you are saying more about your own values here? :)

FYI, UNESCO & LCC locate the WHS in central Liverpool not north Liverpool. Strictly speaking the Stanley Dock area is in north Liverpool but at the rate at which the city centre is expanding towards Stanley Dock and Parliament Street, perhaps it's only a matter of time before all this area is commonly seen as central Liverpool.

I guess it's unpleasant for one side of the city to be portrayed as largely positive and the other side to be seen in a less positive light but if this largely reflects the reality on the ground isn't it patronising to pretend otherwise?

"More listed buildings than anywhere else".
But only because for decades Liverpool was too poor to rebuild.And luckily vast areas were relatively untouched by bombing.

Once you get outside the city centre, far too many good buildings have been demolished.
Just look at all the open land.


If only this were true, we would still have a third more of the 'Georgian' area intact than we currenly have. The area in front of the Anglican cathedral, not forgetting the David Lewis theatre would be ripe for rennovation, the Cotton Exchange would have its glorious facade, the sailors' home would be a gem for all to marvel at, etc.

Unfortunately the areas that were relatively untouched by bombing were not the best of areas architecturally. Lord Street, James Street, South Castle Street, South John Street etc. used to be something really special before the war. Argubably the Customs House could have been saved - the decision was made to demolish it after the war was over and that area has seen two eyesores since.

Many good buildings have been lost but much has been retained (if sometimes in a state of poor repair). I agree that the open spaces in the inner city are depressing but in L8 at least there are signs that they will one day be filled and hopefully the St Anne's proposals for Everton will help out in that area, too. Once you get outside the inner city in south Liverpool there aren't any areas like this until you get to Garston under the bridge and that's about to change for the better, too.

If only this were true, we would still have a third more of the 'Georgian' area intact than we currenly have.

I think we would have more than a third. Don't forget the great swathe of housing behind the cathedral. Upper Canning, Upper Huskisson, Upper Parliament Street and the high end of Falkner Street all had good georgian housing similar to what is left.

(3) Depressing North - South divide within the city.


*ahem* :rolleyes:

Pity that most of the fine housing we had in north L'pool was swept away.
Look at Shaw st, or what's left of it. Everton rd had fine big houses, Breckside Park was lined with beautiful villas - a couple still surviving, Bootle & Crosby area certainly had lovely Victorian architecture some of it still remaining.
Everton was originally an affluent district with grand housing.
The villas in Anfield rd - now demolished :sad: .. and lots more I can't think right now.

When I stop to think of it north L'pool probably had just as much, if not more splendour than the south suburbs.

I wonder if some people on here are classing Bootle or Crosby as North Liverpool or do they class it as Sefton and so not counted as there is certainly as much splendour in Crosby and the coast guards area as there is in Woolton.

Pity that most of the fine housing we had in north L'pool was swept away.
I'm guessing it was because nobody could afford to live in it. With the creation of the middle class and the need for lower-price suburban houses, the big old grand Victorian townhouses weren't much good. I've seen some tasteful conversions, plus I spent a little while living in an unconverted one (shared with other people, of course). I'd love one in original unconverted layout near the Anglican Cathedral, but at upwards of £900k they're not cheap!

I love parts of Bootle & Crosby because it still retains the Victorian atmosphere.

I know Bootle is officially a place in it's own right, having a town hall etc, but I still regard it as L'pool - Scousers just like the rest of us. :)

if you read up on Liverpool history and see old pictures, you can see that the north of the city was a very fine place.

(3) Depressing North - South divide within the city.

Thats because the South Kicks arse.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[QUOTE=Jericho;68741]If only this were true, we would still have a third more of the 'Georgian' area intact than we currenly have. The area in front of the Anglican cathedral, not forgetting the David Lewis theatre would be ripe for rennovation, the Cotton Exchange would have its glorious facade, the sailors' home would be a gem for all to marvel at, etc.

Not sure what point you're making, but all of the above were demolished in the 1960s and 1970s. It's a fact that compared with other cities, Liverpool was pretty stagnant between the wars, and the lack of a significant amount of buildings from this period is proof. Hence the older ones were allowed to remain, and we can now boast of "More Listed Buildings than .........."
I know India Buildings and Martins Bank are from this period, but they were the exception rather than the rule.

Unfortunately the areas that were relatively untouched by bombing were not the best of areas architecturally. Lord Street, James Street, South Castle Street, South John Street etc. used to be something really special before the war. Argubably the Customs House could have been saved - the decision was made to demolish it after the war was over and that area has seen two eyesores since.

I stick by what I said.
Most of the city centre north of Lord Street was relatively untouched. Castle Street, North John Street, Dale Street, etc., and they have always contained the best architecture. Apart from the Customs House, James Street station tower, and one or two buildings on the south side of Lord Street, nothing of any significance was lost in the war in that vast area, which is now being rebuilt.

Thats because the South Kicks arse.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

I'm beginning to think that the south, as well as kicking it, talks out it too! (_*_) :unibrow:

Wow didn't expect this to turn into a City center/North divide discussion. Perhaps we are getting a little off topic?


Thanks for all your posts though, very interesting indeed! Much to think about

I'm beginning to think that the south, as well as kicking it, talks out it too! (_*_) :unibrow:

Talk Is obsolete when talking to many North or South Scousers. :nod:

I'm beginning to think that the south, as well as kicking it, talks out it too! (_*_) :unibrow:


Nice one Mark Lad :handclap:

*ahem* :rolleyes:

Sorry, you've lost me there!

Are you suggesting that there isn't a north - south divide in the city?

Perhaps you agree that there is a north - south divide but you're OK about it?

It's easy to make smart arse remarks but I would be interested in hearing a properly expressed opinion that by all means disputes my observation but does so using evidence.

Originally Posted by Jericho
(3) Depressing North - South divide within the city.

The people of South Liverpool don't harbour an 'holier than thou' attitude towards anyone. They call it like it is.

Before this thread started, I wasn't aware that a Watford Gap existed in Liverpool. Perhaps you could mark the boundary, sorry, depression, on a map for me.

I'm certainly not depressed living in West Derby, nor was I when I lived in Broad Green, Stoneycroft or Croxteth. So on behalf of the north of the city we live in, please accept my apologies if we are making you depressed.

There are districts in the north AND south that I thank God I'm fortunate enough to have the choice not to live in.

I could go on and on and on and never the twain shall meet, so, by all means reply, but I'm drawing a line under my part.

Yeah, there are plenty of places in south L'pool I wouldn't choose to live in either :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

both north and south of the city have their good and bad parts.

places I like in the south are:

Calderstones, Allerton areas. :PDT11

I agree. After all, this was meant to be a light hearted thread to help me get a balanced view of the City. If you don't mind me saying, the way this thread has gone isn't exactly selling Liverpool to an outsider who hopes to make a happy home for herself in a city she has grown to love. It doesn't matter where people are from, we are all the same. Your fostering such attitudes just makes me wonder if I'll be treated as an outsider too. How is that good?

Here are a few random facts about me and where I live:

1. My mum is from Liverpool as are at least 2/3rds of my family

2. I'm an aspiring writer and film maker who has based much of my (so far unpublished) work in Liverpool. It's a city that has always inspired me.

3. I BECAME a Beatles fan AFTER visiting Liverpool when I was 14. I didn't arrive as one.

4. I like Liverpool folk very much. In Lincoln, I don't like talking to people because I find them cliquey. In Liverpool, I talk to EVERYONE and feel much more like myself.

5. There are creative folks everywhere in Liverpool. From art students, artists and bands to street corner buskers! In Lincoln all there is at Lincoln uni are Travel and Tourism and Phsychology (sp?) students. (in other words - they'll help you get out of the city or sort your head out if you can't lol)

6. All but 2 of the live music venues in Lincoln are inaccessable to wheelchairs. Don't get me wrong, there are LOTS of places in Liverpool I can't get into but there are MORE places I CAN get into than Lincoln (and yes, I know Liverpool's bigger)

7. I can be a stranger in Liverpool. Because Lincoln is smaller, I am a reasonable well known face among certain communities. such as: Rock and Metal crowds, Goths and even the local disabled community (whom I am uncomfortable with) They have all known me as Louisa: the disabled girl with the mad hair and big gob. The fact remains, That's who I was was when I was 17 (I am still like that at the core of me) . I'm 32 now and would like room to grow as a mature adult. Old faces, look with old eyes. Fresh faces see you differently. Maybe that has less to do with Liverpool and more to do with me but, freedom is precious and I don't have enough of it here.

8. I like the no nonsense way my Liverpool family bring up their kids. It's definately a Liverpool thing. They trust me, to feed change and generally muck in with the kids. Never for a second do they think I cannot cope.
The situation with the other side of the family is oposite. I get "Be Careful" and "I'll do that". I would be much much happier bringing my kids up in the 'pool because I'll get support, rather than judgement. I put this down to everyone treating everyone the same.

9. Nobody bats an eyelid if you get your vid camera out in Liverpool. People are used to being filmed, for obvious reasons! In Lincoln, people are pretty suss about it & generally seem disquieted by such a thing. Media students in Lincoln really struggle to find folks happy to be filmed.

Just my thoughts.

Some threads do go off on tangents, and 'The Alehouse' (where this thread is) is the one where we don't need to be deadly serious.
There isn't a north/south divide in Liverpool, but it is a big city and most people are loyal to the area they live in.
The older people will tell you that apart from going into town, they never left their own area.

LiverpoolLou you sound like you'd be a great asset to the city - hope you get your flat sorted soon.

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Yeah, there are plenty of places in south L'pool I wouldn't choose to live in either :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

both north and south of the city have their good and bad parts.

places I like in the south are:

Calderstones, Allerton areas. :PDT11

Woolton and Gateacre Is the best.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

L6 Anfield (north Liverpool)
L7 Kensington (east Liverpool)
L8 Toxteth (south Liverpool)

Living in east Liverpool I surely have the best of both worlds!!! :)

Isn't Kenny North since It's on the other side of Edge Lane?

Thats what Wallesy's flickr says anyway.

The Grassendale/Cressington part of Garston rules too.

I like the little houses on the Woolton streets the best like on Quarry Street just behind the Grapes.

They'd rock to live In.

Isn't Kenny North since It's on the other side of Edge Lane?

They haven't widened Edge Lane and built a wall of apartments yet so we can still cross the line! :unibrow:

I just prefer the south because I'm biased for where I was born and because It's kept more of It's village looks In many areas.

The North mostly has some of Croxteth I think and Crosby thats village like.

Ah but I live in the posh part of Kenny, Max. :p

Theres a posh part?

Is that by the Gym 21 and McDonalds?

Walden : Thanks hon, I hope to be.

I know "the alehouse" aint a serious thread. I just didn't know where to post this. ;-) so i stuck it in here lol

I can't say I'm loyal to where I live, mind you. I do like my flat. It will be hard to give it up. I'm not serious all the time guys, it's just not a good day. My granny died. But anyway... carry on..;-)

Walden : Thanks hon, I hope to be.

I know "the alehouse" aint a serious thread. I just didn't know where to post this. ;-) so i stuck it in here lol

I can't say I'm loyal to where I live, mind you. I do like my flat. It will be hard to give it up. I'm not serious all the time guys, it's just not a good day. My granny died. But anyway... carry on..;-)

Sorry to hear about your granny.

I wouldn't take what we are saying on this thread too seriously. People are used to putting their oars in in support of their own opinions, that's all. I wouldn't take it too seriously. :)

Originally Posted by Jericho
(3) Depressing North - South divide within the city.

The people of South Liverpool don't harbour an 'holier than thou' attitude towards anyone. They call it like it is.

Before this thread started, I wasn't aware that a Watford Gap existed in Liverpool. Perhaps you could mark the boundary, sorry, depression, on a map for me.

I'm certainly not depressed living in West Derby, nor was I when I lived in Broad Green, Stoneycroft or Croxteth. So on behalf of the north of the city we live in, please accept my apologies if we are making you depressed.

There are districts in the north AND south that I thank God I'm fortunate enough to have the choice not to live in.

I could go on and on and on and never the twain shall meet, so, by all means reply, but I'm drawing a line under my part.

I'm not talking about the north - south divide in terms of good/bad areas to live. There are good and bad areas in both sides of the city. I'm talking about the divide in terms of the statistics that show that in comparison with the south of the city the north is economically stagnating. More of its inhabitants are 'workless' (this seems to be the new term for living on the soc), fewer of its inhabitants have qualifications and even fewer go on to university, mortality rates are higher, amenities are fewer, people from outside the city who can afford to make a choice choose not to live there, house prices overall are much, much lower than in the south of the city, the schools are poorer, crime is higher - on every index in comparison with the south the north is disadvantaged and it is this that I find depressing.

If that's true, isn't that a job for the council to sort in part then?.

I have always used the Royal Liverpool Hospital as the marker between north and south.

Wouldn't know whether the eastern boundary was Edge Lane or Wavertree Road though? :)

Sorry to hear about your granny.

I wouldn't take what we are saying on this thread too seriously. People are used to putting their oars in in support of their own opinions, that's all. I wouldn't take it too seriously. :)

yeah, we love a good old natter on here. A lot of leg pulling and 'our area's better than your area' ha,ha

we have some very lengthy arguements at times and we bicker and back bite like and old married couple :unibrow: :hug:

10 Good

Everton FC:handclap::PDT_Aliboronz_24:
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Bad

Liverpool FC :PDT_Xtremez_42::PDT_Xtremez_12:
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Well I like ALL of Liverpool but as I,ve said before, there IS a divide as far as the maintenance and upkeep of the city goes. People with posh voices (in the south) get far more achieved than the tatty north. Yes I can see that the north is tatty compared to the south which is far from tatty. I could see it when I lived there and I can see it now when I don,t. A lot of residents are blinkered in Liverpool, perhaps there should be a cultural exchange between the two to see how the other half live. Having said all that though, I will not be drawn to pistols at dawn, I reiterate (what!) i STILL love my city. :hug:

The Good

1) Great Architecture.
2) Butt load of tourist sites
3) Lots of village areas In the South End.
4) Great night views and lit up buildings.
5) Mersey with some good views from the Mersey too.
6) Great South end.

The Bad

1) The people.
2) Most of the North End
3) Bad roads until you get furthur Into the South End.
4) Drunk People.
5) Lack of good summer weather but thats National!

The people=bad?

The Good

1) Summer festivals
2) Liverpool people young and old
3) A great bowl of scouse
4) 3 billion pounds+ worth of investment
5) More listed buildings than anywhere else outside of London
6) More Georgian Terraces than Bath
7) A flourishing southern end

The Bad

1) Stalling regeneration in certain communities
2) Communities blighted by issues including anti social behaviour

The Goods are uniquely Liverpool, we should be proud

The Bads are more national issues :)

I could go on but can't think at thew moment.

I can not understand, why do u think, is bad the different nationalities. Maybe, I understand it, coz my English is not good still...

I think, that when a person is moving to other place, have to learn and to adapted, and never forget his birthplace. But never try to change the costumes, language, ...

Why do u think so?

Goods
1) Is a place next to the coast. I love the sea, but I do not like the beach with a million of people...
2) The weather like. I love the long nights and HAVE U SEEN SOME GRAY SKY NICER THAN THIS?
3) Its football. I like LFC, but I have to admit that Everton is a great club and its France Collection its fantastic.
4) Its music. Since the Beatles until today. A lot of festivals, concerts, ...
5) Its architecture. Its fantastic. The 3 Graces, the docks, Hope St., ... a lot of beautifull buildings.
6) A lot of green areas too, perfect to be missing!! Sefton Park, Wavertree, The Mistery, Childwood, ... the channels, very nices too.
7) Its situation. In front of Dublin, and near of the centre of England. Not to far of the north and of the south.
8) Its Pubs with its Guinness and its music.

Bads
1) Its transport, the buses are expensives, not running very well, few hours for me, coz are starting very late and finish very soon.

I can not understand, why do u think, is bad the different nationalities. Maybe, I understand it, coz my English is not good still...

I think, that when a person is moving to other place, have to learn and to adapted, and never forget his birthplace. But never try to change the costumes, language, ...

Why do u think so?

I don't think Kev means the problem is people from other nations; but a lot of the problems Liverpool have, are shared by other places up and down the country - anti-social behaviour, not enough regeneration of run-down areas.

I don't think Kev means the problem is people from other nations; but a lot of the problems Liverpool have, are shared by other places up and down the country - anti-social behaviour, not enough regeneration of run-down areas.

I like to think so. In my country are people who do not like foreigners. Personally, I am not thinking so, only I like that the people who is moving to other place, have to respect it, the language, the costumes, ...

Afortunally, only I had only one problem with one person, to be foreigner here.