Old Museum question!

[Wato]

Hiya kids,

Sorry didn't know where else to post this question.

In the old museum, inside the entrance there used to be a massive long banner/poster of the Liverpool waterfront from centuries ago ( least i think it was centuries ) on the wall.

Question is - Anyone know where that went? I'd love to see it again.

I Used to love that and the old street on the left, the battleground scene with the periscope and sandbags....and the trains in the basement.

Anyone else miss anything that's gone now?

Peace and Happiness.....Gaz

[Ged]

Hiya Wato. With living just behind the Museum in the tenements, me and my mates were never out of the Museum and Art Gallery, especially sniffing around after girls. But you got to know all the exhibits and paintings respectively off by heart.

I remember the old cobbled street where you'd press the button and hear kids doing rhymes and talking/laughing. The trains in the transport section in the basement with the dummies at the windows of the carriages, the old fire engine, John Mason removal wagon, the lion loco, the green Ford Anglia that ended up at the MoLL etc.

From the basement, you would walk along the corridor that was the aquarium, dark and lined both sides with glass cases of all kinds of sea life, crabs, colourful fish, mini sharks, catfish, starfish - I don't think the modern day one compares at all.

The far end of that corridor contained the lizards, tarantulas, stick insects and snakes. Up to the mid 1970s, upstairs was a big glass case with a section of pinewoods, beach and the railway line in the freshfield area and you could press buttons and a light would come on in the model explaining what it was. Great memories.

[Gerard]

Hiya Wato. With living just behind the Museum in the tenements, me and my mates were never out of the Museum and Art Gallery, especially sniffing around after girls. But you got to know all the exhibits and paintings respectively off by heart.

I remember the old cobbled street where you'd press the button and hear kids doing rhymes and talking/laughing. The trains in the transport section in the basement with the dummies at the windows of the carriages, the old fire engine, John Mason removal wagon, the lion loco, the green Ford Anglia that ended up at the MoLL etc.

From the basement, you would walk along the corridor that was the aquarium, dark and lined both sides with glass cases of all kinds of sea life, crabs, colourful fish, mini sharks, catfish, starfish - I don't think the modern day one compares at all.

The far end of that corridor contained the lizards, tarantulas, stick insects and snakes. Up to the mid 1970s, upstairs was a big glass case with a section of pinewoods, beach and the railway line in the freshfield area and you could press buttons and a light would come on in the model explaining what it was. Great memories.


Nice one Ged..The big ship sailed down the ally ally o was one of them rhymes..
D'yer remember the Lime green Ford Anglia in the Basement by the Trains,the 1st car of the production line,its coming back the museum.
Great memories indeed Lad :handclap:

[Gnomie]

I loved the shrunken heads and the mummies hand with the gold ring.

ring o`roses i think was one of the tunes in the cobbled street.

[Gerard]

I loved the shrunken heads and the mummies hand with the gold ring.

ring o`roses i think was one of the tunes in the cobbled street.

I think your right Tony me boy.,
Remember walking through the little bit that was about 20 yards long with a soldier in a lying down position and a 1st world war uniform on in a mock battlefield..
The section was all about the 1st world war if I remember correctly.
He had a big tommy gun with about 50 bullets coming out of one side on a long thingy..
That frikened me the spooky mood in there..I wouldnt go in on me own mate..:eek:

[Ged]

There were also soldiers uniforms, dressed on manequins with just a mesh face, bright red tunics, then the savannah plains reconstruction with animals on them. The space room on the 3rd floor with the Planetarium, everything looked dead bright when you came out of there. That anthill in a glass case that looked like a wotsit, you know what I mean.

[Sloyne]

That anthill in a glass case that looked like a wotsit, you know what I mean. Thanks Ged, thought it was just me who thought that. ;)

[Gerard]

There were also soldiers uniforms, dressed on manequins with just a mesh face, bright red tunics, then the savannah plains reconstruction with animals on them. The space room on the 3rd floor with the Planetarium, everything looked dead bright when you came out of there. That anthill in a glass case that looked like a wotsit, you know what I mean.


Arrrrrrrr thats right Ged..Thats why I was frikened..
Them Red tunics like out of Zulu but no Michael Caine Gob..
No Gob as yer mention in fact..just that spooky mesh thing under the white helmet..
Nightmare Stuff from Sapphire and Steel
Frighten the life out of any 23 year old.

[Ged]

Lol :)

[Wato]

Yeah, I miss all that....That's what I mean by the soldiers with the periscope and sandbags and all the medals etc....It seem's to be what people remember the most....Brilliant days. I just remember walking in and seeing that big fountain with all the money in and the model ships on the ground floor....then seeing this big massive long poster of our waterfront from oldy worldy times. fascinated me that.

Yeah mate we'd try chat the girls up too...but they always wanted to go the top floor to the cafe and make us buy them drinks on tick of a snog :eek: So if it wasn't looking promising on the way up...we'd lose em in the space rocket section :PDT11

I'd love to get a print of that waterfront though...ahh well.

Raise your glasses for a 10p cuppa tea and a snog on the steps outside!! :hug:

Peace and Happiness.....Gaz

[Gerard]

Yeah, I miss all that....That's what I mean by the soldiers with the periscope and sandbags and all the medals etc....It seem's to be what people remember the most....Brilliant days. I just remember walking in and seeing that big fountain with all the money in and the model ships on the ground floor....then seeing this big massive long poster of our waterfront from oldy worldy times. fascinated me that.

Yeah mate we'd try chat the girls up too...but they always wanted to go the top floor to the cafe and make us buy them drinks on tick of a snog :eek: So if it wasn't looking promising on the way up...we'd lose em in the space rocket section :PDT11

I'd love to get a print of that waterfront though...ahh well.

Raise your glasses for a 10p cuppa tea and a snog on the steps outside!! :hug:

Peace and Happiness.....Gaz



Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the fountain with money in.Its all coming back now..
Happy days eh Gaz :PDT11

[MerseysideTransportTrust]

Hi All

We used to be involved with the Large Objects Store, don't know whether any of you visited it was a fantastic place.

A lot of stuff is now held in the Museum Store in Juniper Street Bankhall.

Was thinking i could possibly arrange a forum visit round the store with Sharon the Curator if anyone interested.

Regards

Rob

[drone_pilot]

Yes please,:PDT11 that sounds like a good idea.

[chippie]

I went round the large objects museum years back and loved that heavy stuff. I found it more entertaining than anything else in the museums. Do remember the fountain with the money in it, we,ve got one here but we call it the toilet. lol :)

[MarkA]

Was thinking i could possibly arrange a forum visit round the store with Sharon the Curator if anyone interested.

Count me in. I saw it on a program last week with some fella that has long hair, wore a leather'ette coat, waistcoat and stacky boots. Bloody awful dress sense, but a great programme. He went to a 'secret location' (you've blown its cover now :ninja:) where, basically, all the transport exhibits from basement of the museum were stored.

[Ged]

Yes Rob, please keep us informed about that. I am surprised that the new museum will only increase the large objects on show to 6%. I should think they should open that large objects store up more regularly if it was practical to do so. Do the NMGL own the warehouse or rent it I wonder?

[PhilipG]

Include me in as well, please.
I went to the Prince's Dock years ago, and have always regretted not taking photos.
Does all the old transport (buses, etc.) survive?

[Wato]

Ohhhh indeedy!!!

Thats sounds brilliant, I'm sure for a lot of us to see those Exhibits would be a massive trip down memory lane.

If that's possible please let us all know. I'm sure there'll be a lot more of us who will turn out if we pass the word around the site.... Thanks mate :handclap:

Peace and Happiness.....Gaz

[MerseysideTransportTrust]

Include me in as well, please.
I went to the Prince's Dock years ago, and have always regretted not taking photos.
Does all the old transport (buses, etc.) survive?

Hi Philip.
Large Objects Store

Buses were the MTTs

Fire Engines Merseyside Fire Museum (these are now kept at rear of Waterloo Fire Station ) visits available.

The trams are at Wirral Transport Musum Birkenhead another good visit.

Most of the other stuff is at a THE secret location <grin>

regards

Rob

Might have some photos somewhere of the LOS

[MarkA]

The secret location they were in was the one where the had the only remaining 3rd class carriage from the overhead railway.

[Ged]

Ssshhh.

[Wato]

Nadge Nadge wink wink sayyyy na morrrre sayyyy na morrre... your wife like photography? caaaaandid photography? wink wink nadge nadge sayyyy ne more!

Seriously though, that'd be amazing. Thank you :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

Peace and Happiness......Gaz

[ghughesarch]

Hiya kids,

Sorry didn't know where else to post this question.

In the old museum, inside the entrance there used to be a massive long banner/poster of the Liverpool waterfront from centuries ago ( least i think it was centuries ) on the wall.

Question is - Anyone know where that went? I'd love to see it again.




It was an enlargement of a six foot long fold-out engraving by T Sulman issued in 1865 by the Illustrated London News - there's an original one on sale here if you've got £300:

http://www.garwood-voigt.com/catalogues/britain.htm

And a not very big reproduction of it here:

http://www.garwood-voigt.com/catalogues/H23582LiverpoolSulman.jpg

A reprint was included in one of the Scouse Press "Liverpool Packet" collections of maps and views that used to be sold in the museum shop in the 1980s.

Gareth

[Ged]

It's not genuine, I can't see sheil Road heights on it anywhere.

[Wato]

It was an enlargement of a six foot long fold-out engraving by T Sulman issued in 1865 by the Illustrated London News - there's an original one on sale here if you've got £300:

http://www.garwood-voigt.com/catalogues/britain.htm

And a not very big reproduction of it here:

http://www.garwood-voigt.com/catalogues/H23582LiverpoolSulman.jpg

A reprint was included in one of the Scouse Press "Liverpool Packet" collections of maps and views that used to be sold in the museum shop in the 1980s.

Gareth


Cheers mate,

Thanks for the info, I'll have to look into those :PDT11

Peace and Happiness....Gaz

[Louis]

they have one of those in the history building in Liverpool Uni, ive spent a little while looking at it hehe

[quincyg]

only went in there once with my dad and I loved it. sadly didn't have a camera then.
took this in the 90's after it had closed.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/loc.jpg

would love to be able to see some of the exhibits again, hope they find somewhere for them.

[DaisyChains]

Only just seen this thread.
What memories!

I actually bought an old Kings Regiment booklet from Ebay last week, from the old museum.

What have they done to it now?! I'm sorry, but I think the new museum is terrible.

I loved the massive old doll house they had in the foyer, remember that?!
The money fountain too!

The mummies were always my favourite. Anyone remember that massive man on a horse or something? It used to scare the life out of me!!!!!

The transport section in the basement always fascinated me.
I always wanted to get on that old train in the middle!

Are we still going on a visit?!!! Please!!!:hug:

[Mark R]

The man on the horse - I think that was a Sudanese Warrior.
Remember the old street with the copper and the red button you pressed to hear live 'sounds' from the street? That was excellent...:PDT11

[Ged]

Yeah wasn't it ring-a-ring-a-roses, an old plague song.

[robbo176]

Yeah wasn't it ring-a-ring-a-roses, an old plague song.

and The big ship sails on the Alley Alley Oh,Alley Alley Oh,Alley Alley Oh :PDT_Piratz_26:

[DaisyChains]

The man on the horse - I think that was a Sudanese Warrior.
Remember the old street with the copper and the red button you pressed to hear live 'sounds' from the street? That was excellent...:PDT11

Yes! He was a warrior, he had a chainmail outfit on I think. He really scared me.

The street too! It was all brilliant.

[quincyg]

loved that street. It was in the Labour Museum at the top end of William Brown st for a while.

I was disappointed it wasn't moved to the Museum of Liverpool Life when that originally opened.

Wonder what happened to it?

[Mark R]

Yes! He was a warrior, he had a chainmail outfit on I think. He really scared me.

The street too! It was all brilliant.

I think I also remember the bust of a warrior wearing chain armour and holding a sword - he was pretty frightening too!

[DaisyChains]

spooky stuff!

I also remember in the roman/greek part with all the statues, they had a time when they all spoke (had loop tapes running in the background) and I think the statue lit up. That scared the life out of me!

[quincyg]

I also liked the military corridor with all the old uniforms and the display with I think it was the Queen Mother presenting the colours to troops. it was done to look like it was going off into the distance.

[Mark R]

I remember the rooms to the left of the entrance. There was a ring of Napoleon's there with a lock of Josephine's (or Marie Louise's??) hair.

I think there was also a room depicting a court martial (in the military section) and a scene from the trenches from the 14-18 war. Wasn't there also a couple of VC's on display?

[Ged]

I remember the court martial scene.

[Mark R]

I'm sure there was also a massive Totem Pole (Native Canadian tribe, I think). Also the shrunken heads in one section...:shock:

[Ged]

Yep, it's all coming back now. That antlered animal in bones too. As you first went up all the museums steps and into the entrance there was the sunken pond with all the coins in it by the info desk.

Anyone remember the big glass case upstairs with the model in it of the freshfield section of railway line and pine trees/beach and you could press buttons that lit it up certain sections of it and it would lite up a description of what you were looking at. I enquired about that and apparently it was donated to a Formby school to have in their entrance hall.

[Mark R]

God yes - the pond with the coins in it! (I've got a vague memory of the railway line). Remember the penny farthing on the wall in the transport section and also the Ford Anglia (I think it was blue)? My Dad always had an Anglia. I think there was also a giant model of the Titanic just after the entrance.

[Ged]

Yes, the Anglia though was a pale green one. It was later in the museum of Liverpool life at Mann Island.

[Mark R]

Yes, you're right - I remember now - it was green. I think there was also a Ford Escort (XR3i)?? Also a carriage from the Overhead Railway.

[DaisyChains]

Wasn't there a royal coach in the basement?

And the old fire engine!

I loved the coin pond in the foyer.
I don't remember the shrunken heads though, although I remember the totem pole.

[Mark R]

Not sure about the coach - I remember the fire engine though!

[quincyg]

here's the old Anglia, I've got a better photo somewhere, will try and find it.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/DSC00207.jpg

[DaisyChains]

here's the old Anglia, I've got a better photo somewhere, will try and find it.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/blogging2/DSC00207.jpg

Wow! What a brilliant pic!
Do you have any more of the old museum?

[quincyg]

Wow! What a brilliant pic!
Do you have any more of the old museum?

I've got a few of the Liverpool Life museum I can scan in. didn't have a camera when I used to go to one in William Brown St, before it went crap.

Will sort some out later

[Gnomie]

Liverpool life pics

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Liverpool-Life-1/

and here

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Liverpool-Life-2/



:)

[quincyg]

Liverpool life pics

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Liverpool-Life-1/

and here

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Liverpool-Life-2/

:)

excellent stuff...saves me swearing at my scanner! :PDT_Piratz_26:

[ChrisGeorge]

Fine pics, Quincy and Gnomie! :PDT11

Chris

[brian daley]

Down here in the midlands,we had a really good museum for all forms of transport and scientific inventions.The Science Museum was a great place for a family day out,they had full size passenger loco's and all manner of aircraft ,cars ,motorbikes,etc,etc, in fact everything that Birmingham and the midlands was famous for. In the 80's plans were made to turn a section of the city into a "place of scientific ,historic ,artistic and literary learning".
The target was to get it started by the new millenium. And thus was Millenium Point born. A wonderful piece of architectural work. I know, I provided the security for the site.
All of the artifacts were relocated from the old museum site and reinstalled there when it was opened.
When you took your family to the old museum there was no charge,at Millennium Point it will cost the average family ,2+2, £34-00p for a visit.
Just thought I'd let you know,is that going to happen in Liverpool?
BrianD

[DaisyChains]

excellent stuff...saves me swearing at my scanner! :PDT_Piratz_26:

Brilliant stuff!

I have an old museum booklet from the 90's with pics of the transport section and the other bits and bobs too, but don't have a scanner at the mo!

But have a look here...

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/collections/transport/index.asp

[quincyg]

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[Ged]

The Museum. From the book i've posted up on the 'Some of my old stuff' thread. Although this pic is from 1966, this was still on exhibit well into the late 1970s.

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2846/museumwelcome66as5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)




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[DaisyChains]

Thats a great picture Ged!

[Kolchak]

Do you remember that there was a working fire alarm inside a metal bollard?
There was a small sticker on it which sort of told a warning story about a man who once pressed the button and was fined.

I used to love the Aquarium section, do they still have it? I could spend what seemed like hours in there, it was quite a dark quiet corridor and all the tanks had pictures of the fish next to them, you could press the button and the picture would light up.

[Ged]

I don't like the new aquarium, the old one like you describe was much better.

[julieoapw]

There seems much less in the new museum although it is supposedly twice the size. When I went around it, I thought it had been seriously dumbed down and was aimed at school parties. Nothing wrong with catering for schools but they shouldn't be the only ones catered for.
I loved the old basement with the carriage, bus, fire engine etc. Wasn't the Lion locomotive there too?

[scouse smurf]

Gotta agree with Julie, I was so disappointed when I went round the "new" museum. Seems alot less, more arty type things (They had lots of photo's of Gorilla's when I went). I miss the transport floor and the clock and totem pole that used to go all the way up to the cafe.

I'm so hoping the mann island musuem will contain alot of the old stuff, but I'm not getting my hopes up

[Ged]

Mann Island will be concentrated on Liverpool only so no totem poles there. I agree, the old museum was well better and being local, we knew each floor, exhibit and attendant like the back of our hand.

[DaisyChains]

The 'new' museum last time I went also is wasting that grand entrance with the steps and the pillars.
We had to go into some rubbish side door!

[Ged]

Yes, that's very true.