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Kev
09-20-2005, 11:57 PM
Liverpool Cathedral

The largest Anglican Cathedral in the world!
The worlds 5th largest!
The highest and heaviest peal of bells in the world!
The highest gothic arches in Britain.
The 2nd longest cathedral in the world!

Discuss The Anglican Cathedral here (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1898) :) (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1898)

Kev
03-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Folks, can some one confirm or deny the fact that Liverpool Anglican Cathedral is The Largest Anglican Catherdal in The World?

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Cathedral) says its the 2nd Largest.

AntiPathos
03-28-2007, 04:40 PM
It's Wiki. If you think she's mightier than this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Divine) one then edit the page. Problem solved :)

Kev
03-28-2007, 04:44 PM
It's Wiki. If you think she's mightier than this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Saint_John_the_Divine) one then edit the page. Problem solved :)

Is it Anglican?

theninesisters
03-28-2007, 05:31 PM
Folks, can some one confirm or deny the fact that Liverpool Anglican Cathedral is The Largest Anglican Catherdal in The World?

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Cathedral) says its the 2nd Largest.

It's the largest Anglican Cathedral in Britain - that's for sure.

scouserdave
03-28-2007, 05:52 PM
Slightly OT, but I love seeing peoples' reactions when they first enter the cathedral. I took my sis in law and hubby there in 2005. Hubby's jaw dropped and my sis had an asthma attack, I kid you not. It looks big on the outside, but nothing can prepare you for when you first enter.

http://www.promspics.co.uk/ang001.jpg

Kev
03-28-2007, 06:49 PM
It gets me every time I enter the building, a truly wonderful place and a nice pic.

My original query was regarding the title Largest Anglican Cathedral in The World.

Is it or isn't it?

Please help

theninesisters
03-28-2007, 07:54 PM
I wouldn't trust Wiki 100%.

Why not contact the Cathedral direct?

AntiPathos
03-28-2007, 07:56 PM
Well if it's the second biggest cathedral in the world and the other one isn't Anglican doth thy quest not end there ?

theninesisters
03-28-2007, 07:59 PM
Why you wanna know Kev? House point? :PDT10

PhilipG
03-28-2007, 08:30 PM
It is the largest Anglican Cathedral in the world, and the 2nd largest cathedral in the world, after St Peter's in Rome.
(That was the situation in 1969).

"Anglican" is only another word for Church of England, and the Church of England was founded by Henry VIII.

Beautiful photo, Dave.

shytalk
03-28-2007, 08:32 PM
The Episcopalian church in the USA is the American branch of the Church of England. I went to a wedding at one last year in New Jersey and the service is identical.

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/visitors_16976_ENG_HTM.htm?menupage=49678

theninesisters
03-28-2007, 08:34 PM
And it's got the heaviest full circle bell in the entire world - ever :PDT11

Kev
03-28-2007, 08:37 PM
Why you wanna know Kev? House point? :PDT10

Someone in work has been saying its the second largest anglican in the world, I was pretty sure it is the largest anglican, yet the second largest cathedral.

ChrisGeorge
03-28-2007, 08:46 PM
Wonderful photo, Dave.

Kev, the Anglican Cathedral itself says: "The Cathedral is the largest Cathedral in and is the second largest Anglican cathedral in the world. It occupies a total area of 9600 square metres."

See http://www.liverpoolcathedral.org.uk/content/EducationCentre/Children/InformationForPupils.aspx

That's a bit mixed up but I think they must mean "The Cathedral is the largest Cathedral in the United Kingdom and is the second largest Anglican cathedral in the world. It occupies a total area of 9600 square metres."

-- You might phone 'em up to make sure that statement is correct.

Kev
03-28-2007, 08:58 PM
Wonderful photo, Dave.

Kev, the Anglican Cathedral itself says: "The Cathedral is the largest Cathedral in and is the second largest Anglican cathedral in the world. It occupies a total area of 9600 square metres."

See http://www.liverpoolcathedral.org.uk/content/EducationCentre/Children/InformationForPupils.aspx

That's a bit mixed up but I think they must mean "The Cathedral is the largest Cathedral in the United Kingdom and is the second largest Anglican cathedral in the world. It occupies a total area of 9600 square metres."

-- You might phone 'em up to make sure that statement is correct.

I'm confused :PDT_Xtremez_42:

Gerard
03-28-2007, 09:06 PM
Slightly OT, but I love seeing peoples' reactions when they first enter the cathedral. I took my sis in law and hubby there in 2005. Hubby's jaw dropped and my sis had an asthma attack, I kid you not. It looks big on the outside, but nothing can prepare you for when you first enter.

http://www.promspics.co.uk/ang001.jpg


Magnifico..

PhilipG
03-28-2007, 09:07 PM
I'm confused :PDT_Xtremez_42:

You're not the only one.
I've just done a Google, and St Peter's in Rome is a church, not a cathedral.
Whatever, I think it might still be the biggest religious building in the world.

St John's in New York City is said to be the largest cathedral in the world, but it isn't finished.
It's Episcopal, which is the Church of England in America (ie Anglican).

PhilipG
03-29-2007, 10:11 AM
Taffy.
I should have said the Church of England as we know it today was created by Henry VIII, who broke from the influence of Rome in order to marry one of his wives.
Subsequent British Monarchs have always been the Head of The Church of England.

iain
03-30-2007, 10:03 PM
Slightly OT, but I love seeing peoples' reactions when they first enter the cathedral. I took my sis in law and hubby there in 2005. Hubby's jaw dropped and my sis had an asthma attack, I kid you not. It looks big on the outside, but nothing can prepare you for when you first enter.


Beautiful photo Dave; but I don't think photos will ever do the interior of this Cathedral justice, they would ever get the enormity of it! Nothing against your photo BTW!

In work, I sit facing it all day, though there was a much better view before the Q Park got in the way. We used to have an unwritten rule where if the cathedral's obscured by fog, we don't have to do any work. If the rule still stood then 'd have done very little this week!

julieoapw
06-10-2007, 06:13 PM
As I understood it, Washington Cathedral is the largest Anglican cathedral in the world. It plus 3 other catholic cathedrals are bigger than ours (St.Peters in Rome, Milan and Seville Cathedrals)
Willing to stand corrected though!
Julie

Bunnyman
06-12-2007, 11:18 AM
From Wikipedia, so probably a load of toss:


The cathedral is at the intersection of Massachusetts and Wisconsin Avenues in the Northwest quadrant of Washington. It is the sixth-largest cathedral in the world and second-largest in the United States (the largest being St. John's Cathedral in New York).[1] It is, however, not the tallest or longest church in Washington; that distinction belongs to the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, the national patronal Roman Catholic church on the northeast side of the city that is also the largest church in the Western Hemisphere.


The Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception is a prominent basilica of the Roman Catholic Church located in Washington, D.C., honoring the Blessed Virgin Mary as Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception, the Patroness of the United States.

It is the largest church in the Western Hemisphere and seventh-largest religious structure in the world [1]. Millions of pilgrims from around the country and the world visit the basilica each year. The basilica is located on Michigan Avenue in the northeast quadrant of Washington on land donated by The Catholic University of America. Nearby is the Pope John Paul II Cultural Center.

The church began to be built in 1920 and was completed under Philadelphia contractor John McShain and opened in 1959. It is designated as a National Historic Landmark on the National Register of Historic Places.

AK1
06-12-2007, 01:26 PM
As I understand, the Anglican cathedral is the tallest and largest anglican cathedral in the world and the second tallest/largest cathedral of any type in the world.
It also has the highest peel of bells and the largest church bell in the world.
It's certainly the UK's biggest cathedral.

PhilipG
06-12-2007, 01:49 PM
It's rather confusing the issue to add tallest to the criteria, and it's been accepted that it isn't the largest cathedral in the world.
Read through this thread (if you haven't already).

Cadfael
06-12-2007, 03:46 PM
As I understand, the Anglican cathedral is the tallest and largest anglican cathedral in the world and the second tallest/largest cathedral of any type in the world.
It also has the highest peel of bells and the largest church bell in the world.
It's certainly the UK's biggest cathedral.

It doesn't have the largest church bell in the world. It does have the 2nd largest church bell in the UK, with St Paul's 'Great Paul' weighing in at 334-2-19 cwt (16 ton in new money).

AK1
06-12-2007, 08:56 PM
It doesn't have the largest church bell in the world. It does have the 2nd largest church bell in the UK, with St Paul's 'Great Paul' weighing in at 334-2-19 cwt (16 ton in new money).

Largest church bell by radius. Anyway, it's all very confusing. All I know is it's a bloody big cathedral!:eek:

Cadfael
06-12-2007, 09:14 PM
Largest church bell by radius. Anyway, it's all very confusing. All I know is it's a bloody big cathedral!:eek:

Ah I know what you mean. It has the heaviest full circle bell in the world. 82-0-11cwt.

AK1
06-12-2007, 09:23 PM
Ah I know what you mean. It has the heaviest full circle bell in the world. 82-0-11cwt.

That's it!:handclap:

julieoapw
06-13-2007, 04:46 PM
It is supposed to have both the highest and the heaviest peal of bells in the world. Doesn't a peal mean more than one? That could explain why there's an individually larger bell. Also largest may not necessarily be the same as heaviest.
The bells, the bells ......:exclaim:

Cadfael
06-13-2007, 04:58 PM
It is supposed to have both the highest and the heaviest peal of bells in the world. Doesn't a peal mean more than one? That could explain why there's an individually larger bell. Also largest may not necessarily be the same as heaviest.
The bells, the bells ......:exclaim:

A peal of bells is normally 6, 8, 10 or 12, really any number above above 2.

The Liverpool Cathedral does have the highest and heaviest peal of bells in the world, they are based on the total weight of the bells and all the bells are to travel 360 degrees full circle.

In the centre of the ring is a single bordon bell, 'Great George' which does not move, only the clapper can be moved.

You can read all the history at:

http://www.liverpoolbells.moonfruit.com/liverpoolcathedral

julieoapw
06-13-2007, 07:50 PM
Many thanks for the link.

ghughesarch
06-14-2007, 12:13 PM
As I understand, the Anglican cathedral is the tallest and largest anglican cathedral in the world and the second tallest/largest cathedral of any type in the world.
It also has the highest peel of bells and the largest church bell in the world.
It's certainly the UK's biggest cathedral.


Certainly not the tallest - 331 feet compared with Salisbury, 404 feet.

Cadfael
06-14-2007, 12:50 PM
Certainly not the tallest - 331 feet compared with Salisbury, 404 feet.

Agreed. Even St Paul's is taller than us at 366 ft.

drone_pilot
06-21-2007, 05:56 PM
May not be the "Biggest", "Tallest", "Loudest" or anything else "est" but its ours. :PDT_Piratz_26:

Cadfael
09-10-2007, 02:16 PM
Added another link to one of my video's:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TjOxdMxCDU8

Klaatu
09-11-2007, 04:40 PM
May not be the "Biggest", "Tallest", "Loudest" or anything else "est" but its ours. :PDT_Piratz_26:


I agree...End of.:PDT11

Kev
11-30-2007, 01:21 PM
LIVERPOOL Cathedralís organ has regained its title as the biggest instrument in the UK. Read (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2007/11/30/pipe-power-cathedral-organ-is-again-biggest-in-uk-100252-20182466/) :shock:

Steven
11-30-2007, 01:23 PM
That's what you think. lol:PDT11:PDT_Piratz_26:

Steven
11-30-2007, 01:36 PM
No messing Kev. Whenever I get a feeling that I am too big for my boots, I go down to the Anglican Cathedral. I stand in the middle :- totally Gob Smacked by the size and I feel in awe.
It certainly brings me down to earth, ,,, before I wander down to the Mabo in Chinatown for the best scran in this City.

Cadfael
11-30-2007, 01:54 PM
LIVERPOOL Cathedralís organ has regained its title as the biggest instrument in the UK. Read (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2007/11/30/pipe-power-cathedral-organ-is-again-biggest-in-uk-100252-20182466/) :shock:

One of my good chums is the Organ Scholor at Liverpool Cathedral and I'm going to go up with him at some point so I can get some good pictures of the organ up there. :PDT11

Klaatu
11-30-2007, 04:00 PM
It's my favourite building...Biggest or not.

robbo176
11-30-2007, 05:32 PM
thats lovely picture Klaatu,well done :handclap::handclap::handclap:

Klaatu
11-30-2007, 05:39 PM
Thanks robbo176...glad you like it.

I'm thinking of selling it a A3 posters...Possibly in the Cathedral shop!

chippie
11-30-2007, 06:47 PM
Wonderbar Klaatu,

Nice piccy, I remember the original photo, great.

Glad to see we,re back in the top ten with the organ pipes. Been up to the console with Prof Ian once, very breathtaking.

lindylou
11-30-2007, 07:34 PM
Excellent picture Klaatu. :handclap:

I'm sure posters would sell.

Steven
11-30-2007, 07:56 PM
Thanks robbo176...glad you like it.

I'm thinking of selling it a A3 posters...Possibly in the Cathedral shop!

Can I ask Klaatu, is it an offset Litho print ? It's lovely whatever you have done.:handclap:

Klaatu
12-03-2007, 01:43 PM
Yeah chippie,I think the photo I used for reference was taken in the 50's

thanks Lindylou...

I haven't had them printed properly at all yet steven...The only prints I've had are laser prints, which are OK but not top quality.

Steven
12-03-2007, 01:46 PM
Would you mind if I share them with relatives and friends who live abroad?. All credits to you of course.

Klaatu
12-03-2007, 01:58 PM
Would you mind if I share them with relatives and friends who live abroad?. All credits to you of course.


Share them how Steven?

Steven
12-03-2007, 02:12 PM
Share them how Steven?



Is it OK if I copy and paste and send them to my relatives? I will not do this without your permission.

Klaatu
12-03-2007, 02:27 PM
Yeah I suppose mate, Please don't make any prints of it though...whatever the size.

jon_hall
12-05-2007, 11:54 PM
Cracking view from the top as well.

corky100
01-14-2008, 03:06 AM
The Bells......:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/corky100/SP_A0052.jpg

My Pics from the roof in this thread

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=102413&postcount=5

Klaatu
01-14-2008, 03:49 PM
That's a great pic...but for those who haven't been there...You don't get the sense of scale!
I don't know how you would do that!

Cadfael
01-15-2008, 05:43 PM
That's a great pic...but for those who haven't been there...You don't get the sense of scale!
I don't know how you would do that!

If you were to stand next to the heaviest bell, you'd come up to it like this - so looking down at the largest bell top left of the picture above, that's the same one.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh67/cadfael2008/111_1156.jpg

Klaatu
01-15-2008, 06:02 PM
How did you manage to take that great pic?...I thought the public weren't allowed near the bells.

Cadfael
01-15-2008, 07:41 PM
How did you manage to take that great pic?...I thought the public weren't allowed near the bells.

I'm one of those noisy bellringers found in church towers across Liverpool. This was during inspection at some point a couple of years ago.

Klaatu
01-16-2008, 10:23 AM
Ahh...You're a campanologist...Brilliant!

taffy
01-16-2008, 11:18 AM
I've always been puzzled by the term "Anglican" in the local name for Liverpool Cathedral. I don't know of any other Church of England Cathedral similarly named by the locals. The cathedral itself of course simply calls itself Liverpool Cathedral with no "Anglican" in sight

http://www.liverpoolcathedral.org.uk/

PhilipG
01-16-2008, 11:28 AM
I've always been puzzled by the term "Anglican" in the local name for Liverpool Cathedral. I don't know of any other Church of England Cathedral similarly named by the locals. The cathedral itself of course simply calls itself Liverpool Cathedral with no "Anglican" in sight

http://www.liverpoolcathedral.org.uk/

Anglican means "of the Church of England", and is used to differentiate from the RC Cathedral which is known as the "Metropolitan".
As Liverpool is a rare example of a city with two cathedrals, that's probably the reason why other cathedrals aren't called "Anglican".

Curiously, that link you provide doesn't seem to mention the words "Church of England" either. :shock:
Or, if it does, it's not obvious.

Steven
01-16-2008, 12:02 PM
It's not the two Cathedrals which impress me but the fact that they are joined up by a street called 'Hope.'

lindylou
01-17-2008, 11:45 PM
my son took this photo.

It's not bad considering it was taken in dim lighting conditions and with his mobile phone.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/Gcath.jpg

iain
01-18-2008, 12:02 AM
Whether it's the biggest cathedral or has the biggest bells or whatever - it's such a magnificent building, and especially when you get late afternoon winter sunshine on it. I love the way it's so prominent - I like going to somewhere overlooking Merseyside from a distance, like Helsby Hill, and still seeing it rising above everything else. I remember a few months back when little Rhys Jones's funeral service was there, I was quite moved looking up at it from the river at the time of the service. What a fabulous place.

taffy
01-18-2008, 01:07 AM
Anglican means "of the Church of England", Curiously, that link you provide doesn't seem to mention the words "Church of England" either. :shock:
Or, if it does, it's not obvious.

Anglican doesn't mean "Church of England" in the Church in Wales or indeed elsewhere in the world.

Church of England is implied as its the established church. Hence you see many churches calling themselves so and so Parish Church eg Liverpool Parish Church. This can cause confusion too. The Liverpool A to Z map from the early 1990s use to label Liverpool Cathedral the C of E Cathedral. These days its the Anglican Cathedral.

If it's the Metropolitan cathedral in Liverpool why isn't it called the Roman Catholic Metropolitan Cathedral.

I wonder what happens in Armagh where they have two Metropolitan Cathedrals.

PhilipG
01-18-2008, 10:41 AM
Anglican doesn't mean "Church of England"
Tell that to my Oxford Dictionary.

in the Church in Wales or indeed elsewhere in the world.
Did I mention Wales, or the rest of the world?

Church of England is implied as its the established church. Hence you see many churches calling themselves so and so Parish Church eg Liverpool Parish Church. This can cause confusion too. The Liverpool A to Z map from the early 1990s use to label Liverpool Cathedral the C of E Cathedral. These days its the Anglican Cathedral.
I'm confused reading this because I don't understand your point.
The A-Z maps have never been particularly accurate.

If it's the Metropolitan cathedral in Liverpool why isn't it called the Roman Catholic Metropolitan Cathedral.
With your knowledge of local churches, it comes as a surprise that you haven't heard the word "Metropolitan" in connection with Liverpool's RC Cathedral.

I wonder what happens in Armagh where they have two Metropolitan Cathedrals.
Taffy, I'll let you tell me.

Ged
01-18-2008, 10:47 AM
My Collins dictionary also tells me Anglican means C of E, it being just another word for it.

It is taken as red that the Metropolitan, designed by a Protestant is Catholic and the Anglican, designed by a Catholic is Protestant as also seen in Warlock and Shepherds time here.

Cadfael
01-18-2008, 11:55 AM
my son took this photo.

It's not bad considering it was taken in dim lighting conditions and with his mobile phone.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/Gcath.jpg

That's a very impressive photo if taken from a mobile. The interior of the Cathedral is so difficult to photograph as it's very dark and a flash doesn't help at all. I always pity people walking around with very small cameras as you know their prints are going to turn out really bad.

Ged
01-18-2008, 12:05 PM
Yes, it's a custy photo, well done to him :handclap:

Steven
01-18-2008, 12:37 PM
Yes, it's a custy photo, well done to him :handclap:

It's not often you're wrong Ged but you're right again. It's an excellent photo. Only last week, I stood in the same spot with Molly and Gerry from Ireland. I told them that when I start to feel 'too big for me boots.' this is where I come to stand for a while. It brings me down to size.

lindylou
01-18-2008, 03:07 PM
Thanks everyone, I'll tell him :)