What area is this in Kev?

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What area is this in Kev?

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Central Docks, just north of the City Centre I think.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/liverpoolphotographs/images/dockersclock.jpg
http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/T03_Imag/03.01.07/Dsc07748.jpg
Collingwood Dock, next to Stanley Dock, isn't it?

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Collingwood Dock, next to Stanley Dock, isn't it?

Sorry Howie, I meant north of the Central Docks :)

Howie - absolutely love your photo, the colours are amazing!!

If anyone's interested in visiting it, it's quite easy to get to, although it's choc-full of pigeon crap. The first time I went there it was night-time, and they'd all gone in to roost... an experience I can tell you!

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/salisbury/Dsc_0152.jpg

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/salisbury/Dsc_0074.jpg
Pendulum housing

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/salisbury/Dsc_0048.jpg
Interesting grafitti!!

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/salisbury/Dsc_0077.jpg
Clockface drive gears

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/salisbury/Dsc_0070.jpg

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Bell room

Unfortunately the clock mechanism has gone along with the big bronze bell, which looks to have been cut off (the top remains, with the maker's name engraved). A lot of the woodwork is rotten, but it's possible to get out onto the top. Grafitti is also interesting!!

I was talking to a security guard at the Freeport and he said he went to explore it years back and had to climb in because the door had been barracaded by a tramp who was living there. Apparently as he climbed up one side, the tramp climbed down a rope on the other side and did one! Quite unique though, hopefully eventually it'll be restored.

An excellent report, its brilliant having the chance to see inside!! Many thanks :celb (23):

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/liverpoolphotographs/images/dockersclock.jpg
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Collingwood Dock, next to Stanley Dock, isn't it?

Nope. The Victoria Tower at the river "barge locks" at Salisbury Dock next to Collingwood Dock which is next to Stanley Dock. The river "barge locks" can still be operable. The lcoks took small vessels, barges, tugs, coasters, etc.

The only other six sided clock is in Russia, I think in Kiev. Victoria Tower also had a flat for the lock keeper. Living with that bell clanging?

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/salisbury/Dsc_0048.jpg

Such cool graffito!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Howie - absolutely love your photo, the colours are amazing!!
Afraid I can't take credit for the two photos that I posted above. I should have referenced them. The first one is courtesy of Liverpool Pictorial (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/) and the second from The Tuesday Night Club (http://www.tuesdaynightclub.co.uk/).

Afraid I can't take credit for the two photos that I posted above. I should have referenced them. The first one is courtesy of Liverpool Pictorial (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/)

Of course Liverpool Pictorial (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/) is the site belonging to member scouserdave :)

Oh right, not surprised then, he does take some pretty hot photos! Interesting to hear about the other 6 sided clock in Russia. Must say, I've never seen anything like it before in the UK...

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/tobacco/Dsc_0191.jpg

Above: Collingwood Dock is the near dock and Salisbury the far dock. The dock to the left is what remains of Trafalgar dock. To the right of Salisbury Dock Nelson Dock can just be seen. Some commercial activity still goes on in these docks.

http://www.forties-design.co.uk/l2/reports/images/sstanley/Dsc_0267.jpg

Above: Clarence Graving docks. Trafalgar dock is now just a basin for ships to enter the graving docks. The graving docks have not been used since last Xmas.

when this area is eventually regenerated... id hope to see the clock tower restored to its former glory, because its a great piece of architecture

It's mentioned on the World Heritage Bid site somewhere, and is listed, so at some stage it'll be done I'm sure...

Hi all

I wrote a poem about this clock as shown below. I have to admit though that when I worked at the docks, for a summer job as a clerk in 1966, I never actually saw the clock because I was working in the southern docks, at Wapping Dock. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight sides, with at least two websites at variance.

The Docker's Clock

Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
-- with its six clock faces that faced
the points of the compass, the drunken
sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
-- plotted my time during the summer hols,
a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,
clocking me in and out as I plotted
the comings and goings of the ships
in and out of the Liverpool docks:
stalwart-named docks like the strong
Assam tea I sipped as I munched
on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
King's and Queen's, Wapping, Salthouse,
Albert, Waterloo, Huskisson, Princes,
Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .

Christopher T. George



The Liverpool Pictorial site (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/jessehartley/index.html) on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848, a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on the Liverpool monuments site (http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/dockersclock001.html) it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more naturally match the points of the compass.

Chris

Hi all

I wrote a poem about this clock

as shown below. I have to admit though that when I worked at the docks, for a summer job as a clerk in 1966, I never actually saw the clock because I was

working in the southern docks, at Wapping Dock. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight sides, with at least two

websites at variance.

The Docker's Clock

Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
-- with its six clock faces that faced
the points of the

compass, the drunken
sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
-- plotted my time during the summer hols,
a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,


clocking me in and out as I plotted
the comings and goings of the ships
in and out of the Liverpool docks:
stalwart-named docks like the strong


Assam tea I sipped as I munched
on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
King's and Queen's, Wapping, Salthouse,
Albert, Waterloo, Huskisson,

Princes,
Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .

Christopher T. George

The

Liverpool Pictorial site (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/jessehartley/index.html) on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848, a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on

the Liverpool monuments site (http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/dockersclock001.html) it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more

naturally match the points of the compass.

Chris

Fantastic poem Chris :)

Thanks, Kev. I also have a poem about the time I worked on the docks on my website,

"Dock Boy" (http://chrisgeorge.netpublish.net/Poems/DockBoy.htm) and it will be included in the new Living on Hope Street anthology edited by

Jim Bennett.

Chris

ahem...The Teardrop Explodes used the docks and specifically the Hartley clock in

their video for Reward in 1980.

As I recall it was basically all shot at nightime with a bonfire, a jeep, lots of acid, and two trumpeters silhoueted

against the night sky atop Hartley's crenellations....

They also shot the video for Colors Fly there.

there seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight

sides, with at least two websites at variance.

The Docker's Clock

Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
-- with its six clock

faces that faced
the points of the compass, the drunken
sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
-- plotted my time during the summer hols,


a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,
clocking me in and out as I plotted
the comings and goings of the ships
in and out of the Liverpool

docks:
stalwart-named docks like the strong
Assam tea I sipped as I munched
on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
King's and Queen's,

Wapping, Salthouse,
Albert, Waterloo, Huskisson, Princes,
Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .

Christopher T. George



The Liverpool Pictorial site (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/jessehartley/index.html) on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848,

a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on the Liverpool

monuments site (http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/dockersclock001.html) it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more naturally match the points of the compass.

Chris
What a

fantastic poem Chris! And a good shout about whether it's a 6 sided clock face or 8. Looking at the pics again, it appears 6 sided to me. I've been

mooching around there for so many years taking photos and have never once questioned the description I used from "Buildings of Liverpool". When I read your

post, I gulped and thought I messed up with the quote from the book, but I can confirm that it quotes "eight circular clock faces".

BTW Snappel may be

dissapointed to know that one of the routes of access to get to Victoria Tower has been well and truly scuppered from the North side:disgust:

"Buildings of Liverpool" had so many

mistakes.
Treat yourself to "Liverpool" by Joseph Sharples (2004, Yale University Press).
It's only £9.99 and is one of the "Pevsner Architectural

Guides".
BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.

"Buildings of Liverpool" had so many mistakes.
Treat yourself to "Liverpool" by Joseph Sharples (2004, Yale

University Press).
It's only £9.99 and is one of the "Pevsner Architectural Guides".
BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.
Thanks

Phil.
One of their worst mistakes was including the same chapter twice!
Apart from that, what are their other mistakes? I've missed

them.

Cheers,
Dave

Dave,

you can still get there from the south as far as I know.

Thanks Phil.
One of their worst mistakes was including the same chapter twice!
Apart from

that, what are their other mistakes? I've missed them.

Cheers,
Dave

Oh God, off the top of my head???
I can't find my copy (and

I haven't read it in years), but I made lots of notes.
What annoyed me so much was it said about so many buildings: "The building is Victorian" when

other sources knew the exact dates.
It said the Crane Building was Victorian (It was built 1913-15). It was also designed by W Aubrey Thomas (he of the

Royal Liver Building) which they didn't know.
Check the Lord Street Arcade - does it say that was another W Aubrey Thomas building, and that it opened in

1901?
So many other buildings where the architects (and dates) have always been known weren't credited with the architects (or dates).
OK, perhaps

they aren't all mistakes, but it still shows that the book wasn't researched very well.
The classic mistake was showing a drawing of the 1930s meeting

room which is next to the Ancient Chapel, and identifying it as the Ancient Chapel!

BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.

Yep. It's a six

sided eight day clock. I'll ask my Da about it tomorrow as he used to work on the Nothern Dock's in the 50's.

Oh God, off the top of my head???
I can't find my copy (and I haven't read it in years), but I made lots of notes.
What annoyed

me so much was it said about so many buildings: "The building is Victorian" when other sources knew the exact dates.
The classic mistake was showing a

drawing of the 1930s meeting room which is next to the Ancient Chapel, and identifying it as the Ancient Chapel!
There's a drawing of

Toxteth Unitarian Chapel in the book which matches up with a photo of "Ancient Chapel of Toxteth" at

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/churches/ancient%20chapel%201.htm

There's no mention whatsoever in the book, describing it as

"the Ancient Chapel" It would help if you have the book at hand like I have, rather than recalling from your memory.:disgust:

Yep. It's a six sided eight day

clock. I'll ask my Da about it tomorrow as he used to work on the Nothern Dock's in the 50's.

Eh - 8 day clock? Please explain I don't get

it? :)

Fascinating building though.

Eh - 8 day clock? Please explain I don't get it? :)

Fascinating building

though.

It needed winding up every eight days I suppose?

:confused:

There's a drawing of Toxteth Unitarian Chapel in the book which

matches up with a photo of "Ancient Chapel of Toxteth" at http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/churches/ancient%20chapel%201.htm



There's no mention whatsoever in the book, describing it as "the Ancient Chapel" It would help if you have the book at hand like I have, rather than

recalling from your memory.:disgust:

Thank you for using a "Disgust" smilie.
I don't know why you have to be so objectionable.
It it

obvious that you don't know the difference between the Meeting Room which was built in the 1930s, and the Ancient Chapel which is next door (and anything uo

to 300 years older).
The photo you link to shows the Meeting Room on the left, and the Ancient Chapel to the right.
The drawing in "Buildings of

Liverpool" (which I don't have to hand, but remember very well), shows the meeting room.
Which is what I said in the first place.

Dave, you can

still get there from the south as far as I know.
No probs from the south, but I used to drive straight into the docks and park up next to the

Sandon Half Tide Docks where I have a few mates who look after the MV Loach. It was just a quick jump across the dock railings and a spin around to get to

the other side of the gates. They've recently put up a metal sheet to prevent you.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

It needed winding up every eight days I suppose?



:confused:
LOL!:unibrow:

"Buildings of Liverpool" had so many

mistakes.
Treat yourself to "Liverpool" by Joseph Sharples (2004, Yale University Press).
It's only £9.99 and is one of the "Pevsner Architectural

Guides".
BTW, 6 sides to the Stanley clock tower.

Thanks for the tips, Philip. I have Peter Fleetwood-Hesketh's Lancashire

Architectural Guide published in 1955 when Liverpool used to be part of Lancs. (!), and I have got endless pleasure out of that book. For some reason it

doesn't mention the Stanley or Victoria clock but hits all the other major Liverpool architectural wonders.

Chris

LOL!:unibrow:

me dumb (hangs

head in shame)

Thank you for using a "Disgust" smilie.
I don't know why you have to be so objectionable.
It it obvious that you

don't know the difference between the Meeting Room which was built in the 1930s, and the Ancient Chapel which is next door (and anything uo to 300 years

older).
The photo you link to shows the Meeting Room on the left, and the Ancient Chapel to the right.
The drawing in "Buildings of Liverpool" (which I

don't have to hand, but remember very well), shows the meeting room.
Which is what I said in the first place.
Phil,
you're asking me to

engage in a debate about a photo you've seen on a website and an image in a book which you don't have to hand. Get back to me when you find the book. I

won't hold my breath:disgust:

There's a drawing of Toxteth Unitarian Chapel in the book which matches up with a photo of

"Ancient Chapel of Toxteth" at http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/churches/ancient%20chapel%201.htm

There's no mention whatsoever

in the book, describing it as "the Ancient Chapel" It would help if you have the book at hand like I have, rather than recalling from your

memory.:disgust:

Dave.
I'm referring to this photo that you use to reinforce your mistaken belief.
What's with

all these "disgust" smilies.
This site isn't supposed to be about battles.
Or is it that Dave always has to be right?

Hi all

I wrote a poem about this clock as shown below. I have to

admit though that when I worked at the docks, for a summer job as a clerk in 1966, I never actually saw the clock because I was working in the southern

docks, at Wapping Dock. There seems to be some confusion as to whether the clock has six sides or eight sides, with at least two websites at variance.



The Docker's Clock

Tick tock. The Dockers' Clock
-- with its six clock faces that faced
the points of the compass, the

drunken
sailors' rolling gait, their brawling wake
-- plotted my time during the summer hols,
a few quid in a paypacket, my first job,


clocking me in and out as I plotted
the comings and goings of the ships
in and out of the Liverpool docks:
stalwart-named docks like the

strong
Assam tea I sipped as I munched
on my greasy Dock Road bacon butties:
King's and Queen's, Wapping, Salthouse,
Albert, Waterloo,

Huskisson, Princes,
Nelson, Trafalgar, Wellington. . .

Christopher T. George



The Liverpool Pictorial site (http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/jessehartley/index.html) on the Jesse Hartley - Victoria Tower 1848,

a.k.a. The Dockers' Clock definitely says the clock has eight sides but on the Liverpool

monuments site (http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/dockersclock001.html) it says six sides. Which is it? Eight sides would more naturally match the points of the compass.

Chris
Go to the

Scottie Press Online re your poem as they have the 6 sided clock on their site and it is in the Vauxhall area Tourisim that they trying to promote
regards

the history of the area.
Peter

Thanks for the tip, Peter.

Chris

Dave.
I'm referring to this photo that you use to reinforce your mistaken belief.
What's with all these

"disgust" smilies.
This site isn't supposed to be about battles.
Or is it that Dave always has to be right?
The only "battles" are in your

mind Phil and because of that, I'll make a hasty retreat. Apologies for any upset.

me dumb (hangs head in shame)
I didn't know either! Thanks to AD for ejuakating us:PDT_Piratz_26:

After plans to go and look at the remains of Sheffield's steel industry were 'flooded' off, I decided to have a walk down the dock road, ending up at the All Aboard festival for an ice cream.

I've put together a collection of photos from the north docks - a few from today, and others from similar walks, explores and general meanders around the area. A lot of it needs more attention and a more thorough look, which hopefully I'll do in subsequent visits.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0047.JPG

Cranes on Canada Dock. These are still used for loading/unloading cargo ships. I wanted to climb up one of them, but it wasn't possible at the time.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0181.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0182.jpg

The remaining building of the Sandon Motor & Engineering Company Ltd, on Regent Road. It's a big shame companies like this were forced into closure. The words 'Engine Works' can be seen above a bricked up entrance, where I'm guessing huge castings and engine parts would have entered and left the works.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0200.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0206.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0210.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0214.jpg

Most recently the buildings were used by Merseyside Food Products, who built extensions onto the original building. Inside, the place nicely defines the word 'derelict'. One part has more rubbish and debris in it than I thought possible.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0192.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0193.jpg

At the front is a small row of toilets and what looks like a reception office or orders desk. Thankfully, not all of the old General Electric Company fuseholders had been smashed.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0227.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0178.jpg

Across the road, a large building that was once the United Mersey Supply Company is also derelict. The adjoining warehouse is half-demolished - surely this one will follow soon.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0167.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0161.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/Dsc_0168.jpg

Further along, Huskisson Dock is still in use. Part of it is a timber storage yard, and the warehouses are used for various goods, including animal feeds. Interesting signs survive, such as the one for the Mersey Dock & Harbour Company Engineers Department. I'm unsure if this is still in use.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0136.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0143.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0144.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0141.jpg

The later warehouses were constructed from steel-reinforced concrete. This one was interesting, having a 'Ladies' toilet - a reminder that women did work here too.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0149.jpg

Aside from visiting ships, the Mersey tugs are often berthed here when not in use around the other docks and on the river.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/Dsc_0244.jpg

On many of the docks, old substations can be found rotting away. Often they still have isolators, breakers and fuse boxes still in situ. This one (on Bramley Moore Dock) also had warning signs, and some very dated health & safety information posters.

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0099.jpg

http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/northdocks/DSC_0120.jpg

Despite the widespread decline of industry in Britain, there's still a lot of activity on Liverpool's north docks, most of which remain in use for scrap metal, grain, animal feeds or other goods.

What can I say? Mighty fine pictures, Snappel.

:PDT_Aliboronz_11:

Fantastic :)

:)You have an eye for detail Snappel, It makes me sad looking at your pictures.I sailed out of most of Liverpool docks,i can remember the Dockers canteens inside the docks,full life,in the mornings and the way of life outside on the road,pubs etc.We will never see the likes of it again.Great photo"s.
Ernie.

Thanks Ernie! I find the docks absolutely fascinating. I can only wonder what it must have been like to work down there in it's heyday. There are so many interesting buildings, places like the Harland & Wolff works, the various old engine works, warehouses. I struggle to imagine the noise, the people, the traffic, the dockside railway lines and shunting yards.

It is a shame it's nearly all gone, a big shame. I'm glad that a lot of the docks remain in use, and I'm glad I'm able to capture some of what's left. One day all of the derelict stuff will be cleared, and younger generations will have less of an idea just how significant Liverpool was for our countries economic and industrial development, and just how widespread the dockside industries were.

Still, at least some of the new developments are incorporating old buildings. I'd rather places like Stanley Dock get tastefully converted than demolished, but at the same time I just wish it could all stay exactly as it was.

There's some more dock related stuff on my website (http://www.level-two.co.uk/category.php?catname=Maritime), mainly from Liverpool. There's so much more I want to photograph properly and find out about. I could seriously spend days wondering around there...

:)Snappel,I remember the Cunard basement,we would get sent over from the pool,thats,shipping federation for a job. They had their own medical centre and their own files on us. There was no way you could get a job with Cunard until you had been through that basement,unless it was a pier head jump,
that is someone who never turned up.More great photo"s,made up.
Ernie.

Sounds interesting!! It's good to here stories like that, brings a bit more life to the photos. The Cunard basement was very interesting, and largely intact. A lot of the old storage rooms are now used by businesses for archives, etc, but as you can see the safes remain, as do the luggage racks. Also, quite a lot of old shipping documents remain there. I assume they're now the property of the building owners.

I always show my dad your pictures Snappel. He is interested in the docks too and always marvels at the amazing brickwork and workmanship that has gone into those buildings.

:handclap:

I'm glad he likes them! There are some amazing buildings down there, but because they're tucked away they don't often get seen.

:)Snappel,I remember the Cunard basement,we would get sent over from the pool,thats,shipping federation for a job. And were, first your mother then later your wife, went to pick up your allotment.

There are some amazing buildings down there, but because they're tucked away they don't often get seen.

Thats why we have you to expose these hidden gems.

More hidden gems should be hidden so we can have Snappel exposing them and so he can do more secret agent poses on rooftops with censored faces.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Ha ha, yes! But there's enough for me to try and find without more being hidden!! Unfortunately buildings sometimes get demolished without warning, so I'm trying to see as much as possible and get some last snaps before they go.

As for the rooftop ohotos... well, there'll always be more of them, and this forum is one of the first places they'll be posted. More of them soon...

Two photos of the Victoria Tower - 18th June 2007

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1271/565876609_b53cdeddce_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/565876609/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1057/565490336_d1eb87d5d5_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/565490336/)

Where was that taken from, Kev?

The Mersey Ferry. A rough ride today I must say.

Splendid.

:PDT11

Yes, great photos of a great clocktower. I love the docker's clock, just wish it wasn't in such a poor state. I look forward to seeing it tidied up.

Two photos of the Victoria Tower - 18th June 2007

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1271/565876609_b53cdeddce_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/565876609/)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1057/565490336_d1eb87d5d5_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/565490336/)

Do you do those white borders In Photo shop?

That black and white photo would be great to print out and frame. You should do It for yo wall.:PDT10

Brilliant pics Snappel:handclap:

Regarding safety in the North Docks, you could write something about being attacked by Mommy/Daddy Canada Geese! Bad time of the year to be getting near them in the North Docks while they're protecting their chicks.

If I was a Bernard Manning Loving Bigot living in the 70s, I'd joke that the Canada Geese were more dangerous than an Upper Parly Pimp!:034:

Rode down to where that clock In and could not find an entrance where I could get a decent angle to take a picture of the clock.:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

Took me ages to get the bottle to try and sneak In to take a shot of the clock tower but couldn't find anymore openings to get close enough for a good shot.

Thanks Snappel anyway for your Pm.

One on SSC thought I didn't acknowledge him In a pm over getting Into places but I don't even know him and don't think he pm'ed me over anything?