Could Raffa do the Job at Everton that David Moyes has done. same money and treatment from the board that Moyes has had. would Raffa be able to do the job or stick with it?

what do you think?

Well considering he's only spent 45 million NET since he's been here, and got us to 2, count them, 2 European Cup finals in that period, and built a squad that should be capable of putting in a decent title challenge, I'm sure he could just about manage Everton, massive job that it is like.

he did that with money. could he do it without? simple question, no need to go defensive.

Personally I doubt if young Beni could do as well with the Everton wallahs. I still do not think he understands the English game. With him being a Don I think he is more suited to the European game.

How much money has David Moyes spent? I've no idea but I think Raffa could do a good job anywhere, I am biased though :)

Moyes has to get by on rations, poor old Everton.

still do not think he understands the English game.

How do you work that out?

We finished a point behind this seasons champions only last season with 82 points, a total that would have won the league not long ago.

I'm sure he'd understand our league a lot more had the club got him his first choice quality targets instead of shopping around in the bargain basement.

We finished a point behind this seasons champions only last season with 82 points, a total that would have won the league not long ago.

Manchester United moved on and got 89 points this season. We moved backwards and got 68 points! Why?

To me the question is more a case of would Rafa do it rather than could he do it.

Nothing to do with Everton btw, in fact I'm pretty sure that if Hicks and Gillett told Rafa that he had to survive on the Moysiah's budget I think Rafa would be off at the first chance.

Not that I'd blame him mind, I'm sure promises were made when he went to Anfield.

Footy is like everything else in life........you get what you pay for.:rolleyes:

Nice thread btw Gnomie, see we can all get along without the petty bitterness.

Mind you I'm not sure if that will be the case later tonight when I post my thread in the Alehouse ........Should all Evertonians be rounded up and shot ?:)

Plenty of reasons. The main one being the form of Ronaldo for United, who finally found an end product to his undoubted world class ability and blew the rest away in the first part of the season.

New signings needing time to settle in, along with some poor signings, which was not entirely Rafa's fault, IMO.

Our best players, especially Gerrard and Alonso, under performing, mostly through fatigue after a long season and world cup.

A bad arse opening fixture list, especially away from home, which we never quite recovered from.

Once we got into our stride we found some good consistent form, like the previous season, but by then it was too late, and all thoughts were concentrated on Europe, which was almost another glorious chapter

Obviously we need to improve in certain areas, especially away from home, but we're not far off.

I'd love to know who else could have done a better job though on a similar budget?

Fair play Scouse. can i have a quick bullet:unibrow:

Just wondered if anyone would answer it as i asked , not go on the insult. very suprised and happy that many have, not suprised others have not.

I think Raffa does a great job at Liverpool. i like him putting one over fergy and boreenio. i think he is a good boss as is moyes.

I like the way raffa says Squid instead of Squad in interviews.

Can someone find out how much Moyes has spent since he's been in the job and who on?

Ta.

Can someone find out how much Moyes has spent since he's been in the job and who on?

Ta.

Probably not as small amount as some would have us believe, I know he spent around 15,000,000 on Andy Johnson and Kevin Beattie.

I'm an Evertonian and Im not biased..I happen to Like Raffas style as a man and a manager..No big mouthing..just gets on with the job..And a pedigree as good as anyone..Yep..He'd do a great Job anywhere never mind at Everton.

I'm sure he'd understand our league a lot more had the club got him his first choice quality targets instead of shopping around in the bargain basement.

Moyes has to shop in the bargain basement and has produced some very good players. Raffa is shopping in a richer shop than moyes. you say he could understand the league a lot more if he was shopping in the very rich shop. could he do it in the moyes shop?

My very good season ticket kopite friend tells me Raffa has spent over 100 million since joining the club. he thinks Raffa is making them stronger and i agree. i also think they are not far off a title challenge.

Chelsea can buy buy buy, Man Utd have much better players than them. money does not always buy the best players.

The question is could Raffa do it at Everton. yes or no?

Could Fergie, Wenger or Boreenio do it? it would be a good test of their talents. or maybe their talents is working with money? i have to respect Fergie though. whatever i think of Man Utd he is a top boss.

Player transactions under David Moyes


14 May 2007 Alessandro Pistone Released No Fee
14 May 2007 Richard Wright Released No Fee
31 Jan 2007 Mark Hughes Northampton Town £30k
31 Jan 2007 Manuel Fernandes Benfica (Por) Loan
22 Jan 2007 Simon Davies Wigan Athletic £3M
16 Jan 2007 David Weir Glasgow Rangers No Fee
16 Dec 2006 Anderson da Silva Motevideo (Urg) £700k
31 Aug 2006 Kevin Kilbane Wigan Athletic £2M
14 Jun 2006 Joleon Lescott Wolverhampton Wndrs £2.5M
30 May 2006 Andy Johnson Crystal Palace £8.6M
12 May 2006 Scott Spencer Oldham Athletic £220k
9 May 2006 Tim Howard Manchester United Loan
8 May 2006 Matteo Ferrari AC Roma (Ita) Loan Ended
8 May 2006 Li Tie Released; Sheff Utd No Fee
8 May 2006 Duncan Ferguson Released No Fee
8 May 2006 Sean Wright Released No Fee
8 May 2006 James Harris Released No Fee
8 May 2006 Laurence Wilson Released No Fee
8 May 2006 Steve Wynne Released No Fee
8 May 2006 Christian Seargeant Released No Fee
8 May 2006 Paul Hopkins Released; Waterford No Fee
19 Jan 2006 Alan Stubbs Sunderland No Fee
17 Jan 2006 Marcus Bent Charlton Athletic £2M
14 Jan 2006 Per Krøldrup Udinese (Ita) £5M
31 Aug 2005 Andy van der Meyde Inter Millan (Ita) £1.8M
28 Aug 2005 Nuno Valente FC Porto (Por) £1.5M
25 Aug 2005 Matteo Ferrari AC Roma (Ita) Loan
4 Aug 2005 Phil Neville Manchester United £3.5M
21 Jul 2005 Alessandro Pistone Re-signed No Fee
30 Jun 2005 Mikel Arteta Real Sociedad (Spa) £2M
30 Jun 2005 Steve Watson Released; West Brom No Fee
30 Jun 2005 Alessandro Pistone Released; re-signed No Fee
30 Jun 2005 Alan Stubbs Released; Sunderland No Fee
22 Jun 2005 Per Krøldrup Udinese (Ita) £5M
26 May 2005 Simon Davies Tottenham Hotspur £3.5M
19 May 2005 John Ruddy Cambridge United £250k
18 May 2005 Guillaume Plessis Released No Fee
18 May 2005 Eddy Bosnar Released No Fee
18 May 2005 Anthony Gerrard Released; Walsall No Fee
18 May 2005 Daniel Fox Released No Fee
8 Feb 2005 Nick Chadwick Plymouth Argyle £250k
31 Jan 2005 Mikel Arteta Real Sociedad (Spa) £1M Loan Fee
28 Jan 2005 Guillaume Plessis Lens (Fra) No Fee
14 Jan 2005 Thomas Gravesen Real Madrid (Spa) £2.45M
10 Jan 2005 Kevin Campbell West Bromwich Albion No Fee
4 Jan 2005 James Beattie Southampton £6.5M
17 Sep 2004 Peter Clark Blackpool No Fee
31 Aug 2004 Wayne Rooney Manchester United £10M
3 Aug 2004 Eddy Bosnar Sturm Graz (Ast) No Fee
30 Jul 2004 Tobias Linderoth Copenhagen (Den) £1.75M
23 Jul 2004 Tim Cahill Millwall £2M
23 Jul 2004 Tomasz Radzinski Fulham £1.75M
30 Jun 2004 David Unsworth Released; Portsmouth No Fee
23 Jun 2004 Marcus Bent Ipswich Town £450k
30 Jun 2004 Patrizzio Pascucci Released No Fee
18 May 2004 Joey Jones Macclesfield Town No Fee
17 May 2004 Francis Jeffers Arsenal Loan Ended
17 May 2004 Steven Schumacher Released; Bradford City No Fee
17 May 2004 Michael Symes Released; Bradford City No Fee
17 May 2004 Scott Gemmill Released No Fee
17 May 2004 Steve Simonsen Released; Stoke City No Fee
17 May 2004 Paul Gerrard Released; Notts Forest No Fee
17 May 2004 Brian Moogan Released No Fee
17 May 2004 Craig Garside Released No Fee
17 May 2004 Scott Brown Released No Fee
24 Mar 2004 Sean O'Hanlon Swindon Town £150k
4 Feb 2004 Niclas Alexandersson IFK Gothenburg (Swe) Free
1 Sep 2003 Kevin Kilbane Sunderland £1M
1 Sep 2003 James McFadden Motherwell £1.25M
1 Sep 2003 Francis Jeffers Arsenal Loan
1 Sep 2003 Mark Pembridge Fulham £500k
31 Aug 2003 Nigel Martyn Leeds United £500k
18 Aug 2003 Kevin McLeod Queens Park Rangers £250k
12 Aug 2003 Li Tie Liaoning Bodao (Chn) ~£1M
31 May 2003 George Pilkington Released Free
31 May 2003 Steven Beck Released Free
31 May 2003 Martin Crowder Released Free
31 May 2003 David Carney Released Free
31 May 2003 Franklyn Colbeck Released Free
31 May 2003 Robert Southern Released Free
23 May 2003 Joseph Yobo Marseille £4.5M
11 May 2003 Juliano Rodrigo Released Free
14 Apr 2003 Ibrahim Saeed Released Free
21 Mar 2003 Brian McBride Columbus Crew (USA) Loan Ended
21 Feb 2003 Espen Baardsen Released Free
20 Jan 2003 Li Wei Feng Shenzhen Jian Lia Bao (Chn) Free
10 Jan 2003 Ibrahim Saeed Al Ahly (Egypt) Loan
8 Jan 2003 Brian McBride Columbus Crew (USA) 3-month loan
3 Jan 2003 Iain Turner Stirling Albion $50k?
24 Dec 2002 Espen Baardsen Watford Free
12 Dec 2002 Joe-Max Moore Released Free
7 Nov 2002 Keith Southern Blackpool ?
6 Sep 2002 Idan Tal Rayo Vallecano (Spa) Free
4 Sep 2002 Andrew Pettinger Released; Grimsby Town Free
25 Jul 2002 Richard Wright Arsenal £3.5M
24 Jul 2002 Juliano Rodrigo Botafogo (Bra) £1.25M
18 Jul 2002 Ryan Valentine Darlington Free
18 Jul 2002 Li Tie Liaoning Bodao (Chn) £200k
17 Jul 2002 Li Wei Feng Shenzhen Pingan (Chn) £200k
9 Jul 2002 Joseph Yobo Marseille (Fra) £1M
31 May 2002 David Eaton Released; Macclesfield Free
18 May 2002 Jesper Blomqvist Released Free
15 May 2002 Alec Cleland Released Free
15 May 2002 David Ginola Released Free
16 Mar 2002 Paul Gascoigne Burnley Free
20 Mar 2002 Thomas Kearney Bradford City Free

Im not logging into no Liverpool forums, someone else can do that :rolleyes:

remember to work out that Moyes has been at Everton longer than Raffa at Liverpool.

Moyes took on Deadwood and has cleared them out.

Raffa took on Gerrard and Carragher so no need to sign anyone to replace them. and they would cost a bomb.

MY GOD SOME OF THE NAMES ON THE ABOVE LIST :eek: hangs head:ninja:

Probably not as small amount as some would have us believe, I know he spent around 15,000,000 on Andy Johnson and Kevin Beattie.

Who is Kevin Beattie :rolleyes:

Mind you who is James Beattie:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Kevin Beattie - He played for Chelsea when they were nothing, when they had no money that is???? so draw your own conclusions that money means nothing.

Moyes has to shop in the bargain basement and has produced some very good players. Raffa is shopping in a richer shop than moyes. you say he could understand the league a lot more if he was shopping in the very rich shop. could he do it in the moyes shop?

My very good season ticket kopite friend tells me Raffa has spent over 100 million since joining the club. he thinks Raffa is making them stronger and i agree. i also think they are not far off a title challenge.

Chelsea can buy buy buy, Man Utd have much better players than them. money does not always buy the best players.

The question is could Raffa do it at Everton. yes or no?

Could Fergie, Wenger or Boreenio do it? it would be a good test of their talents. or maybe their talents is working with money? i have to respect Fergie though. whatever i think of Man Utd he is a top boss.



Most definately yes Tony..again..

Kevin Beattie - He played for Chelsea when they were nothing, when they had no money that is???? so draw your own conclusions that money means nothing.


Kevin Beattie.Did he play for Chelsea Ged..I thought Kevin Beattie played for Ipswich and done rather well..And he was a Great Player as well...If Everton had 2 Kevin Beattie's they would win the league..
I'd settle for 1 though.

http://www.football-england.com/kevin_beattie.html

Was there another Kevin Beattie..Honestly..I can only remember the Ipswich one.

If its true about the latest sighning Raff's after (Diego man utd Forlan)he may as well cross the park.we will be the laughing stock of both ends of the East Lancs rd one miniute its eto or Tevez and then the joker Forlan lets go the whole hog and go for Beattie