There's been quite a few comments over the last little while about the bluenoses wishing that they had the money to spend that Liverpool have.

But I was just kicking through some footy stuff and came across something that may or not be true, to wit that Everton have received a total of 31,000,000 for Wayne Rooney (transfer fee and contractual extras).

If this is true I think I'd be up in arms demanding to know where all that dosh went.:eek:

There's been quite a few comments over the last little while about the bluenoses wishing that they had the money to spend that Liverpool have.

But I was just kicking through some footy stuff and came across something that may or not be true, to wit that Everton have received a total of 31,000,000 for Wayne Rooney (transfer fee and contractual extras).

If this is true I think I'd be up in arms demanding to know where all that dosh went.:eek:

Good point, but far easier for the Bluenoses to blame Liverpool than look at the facts.:PDT11

Seriously, a lot of it went to clear existing debts I think. They also only got about £18 million up front, with the rest spread over the time of the contract or onlypayable depending on appearances/success.

If this is true I think I'd be up in arms demanding to know where all that dosh went.:eek:
I don't think running a football club is quite that simple. I think there are other areas which require funding aside from investing in players.

Seriously, a lot of it went to clear existing debts I think. They also only got about £18 million up front, with the rest spread over the time of the contract or onlypayable depending on appearances/success.


That is bang on Ste. We had to sell him or go pretty much under it seems, or at least be in never ending spirraling debt. If you remember, Everton were looking at entering into a mortgage whereby our next 25 years of potential season ticket sales would be snaffled, thankfully I don't think this went ahead.

That is bang on Ste. We had to sell him or go pretty much under it seems, or at least be in never ending spirraling debt. If you remember, Everton were looking at entering into a mortgage whereby our next 25 years of potential season ticket sales would be snaffled, thankfully I don't think this went ahead.

I didn't know things were quite that bleak.

Seriously it wasn't a wind up, and I was quite surprised to find out just how much the Rooney sale was to EFC.

It looks like the Toffees desperately need that buyer to come along, the problem is that with heavy debts and no forseeable light at the end of the tunnel without mortgaging the clubs future it doesn't seem very likely. Unless there is a real Evertonian out there with very deep pockets who will do it for the love of the club.

Rooney gets loads of stick off Evertonians but he effectivly saved the club,we may have eventually ended up like Leeds if it wasn't for him,our predicament was that serious.If we'd have got relegated God knows what would have happened.

Does anyone know if Everton is planning any big name signings during the summer? I have heard rumors about many Premiership sides however I haven't heard any rumors about Everton and new players.

Rooney gets loads of stick off Evertonians but he effectivly saved the club,we may have eventually ended up like Leeds if it wasn't for him,our predicament was that serious.If we'd have got relegated God knows what would have happened.

Er so he wasn't just being a greedy pr*ck who pledged his future to Everton and then fecked off to the highest bidder the first chance he got ?:rolleyes:

Who'd be the owner of a club eh. You can't do right for doing wrong, it'd have to be for the love of it. It'd be easy to come out of a club with 50 million pounds at the end of it - start with 100 million.

Er so he wasn't just being a greedy pr*ck who pledged his future to Everton and then fecked off to the highest bidder the first chance he got ?:rolleyes:

He was yes but the club had to sell their best asset in order to compete again.It's no coincidence that Everton have qualified for Europe twice in three years from an annual relegation fight,their fortunes have completely changed since they lost that crippling debt.Remember Everton lost the Kings Dock stadium over a measly £30 million that they just couldn't afford to stump up.With the Premiership now awash with big money Everton could probably have done that easily now?

Hear hear - onwards and upwards.

From the smallest, oldest squad with Dunc, Weir, Gough, Martyn etc to a team whose average age has decreased significantly with bright youngsters hungry to succeed just having signed long term contracts without having to paint a slogan on their tee shirt.

I didn't know things were quite that bleak.

It looks like the Toffees desperately need that buyer to come along, the problem is that with heavy debts and no forseeable light at the end of the tunnel without mortgaging the clubs future it doesn't seem very likely. Unless there is a real Evertonian out there with very deep pockets who will do it for the love of the club.

Given Kenwright's latest venture, I think it is a matter of 'Any Team Will Do' :shock:

Everton have received a total of 31,000,000 for Wayne Rooney (transfer fee and contractual extras).

If this is true I think I'd be up in arms demanding to know where all that dosh went.:eek: Most Evertonians know it went to pay down some of the massive debt incurred by Peter Johnson, the Liverpudlian, one time owner of Everton Football Club.

At least they're not owned by some pro-war neocon financial backer of George Bush! :o

Most Evertonians know it went to pay down some of the massive debt incurred by Peter Johnson, the Liverpudlian, one time owner of Everton Football Club.

IF that's true then Everton FC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing Rooney to take all the criticism that he received when apparantly Everton had every intention of cashing in on him to avoid going into receivership.

IF that was the situation Everton had found themselves in shouldn't they have explained that they were sorry to lose Rooney but it was their only option ?

Or was it easier just to cash in and blame everything on Shreck ?:rolleyes:

At least they're not owned by some pro-war neocon financial backer of George Bush! :o

Whats wrong with being a pro war neo con george Bush supporter?

We got £10 million up front followed by another £10 million the following season. We just got another £500,000 for Man Yew winning the League. The rest of the money is tied up in bonuses for Man Yew winning the UEFA CL Engalnd appearances and a sell on of 25% of any future sale of Rooney over the fee they paid for him! Its doubtful we will see any more money from Man U as we keep buying players from them!

Moyes has not seen any of the money the first money went to pay off a very short term loan from Phillip Green(BHS) that he gave to Kenwright to avoid EFC going into administration.

EFC pay,for another 18 years, 3 million ish each year to pay off a loan that was given on the back of projected season ticket sales in 2001.

Amazingly EFC are now one of the most debt free clubs in Britain. This is due to not having dodgy foreign owners buying us out with loans that are owned by the club not the buyer,Man Utd, West Ham, Spurs, Man City(Soon) and Worst Fans in Europe to name but a few

IF that's true then Everton FC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing Rooney to take all the criticism that he received when apparantly Everton had every intention of cashing in on him to avoid going into receivership.

IF that was the situation Everton had found themselves in shouldn't they have explained that they were sorry to lose Rooney but it was their only option ?

Or was it easier just to cash in and blame everything on Shreck ?:rolleyes: Not like honest Abe Liverpool FC. "It wuz UEFA who witheld 6,000 tickets lads, not us. You loyal fans got all of our 17,000 allocation, HONEST!!!!!":rolleyes:

Whats wrong with being a pro war neo con george Bush supporter? Well for starters, it means you are most likely to be American. Shall I continue?;)

Stop beating about the 'bush' Sloyne - you should know that Liverpool do everything by the book and complain about other teams making spurious approaches for players etc and yet did the same to Boro for Ziege.

At the end of the day, football is business and the club will do whatever is best for the them and them alone, not the fans - them.

Stop beating about the 'bush' Sloyne -. Can't help it, I get so pissed off when people sl@g off other teams as if their own team did only the right thing. I can understand loyal fans, i'm one myself, but at the end of the season both Everton and Liverpool won the same amount of trophy's. The team that finished first was Manchester United and if your team didn't finish first then that made your team a loser. Just when did finishing second, third, seventh etc., become a footballing success?:unibrow:

Well finishing 4th does make you a CHAMPIONS league contender these days doesn't it, all the G8?10?12 teams fed up of losing out saw to that - I say get it back to the true Champions instead of being able to lose a game or 2 (even in the qualifiers) and still win it :unibrow:

Not like honest Abe Liverpool FC. "It wuz UEFA who witheld 6,000 tickets lads, not us. You loyal fans got all of our 17,000 allocation, HONEST!!!!!":rolleyes:

???? What are you on about ? WHO at Liverpool ever mentioned UEFA witholding 6,000 tickets ? Parry has said all along (or at least after he was pressured to explain) that Liverpool got 17,000 tickets, 6,000 of which went to former shareholders, former players and club sponsors.

And what the feck has Liverpool's allocation got to do with the possibility of EFC selling Rooney to keep the club afloat and then setting him up as the villian to deflect criticism of the Chairman and directors ?

Seriously, if you want to start a thread to discuss whether we were shafted by UEFA or whether 6,000 tickets were way too many to be allocated to people who don't support the club week in and week out I'll be more than happy to join in. But if what has been said here is true can't you see that Everton FC have acted in a pretty underhanded way by painting Shreck as the villian in that whole transfer affair ?

Just when did finishing second, third, seventh etc., become a footballing success?:unibrow:

Didn't Everton bring a DVD out when they finished 4th above us in 2005 ?:rolleyes:

Well for starters, it means you are most likely to be American. Shall I continue?;)

Well I'm not a George Bush supporter but what does it matter what Hick's and Gilett's political views are as long as they want LFC to succeed its irrelevant. Does anyone know John Moores views or Rick Parry's? And i'm sure the fans have a wide spectrum of political views. What does Benitez think of Spanish politics is he pro bull fighting? What did Houlier think of French society? do you have to be PC to run a footie club now?

Well for starters, it means you are most likely to be American. Shall I continue?;)

Errrrrr can't see much wrong with being an American meself.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Well I'm not a George Bush supporter but what does it matter what Hick's and Gilett's political views are as long as they want LFC to succeed its irrelevant. Does anyone know John Moores views or Rick Parry's? And i'm sure the fans have a wide spectrum of political views. What does Benitez think of Spanish politics is he pro bull fighting? What did Houlier think of French society? do you have to be PC to run a footie club now? HEY BUDDY CALM DOWN!!!!!!, you obviously missed the smiley.

???? What are you on about ?
Everton FC have acted in a pretty underhanded way by painting Shreck as the villian in that whole transfer affair ? I can see that the subject of Everton Football Club and it's transfer activity, at least regarding Wayne Rooney, means a lot to you and, I think you may have confused me with someone who really gives a f*ck. Perhaps you expect me to stop supporting Everton because you have a problem with this particular transfer and seeing as you support Liverpool FC, I can't for the life of me see why you would be so interested in what Everton do and, I know you really don't have the best interest of that teams supporters at heart so i'm at a loss (facetious) as to why you would be so upset at the Rooney transfer.

I find the whole subject of arguing about whose team is better at everything than another to be, quite frankly, childish and a lot like two children arguing; "my team is better than yours, my dad can beat your dad, my d!ck is bigger than yours", so I will conceed the field to you and bow out of the discussion.:rolleyes:

Errrrrr can't see much wrong with being an American meself.:PDT_Aliboronz_24: I can. The richest nation on the planet with 60million illitrates, 40million children without medicare, 60million homeless or inadequately sheltered, most of them children, state executions, worlds worst polluters, largest amount of per capita spent on the military of any nation on the planet, the only nation to ever use a weapon of mass destruction in anger, two actually, the most agressive nation of the twentieth century attacking and interfering in, among others, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, China, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Columbia, Bolivia, Cuba, Guatamal, Panama, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Haiti et al. Oops! sorry that wasn't American's that was just their governments.

PS: Also the least democratic of the worlds democracies, according to a study by Stanford, Cornel and Princeton Universities. But hey, whose counting?:)

Sorry Sloyne, I just don't believe your stats, there is medical coverage available to all children. There is emergency medicine available to all people. I spent the last 8 years of my working life in healthcare and a lot of bad things said about it are just not true. I have never seen even homeless people refused care.
I am not saying all is Ok with the system, it does leave a lot to be desired but I am sure other countries have problems too.
I am sure Canada us the ideal place with no homeless, no illiteracy and the best of everything for everyone. But I chose to live in the USA, I love the country, I fly the flag and I am proud to live here.
Sorry we got way off topic so I won't discuss this anymore.

If this is true I think I'd be up in arms demanding to know where all that dosh went.:eek:
The cut to the agent! :disgust:
Good agents could make a more than decent living from representing players and the money football would save through outlawing those obscene seven-figure cuts paid by clubs from straightforward transfers such as Wayne Rooney's from Everton to Manchester United could either stay in the game or be passed back to its customers. - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/06/03/sfnpb203.xml)

I can see that the subject of Everton Football Club and it's transfer activity, at least regarding Wayne Rooney, means a lot to you and, I think you may have confused me with someone who really gives a f*ck. Perhaps you expect me to stop supporting Everton because you have a problem with this particular transfer and seeing as you support Liverpool FC, I can't for the life of me see why you would be so interested in what Everton do and, I know you really don't have the best interest of that teams supporters at heart so i'm at a loss (facetious) as to why you would be so upset at the Rooney transfer.

I find the whole subject of arguing about whose team is better at everything than another to be, quite frankly, childish and a lot like two children arguing; "my team is better than yours, my dad can beat your dad, my d!ck is bigger than yours", so I will conceed the field to you and bow out of the discussion.:rolleyes:

I think you better had Sloyne if you are unable to conduct a debate without thinking that I'm out to get you to change your club because my opinions differ to yours

For what it's worth it really doesn't "mean a lot to me" I'm not really "so interested" and I'm certainly not "upset" at all I merely posed the question as to where all the Rooney cash went, to be honest I was quite surprised with the concensus of opinion from the blues on here that the money went to pay off debts and keep Everton afloat. Which raised my second question as to whether or not Rooney had been poorly treated by the club seeing how most blues blame him for something that quite possibly was put into motion by the club itself.

It's called _debate_ Sloyne, I'm pretty sure that's what the whole idea of these kind of chat sites is all about.

If someone was to tell me that Parry has done a pish poor job I'd be inclined to agree, I wouldn't have a hissy fit and take it all personal.

Methinks you need to lighten up a bit mate.:rolleyes:

I can. The richest nation on the planet with 60million illitrates, 40million children without medicare, 60million homeless or inadequately sheltered, most of them children, state executions, worlds worst polluters, largest amount of per capita spent on the military of any nation on the planet, the only nation to ever use a weapon of mass destruction in anger, two actually, the most agressive nation of the twentieth century attacking and interfering in, among others, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, China, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Chile, Columbia, Bolivia, Cuba, Guatamal, Panama, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Haiti et al. Oops! sorry that wasn't American's that was just their governments.

PS: Also the least democratic of the worlds democracies, according to a study by Stanford, Cornel and Princeton Universities. But hey, whose counting?:)

Kinda surprised by your attitude there Sloyne especially seeing how you have lived there yourself.

America has it's problems but so does every country, including back home in the UK and here in Canada.

Surely we can be against the Bush administration without tarring all Americans with the same brush ? That sounds as barmy as disliking all the English in the 70's and 80's just because of that bint Thatcher.:rolleyes:

I dunno about it being the least democratic of the worlds democracies but if I wasn't here (in Toronto) or back home in Liverpool I'd probably be living there meself.

Didn't Everton bring a DVD out when they finished 4th above us in 2005 ?:rolleyes:

Yes they did,and when they finished 7th in 2003,they brought one out called The Magnificent Seventh (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Everton-End-Season-Review-2002/dp/B000096KGM/ref=sr_1_31/202-4621958-8523851?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1181201395&sr=1-31).

Didn't Everton bring a DVD out when they finished 4th above us in 2005 ?:rolleyes:


Everton, just like the rest who get in on a captive market, release a dvd every year of the season's goals so that year was no more a new release than any of the other years, but if you want to think it was :rolleyes:

I think you better had Sloyne if you are unable to conduct a debate without thinking that I'm out to get you to change your club because my opinions differ to yours You asked a question about the Rooney transfer money. I answered to the best of my ability and my own limited knowledge of the transaction. You continued the discussion as if I was lying and infered that the team I support are a criminal enterprise or something akin to one. I have a life and it's not soccer or an individual soccer team/club. I admit to having a preference for the Everton club. I have eight siblings who support the Liverpool team. I don't give a sh!t about continuing this, what I consider an, infantile discussion. I will not answer any more of your posts on the matter. In fact I will put you on my ignore list. Good bye.

Rooney's carrying Ricky Hatton's belt to the ring when Hatton fights In Vegas on the 23rd.

For what it's worth it really doesn't "mean a lot to me" I'm not really "so interested" and I'm certainly not "upset" at all I merely posed the question Just one parting shot: For someone who states that soccer "doesn't mean a lot" to him and, is "really not so interested" in the subject and, does not get "upset" about football he has a strange way of showing it. Out of six threads started by scouse-mouse five (5) are on the the subject of either Liverpool Football Club and David Moyes, the manager of Everton Football Club. Methinks that maybe someone needs to get a life. :)

You asked a question about the Rooney transfer money. I answered to the best of my ability and my own limited knowledge of the transaction. You continued the discussion as if I was lying and infered that the team I support are a criminal enterprise or something akin to one. I have a life and it's not soccer or an individual soccer team/club. I admit to having a preference for the Everton club. I have eight siblings who support the Liverpool team. I don't give a sh!t about continuing this, what I consider an, infantile discussion. I will not answer any more of your posts on the matter. In fact I will put you on my ignore list. Good bye.

And goodbye to you Sloyne.:rolleyes:

Sorry if you were offended that I had the nerve to continue this discussion after you'd offered your opinion, but as I _tried_ to explain it's called "debate".

Hopefully the other blues on here will be able to debate a point every now and again without concluding that every criticism of their club (however mild) is an accusation of criminal activity.:rolleyes:

Half time now chaps (unless you wanna continue this in the tunnel) :)


I know scousey got the last word in just on the 45th minute but I didn't have Sir Alex's watch :unibrow:

Just one parting shot: For someone who states that soccer "doesn't mean a lot" to him and, is "really not so interested" in the subject and, does not get "upset" about football he has a strange way of showing it. Out of six threads started by scouse-mouse five (5) are on the the subject of either Liverpool Football Club and David Moyes, the manager of Everton Football Club. Methinks that maybe someone needs to get a life. :)

I think if you reread my reply again you'll see that I never at any time said those things about football (soccer). I was merely responding to _your_ comments on the subject of quote "Everton Football Club and it's transfer activity, at least regarding Wayne Rooney".

Methinks that someone needs to pay a little more attention.:rolleyes:

Half time now chaps (unless you wanna continue this in the tunnel) :)


I know scousey got the last word in just on the 45th minute but I didn't have Sir Alex's watch :unibrow:

LOL.:)

HEY BUDDY CALM DOWN!!!!!!, you obviously missed the smiley.

Alright sorry I wasn't having a go mate.

And goodbye to you Sloyne.:rolleyes:

Sorry if you were offended that I had the nerve to continue this discussion after you'd offered your opinion, but as I _tried_ to explain it's called "debate".

Hopefully the other blues on here will be able to debate a point every now and again without concluding that every criticism of their club (however mild) is an accusation of criminal activity.:rolleyes: Just what is your fixation with the Everton Football Club. You are responsible for starting six (6) threads, three (3) are about Liverpool Football Club and two (2) are about Everton Football Club. You are a fan of Liverpool FC so it is understandable that you would want to talk about them, however, and in almost equal proportion, you start threads about Everton FC, and pose questions that have already been answered in the press and published on the internet and you feign curiosity as to what the rank and file Evertonians think of this or that issue. So that begs the question; Just what is your fixation with a club you don't support? Is it a sickness? Can it be cured? Is it catching? Does one need to be quarantined? Can one be vacinated against contracting the Evertonitis fixation?

Just what is your fixation with the Everton Football Club. You are responsible for starting six (6) threads, three (3) are about Liverpool Football Club and two (2) are about Everton Football Club. You are a fan of Liverpool FC so it is understandable that you would want to talk about them, however, and in almost equal proportion, you start threads about Everton FC, and pose questions that have already been answered in the press and published on the internet and you feign curiosity as to what the rank and file Evertonians think of this or that issue. So that begs the question; Just what is your fixation with a club you don't support? Is it a sickness? Can it be cured? Is it catching? Does one need to be quarantined? Can one be vacinated against contracting the Evertonitis fixation?

We are their history

Just what is your fixation with the Everton Football Club. You are responsible for starting six (6) threads, three (3) are about Liverpool Football Club and two (2) are about Everton Football Club. You are a fan of Liverpool FC so it is understandable that you would want to talk about them, however, and in almost equal proportion, you start threads about Everton FC, and pose questions that have already been answered in the press and published on the internet and you feign curiosity as to what the rank and file Evertonians think of this or that issue. So that begs the question; Just what is your fixation with a club you don't support? Is it a sickness? Can it be cured? Is it catching? Does one need to be quarantined? Can one be vacinated against contracting the Evertonitis fixation?

For someone who is supposed to be "ignoring me" you seem to be spending an awful lot of time answering my posts and checking my profile to see what kind of threads I've been starting. :shock:

Maybe you need one of those fixation injections yourself Sloyne ? :rolleyes:

For what it's worth compared to some I don't post all that often and I certainly don't start too many threads. Maybe next time you are checking my posting habits you can let me know how many of my actual posts are Everton related, at a guess I'd probably say that it was a very small percentage.

One thing is certain, had I known that the two threads that have have started about Everton were going to get you all hot and bothered I probably wouldn't have posted 'em.:rolleyes:

Maybe next time you are checking my posting habits you can let me know how many of my actual posts are Everton related, at a guess I'd probably say that it was a very small percentage. Work it out for yourself; Out of six (6) posts, three (3) are Liverpool FC related and two (2) are Everton FC related. A very large percentage sez I.

One thing is certain, had I known that the two threads that have have started about Everton were going to get you all hot and bothered I probably wouldn't have posted 'em.:rolleyes: Forgive me if I don't believe you. You strike me as one of those people who delight in screwing up someones day, you know, just like those hackers who plant viruses and worms on the internet. You can't really see the result of your handy-work but you do, i'm sure, take delight in causing someone to have a bad day.
Well, fortunately for me, you didn't spoil mine. I had a wonderful day on the links of Carrying Place and shot two strokes better than my average for the year. I'm not getting older, i'm getting better.;)

Work it out for yourself; Out of six (6) posts, three (3) are Liverpool FC related and two (2) are Everton FC related. A very large percentage sez I.

You really need to pay better attention Sloyne :rolleyes:

I've already conceded that I don't start many threads, what I _said_ was "maybe next time you are checking my posting habits you can let me know how many of my actual posts are Everton related".

"Posts" being the key word.

Probably a small percentage methinks.:unibrow:

Forgive me if I don't believe you.

Yeah you are probably right, I would have gone ahead, if only for the pleasure of seeing you get all discombobulated.:rolleyes:

Well done with the golf btw, I nearly got a hole in one myself once, but the windmill knocked the ball out of the way at the very last second.:unibrow:

Btw that's 50 posts on this thread, the largest thread of the year on the Everton forum.:rolleyes:

Sloyne you should be thanking me for breathing some life into this sleepy part of the site instead of a mumbling and a grumbling.:unibrow: