DEMONSTRATION AGAINST THE CUTS

[John Doh]

From today's Daily Post:

St George’s Hall demonstration planned against council cuts

THOUSANDS are expected to protest on Saturday at government cuts forcing 1,500 redundancies at Liverpool council.
Trade unionists will gather outside St George’s Hall at 11am in a major rally.
Yesterday, the council announced the huge number of redundancies which equates to one in six in the 9,000 workforce losing their job.
The council must cut £91m from an available £400m budget for the coming financial year, and said compulsory redundancies were inevitable.
Council leader Joe Anderson apologised to staff after an error meant the news was not posted on the council’s internal computer network until early afternoon.
It had been intended the message would have awaited staff as they arrived in the morning.
Dave Prentis, general secretary of Unison, said: “Liverpool cannot afford to lose so many jobs.
“The impact on the city and on the workforce will be devastating.
“How many more jobs have to go and people’s lives ruined before this Government wakes up to the fact that there is an alternative, a better way and fairer way?”
It will also have to axe a further £50m the year after.

Staff reacted with shock and bewilderment at the news of the redundancies.
Frank Hont, Unison North West regional secretary, said: “This latest news will be devastating for our members employed by Liverpool City Council, and there will be a major impact on communities in Liverpool.
“There is no way that job cuts of this magnitude can be made without it having an effect on some of the poorest and most vulnerable communities in the city.
“The Tory-led government has unleashed a vicious attack on public services and it appears to Unison that these cuts are being targeted at local councils in the North West – an area already suffering from deprivation and rising unemployment.” Debbie Brannan, Unite’s regional officer, said the cuts would be “brutal” and have a devastating impact on services.
“We will be discussing with our members at both councils what action they wish to take to halt these job losses caused by the coalition’s decision to deeply cut local government funding. We are being hit by a tidal wave of job losses in the region.

[GeorgePorgie]

Perhaps if the council stopped waisting money this might not have arose.
They ludicrously spend money as if it fell off trees,how many times have we seen roads being dug up only to see it being dug up again by utilities companies and the whole process of relaying it transpires.

The housing no longer exist on the council but we still see them spending european money on urban reneration ie money ploughedinto giving some houses a front elevation facelift free of charge even if its owned privatly or private landlord,this entails double glazing, a paint job if wanted by the owner.

How about those Ally gates....these are supposed to be security gates...hah...ask a scally how to open it with a screwdriver.

The list is endless in spending money that doesn't need to be spent by the council.

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Oh and while I'm at it....

Could someone kindly tell me why the council draft in outside contractors to tackle some of its workload? thats a hefty spenditure if ever I saw one.

[Ged]

The alley gates have almost unanimously been one of their better ideas as burglaries by this method have fallen drastically.

The roads being dug up endlessly it seem is a good one though - pot hole filling now is apparently having to take a back seat.

If you have any ideas on where cuts can be made, Joe Anderson has been on the radio today inviting ideas onto their website.

The thing is, Labour have a ready made excuse in that, locally, he is saying he has inherited this problem, though Nationally he fails to see that the coalition could say the same :rolleyes:

Perhaps the selling off of the family's silver throughout the decades is also to blame as the local leaders in power only worry about balancing the books whilst they're in power and sod who comes afterwards - and this can be traced back to the 1980s at least.

[GeorgePorgie]

The alley gates have almost unanimously been one of their better ideas as burglaries by this method have fallen drastically.

Ged,the first batch of ally gates(quite a lot) can be opened with a knife or screwdriver in between the frame and the latching and a quick yank and the gate is open...where's the security? guess who put these together? ex cons...lol

[Ged]

Whether that's true or not, it is a fact that some people with these now sleep better and I know quite a few.

[GeorgePorgie]

Whether that's true or not

Its true,and I had to get the council out to weld a plate over the gap,they came and just riveted the plate...thats no bleedin use so I got them out to weld it.

Even the hinges are riveted on...for heavens sake...only takes a portable drill to et them off.

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Ask yourself this,Ged.....how do the binmen get into the entry when the gates closed? they can't garry a whole bunch of keys as the gates have an individual lock for each entry.

[Ged]

So would you rather not have them. The fact is, once up, they cost no more.

I expect would be burglars wouldn't want to be heard with portable drills and screwdrivers etc. ;)

It's up to residents to use them as meant to be and that means leaving them open for the binmen then locking them, likewise the binmen should lock them then if they have to open them.

[lindylou]

You are both right. :)

It's true what Ged says that a lot of people feel safer with the alley gates and the gates have helped reduce anti-social behaviour - ie, youths drinking in the back entries and making a disturbance. I think burgalries are fewer because the gates prevent quick getaways.

But I know what George is saying too - -I've seen lads just hop over the fences like spring heel jack !! or sometimes they use wheelie bins as a step up.
Also, some neighbours fail to keep their gates closed. I often see alley gates which are always left open.

We have found an improvement where I live as we used to get a lot of kids drinking in the entry and smashing bottles.

Better to have the gates as not.

[GeorgePorgie]

I expect would be burglars wouldn't want to be heard with portable drills and screwdrivers

Was waiting for this....they took the gate of using this method down my jigger...thats how I came to mention the drill.
The gates are a joke and you might has well leave the key in the lock.

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Alls I'm sayin is weld a plate over the lock gap and weld the hinges on to the frame...and then they will be secure.

[Ged]

If they are left open by residents, then that is a case of the resident failing, not the gates. If used correctly, they are worth it.

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Was waiting for this....they took the gate of using this method down my jigger...thats how I came to mention the drill.
The gates are a joke and you might has well leave the key in the lock.

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Alls I'm sayin is weld a plate over the lock gap and weld the hinges on to the frame...and then they will be secure.

Can't George. That would cost money that you've already said is wasted because of them in the first place. Make yer mind up will yer. :)

[GeorgePorgie]

Can't George. That would cost money that you've already said is wasted because of them in the first place. Make yer mind up will yer.

Exactly,they didn't get it right first time around ie wasted money agin.

[Ged]

Well, like i've suggested, write in and be laughed out.

There are other genuine ways of cost cutting though i'm sure.

[lindylou]

I've got my doubts about the 'benefit??' of speed humps - - - they are just a flamin' nuisance ! We seem to have more than our fair share of very steep ones around here and just driving from A to B is like having your insides shaken up !!
They just annoy normal drivers and the ones who speed still do it anyway :angry:
I see cars hurtling down our road and they almost fly over the speed humps.
We have those table type ones on some of the main roads in Anfield - they are horrible to drive over, or you have to make an effort to swerve around them. Flamin' pain they are !
The speed humps have not done much to deter speeding cars around here anyway !

I wouldn't be sorry to see them all dug up and flattened over. They were a waste of money.

[GeorgePorgie]

Well, like i've suggested, write in and be laughed out.


Laughed out at what? I'm sure if I was to video my hand opening the ally gate with a screwdriver and sending it to the Echo to view... it'll be the council being laughed at and an uproar of joe public up in arms over it.

[Ged]

I was once in a funeral car whose underside scraped over one and it caused a bit of a delay in the journey. Also there are streets with full width ones that emergency vehicles have to slow for. Then there are the red lumps spaced 3 or 4 abreast on wider roads that cause you almost to crash into on-coming vehicles.

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Laughed out at what? I'm sure if I was to video my hand opening the ally gate with a screwdriver and sending it to the Echo to view... it'll be the council being laughed at and an uproar of joe public up in arms over it.

Do it then, you obviously feel strongly about it ;)

[GeorgePorgie]

Now Lindy has the hump. :)

[lindylou]

I was once in a funeral car whose underside scraped over one and it caused a bit of a delay in the journey. Also there are streets with full width ones that emergency vehicles have to slow for. Then there are the red lumps spaced 3 or 4 abreast on wider roads that cause you almost to crash into on-coming vehicles.

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There was a hoohar about the ones in Thirlmere rd - they were ridiculously high and funerals and emergency vehicles were having problems. I think they had to lower them in the end.

Those red ones 3 or 4 abreast are the ones I mean (wide square ones like a table) - they are a nuisance to drive over.

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Now Lindy has the hump. :)

Yeah. I seems to be in a soapbox mode today ! ;)

[gregs dad]

The only people who complain about speed bumps are motorists, I`ve never heard a pedistrian complain.

[pennylane]

@ John Doh , do you think the Demo's tomorrow will do any good ? The recent student protests have bought about disciplinary action from those in power at Birmingham Uni , the students are being threatened with expulsion , i signed a petition for them last night . It's highlighted on Billy Braggs FB page ..

When did we become a country where demonstration is a punishable offense , our unions are almost powerless and will become more so under this government . The only way to stop them is by mass strike and walk outs , solidarity ..

[pennylane]

There was a need George , our shops were a disgrace . But in saying that , i have voiced my disdain in the past at the now soulless church street and Lord street area ....

[Ged]

George- that was private money - not the council

I would also add, it awoken the St Johns owners in wanting to do something about their centre (though that's now on hold/watered down) and the old Woolies building in Church st has been knocked through to form a new mall with new shops to link to L1 so it's added to the general area. I see Church st almost every saturday and it's heaving.

It probably spelt the demise of lewis's but that was on the cards a couple of years prior anyway. London road has been soulless since the 80s - L1 didn't add to that. Hopefully firms see outside investment on this scale and have now added to the city's wellbeing.

[GeorgePorgie]

our shops were a disgrace

In what way? if you have shops lying empty to begin with then its throwing money into the wind erecting more...just plain silly.

[Ged]

In what way? if you have shops lying empty to begin with then its throwing money into the wind erecting more...just plain silly.

Not so - it wasn't council money but private investment - read the above. Ask Lord Grosvenor if it was wasted or the people using the shops on land that was basically an eyesore anyway.

[GeorgePorgie]

In April 1999, Liverpool City Council passed a resolution for comprehensive redevelopment of the Paradise Street Area,[9] which consisted of the area bound by Strand Street, the Combined Courts Centre, Lord Street, Church Street, Hanover Street and Liver Street. The area contained Chavasse Park, the Paradise Street Bus Station and NCP Car Park, Quiggins, the Moat House Hotel, Canning Place Fire Station and BBC Radio Merseyside. There were also large areas of wasteland, some used as car parks.

In March 2000, after a series of technical workshops, Liverpool City Council selected the Duke of Westminster's Grosvenor Group as developer.[9] The Development Agreement between the council and Grosvenor was signed in January 2003.[10]

[Ged]

That is correct. It was built on land sold to the Grosvenor Group for development.

Next!

[NickPantera]

@ John Doh and Sympathizers

Can't you just, for once, think an alternative to Cuts policies, and bring fresh new ideas to the current state of the system,
Instead of constantly thinking of breaking the law and something else? Do you really think your disobedient behavior will produce goods for the days to come?

[Ged]

Here you go George. Unison have come up with some better ideas than leaving bomb sites alone instead of having them developed into the largest retail site in Europe. Don't hit the citizens of this and other cities, hit the banks and fat cat off shore bar stewards.

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[pennylane]

Thanks for that Ged . This government are as usual hitting the wrong people in the wrong places ...

[GeorgePorgie]

Thing is,Ged why Livepool city council? there's nothing in the news about it cutting the workforce in other councils up and down the country so basically alls I can say is that this councils spending has got be considerably higher than all other councils on the map.

[lindylou]

There was a need George , our shops were a disgrace . But in saying that , i have voiced my disdain in the past at the now soulless church street and Lord street area ....

Yes, we badly needed some decent shops.
I for one am made up with Debenhams, and all the designer shops are great for the young ones. (or the not so young ones even ) :)

[underworld]

They also wreck the anti roll bars on your car costing in my case, £90 for a new pair at 34,000 miles.

Fornunately my wheelbase is wide enough to clear the speed lumps and i dont need to slow down. So whats the point of that?

[Ged]

Thing is,Ged why Livepool city council? there's nothing in the news about it cutting the workforce in other councils up and down the country so basically alls I can say is that this councils spending has got be considerably higher than all other councils on the map.





There are more going in Manchester than in Liverpool for one example.

[John Doh]

@ John Doh , do you think the Demo's tomorrow will do any good ? The recent student protests have bought about disciplinary action from those in power at Birmingham Uni , the students are being threatened with expulsion , i signed a petition for them last night . It's highlighted on Billy Braggs FB page ..

When did we become a country where demonstration is a punishable offense , our unions are almost powerless and will become more so under this government . The only way to stop them is by mass strike and walk outs , solidarity ..

I think we may be moving towards the point where the Government won't be able to continue to ignore protests - always providing that they do continue to grow and that real solidarity is shown by all sections of society, with students and workers seeing themselves as having common interests, as in other countries. I accept that with fewer workers and weakened Unions it's not so easy to achieve now; however, the poll tax rebellion showed that it can still be done... It won't be easy and it won't be nice: there'll be a few cracked heads and worse before it's over...

Unless, of course, ingenious, radical, non-violent alternatives can be offered in time, e.g. ideas like those put forward by UK Uncut, The Robin Hood Tax, consumer power campaigns like switching banks to non-bonus outfits, or customers refusing to pay VAT rises... There are a number of such solutions yet to be tried... and maybe this is where Facebook, Twitter and the new technology have an important part to play... Why not see if you can get Billy Bragg involved? - That might make a difference!

See stuff on UK Uncut HERE: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12027256

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[lindylou]

Sorry John, we were all to blame there for talking about alley gates and shops :PDT_Aliboronz_11: straying away from the main topic rather. :o

[burkhilly]

I think a demonstration is a good idea - if people take part. I am going - because unlike others on this thread I think further cuts to our public services are an absolute disgrace. Everyone needs to open their eyes to what is happening.

People have ****ged the council off on this thread - public servants run libraries/leisure centres/meals on wheels/home helps/schools. It's not just about the fat cats in the council. Somebody mentioned roads being dug up - from what I've seen this is usually utility companies - who have the law in their favour.

Public servants are the Fire Brigade and the Police Force. Public Servants are the NHS - Doctors/Nurses/ancilliary staff. All these services are facing big cutbacks.

I know what's right and what's wrong, and these cuts are wrong at every level.

[pennylane]

Absolutely Burkhilly , i agree 100 %

[Diane Louise]

The alley gates have almost unanimously been one of their better ideas as burglaries by this method have fallen drastically.

The roads being dug up endlessly it seem is a good one though - pot hole filling now is apparently having to take a back seat.

If you have any ideas on where cuts can be made, Joe Anderson has been on the radio today inviting ideas onto their website.

The thing is, Labour have a ready made excuse in that, locally, he is saying he has inherited this problem, though Nationally he fails to see that the coalition could say the same :rolleyes:

Perhaps the selling off of the family's silver throughout the decades is also to blame as the local leaders in power only worry about balancing the books whilst they're in power and sod who comes afterwards - and this can be traced back to the 1980s at least.

I think they can should get rid of traffic wardens, more trouble than they are worth!

The demonstration is a brilliant idea cos these cuts are going to effect our society very badly!

[Oudeis]

I think they can should get rid of traffic wardens, more trouble than they are worth!

The demonstration is a brilliant idea cos these cuts are going to effect our society very badly!

Sadly DL apart from folk parking in the wrong place and the increase in work-load for the Police there is also the revenue. :(

[Max]

Burgulars wouldn't want to use a portable drill for alley gates as they would make too much noise surely?

Students here keep knocking on my door to borrow the key because they won't get one and landlord is probably too tight to pay a fiver for one! Plus some neighbours leave the gates open to so the students can wheel the bin to the collection point including my own stubborn mother who keeps doing the bins for them. Tis annoying since I have helped her a few times because she ends up taking so many of their bins to the collection point so I am going to have to get angry with these students next time. New ones replace them every 6 months though and the landlords are always on holiday too which is partly why I think there is a lot so wrong with the property market!

Speed bumps I don't mind as long as they are the normal black ones and not those stupid red ones that are 3 separate little bumps! Pot holes dotted everywhere I drive or cycle might as well be enough as speed bumps since they won't fix the roads unless it's the dock road!

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Yes, we badly needed some decent shops.
I for one am made up with Debenhams, and all the designer shops are great for the young ones. (or the not so young ones even ) :)

Could use more cycle shops in the city centre. Glad Giant opened one on Parliment st and is opening another in L1 and love that Class Olhson shop in Clayton Sqaure! Too many clothes shops in the city centre or too many small shops where they hardly sell much. Wish the book shops were bigger and I miss Borders in Speke! Book shops only have big shelves if it's Jordan or nonsense biographies. Lol, the Waterstones in Bold St and L1 are bigger than the Trafford Centre one though! It's like the size of a a corner shop and back room put together!

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I don't blame the students for some of the protest though, 9k a year while Scotland and Wales have subsidised fees and yet we are one country!

If Cameron wants to really sort out the NHS then stopping tax payers money going to private funding iniatives(maybe dump PFI totally if possible) and to stop the NHS funding that homeopathic nonsense would be a start. Not these fake things like giving GP's more power so they will shut up about cuts! Homeopathic medicine is fake and it is not ethical for them to be funding phony medicine! The coaliation has even just give an NHS hospital to a private firm too in Cambridgeshire!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11838687

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8524926.stm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/aug/13/nhs-pfi-65-billion-bill-repayments

Instead the coaliation target Daily Mail/Sun/other nonsense papers like Welfare or other public sector things which maybe problems obviously but are easy targets and yet they will ignore major big problems!

[ItsaZappathing]

I think they can should get rid of traffic wardens, more trouble than they are worth!

The demonstration is a brilliant idea cos these cuts are going to effect our society very badly!

I agree. As for money wasting..I see plenty of it around where I live and I mean plenty.

[burkhilly]

I agree. As for money wasting..I see plenty of it around where I live and I mean plenty.

Without wanting to be critical - who is wasting money? The Council..........and in what way? Am interested because if there are significant amounts being wasted, I'd like to know.

[Gerard Fleming]

Without wanting to be critical - who is wasting money? The Council..........and in what way? Am interested because if there are significant amounts being wasted, I'd like to know.



Hows about >> This (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/07/20/liverpool-council-give-extra-300-000-to-pay-for-shanghai-expo-finale-92534-26887642/) for starters...

[Spike]

I think they can should get rid of traffic wardens, more trouble than they are worth!


They should get rid of that guy in town who is way way too fat. His uniform must cost a bomb. He gets tired writing out a ticket. I mean the guy is so unfit. You must have seen him in the car park near the museum flyover? Its silly just watch him. He is knackered all the time.

They should bring in Toll Roads...Pay for the carbon. Bring back the horse.

[ItsaZappathing]

Without wanting to be critical - who is wasting money? The Council..........and in what way? Am interested because if there are significant amounts being wasted, I'd like to know.

You wanna know..I shall tell you what I have seen in my area alone...
Over 500 plants planted on a hill. Tractor comes along when the grass is long around the plants and mows them all down. Now just waste land that has attracted 4x4 vehicles.
Plants planted (over 100) planted all along an industrial estate only to be uncared for and over taken with weeds. Then to be raked out along with all the litter.
Block paving put all around an industrial estate. Nearly every corner theres block paving missing due to heavy vehicle use.
Tarmacing over every single sewer grid in the road.
A building that housed "naughty boys" have secure fencing erected. A full operating top cctv system installed and also a dental room. Only to close a week later.
A whole new road laid only to be dug up a week later all the way along for pipes they forgot.

So theres a few things I have noticed... am sure if you look to you'll see plenty of money that's been wasted and should and could of gone to better things.

[John Doh]

Hows about >> This (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2010/07/20/liverpool-council-give-extra-300-000-to-pay-for-shanghai-expo-finale-92534-26887642/) for starters...

No, not at all! - That's what I call an investment. - In a few years we'll all be glad that someone was far-sighted enough to recognise that to build on our twinned status with Shanghai was a brilliant stroke in bringing us much needed trade. It was interesting, I thought, to hear the speeches from the Shanghai city fathers: they clearly regarded Liverpool as a high status city, representing Britain in the absence of London... Anyway, best get on board now, as that's where our future lies!

[lindylou]

Gerard, I think it's a good a thing - investment for our city.
I go along with Joe here (from your link) -- ' .. council leader Joe Anderson said: “At the end of the Expo, 750,000 people will have visited the Liverpool pavilion. It was decided well before the elections that we would support the Expo and try to bring investment here.'

“We cannot put the city on hold. This is about portraying to the rest of the world that our city is open for business and we want you to invest and visit.”


We gotta' promote oursleves haven't we ??
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You wanna know..I shall tell you what I have seen in my area alone...
Over 500 plants planted on a hill. Tractor comes along when the grass is long around the plants and mows them all down. Now just waste land that has attracted 4x4 vehicles.
Plants planted (over 100) planted all along an industrial estate only to be uncared for and over taken with weeds. Then to be raked out along with all the litter.
Block paving put all around an industrial estate. Nearly every corner theres block paving missing due to heavy vehicle use.
Tarmacing over every single sewer grid in the road.
A building that housed "naughty boys" have secure fencing erected. A full operating top cctv system installed and also a dental room. Only to close a week later.
A whole new road laid only to be dug up a week later all the way along for pipes they forgot.

So theres a few things I have noticed... am sure if you look to you'll see plenty of money that's been wasted and should and could of gone to better things.


That's bad and a terrible waste of resources and money. :(

[Gerard Fleming]

Gerard, I think it's a good a thing - investment for our city....


If...and When Linda, I see the good that came out of that I might agree..until then I will remain very sceptical about it and consider it a waste of money....when Liverpool starts benefiting from it I will say it was worthwhile...and not before..




We gotta' promote oursleves haven't we ?...


Have we ?.. I'm sure theres better ways Linda than sending a bunch of has beens and no marks on a free jolly at my expense.....

[burkhilly]

Thanks for your answer Zaps - but aren't all the housing stock managed by housing co-operatives rather than the council?

I went to the demo today and something stuck in my head - local authorities register births and they register deaths...........that says it all. As for people who say they don't use the services, how? Pavements, roads, street lighting, bins to name a few. I'm really concerned about our services, because contrary to what some of the media are reporting - the cuts are savage, particularly for the vulnerable. Liverpool's funding as been substantially reduced by this government - they do not give a toss about the working class.

.........................and don't even start me on the NHS!

[ItsaZappathing]

Thanks for your answer Zaps - but aren't all the housing stock managed by housing co-operatives rather than the council?


No, this was all council services. I also forgot to mention....
They planted 500 or more "boxus" shrubs along a disused factory. Along with 15 lovely trees. A week later the tree's and all the boxus shrubs where dug up and put in a skip. The tree's where not even lifted out and replanted. They had been cut and dug up. Now that was such a big waste of miney. I would love to see the person who does all this planning...They must be living on another planet!!!

[GeorgePorgie]

We also must not forget the classic pavement flags.

The flaggers when laying flags in districts outside the town center don't do the job properly and this then leads to a claim for injuries,had the flaggers done the job poperly then there would be no need for a return to set it right after a claiment payout.

[ItsaZappathing]

We also must not forget the classic pavement flags.

The flaggers when laying flags in districts outside the town center don't do the job properly and this then leads to a claim for injuries,had the flaggers done the job poperly then there would be no need for a return to set it right after a claiment payout.

I think they must have a shortage of good flaggers because by ours they fill a broken flag space with tarmac. :PDT10

[GeorgePorgie]

Lost contact with a mate of mine some years ago,anyway one day he broke his wrist on a job he was working on,couldn't claim on it as it was his fault...after a hosptial cast he came home and found a flag stone that had risen at the corrner....he won...the rest is history. :)

[underworld]

Lost contact with a mate of mine some years ago,anyway one day he broke his wrist on a job he was working on,couldn't claim on it as it was his fault...after a hosptial cast he came home and found a flag stone that had risen at the corrner....he won...the rest is history. :)

Well nows your chance to recover some of the waste that youre going on about and blow him up to the coppers and maybe save somebodys job in the council!

[Gerard Fleming]

Without wanting to be critical - who is wasting money? The Council..........and in what way? Am interested because if there are significant amounts being wasted, I'd like to know.

Maybe these photos might get a reply this time...
and maybe PhilipG who thanked you for the above post might like to comment...


Street lights on at mid day.. lamp on the right has 4 lights going..
a waste of Liverpool tax payers money...?
walk around the Islington and St Anne St areas.. you'll see more of these lit up at mid day....



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Lights on under the walkover... again at mid day..
more Liverpool tax payers money being wasted...



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/Walkover-lit-up.jpg

[lindylou]

Yes, that's a terrible waste Gerard. I've often seen lights burning away in full daylight.

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.. I'm sure theres better ways Linda than sending a bunch of has beens and no marks on a free jolly at my expense.....


:lol: just laughing at the idea of the has beens and no marks :D

I know what you mean Gerard. it does seem that way :) .. it does seem a terrific outlay of tax payers money, but it's good to see Liverpool being promoted. Perhaps there could be other ways as you say. But as we are twinned with Shanghai so we are bound to promote the city there.
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[ItsaZappathing]

Maybe these photos might get a reply this time...
and maybe PhilipG who thanked you for the above post might like to comment...


Well said and here here.:PDT11

[burkhilly]

I totally agree that lights shouldn't be on at mid-day - but once the bulbs have gone there'll no one to change them because there'll be no staff to do it, and that's the reality and the future.

The cuts are savage.................as I've said before Liverpool have lost significant funding. Based on what other local authorities received, we should have received 21 million pounds more...........but we've been shafted by the Tories, along with other Northern Working Class cities.

Anyone who beleives money is being wasted by Liverpool City Council should report it to their Councillor - because I would.

These cuts are only the beginning. Local authorities have been targetted, because so many people beleive that council workers are lazy - perhaps some are - but the majority are not lazy. The NHS is the next target along with the Police and Fire Brigade, all of which are public services.

[Gerard Fleming]

I totally agree that lights shouldn't be on at mid-day - but once the bulbs have gone there'll no one to change them because there'll be no staff to do it.....


Is that supposed to be a serious answer ?...'Once the bulbs have gone'..
sorry, but I cant stop laughing at that..
They're on...all day in places... and costing me a lot of money in council taxes to maintain..
and thats that... whatever way you want to dress it up..



..Anyone who beleives money is being wasted by Liverpool City Council should report it to their Councillor - because I would....


What is it you want before you get on to the council ?..
I've given you proof... you said you'd be unhappy if any was produced...
Need more before you get onto them ?

The Steble fountain at midnight...
on all night...which is a regular thing..
Use this by all means when you get on to the council...


http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/Steble-at-night.jpg

[Oudeis]

It so happens that councils buy their electricity year by year. Lights on, lights off: the council will pay the same money either way.
Plus.
Having them on all day gives the maintenance guys a chance of noticing where the duds are. :)

[Gerard Fleming]

It so happens that councils buy their electricity year by year. Lights on, lights off: the council will pay the same money either way.


... so if the council only used electricity at night would it conserve the unused daylight electricty enabling it to be used elsewhere.. ?
a yes or a no will do..


...Having them on all day gives the maintenance guys a chance of noticing where the duds are. :)


rubbish.... a lot of the maintenance go's on at night when the streets are empty..
and they are easier to notice not working at night...

[Oudeis]

No.
No.

[Gerard Fleming]

No.
No.




Are you saying if the country ran every street light 24 hours a day every day of the year
it would not drain our electricity resources...?
is that what you are saying... ?

a yes or a no will do...


.

[Norm NZ]

:):eek: "a yes or a no will do..." Either will give the same reply!!!

[John Doh]

Well, I intended this Thread to be all about the Cuts that the ConDems are imposing on us and whether we should be showing opposition to them. I can't really see the relevance of counting how many lights are left on here, there or anywhere - all of that is but a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of pounds that councils like Liverpool are being expected to shed from now on. OK, it shouldn't happen, but let's not be distracted from the real wastage... I don't suppose you got any pics of the tax evaders or the thieving bankers - that would require real skill! But in the meantime, I think this comes close:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtNwmXKIvM

Or maybe your harping on at the Corpy's deficiencies is a deliberate distraction from the wider issues, from an ulterior motive?!?! Again, this looks a bit like a hijacking to me...

[Gerard Fleming]

Back on topic...
pics of todays demo coming soon.

---------- Post added at 10:47 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:35 PM ----------


Well, I intended this Thread to be all about the Cuts that the ConDems are imposing on us and whether we should be showing opposition to them. I can't really see the relevance of counting how many lights are left on here, there or anywhere - all of that is but a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of pounds that councils like Liverpool are being expected to shed from now on. OK, it shouldn't happen, but let's not be distracted from the real wastage... I don't suppose you got any pics of the tax evaders or the thieving bankers - that would require real skill! But in the meantime, I think this comes close:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtNwmXKIvM

Or maybe your harping on at the Corpy's deficiencies is a deliberate distraction from the wider issues, from an ulterior motive?!?! Again, this looks a bit like a hijacking to me...



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Saturday night.... Stella time... :nod:

[pennylane]

Well, I intended this Thread to be all about the Cuts that the ConDems are imposing on us and whether we should be showing opposition to them. I can't really see the relevance of counting how many lights are left on here, there or anywhere - all of that is but a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of pounds that councils like Liverpool are being expected to shed from now on. OK, it shouldn't happen, but let's not be distracted from the real wastage... I don't suppose you got any pics of the tax evaders or the thieving bankers - that would require real skill! But in the meantime, I think this comes close:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtNwmXKIvM

Or maybe your harping on at the Corpy's deficiencies is a deliberate distraction from the wider issues, from an ulterior motive?!?! Again, this looks a bit like a hijacking to me...

I hear the marches in London today were quite successful . Billy Bragg said there was a lesson to be learned '' less kettling less violence''!! Billy accompanied the students on the march today . I'll post more later as his news comes onto his page .

[John Doh]

Please do! There was rather a poor turn out here - only in the hundreds rather than thousands and Joe Anderson got heckled a couple of times, as if he were the enemy rather than the ConDems. ( A bit like what's been happening on here!) I felt quite sorry for him!

[pennylane]

Poor Joe , but i guess peoples feelings are running high and they're looking for someone to take it out on . It's just awful when you look at say an individual person with a mortgage , a family , extortionate heating costs , rising food prices and petrol prices . Imagine their anxiety at pending redundancy ! It feels dark again like in the 80's to me . Personally i am for MASSIVE demo's , all out and stick together , but will we do this ? Do people still believe that solidarity can seize the day , or did thet leave us when Thatcher took a hatchet to the unions and sold off the public services to the private sector ??

[burkhilly]

There was a poor turnout in my view. About 500 according to the BBC website. People are just not understanding the gravity of the situation unfortunately. Joe Anderson was heckled as the Labour Leader of the Council because his cabinet is approving the cuts BUT he has no option as we cannot have another "Derek Hatton" situation in the city. It's only when things start to happen that people will understand how serious things are. One of the reasons I take such an interest is I know what some departments in the Council do - and I fear for the sections of community these departments support - children/disabled/elderly.

Take vulnerable children for instance. If a child is at risk of significant harm - should they be left with their parents? Given that children are only removed from their homes if the situation is absolutely dire, NO............but if they're removed who looks after them because the City needs to pay foster carers, because this is the only option. What if there's no money........well the kids are left in an unsafe situation. Will this be right? Will the next "baby Peter" case be Liverpool - I hope to God not.


To Gerard.............whilst I respect your opinion..........having worked in social services for 5 years I know how dedicated people are, how hard they work, going the extra mile for the vulnerable (children). I left social services 4 years ago because I couldn't cope with the ongoing stress of hearing about children being abused in one way or another.

[pennylane]

Again Burkhilly i agree 100% with everything you have written here . Children and the vunerable are the ones who will suffer the most when cuts are made in that sector !!

Here's a quote from Billy Bragg : Billy Bragg .. the biggest enemy of those of us who want to make the world a better place is cynicism - our own! You have to fight the notion that no one else cares because that's what Rupert Murdoch and his friends in the right wing media want you to think. Millions do care and soon their time will come to express themselves.....

[Gerard Fleming]

....To Gerard.............whilst I respect your opinion.....


What opinion.?...I never gave one.
I gave you the proof you asked for of the council wasting money.

Maybe you... or anybody else on here,
would care to answer the question I asked Ouedis that he wont answer

which is...
If The country ran every street light 24 hours a day every day of the year..
would it drain this countrys electricity supply ?

Simple enough question, dont you think ?




....having worked in social services for 5 years I know how dedicated people are, how hard they work, going the extra mile for the vulnerable (children)....


you could have worked there for 35 years..
whats it got to do with the Liverpool council wasting money
by leaving street lights on all day..
and water fountains running all night...?

[pennylane]

The answer is of course YES , it would be a huge drain on an already over used resource !! Have you ever heard of 'Earth hour' ? It's a global campaign where we are encouraged to switch of the lights and other appliances for one hour .. This is to save energy .. ENGERY being the operative word , and not council cuts ..

So Gerard , if you would be so kind as to en 'lighten' us on just how much money the council will actually save by conserving energy , then perhaps we could pass it on to these councillors , who could then pass on their savings into other sectors , such as looking after the vulnerable in our communities ..

[John Doh]

From the BBC website:
Hundreds of people marched through Liverpool in protest against plans to cut 1,500 jobs at the city council.
The Labour-run authority said it needed to save £141m over the next three years, including £91m in 2011-12, because of government spending cuts.
Leader Joe Anderson joined the march to show solidarity with those affected but faced chants and was confronted by at least one protester.
"I can understand why people are angry," he told the BBC.
"People are angry because jobs are being shed, services are being reduced. From my point of view it's quite simple - somebody's got to manage the council and that's what I intend to do," he said.
"But the fact of the matter is that we've got no choice but to do what we are doing.
"I'm a trade unionist, I'm a socialist, I've been one all my life and as far as I'm concerned I share people's pain and I share their anger."
Protesters gathered at St George's Hall before marching through the streets of the city.

@GF: I did try to point out above that the cost of leaving a few lights on at night on public monuments was such a drop in the ocean compared to the massive Government cuts being imposed that it is largely irrelevant to what this Thread is all about. You chose to ignore this. Does this mean you don't believe it? I think the onus was on you to respond to my point. Your determination to dwell on this relatively insignificant issue looks like a deliberate attempt to lead this Thread off-topic -- and doing so in an unnecessarily belligerent manner that is unlikely to win you much support.

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