Eldon Grove...What A Waste

[Spike]

Went past the Eldon Grove flats on saturday with 3 other Yo members. As the gate was open we went inside for a few pics.

It is so sad to see such a wonderful building in this sorry state. A large section of the roof is fire damaged. Most windows are broken. Such a shame. Now it seems not to be locked up the damage may get worse.

[Spike]

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[Ged]

Belter photos Spike. It's such a shame that these will probably end up becoming so dilapidated as to do anything with them.

[Spike]

Mart took some pics. He may post them up.

[Ged]

Here's an earlier thread on them too:

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?3892-Eldon-Grove-Housing&highlight=eldon+grove


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[Spike]

Cheers Ged

I could not find it Ha Ha

[GeorgePorgie]

As much as I also hate period properties being demolished we have to be realist here and say that it would cost too much to bring it back to its former glory,if the building was profitable if done up then fine but if there's no profit to be made on it then knock it down...sorry but its like having a car thats 90 rusted its pointless spending good dosh on it.

[Gerard Fleming]

As much as I also hate period properties being demolished we have to be realist here and say that it would cost too much to bring it back to its former glory,if the building was profitable if done up then fine but if there's no profit to be made on it then knock it down...sorry but its like having a car thats 90 rusted its pointless spending good dosh on it.

Knock Eldon Grove down ?....
thats it... I've heard the lot now.....:badgrin:


Its a good job people never had them views when the Albert Dock was in a worse state than Eldon Grove full of holes due to bomb damage...

[burkhilly]

Great pictures Spike. I thought Eldon Grove was being refurbished. Looking at those pictures it looks like this was started at sometime, and then left. The building will be left to rot now, given the current economic crisis.

[lindylou]

I can't understand why it was left to get in such a state. It should have been refurbished long ago. It would be a lovely building done up to it's former glory.

[John Doh]

Great pictures Spike. I thought Eldon Grove was being refurbished. Looking at those pictures it looks like this was started at sometime, and then left. The building will be left to rot now, given the current economic crisis.

No, not necessarily, BH! We're all in the Big Society now! We don't have to wait for 'them' to do stuff for us any more! We're all going to rush over there and offer our services as volunteers, aren't we?... Aren't we? Well, you see, central government might just be so impressed with our efforts that they'll cough up lots of lovely money, won't they? Why doesn't anyone believe this???

[PhilipG]

Knock Eldon Grove down ?....
thats it... I've heard the lot now.....:badgrin:


Its a good job people never had them views when the Albert Dock was in a worse state than Eldon Grove full of holes due to bomb damage...


It's hard to believe but Eldon Grove isn't Listed.
One of the lamp-posts is.

Albert Dock.
Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
"Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."

[wsteve55]

They have been modernised,in the past,as I was offered a flat there in the early 80's!I was warned off by the caretaker,who said he was too frightened to stay in his own flat,overnight!!!!!

[georgie t]

great pics i may have a look at this sometime this week

[Ged]

As the last surviving (just about) of their type - and there were quite a few in Vauxhall, Everton and Dingle. The council should try and save these. A developer did get the top block sorted but I think he was relying on the sale of his showflat to continue the project but I suspect that living on a building site might have been one reason for putting of prospective buyers.

The flats were sadly set alight on 27th September last year and my nephew took these photos.

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[Gerard Fleming]

.....Albert Dock.
Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
"Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."


From page 104 where Sharples also mentions...?

"The dock was initially a great success, specializing (with a Z) in the Far East trade..." blah blah blahhh...

I'm well aware of what Sharples says thanks, I've got the book.

[hmtmaj]

It's hard to believe but Eldon Grove isn't Listed.
One of the lamp-posts is.

Albert Dock.
Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
"Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."

I ain't got that book Philip, so thanks for posting :PDT11

[PhilipG]

I ain't got that book Philip, so thanks for posting :PDT11

You're welcome, Martin. :PDT11

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3069/2925018398_5661c3f222_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/2925018398/)
Listed lampost ?
Took pics in 2008 when quite a lot of work had been done on refurbishing, new p v c windows etc. it appears they run out of money
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/2925017018_fdbc255aa3_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/2925017018/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3110/2924167625_3dac3ba232_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/2924167625/)

[hmtmaj]

I think there's one the other end too

Mart

[Ged]

Hi Mart. I think the one in Joe's first pic is Limekiln Lane end then the one in the last pic is Titchfield st end.

[PhilipG]

It's the one at Limekiln Lane that's Listed, although they both seem in the same condition to me.

Perhaps English Heritage sent the same blind person who turned down the Bedford Cinema. :PDT10

[Spike]

The Lamp post

[Spike]

2 pics from 1913. What a gem this is, it needs saving.

Spot the Lamp post in the pic.

[marky]

A few Grade II structures are recorded under Bevington Street:
West Block and attached railings.
Central Block and attached railings
Eastern Block and attached railings
Bevington Street / Limekiln Lane Railings and piers to Bevington St. Recreation Ground.

Limekiln Lane (w side), street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington St.
Titchfield Street, street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington Street
The lamps were listed before the buildings. (1975 Vs 1993).

Part of the listing for the West Block states "forms a group with the railings to the recreation ground and lamp standards."

Edit: Just noticed Spikes pictures above...that looks like a rare drinking fountain/lamp combination. The Listing does mention this:
"Cast iron. Large and high square plinth with Greek key ornament, and formerly with drinking fountain on 2 sides. Lamp stands above this high plinth, with splayed base ornamented with foliage pattern and with corner feet: fluted high columns with two ornamented arms holding lamp. Now in front of tarmac play area, with similar lamp at opposite side (see Titchfield Street)"

[Spike]

Nice pics Joe and Ged.

Shame it get set on fire.

[PhilipG]

A few Grade II structures are recorded under Bevington Street:
West Block and attached railings.
Central Block and attached railings
Eastern Block and attached railings
Bevington Street / Limekiln Lane Railings and piers to Bevington St. Recreation Ground.

Limekiln Lane (w side), street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington St.
Titchfield Street, street lamp between Eldon Grove and Bevington Street
The lamps were listed before the buildings. (1975 Vs 1993).

Part of the listing for the West Block states "forms a group with the railings to the recreation ground and lamp standards."

Edit: Just noticed Spikes pictures above...that looks like a rare drinking fountain/lamp combination. The Listing does mention this:
"Cast iron. Large and high square plinth with Greek key ornament, and formerly with drinking fountain on 2 sides. Lamp stands above this high plinth, with splayed base ornamented with foliage pattern and with corner feet: fluted high columns with two ornamented arms holding lamp. Now in front of tarmac play area, with similar lamp at opposite side (see Titchfield Street)"


Thanks, Marky.
I must have seen the old list.
You're always better than me at finding information. :PDT11

[marky]

I did wonder why 'Eldon Grove' doesn't appear...it doesn't seem to exist as an address. It's not on Google maps.

[Spike]

Try Eldon Place as it sometimes comes under that name.

[Ged]

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The bandstands pictured between 1910 and 1914.

[Spike]

Brilliant Pics

[ItsaZappathing]

Brilliant Pics

Excellent even:PDT11

[Rhoobarb]

NIce one thanks. Lovely pics.

[PhilipG]

There's some great photos in this thread. :handclap:
From all different periods.
I snapped it in the 1980s (I think) when it was occupied by students, but I can't find them at the moment.

[hmtmaj]

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The bandstands pictured between 1910 and 1914.

How good are these pics, along with the more recent ones.
I do like this place and its a shame its gone to wrack and ruin.

George, don't reply as I know what you are going to say :PDT_Xtremez_12:

[Spike]

There's some great photos in this thread. :handclap:
From all different periods.
I snapped it in the 1980s (I think) when it was occupied by students, but I can't find them at the moment.

Ooooh I hope you can find them. They will be good to see.

Its good seeing so much interest in the building.

[GeorgePorgie]

I snapped it in the 1980s (I think) when it was occupied by students, but I can't find them at the moment.

Why do you need to find the students :D

[ItsaZappathing]

Why do you need to find the students :D

:handclap: Haha.:handclap:

[Spike]

Why do you need to find the students :D

They owe him rent ya loon

[PhilipG]

Ooooh I hope you can find them. They will be good to see.

Its good seeing so much interest in the building.

I've got a shoe-box full of 1980s photos, and it's not in that (neither are the students, George).
Will carry on looking.

Here's one from 2007, when it all looked promising.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/818723922/

[JMLE]

Anyone off here?


TWO men were rescued by firefighters after a block of flats went up in flames.

The pair, both aged 50, were inside the derelict block on Eldon Grove, Vauxhall, when the fire broke out at around 3.45pm today (Saturday).

Firefighters pulled the pair to safety before they were treated at the scene for smoke inhalation.

Both men were taken to the Royal Hospital to be checked over by doctors


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news//tm_headline=firefighters-rescue-pair-from-burning-building%26method=full%26objectid=28079565%26sitei d=100252-name_page.html

[Spike]

Bloomin Eck.

That sounds bad. I hope they are ok and it was nobody off here.

these fires will probably mean the end for this great building I fear.

[burkhilly]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news//tm_headline=firefighters-rescue-pair-from-burning-building%26method=full%26objectid=28079565%26sitei d=100252-name_page.html


On the Echo website - flat in Eldon Grove - not clear which flats.

[NhocCuteGirlUK]

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[JMLE]

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[georgie t]

heres a pic i took when i visited, didnt really come out very good

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/S0027810_2_1_tonemapped.jpg

[Spike]

I think its great Georgie :PDT11

[Gerard Fleming]

I have'nt seen many better..
great pic georgie.. love the treatment.

[PhilipG]

June 1986.

When students were living there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/5400888335/sizes/l/

[Spike]

June 1986.

When students were living there.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/5400888335/sizes/l/

Superb Photo.

How can it go from that to how it is now?

[georgie t]

heres a few pics of when me and 2 m8s explored this place ill add them on here if its alright rather than starting a report thread

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7796.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7800.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7801.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7799.jpg

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http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7872.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7869.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7828.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7856.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7827.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7825.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7841.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7836.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7879.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7905.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7906.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/people%20shots/DSCF7881.jpg

ive got to say this was a top place i really enjoyed it ,i only hope it gets saved its such a shame to see a place like this in such a state

[Spike]

Great pics Georgie.

I agree such a shame to see it like this.

[georgie t]

Great pics Georgie.

I agree such a shame to see it like this.

cheers m8 loved this place

[Spike]

cheers m8 loved this place

It is fantastic and full of history. Its gotta be saved.

[Kev]

Here's a similar thread, my pic was taken in 2003 I think: http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?3892-Eldon-Grove-Housing

[Spike]

Cheers Kev

Nice Photo.

[lindylou]

Those flats could be made lovely. So much potential there for some handsome apartments.

[Spike]

Anyone heard about this fire on saturday?

Is there much damage?

I hope it means the place gets secured up again.

[Ged]

I went on Sunday, it was locked up again. Looks like we made it just in time last week.

[Spike]

I went on Sunday, it was locked up again. Looks like we made it just in time last week.

Good. Im glad it is locked up now.

[georgie t]

2 exploreres went today and was first confronted by 2 youths...a while later 8 more turned up and literally chased them off calling them coppers?

speaking to another explorer he said he was also chased off this site a while bk ny some locals

when we was there the other day whilst outside taking externals 2 lads popped there heads over the fence from inside then disappeared?

i wonder why?

[PhilipG]

2 February 2011.

Showing damage from the latest fire:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/5409978223/sizes/l/

[ItsaZappathing]

2 exploreres went today and was first confronted by 2 youths...a while later 8 more turned up and literally chased them off calling them coppers?

speaking to another explorer he said he was also chased off this site a while bk ny some locals

when we was there the other day whilst outside taking externals 2 lads popped there heads over the fence from inside then disappeared?

i wonder why?

Maybe there's some dodgy dealings going on. Maybe also the explorers do happen to look like coppers.
Take a few knuckle heads with you next time maybe even a street wise kid.
Good luck:PDT11

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Great pics Georgie.

I agree such a shame to see it like this.

Ditto and ditto.:PDT11

[wsteve55]

2 exploreres went today and was first confronted by 2 youths...a while later 8 more turned up and literally chased them off calling them coppers?

speaking to another explorer he said he was also chased off this site a while bk ny some locals

when we was there the other day whilst outside taking externals 2 lads popped there heads over the fence from inside then disappeared?

i wonder why?

It's probably being used for all sorts of dodgy purposes, and you are stepping on "territory",as it were!

[Gerard Fleming]

It's probably being used for all sorts of dodgy purposes...

I live on the doorstep, I'm around there all the time taking photos...
I get on with the kids and they are all OK..I'll vouch for that personally.

The only things dodgy Ste going on in Eldon Grove are the gypsies arriving daily
(when the gates were open..) loading their wagons stealing the boilers and metal...
and the Polish imigramts in the flats stealing the copper cables...
I know..I saw it and walked up to them and took their photographs...
and I suspect it was these people cutting and burning power cables that caused the recent fire..


Maybe the people around there have had enough of Eldon Grove being invaded and robbed by outsiders..
Maybe the kids are trying to keep them out... and thats what I think for what its worth..




... and you are stepping on "territory",as it were!

100% spot on.... if I see macho men "explorers" in combat keks trying to look dead hard hanging around there I'll tell them where to go as well....

[Spike]

Nobody stopped us? But then again we were with one of the local hard nuts :unibrow:

A certain S.G.T Pepper :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Ged]

Ha ha I'm flattered but that i'm certainly not.

I lived on Burly for 5 years and my brother has done since 1988 having moved there with a lot of people from Vauxhall Gardens and I would like to think that these lads are just looking out for the place.

I really hope the council or someone rescues them.

[Spike]

Rescues the lads?

[georgie t]

I live on the doorstep, I'm around there all the time taking photos...
I get on with the kids and they are all OK..I'll vouch for that personally.

The only things dodgy Ste going on in Eldon Grove are the gypsies arriving daily
(when the gates were open..) loading their wagons stealing the boilers and metal...
and the Polish imigramts in the flats stealing the copper cables...
I know..I saw it and walked up to them and took their photographs...
and I suspect it was these people cutting and burning power cables that caused the recent fire..


Maybe the people around there have had enough of Eldon Grove being invaded and robbed by outsiders..
Maybe the kids are trying to keep them out... and thats what I think for what its worth..





100% spot on.... if I see macho men "explorers" in combat keks trying to look dead hard hanging around there I'll tell them where to go as well....

your talkin **** explorers dont wear combat keks or think there dead hard i do hope to bump into you though on my travels and see how hard you are

[John Doh]

I've not seen any gypsies at all; but I do know a few Poles that are dead hard - and might be inclined to make contact with you...

[Gerard Fleming]

your talkin **** explorers dont wear combat keks or think there dead hard i do hope to bump into you though on my travels and see how hard you are


I'm terrified mate... he who ran away from a few shouting kids is coming after me....

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If I dont answer posts by the way its because I cant see them..
I've a certain tosser on my ignore list..

[Spike]

Another thread getting ruined here. Pack it in please.

[ItsaZappathing]

Well I've said it before...
There's nowhere in this city I wouldn't go. Maybe because I am streetwise but maybe because I am awake and know "the score" as some say. Usually, I know someone who knows someone who knows me so most places I go I know people.
There's nowhere I wouldn't go and I certainly wouldn't run from a few kids. I know some people make themselves an easy looking target. Looking scared and weary. That's some peoples problem. It's like dogs, you either can face them or you can't and walk all around the place to avoid one. Not good

[PhilipG]

Another thread getting ruined here. Pack it in please.,

Hopefully we won't lose the whole thread, as most people have gone to some trouble to make it interesting.

[ItsaZappathing]

Another thread getting ruined here. Pack it in please.

Hopefully not mate. Just get rid of the creep who keeps popping in now and again....yeah the know all, and all will be good. :D

[Gerard Fleming]

Well I've said it before...
There's nowhere in this city I wouldn't go. Maybe because I am streetwise but maybe because I am awake and know "the score" as some say. Usually, I know someone who knows someone who knows me so most places I go I know people.
There's nowhere I wouldn't go and I certainly wouldn't run from a few kids. I know some people make themselves an easy looking target. Looking scared and weary. That's some peoples problem. It's like dogs, you either can face them or you can't and walk all around the place to avoid one. Not good



I know everyone John around Liverpool...
and I mean everyone mate....
inc the "Heads" I've seen mentioned on here...
my mates of old..my drinking buddies to this day..


If divvie beauts want to have a go at me then I'd prefer they looked at my name...
and me saying I live on Eldon Grove doorstep....
easy enough to find, are'nt I ?... along with my sons who'd be interested in all this..



and that go's for the gobsh ite who's on my ignore list...
the shi t stirrer who just wont let it go...
got anything to say to me John Doh.... get in touch..
or f*** off and keep your big mouth shut..

[georgie t]

i didnt start anything here im just defending them uneducated comments im not arsed who people can get who are hard i can get nasty peopld if you wanna go down that route at the end of the day that poor guy is just jealous because explorers take better pictures than the ones he takes

[Gerard Fleming]

i didnt start anything here im just defending them uneducated comments im not arsed who people can get who are hard i can get nasty peopld if you wanna go down that route at the end of the day that poor guy is just jealous because explorers take better pictures than the ones he takes


You did.... you mentioned Eldon Grove kids and gave the impression they were up to no good...

I'm saying they are looking after their neighbourhood in seeing off people like you...
strangers... mooching around.


FFS mate... dont you start about photographs...!

[ItsaZappathing]

Went past the Eldon Grove flats on saturday with 3 other Yo members. As the gate was open we went inside for a few pics.

It is so sad to see such a wonderful building in this sorry state. A large section of the roof is fire damaged. Most windows are broken. Such a shame. Now it seems not to be locked up the damage may get worse.

And just to keep it on track...

[Gerard Fleming]

Right...georgie t....

the Macho keks bit was a wind up....sorry if it upset you..

Move on...OK...yes. ?

[wsteve55]

I lived in Eldon st. for 5 years ('91 to '96) and though there were problems with the flats,caused by outsiders,it wasn't always!! I dont know who's responsible for the management of these,but I can't see why they've been allowed to get into such a state, as they were fitted out inside,to a fairly good standard!

[georgie t]

you was being the the big man sayin we think were dead hard were not the ones who burn these places down nor do we steal lead or vandalise we document for future generations to see your comments are simply uneducated i couldnt 4ve a toss what your name is or about the kids of that eldon grove by the way they wernt kids who chased the others

[Gerard Fleming]

you was being the the big man sayin we think were dead hard were not the ones who burn these places down nor do we steal lead or vandalise we document for future generations to see your comments are simply uneducated i couldnt 4ve a toss what your name is or about the kids of that eldon grove by the way they wernt kids who chased the others


I've given you an apology....do you accept it..?

[lindylou]

Who were these lads then and what is their problem ? ?
As I see it, no one has a right to chase anyone off from anywhere unless it's property belonging to them. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/avatars/e20301.gif - it's not their private property is it ??

[georgie t]

Who were these lads then and what is their problem ? ?
As I see it, no one has a right to chase anyone off from anywhere unless it's property belonging to them. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/avatars/e20301.gif - it's not their private property is it ??

good point they have as much right as we have of being there which is none they asked the others if they was the police and then just continued to call them plod....what for i dont know

[Gerard Fleming]

Who were these lads then and what is their problem ? ?


They are local people Linda.. and their problem is they are fed up with people entering Eldon Grove dwellings and stealing everything out of there....the gates were left wide open and wagons were loading up stealing what they could...stripping the flats of the electricity cables for the copper as well....



As I see it, no one has a right to chase anyone off from anywhere....


I disagree with you Linda... the police never gave a toss, I saw these pick up trucks coming and going all day taking what they wanted...


The Council never gave a toss.. the gates were wide open for about a week and thats how this came about..



- it's not their private property is it ??..


No its not Linda... they just happen to live in the surrounding streets and were probably fed up with nobody doing anything about whet I mentioned above...

If all this happened on your doorstep Linda would you chase people you thought were up to no good ?..
I think you would... I know I would..

george t by the way has not been accused of anything...
he comes into the category above of local people not knowing who is up to what...

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good point they have as much right as we have of being there which is none they asked the others if they was the police and then just continued to call them plod....what for i dont know

I take it you dont accept my apology ?... fine.



you was being the the big man sayin we think were dead hard were not the ones who burn these places down nor do we steal lead or vandalise we document for future generations to see your comments are simply uneducated i couldnt 4ve a toss what your name is or about the kids of that eldon grove by the way they wernt kids who chased the others


I'm uneducated ?...my grammar may not be the best but what is that lot above ?
should'nt there be a few punctuation marks here and there ?



......were not the ones who vandalise


Wrong... I know for a fact it was "explorers" who kicked open the door of the Jesse Hartley dockers clock...

and kicked in the old dock building windows next to it to get access..
I know the "explorer" who did that....


Dont ask me to name him, I wont.... visit other Liverpool chatrooms and you will see his photos inside the places I mention.

[lindylou]

They are local people Linda.. and their problem is they are fed up with people entering Eldon Grove dwellings and stealing everything out of there....the gates were left wide open and wagons were loading up stealing what they could...stripping the flats of the electricity cables for the copper as well....

I saw these pick up trucks coming and going all day taking what they wanted...
















Well, I agree that's wrong - people just walking in and stripping out what they want - it's a dam-n cheek. :angry:
It's a shame that those flats have been left to the mercy of any Tom Dick & Harry taking what they want. Of course people would get very angry about that. It's a pity there wasn't some kind of security guarding the place.
But surely it's ok for people to take some photos ??
It all sounds a bit territorial and would make me think twice about going near there with my camera :shock:




an afterthought .. ..

ha, I just had a funny thought .. of me armed with my camera and wearing me combat cropped pants http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/avatars/hysterical.gif

[Gerard Fleming]

Well, I agree that's wrong - people just walking in and stripping out what they want - it's a dam-n cheek. :angry:
It's a shame that those flats have been left to the mercy of any Tom Dick & Harry taking what they want. Of course people would get very angry about that. It's a pity there wasn't some kind of security guarding the place.
But surely it's ok for people to take some photos ??
It all sounds a bit territorial and would make me think twice about going near there with my camera :shock:



I come and go when I want Linda... I take pics there regularly and have never had a problem..
just like others on here that have been there several times and had no problem..


not that I expect a certain person to come out and back me up on that...
that would be asking too much..

I find in life Linda people treat you like you treat them...
as I say.... the kids in that area are good kids.
and the older people as well

You can take that from me...
they are doing what people would do in any area.

[PhilipG]

Well, I agree that's wrong - people just walking in and stripping out what they want - it's a dam-n cheek. :angry:
It's a shame that those flats have been left to the mercy of any Tom Dick & Harry taking what they want. Of course people would get very angry about that. It's a pity there wasn't some kind of security guarding the place.
But surely it's ok for people to take some photos ??
It all sounds a bit territorial and would make me think twice about going near there with my camera :shock:




an afterthought .. ..

ha, I just had a funny thought .. of me armed with my camera and wearing me combat cropped pants http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/rubinda/avatars/hysterical.gif


All I saw yesterday was the binmen!

However, a fortnight ago, somebody smelling of drink asked to look at my photos.
I just knew he wanted to grab my camera.

[georgie t]

like i said we are not the ones who vandalise but i do know of other explorers who have been that desperate to get in somewhere that they have broken down doors to gain access but i never have and have people to vouch for that ..you dont have to name any names i already know who it is who kicked the door in but its been kicked in loads of times after that as far as i know its now locked i video all my access into places on my headcam just incase anyone including police turn up and say we have broke in ...the camera never lies

as regards to the grammer yehh its a bit messed up but it was typed on my phone and not the best for the internet

[Gerard Fleming]

...However, a fortnight ago, somebody smelling of drink asked to look at my photos...

Thats that then..... everybody whos had a drink is after your camera...


I just knew he wanted to grab my camera.


You mean you actually walked out of that quiet unpoliced area away from this person that was that close to you you could smell the drink... and walked away with your camera still in your posession... ?

and you just knew this person was going to grab it...?
a person who knows the area as he was walking past you..?
a person that could have grabbed your camera knowing he could get away
down one of the streets to his house or a house of friends...?

And this person knowing all this in a very quiet area that you knew wanted your camera
just let you walk away with it ?


Wow... what a lucky escape..!

[ItsaZappathing]

Thats that then..... everybody whos had a drink is after your camera...




You mean you actually walked out of that quiet unpoliced area away from this person that was that close to you you could smell the drink... and walked away with your camera still in your posession... ?

and you just knew this person was going to grab it...?
a person who knows the area as he was walking past you..?
a person that could have grabbed your camera knowing he could get away
down one of the streets to his house or a house of friends...?

And this person knowing all this in a very quiet area that you knew wanted your camera
just let you walk away with it ?


Wow... what a lucky escape..!

Wow...amazing...what a hero. PMSL.
Sniff up...smell that...smells like Bull**** to me:PDT10

[PhilipG]

Thats that then..... everybody whos had a drink is after your camera...




You mean you actually walked out of that quiet unpoliced area away from this person that was that close to you you could smell the drink... and walked away with your camera still in your posession... ?

and you just knew this person was going to grab it...?
a person who knows the area as he was walking past you..?
a person that could have grabbed your camera knowing he could get away
down one of the streets to his house or a house of friends...?

And this person knowing all this in a very quiet area that you knew wanted your camera
just let you walk away with it ?


Wow... what a lucky escape..!



Thank you for your reply.

[Gerard Fleming]

Wow...amazing...what a hero. PMSL.
Sniff up...smell that...smells like Bull**** to me:PDT10



Sniff up !!!..


Ha haaaaaaa.... love it John....ohhhhhhhhhh my aching sides...pmsl..:celb (6):

[John Doh]

What puzzles me is why a person who apparently cares so passionately about the waste of resources, whether related to energy use, theft from property, or vandalism -- and who claims to have witnessed it going on for such a lengthy period, never actually got around to doing something about it. If I lived in the area where this kind of thing was happening, I would have got on to the Corpy within a day or two and demand that something were done. It doesn’t ring true somehow…

And why would that person feel the need to harangue anyone who doesn't automatically accept everything he says? It doesn't make for a good dialogue if members are expected to apologise to each other all the time. It seems fair enough to expect that people fall out from time to time, but this is at least the third time this particular kind of aggression has arisen on recent Threads involving this same member. I find it difficult to believe that he isn't looking for a fight. Maybe I'm alone in feeling this sense of disquiet... but at least I feel I can say this knowing that I won't be upsetting that person, given that he won't be reading this... I suppose that no-one else feels able to comment though?

[Ged]

I come and go when I want Linda... I take pics there regularly and have never had a problem..
just like others on here that have been there several times and had no problem..


not that I expect a certain person to come out and back me up on that...
that would be asking too much..

I find in life Linda people treat you like you treat them...
as I say.... the kids in that area are good kids.
and the older people as well

You can take that from me...
they are doing what people would do in any area.

If Gerard means me then in this instance I would have to say he is correct. I didn't expect any aggro when I and the others went there the other week and neither would I expect any aggro if I went there alone whether anyone I came across was known to me or not.

I've been approached when taking photos in Toxteth and the Dingle though and thought oh ho but all turned out to be ok and they we're genuinely interested that someone should be taking a photo of buildings they pass every day probably without giving them a second glance - except for a lad that shouted 'Hey don't be taking a photo of me' as he emerged from some flats when I would have had to have been physic to know he was going to emerge like that. :)

Personally, I thought the gates were open to Eldon Grove that Sunday because workmen were about somewhere. Someone, somewhere must have reported it then as they're locked again now.

I agree it all got a bit silly a few posts ago but a wind up was admitted and an apology given so as was said, let's move on.

[georgie t]

that was no wind up m8 he seems to have some issues with explorers just because i said something he didnt like in reply to his comment

[Ged]

Well I for one am glad of your photos on this thread.

[pennylane]

I feel dizzy and confused now ! What happened here ? Threats and testosterone flying everywhere , tag teams .. fights ....
It's ridiculous . People look in here as a point of reference for photos and stories such as this . Hey Kev i think the nasty comments and fighting need to disappear from this thread . It's an insult to the poster and to all of those who have made a positive contribution to it .

[John Doh]

that was no wind up m8 he seems to have some issues with explorers just because i said something he didnt like in reply to his comment

You shouldn't take it personally, or take it as a slight on explorers. We have a somewhat touchy member here who seems to be capable of picking several squabbles on a single Thread, all within the space of an hour or two. (See Post No.95). Trouble is, it usually results in the Thread being closed down and the contents lost, which is a shame. But I don't think the answer is to ingratiate ourselves with him; so long as nobody loses their temper we should be all right to say what we think.

[georgie t]

You shouldn't take it personally, or take it as a slight on explorers. We have a somewhat touchy member here who seems to be capable of picking several squabbles on a single Thread, all within the space of an hour or two. (See Post No.95). Trouble is, it usually results in the Thread being closed down and the contents lost, which is a shame. But I don't think the answer is to ingratiate ourselves with him; so long as nobody loses their temper we should be all right to say what we think.

:handclap:

[pennylane]

You shouldn't take it personally, or take it as a slight on explorers. We have a somewhat touchy member here who seems to be capable of picking several squabbles on a single Thread, all within the space of an hour or two. (See Post No.95). Trouble is, it usually results in the Thread being closed down and the contents lost, which is a shame. But I don't think the answer is to ingratiate ourselves with him; so long as nobody loses their temper we should be all right to say what we think.

And here you are starting it up again ?
I'm sure that the men on here are quite capable of speaking up for themselves , they don't need a shop Stewart !
Again this site is run and owned by Kev , who incidentally Kev , it would be nice if you were to intervene now and again by way of moderation .

[Kev]

And here you are starting it up again ?
I'm sure that the men on here are quite capable of speaking up for themselves , they don't need a shop Stewart !
Again this site is run and owned by Kev , who incidentally Kev , it would be nice if you were to intervene now and again by way of moderation .

Just a few things..........

1) I will do when I feel it's appropriate. I can pull a thread without warning and without explanation if I wish.
2) This isn't my full time job, although at times like this it surely feels like. It's just as stressfull.
3) My full time job is very time consuming and stressfull and takes up most of my time.
4) I have small children at home.

Yo! is a free site and will always remain that so long as people want it and use it for its intended purpose. Liverpool past, present and future. We may have a few blips along the way and have doine in the past but we always get through them because of the support of the community, ie you.

Here is a community that I set up selflessly with the aim of changing people's perceptions of Liverpool and Liverpool people. I can't underestimate its impact on the internet. Its been huge.

I dont visit any other Liverpool site but the feedback suggests, mine is propbably the most popular Liverpool website out there. It remains a free open resource that we all have contributed to in one way or another.

As posted on another thread, [plus if you want the site to have a future :( ] keep it polite/ friendly and keep it on topic.

Kev

Just to add also, Geogies pics are fab and I enjoy looking at them, many more do and long may they continue.....there are many many other people who contribute with pics too, I enjoy them all as do visitors and members. Let's not give them the wrong impression of our community!

[Gerard Fleming]

And here you are starting it up again ? ...

Thanks pennylane for saying that...
I see John Dohs comment on post 95 as soon as I come on here before logging on... what can In do ?..I've got him on ignore and I wont be repyling.... it seems to me that some people just dont want to move on, we've had our little wind ups, I've been guilty as much as anyone but isn't it about time this nut let it go... is this chap a bit retarded or something ?, he has this thing about highlighting what I keep saying and mention I'm looking for trouble.... he seems to be obsessed with me...(Jeassssssssus... I hope he's not one of them pimply faced 43 year old virgin internet dweeb mummys boy nutcases.....thats all I need, a weirdo on me case....)

Notice he likes pointing out a lot that I'm annoying people deliberately ?
.....anybody notice the silly games he is playing ?...whats all this about below...which I've ignored..let him get on with it, people are not stupid,
they can see who is trying, and who is here just to sh it stir...


Another sarcastic John Doh reply.. to my Luciana Berger photograph..
Doing well isn't he ?....
in playing his part in keeping all this going that we are all fed up with.
no mention of this though when he keeps going on about me..



...You mentioned Luciana Berger speach...
I can't actually hear any speech...



...Again this site is run and owned by Kev , who incidentally Kev , it would be nice if you were to intervene now and again by way of moderation .


I've complained to Kev about John Doh since he defaced my photograph and removed the copyright mark...
I'm sure Kev will eventually see John Doh now thinks he can say what he wants because he was allowed to deface my photograph and get away with it...

If he can deface peoples photos and get away with it then no wonder he has this untouchable feeling about himself..

[Ged]

I dont visit any other Liverpool site but the feedback suggests, mine is propbably the most popular Liverpool website out there. It remains a free open resource that we all have contributed to in one way or another.

As posted on another thread, [plus if you want the site to have a future :( ] keep it polite/ friendly and keep it on topic.

Kev

Just to add also, Geogies pics are fab and I enjoy looking at them, many more do and long may they continue.....there are many many other people who contribute with pics too, I enjoy them all as do visitors and members. Let's not give them the wrong impression of our community!

Hear hear and with 149 users currently on line - there were 480 at any one time one day last year and with 3738 visitors over a 24 hour period in the last 24 hours - there were 5044 over a 24 hour period 2 weeks ago, I think what you're saying bears truth.

[Spike]

This has been a great thread. A lot of people are interested in Eldon Grove. Some great pics and info being posted.

Lets keep it going gang.

[Gerard Fleming]

This has been a great thread. A lot of people are interested in Eldon Grove. Some great pics and info being posted.

Lets keep it going gang.


Nobody more than me.. I can assure you of that ..

And Nobody is doing more than me to make sure Eldon Grove will not be forgotten..
Eldon Grove is my heritage... the place my dad played as a boy...
next to the street where my dad was born..
It is over the road from where I live and it is steeped in my family history..

Edited... the place I played as well as a boy...
I played footy there plenty of times with my mates.

And... the area my grandad played as a boy..
he was born just off Eldon Grove as well.

I am the last person anywhere that would want to sabotage and ruin
a thread about Eldon Grove...

Eldon Grove is me... and my family before me.....





The arrow on the left points to the actual Dutch Cottage my dad was born in on Arley St in 1919..
my cous reckons it was in one of them right opposite The Non Pareil


My grandad, my dads dad, was born in Gildart Gardens where the other arrow is..


Thats just a small bit of info about my immediate family around Eldon Grove..
I had cousins who lived in the area.. I have cousins still in the immediate area..
and I had family that actually lived in Eldon Grove dwellings..

Me ruin a thread on Eldon Grove ?...
sorry, never in million years would I do that..



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/DutchCottagearrowed.jpg

[georgie t]

heres a few pics i thought id pop up after scanning an 1848 map i have showing bevington street as it was then before eldon grove was built

top right hand corner showing bevington street and etc etc
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/1.jpg


cropped down a bit
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/2.jpg

[Spike]

Cheers Georgie:PDT11

[John Doh]

And here you are starting it up again ?
I'm sure that the men on here are quite capable of speaking up for themselves , they don't need a shop Stewart !
Again this site is run and owned by Kev , who incidentally Kev , it would be nice if you were to intervene now and again by way of moderation .

Good to see you standing up for order and reason on this occasion, Pennylane!

I suspect, however, that you’ve arrived in the middle of the latest tantrum and have rather rushed to judgment here. Did you really work your way through all the stages of the escalation that went on here? - I can’t say I can really blame you if you didn’t though!

I certainly would accept that I am not best placed to play the role of peacemaker where this person is concerned, but I should like you and others to understand that my intervention was certainly not intended to ‘start it up again’, but rather to re-direct on to myself the free-flowing aggression that was already apparent and beginning to fasten on one convenient target after another. If you don’t believe me, just look at the record… unless it’s already been rewritten!

You must remember that on a previous but quite recent occasion, when I sat back and did nothing, two members were goaded into losing their tempers and replying in kind. By drawing the hostility on to myself, I believe a similar situation was avoided as I was determined not to be drawn into hostilities. As a result there was no need for the Thread to be pulled.

[Spike]

Lets get back to Eldon Grove.

from 2005

[Kev]

It's a bloody shame the way its been left. A work colleague of mine who lives oppposite says its always on fire!

Sent from the back of Michael Caine's Mini Cooper S, holding on for dear life......

[Ged]

I first remember it being on fire about 1995/6 when the students were in there. I lived in O'Connell Road then.

[Spike]

Few oldies

[Spike]

This historic building, which was officially opened by the Countess of Derby in 1912.

Eldon Grove Labourers Dwellings opened in June 1912 and was constructed in an attractive ‘Tudor’ style of brick walls and blue and grey slate roofs.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/eldonaug2004/index.html Some great pics here

:)

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3433774449_14c02407cb.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/3433774449/)
Summer Seat just around the corner from Eldon Grove,built in around the same time but in much better condition. This makes me believe people should never be housed in flats or tenaments.I speak from experience as I lived my first 20 years in one
Admittedly tenaments did produce good neighbours.

[Spike]

Summer Seat 2008 and 1910. Wonderful Houses.

[Spike]

Bevington Street ( Opposite Eldon Grove ) 2008 and 1913.

The one from the Landings of Eldon Grove was taken 2 weeks ago.

[Spike]

Street Signs.

[Ged]

The flats and houses are just on celebrating their centenary but I didn't hear of anything happening?

[Spike]

They should have a big party.

If Ron was still working Eh Ged.

[Ged]

That's true Spike, just look at the fantastic organising skills of commemorating the 70th Anniversary of the Blackstock St bombing - not.....

Still, it shouldn't take a person removed from the localised area to start the ball rolling should it?

Perhaps they've something lined up in the Silvestrian or Eldonian clubs - or a summer street party ala Silver Jubilee style in 77.

[John Doh]

It's hard to believe but Eldon Grove isn't Listed.
One of the lamp-posts is.

Albert Dock.
Joseph Sharples says on p104 in his book 'Liverpool':
"Demolition was a threat from 1960 as a myriad of development proposals came and went."

I thought I remembered seeing the Eldon Grove Labourers' Dwellings on some official list of Grade II-listed buildings... I don't think it was just lamp-posts that were being referred to! I've only just realised that's the full name of the housing scheme we're talking about on this Thread... But I suppose I must be mistaken, if there's talk of demolishing them?

On the other hand, it could well explain all those fires... accidental on purpose, I'm thinking? (Wouldn't be a first!)

[Spike]

That's true Spike, just look at the fantastic organising skills of commemorating the 70th Anniversary of the Blackstock St bombing - not.....

Still, it shouldn't take a person removed from the localised area to start the ball rolling should it?

Perhaps they've something lined up in the Silvestrian or Eldonian clubs - or a summer street party ala Silver Jubilee style in 77.

Would be good that Ged. I love street parties.

Ged its Summer Seat.

[Ged]

Yes, I meant a summer (ie June/July) street party - but I get your play on words - possibly a Summer Seat Summer Street party.

[Spike]

Summer Seat in the Heat.

Or not if June in Liverpool is anything to go by.

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/2721920241_9e08249513.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/2721920241/)
You would have to make sure you didn`t end up in Bootle,because they have a Summer Seat off Strand Rd

[Spike]

Imagine turning up their in Bootle in 1912 clothes. :Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

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Wonder where the name SUMMER SEAT comes from?

[Ged]

Imagine turning up their in Bootle in 1912 clothes. :Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13[COLOR="Silver"]

Have you never seen what Scouse Smurf wears? :)

[lindylou]

if there's talk of demolishing them?

On the other hand, it could well explain all those fires... accidental on purpose, I'm thinking? (Wouldn't be a first!)

isn't that what happened with Thingwall house ? It was 'purposely' left to rot at the mercy of vandalism and arson.

---------- Post added at 05:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:09 PM ----------


Imagine turning up their in Bootle in 1912 clothes. :Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

---------- Post added at 03:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:28 PM ----------

Wonder where the name SUMMER SEAT comes from?

It's a name that fascinates me because Summer Seat makes you think of some rural idyllic setting surrounded by flowering shrubs and singing birds ! ha! :)

When you come to think about it, there are probably lot's of names around like that - names of places that look nothing like how they sound :)

[Spike]

Im sure the area was some posh garden where the snobs went way back when. Long before the houses came.

[gregs dad]

Do you think the name comes from Springfield ?

[lindylou]

Im sure the area was some posh garden where the snobs went way back when. Long before the houses came.

It's true. I've read that the steep hill of Everton and down into Kirkdale, and heading across towards Bootle was a place where the upper classes would walk to take in the fresh sea air and admire the views over the river. The area was a kind of rural retreat in days gone by.

[hmtmaj]

Some pics when the gates were open and nobody around.

The panoramic one went a bit squewiff ! !

Mart

[John Doh]

isn't that what happened with Thingwall house ? It was 'purposely' left to rot at the mercy of vandalism and arson"

Spot on Lindy! Ken Dodd even predicted it would be burnt down - because he knew that property developers were interested... And so it came to pass... And there are so many other examples...

---------- Post added at 10:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:01 PM ----------


It's true. I've read that the steep hill of Everton and down into Kirkdale, and heading across towards Bootle was a place where the upper classes would walk to take in the fresh sea air and admire the views over the river. The area was a kind of rural retreat in days gone by.

So, who reclaimed it for the 'labouring classes'? It does look a bit like the Port Sunlight housing erected by Lord Leverhulme for his soap workers. But who would be the enlightened philanthropist in this instance? -- I see there was a bottle factory nearby (Shades of Beryl Bainbridge?) ... but would that have been important enough to have had the funding for such a venture?... Anyone know?

[wsteve55]

Spot on Lindy! Ken Dodd even predicted it would be burnt down - because he knew that property developers were interested... And so it came to pass... And there are so many other examples...

---------- Post added at 10:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:01 PM ----------



So, who reclaimed it for the 'labouring classes'? It does look a bit like the Port Sunlight housing erected by Lord Leverhulme for his soap workers. But who would be the enlightened philanthropist in this instance? -- I see there was a bottle factory nearby (Shades of Beryl Bainbridge?) ... but would that have been important enough to have had the funding for such a venture?... Anyone know?

I'd guess it was just a natural development, as the city expanded. The better off, moved further away from the growing industry, and their place was taken by the working classes. The development of social housing,like Eldon place,was pioneered by Liverpool, though this is later than St.Martins cottages,which were the first!

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Some pics when the gates were open and nobody around.

The panoramic one went a bit squewiff ! !

Mart

Apparently, I used to get wheeled up there,in my pram,and parked up,while my older brother played footy!!:202:

[wherever i may roam]

I live on the doorstep, I'm around there all the time taking photos...
I get on with the kids and they are all OK..I'll vouch for that personally.

The only things dodgy Ste going on in Eldon Grove are the gypsies arriving daily
(when the gates were open..) loading their wagons stealing the boilers and metal...
and the Polish imigramts in the flats stealing the copper cables...
I know..I saw it and walked up to them and took their photographs...
and I suspect it was these people cutting and burning power cables that caused the recent fire..


Maybe the people around there have had enough of Eldon Grove being invaded and robbed by outsiders..
Maybe the kids are trying to keep them out... and thats what I think for what its worth..





100% spot on.... if I see macho men "explorers" in combat keks trying to look dead hard hanging around there I'll tell them where to go as well....

I was 1 of them explorer's confronted by say 8 black tracksuit clad scum, aged between say 16-18 the other day mate,they spotted us going in & at 1st,they thought we were coppers with the trying to be funny comments of "what yer doing there copper??" then when the penny dropped which was after 5 mins because we all know how thick the black tracky scum can be & they tried to tax us...

We made our way around to the front of the building to which a few minutes later the clad followed us in,at this point i thought sod it,it's not worth the hassle,we got out but still the gang continued to follow us all the way to Grt Homer St then we lost em..

I am not what you said,this so called "macho men "explorers" in combat keks trying to look dead hard hanging around" i was simply trying to document the place by simply takin photographs like other's before me have & you have also done yourself ...

I have been a explorer for a few years now & really enjoy it,i do not break into buildings or steal from buildings,i simply just take pics & leave. I feel documentation is important esp when a building has been closed for a number of years & the community is trying do something about it & if i have pics of a particular building they are trying to get up & running, i will always give my pics free of charge to the community group & the Lpool echo to which i have done in the past...

So i think there is a big difference in someone walking around a site in a pair of combat kecks with a camera & tripod than a person walking around tooled up with instruments to strip & steal...

[Spike]

" i was simply trying to document the place by simply takin photographs like other's before me have & you have also done yourself ...

I have been a explorer for a few years now & really enjoy it,i do not break into buildings or steal from buildings,i simply just take pics & leave. I feel documentation is important esp when a building has been closed for a number of years & the community is trying do something about it & if i have pics of a particular building they are trying to get up & running, i will always give my pics free of charge to the community group & the Lpool echo to which i have done in the past...



Well Said.

I agree.

Like myself you just want to preserve our history. Well done you :PDT11

Welcome to the forum. Hope you join in and show us some of your pics.

[wherever i may roam]

Well Said.

I agree.

Like myself you just want to preserve our history. Well done you :PDT11

Welcome to the forum. Hope you join in and show us some of your pics.

Cheers mate..check out my profile,there's a few there bud:PDT11

[Spike]

Cheers mate..check out my profile,there's a few there bud:PDT11

Will do Mate.

Just seen the Robinson Willey pics..Brilliant. Mart will be interested in them.

[hmtmaj]

Well Said.

I agree.

Like myself you just want to preserve our history. Well done you :PDT11

Welcome to the forum. Hope you join in and show us some of your pics.

Welcome from me too and well said Spike,

Mart

[Gerard Fleming]

I was 1 of them explorers....



Good for you....

[Spike]

If this thread gets closed can we keep the pics and info up please.

Eldon Grove is a very interesting place as proved by the interest shown on here.

[lindylou]

If this thread gets closed can we keep the pics and info up please.

Eldon Grove is a very interesting place as proved by the interest shown on here.


It's kev's site so it's up to him, but if it was me I would delete all posts -apart from any proper information ones - and just retain the pictures. :neutral:

[georgie t]

anyhow heres a few pics i took off the top balcony at eldon grove

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7834.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7867.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7802.jpg

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh142/fortboyardo/eldon%20grove/DSCF7835.jpg

[John Doh]

Great shots, GT! You must have a good telephoto lens on your camera. I would think the St John's Beacon is quite a distance from Eldon Grove?

[Kev]

If I could just remind members of the rules. Keep exchanges polite :-)

Sent from the back of Michael Caine's Mini Cooper S, holding on for dear life......

[wherever i may roam]

If I could just remind members of the rules. Keep exchanges polite :-)

Sent from the back of Michael Caine's Mini Cooper S, holding on for dear life......

WIMR mate...lol

[Kev]

WIMR mate...lol

Cheers :)

[John Doh]

Got it now! I thought at first maybe it was intended to read WEIMAR - a possible reference to the locals having declared themselves to be an independent republic, as in Germany?

Meanwhile, amidst all the recent name-calling and ranting, perhaps a query I raised has been overlooked? Can anyone confirm or deny my belief that the Eldon Grove Labourers' Cottages/ Dwellings - whatever the proper name is - was designated as a Listed Building? If so, why are we just bemoaning its passing instead of reminding the Corpy and getting them to chase up the owner? He's presumably playing the usual game of lying low and hoping it will be destroyed beyond repair...

[Spike]

Great pics again Georgie.

[Ged]

Got it now! I thought at first maybe it was intended to read WEIMAR - a possible reference to the locals having declared themselves to be an independent republic, as in Germany?

Meanwhile, amidst all the recent name-calling and ranting, perhaps a query I raised has been overlooked? Can anyone confirm or deny my belief that the Eldon Grove Labourers' Cottages/ Dwellings - whatever the proper name is - was designated as a Listed Building? If so, why are we just bemoaning its passing instead of reminding the Corpy and getting them to chase up the owner? He's presumably playing the usual game of lying low and hoping it will be destroyed beyond repair...

It's proper name is Eldon Grove and according to a couple of earlier posts, all 3 blocks, the surrounding railings and lamps are indeed listed. However, certain circumstances can render them to be de-listed and demolished.

[GeorgePorgie]

He's presumably playing the usual game of lying low and hoping it will be destroyed beyond repair...

I told him I couldn't get me hands on the dynamite so he's lookin for another source.

[John Doh]

It's proper name is Eldon Grove and according to a couple of earlier posts, all 3 blocks, the surrounding railings and lamps are indeed listed. However, certain circumstances can render them to be de-listed and demolished.

So, has this actually happened already - or is there a developer standing by and living in hope?

[Ged]

Went back inside Eldon Grove again yesterday and was surprised to find that the top flats have an internal staricase up to another level.


http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3494/eldongrove5.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/eldongrove5.jpg/)

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The bathroom and Kitchen is on the first level though

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/658/eldongrove3.jpg (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/eldongrove3.jpg/)

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http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/429/eldongrove11.jpg (http://img29.imageshack.us/i/eldongrove11.jpg/)

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http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/3958/eldongrove6.jpg (http://img859.imageshack.us/i/eldongrove6.jpg/)

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[Gerard Fleming]

The gates have been open again now for over a week...

Nice pics Ged... I got similar pics over a week ago on my mobile phone...
I'd put the car in for its MOT and had a nosey round on the way home..

[Gerard Fleming]

Mobile phone pics... 1st March 2011



http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/Shadows.jpg




http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/Eldon-Grove.jpg




http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/Stairwell-portrait.jpg





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/Bathroom-portrait.jpg





http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/Various/BackKitchen.jpg

[Spike]

Great pics again you two. Its terrible to see it this way. That gate needs locking though.

[Ged]

Great quality for a mobile those. :PDT11

[Gerard Fleming]

Great quality for a mobile those. :PDT11


Cheers Ged.. the cameras in these new mobiles are getting better all the time...:PDT11

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Great pics again you two. Its terrible to see it this way. That gate needs locking though.


Cheers Tony.. :PDT11

The council are well aware of the gate situation, it looks to me like they don't give a toss about Eldon Grove..
makes you wonder, doesn't it ?... let everybody loose in the place knocking it to pieces stealing what they want..

what then ?... an easy excuse to demolish..?

[Kevsy]

Was by it yesterday,noticed the gate wide open and even the surrounding metal sheet fencing is damaged in parts.
What a difference in just a few weeks.

[wsteve55]

As you can see,the flats had been modernised to a fairly good standard,again, so why weren't they let?????

[Ged]

Only a few were completed Steve and it seems the developer had problems letting them to release some more funds for the rest as the tenants would have been living on a building site for quite some time. It's a shame really as it looks like he had a good go.

[Ged]

Eldon Grove in 2003 taken by my friend Mike Murphy.

Note the tinned up flats on the top floor which were renovated.


http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/224/eldongrove2003mikem.jpg (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/eldongrove2003mikem.jpg/)

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[wsteve55]

A pity they weren't in a housing "action" area,or something similar!

[gregs dad]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3232/2925017018_fdbc255aa3_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/exacta2a/2925017018/)
I think I`ve posted this from 2008 before, the rear of the buildings with new sky lights and windows installed

[Ged]

Yes, those skylights never existed in the original building and stairs were put in the renovated flats to take you up into the roof space. A good idea and a pity these didn't work out.

[Ged]

A photgraph by A.S. Clayton from when they were lived in.

Notice the Liver Bird atop the cast iron lamp standard.


http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5940/eldongroveasclaytonolt.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/eldongroveasclaytonolt.jpg/)

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[Kev]

Is that a mini bottom corner? Nice pic!

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Sent from the back of Michael Caine's Mini Cooper S, holding on for dear life......

[Ged]

I'm not sure mini's had a sunken window like that did they Kev?

[GeorgePorgie]

Its an Hillman Imp,Kev...its the showing the back window screen,tsk! ruddy amatuers with Mini's. :)

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Hillman.imp.white.arp.750pix.jpg

[Gerard Fleming]

Its an Hillman Imp,Kev...its the showing the back window screen,tsk! ruddy amatuers with Mini's. :)

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fil:Hillman.imp.white.arp.750pix.jpg



I thought it was a Hillman Imp 15 minutes ago and searched and found the same photo.

I dont think it is a Hillman Imp in the Eldon Grove photo..
the window, to me..is more upright and not angled..
and it looks a taller car...higher off the ground...to me.
(The car in the Eldon Grove photo..)

[GeorgePorgie]

Its an Estate imp,the estate's backwindow wasn't reclined as much as the imp car