Another trophyless season.

Is it about time that the Toffees pulled the plug ?

Ha ha. A wind-up. No trophies, along with another 90 teams or so. Who's gonna do any better with little money? Alladyce, Jewel, Pearce, Roeder - no I don't think so - there's a nucleus of a very good team there at Everton.

Ha ha. A wind-up. No trophies, along with another 90 teams or so. Who's gonna do any better with little money? Alladyce, Jewel, Pearce, Roeder - no I don't think so - there's a nucleus of a very good team there at Everton.

Totally agree Ged :)

there's a nucleus of a very good team there at Everton.

But that's what you said in 2005 and then finished 11th the next season.:unibrow:

Ha ha. A wind-up. No trophies, along with another 90 teams or so. Who's gonna do any better with little money? Alladyce, Jewel, Pearce, Roeder - no I don't think so - there's a nucleus of a very good team there at Everton.

I do know quite a few Blues though that wouldnt be sorry to see Moyes go. He's very good at turning average players into good ones, but I dont think his style means he can handle the bigger players (take the Rooney issue for example) - simply because they refuse to be shown who is boss nowadays. I doubt he can take Everton any further than he has.

Wouldnt bet against you for winning the UEFA Cup next season though. If Espanyol, Middlesbrough, Celtic and CSKA Moscow and Sporting Lisbon can make the final why not Everton.

I think we're better equipped than 2005 when we had the joint oldest squad with Bolton and the smallest squad in the prem. I think Arteta, Cahill and Lescott would walk into most teams now and Marcus Bent is no Andy Johnson. Beatties been a disappointment, he'll run all day and lead the line but a striker is judged on goals as we all know.

It'll be hard for anyone to break into the top 4 these days when there's a big financial gap, we excelled when we came 4th and punched above our weight that season but like you say Ste, I don't see why we can't give a good account of ourselves in the UEFA cup when the likes of other 'mid table' teams have good runs in it. Only we could be unlucky enough for Mr Perfect Collina to botch up in his last game and it was Villareal who then went on a run.

Another trophyless season.

Is it about time that the Toffees pulled the plug ? On Benitez: Millions spent and yet another trophyless season and, even worse, all domestic silverware shared between Manchester United and Chelsea with the mighty? Liverpool winning as much as Everton for the 2006/2007 season.

Is it not time that the Reds pulled the plug?:lol:

On Benitez: Millions spent and yet another trophyless season and, even worse, all domestic silverware shared between Manchester United and Chelsea with the mighty? Liverpool winning as much as Everton for the 2006/2007 season.

Is it not time that the Reds pulled the plug?:lol:

Well the Reds did achieve THIRD PLACE which is measurably better than the Blues did, though I do agree with you to the extent that it was a SILVER WHERE? less season. :)

Something tells me that Benitez is safe though David Moyes position might be rockier, given the board room and team manoeuvering at Goodison.

Chris

On Benitez: Millions spent and yet another trophyless season and, even worse, all domestic silverware shared between Manchester United and Chelsea with the mighty? Liverpool winning as much as Everton for the 2006/2007 season.

Is it not time that the Reds pulled the plug?:lol:

After careful consideration I think I'll stick with the manager who led us to the second European Cup final in three seasons, something Ferguson and Mourinho have never accomplished btw.:handclap:

And may I just add that you really do have the oddest way of ignoring people, you are even replying to three week old posts now.

Not that I mind of course, nobody likes being ignored.:unibrow:

I do agree with you to the extent that it was a SILVER WHERE? less season. :)


Very droll Chris. :unibrow:

Not wanting to be pedantic btw but we did win the Charadee Shield and retain the FA Youth Cup.

And we didn't have a season ending party in January like some I could mention.:rolleyes:

Well the Reds did achieve THIRD PLACE which is measurably better than the Blues did, And I will assume you would consider a two (TWO) place difference (THIRD as oposed to sixth) would represent value for the millions spent? To my way of thinking, Moyes, with his players bought for a mere fraction of what the Liverpool manager spent, would appear more succesful but, some of us are easily pleased.

PS: I'll ask again; When did anything but first become a success and just who remembers the also rans?

Very droll Chris. :unibrow:

Not wanting to be pedantic btw but we did win the Charadee Shield and retain the FA Youth Cup.

And we didn't have a season ending party in January like some I could mention.:rolleyes:

Hi Mouse

Actually I am in shock, Mouse, because I didn't know Liverpool won the Charity Shield at the beginning of last season. Where was I? I try to watch every match Liverpool play, albeit these days on TV, and I somehow wasn't aware that Reds played Chelsea in the FA Community Shield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Community_Shield) aka Charity Shield and won 2-1, or else it has been such an up and down season I forgot it!!!

Chris

Gawd, you're not including those now are you to bolster up your pot count lol, in that case Everton won about 3 in the 80s and the 95 one too - hey, how about the screen sport super cup :unibrow:

Moyes is class and im happy with him.

why does a Liverpool fan start a thread asking should Evertons manager go?

No he should not go. maybe you want him yourself :shock:

he has improved the team a huge amount, we are getting way better. we have some star players now and im sure Liverpool would like a few of them in their team.

i cant believe anyone can say he has done a bad job, or that his time is up. i think he will bring us a trophy.

Rock on Davey boy...He`s got red hair and we dont care:PDT_Piratz_26:

And I will assume you would consider a two (TWO) place difference (THIRD as oposed to sixth) would represent value for the millions spent?

You keep harping on about two league places as if that was the _only_ thing that seperates our two clubs last season Sloyne, if you think that I'm afraid you are seriously deluded.

First yes, it was only two places, but that two places represents 10 points,
a 10 points that most certainly would have been increased had Liverpool not lost 3 games late in the season having rested players before big European games having secured a top 4 finish.

But forgetting all that let's just say 10 points which is basically the difference between Everton finishing 6th and Everton finishing in the bottom half of the table.

The main thing though that seperated us so much last season was the Cup games. Everton went out of the League Cup at the first hurdle in September to Peterborough and then out of the FA Cup in the first stage at home to Blackburn. Liverpool went to the League Cup Quarter finals and to the final of Europes biggest prize.

So yes, if we really want to delude ourselves we can say that it was just 2 places and we both won nothing of real significance then that's true. But compare Evertons 2 cup games last season with Liverpools 20 and try and keep a straight face when you tell me that you wouldn't swap in a heartbeat.:rolleyes:



PS: I'll ask again; When did anything but first become a success and just who remembers the also rans?

Let me offer a little analogy Sloyne, you are a golfer right ? Let's say there are two golfers in a tournament, for arguments sake we'll call the first one Rafa. Rafa plays well all weekend but on Sunday afternoon he misses a few crucial putts and ends up not winning. The other golfer we'll call David, David's always moaning that he can't afford expensive clubs like Rafa, David gives it his best effort but ends up missing the cut and has to spend Saturday and Sunday watching Rafa on the telly.

Neither golfer actually won anything but which one do you suppose enjoyed himself more ?:unibrow:

Gawd, you're not including those now are you to bolster up your pot count lol, in that case Everton won about 3 in the 80s and the 95 one too - hey, how about the screen sport super cup :unibrow:

As I said Ged, I was being pedantic but just wanted to set the record straight that winning the Community Shield and the no mean feat of retaining the FA Youth Cup is not exactly the same as winning _nothing_.

Don't knock the Screen Sport Supercup btw, those one sided games have a special place in my heart.:rolleyes:

Moyes is class and im happy with him.

why does a Liverpool fan start a thread asking should Evertons manager go?



Just a wee pishtake Gnomie.:rolleyes:

It does have an element of truth though, expectations are so high at most of the top clubs that average placed league finishes and a prolonged lack of silverware usually mean the manager taking the blame.

Let me offer a little analogy Sloyne, you are a golfer right ? And, obviously, you are not. Your analogy is totally inapropriate, golf being a personal, as opposed to a team game. No matter what my playing partners do does not effect my game. It is my own personal challenge against the course and my own skill level, or lack of, that dictates my final score. I may be pleased for one, or all, of my playing partners having a good game by shooting a good score but, I have no influence on any of their scores, just my own. I certainly don't expect them, nor do I, revel in mine or their misfortune on the course. In fact it's been my experience that the opposite happens, most golfers commiserate over bad/poor shots.

Okey Dokey Scouse :thumbsup:

I didn't know you were only mickey taking, I mean one team fielding their full side when we fielded youngsters can only be mickey taking can't it :)

Sorry for getting it a wee bit wrong by the way. We won 4 Charity shields and shared on with you :slywink:


Anyway I agree. It's about time Moyes and the boys took the League/milk/egg cup or whatever it's called these days a bit more seriously and stopped trying out the youngsters and stuff, it's one we could do with winning. We won't have to rest Howard against the mancs this season as well as gift them equalisers and such. Roll on August, i'm looking forward to that month.

And, obviously, you are not.

Obviously ? If you don't mind me saying you seem prone to be making some bizarre assumptions about someone you know little aboutSloyne. Actually yes I am a golfer, I've been playing since I was in my teens about 40 years now. I don't play near as often as I'd like but hopefully one day when I retire (god spares) I'll have more time for those kind of things.


Your analogy is totally inapropriate, golf being a personal, as opposed to a team game.

<<groan>> I think we can all recognise the differences between golf and football.:rolleyes:

The analogy was to demonstrate that a golfer, just like any team player in any sport can lose in many different ways. The golfer who misses a 6 footer on the 18th green to lose a tournament can take greater satisfaction in his weekends efforts than the golfer who bogeys his way through rounds on Thursday and Friday and misses the cut. Likewise a team can feel a bit prouder of themselves after losing a close final in May than the team that got beaten in a qualifying round back in August.

You might say that both teams are losers but I just find that kind of attitude a wee bit jaded myself.:rolleyes:

Anyway I agree. It's about time Moyes and the boys took the League/milk/egg cup or whatever it's called these days a bit more seriously and stopped trying out the youngsters and stuff,

That's one I couldn't understand ? OK we know that the League Cup isn't a huge acheivement but I don't understand why teams like Everton don't put more effort in. I can understand teams that are involved in Europe taking it lightly because of fixture congestion and I can understand a team with a bunch of quality younsters like Arsenal or a load of 20M quid "reserves" like Chelsea resting their top players but I honestly don't see Everton falling into any of those catagorys.

It's a great weekend on the pish in London or Cardiff, if I supported the blues I'd be disappointed that we didn't give it a better shot.

I think this thread is out of order, can we remove it.

Another trophyless season.

Is it about time that the Toffees pulled the plug ?


Sorry scouse but you are a Liverpool fan asking this question. its up to the Everton fans to decide when they want him or not.

Sorry scouse but you are a Liverpool fan asking this question. its up to the Everton fans to decide when they want him or not.



So only Evertonians should be able to comment on Everton and only Liverpudlians allowed to comment on Liverpool ?

Sorry mate but that sounds barmy to me. The great thing, or what should be the great thing about sites such as this is that we get a mix of reds and blues so we should be able to discuss things from different perspectives.

That doesn't mean imho that like likes of Sloyne should be able to post second hand lies and innuendo.

Say for instance if I were to start a thread claiming that all Evertonians were bitter and twisted and that they all have a chip on their shoulder I'd expect it to be deleted because it obviously isn't true.

We should be able to discuss each others players and managers or even supporters for that matter, but we should be able to do reasonably like adults without the bitterness that you see elsewhere.........that's my opinion anyway Gnomie.

so why did the other thread get taken off. ok it was about Liverpool and had refrence to Disasters from the past. you found it offensive and told Sloyne and he explained his reasons. i think it should still have been left up so people could read it and decide what they think.

I have noticed a lot of bitterness in the footy threads from both sets of supporters. maybe they should go on certain fan sites where you can rip the heck out of the other side.

yes its fair to discuss the other teams but you must have known that it would upset Everton fans. i would not start one about Raffa. i would join in one along the way of course.:unibrow:

One thing i do know is its getting out of hand from everyside now.

we can either split down the middle and say hands off my team:034:

or extend the hand of friendship( not on Derby day of course) and group hug:hug:

Not aiming this at you Scouse.. there are sly digs flying in from all sets of fans
im guilty at times as i feel a need to defend my team against some of the comments as do the liverpool fans.

most threads start of in good humour and are fun, but then both sides throw bitterness in. maybe we should just boo the nasty comments from now on?

so Scouse i will even come for a pint with you in the new season while Liverpool are playing and cheer them on( NOT THE DERBY:ninja:) hows that for starting the friendly rivals off again.

funny thing is we all stand in the pub together cheering on England

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Arriva shows the way:PDT_Piratz_26:

I reckon David Moyes has got the safest job in the premiership.
The man has worked wonders at Everton with next to nothing..

yes its fair to discuss the other teams but you must have known that it would upset Everton fans.

But honestly Gnomie that just isn't true mate.

The blues who responded seemed to agree that Moyse has done a good job with the limited resources at his disposal, quite frankly I'd probably tend to agree with them.

It was just a bit of banter, I really can't see how anyone could get upset ?

I'm pretty sure that most of the bluenoses on here are big boys who can hold their own.