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mike delamar
04-17-2007, 11:51 PM
dont know if this has been on here before

but this guys got loads of great old pics, some from the 60s of steam in colour!!

http://kerry9621.fotopic.net/show_group.php?id=4275

mike

goldenface
04-18-2007, 10:17 AM
Some great pics there Michael, thanks for that. Some of them before my time (ahem!).

Some good ones of Central Station too.

marie
04-18-2007, 12:59 PM
http://www.53a-pix.co.uk/picture/MDHB16-LD-291256.jpg

MDHB No 16
Liverpool - 29/12/56

http://www.53a-pix.co.uk/picture/MDHB14-LD-291256.jpg

MDHB No 14
Liverpool - 29/12/56

http://www.53a-pix.co.uk/picture/CEGB-0-4-0ST-LI-291256.jpg

CEGB 0-4-0ST
Liverpool - 29/12/56

The photos are from this web:
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/53amodels/ind.htm

mike delamar
04-18-2007, 03:30 PM
hi there brilliant them marie, ive seen loads of liverpool docks, but never them ones,

love them

thanks

heres some ive scanned from a few books,

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/pugliverbuilding-1.jpg

on old "pug" loco going passed the 3 graces in the late 50s, after the overhead railway was torn down

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/aintree3locos.jpg
just round by where i live, Aintree on grand national day in the early 60s, the line on the top has gone now, look at all kids watching

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/pugswanst.jpg

and a model of a pug and pubs by liverpool model railway society:)

mike

snappel
04-18-2007, 04:01 PM
Thanks for the photos Mike.

A couple of years back there were a couple of yellow Merseyrail painted class 73's parked at Birkenhead North depot. They were looking a bit neglected. Any idea what they were used for (I'm assuming general maintenance/permanent way) or where they went (again, I'm assuming they were cut up)?

Cheers.

EDIT: Googled it...


Merseyrail formerly had four Class 73 electro-diesel locomotives for shunting, sandite trains, engineering works and other departmental duties; two of these had been repainted in the yellow livery of the previous franchise holder. These locomotives were sold to a preservation company in 2002

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyrail)

mike delamar
04-18-2007, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the photos Mike.

A couple of years back there were a couple of yellow Merseyrail painted class 73's parked at Birkenhead North depot. They were looking a bit neglected. Any idea what they were used for (I'm assuming general maintenance/permanent way) or where they went (again, I'm assuming they were cut up)?

Cheers.

EDIT: Googled it...



Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merseyrail)


thats right they where for maintaince, used to see them at hall road, crosby, and kirkdale,

usually they where saw out during the winter times when the "sandite" trains ran to de ice the track,


theres a pic of one here sandwiched between an old class 501 unit for diicing at kirkdale in the late 90s


http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p31952764.html
no most of them got saved and preserved some are on the severn valley railway steam railway and keighly and worth valley railway, been painted back in there old liveries, one did get scrapped but for spares for the other ones

this is the one that got scrapped, used to see in a corner of kirkdale for years

http://mark5811.fotopic.net/p28662140.html

one at birkenhead

http://tims-train-photos.fotopic.net/p3241452.html






and here are some ones that got saved and are now run on preserved steam railways
http://community.fotopic.net/search/simple.php?pn=3&pp=36&tab=P&txt=73005



mike

snappel
04-18-2007, 04:39 PM
Excellent, thanks very much!

Kev
04-18-2007, 04:52 PM
wow - what excellent links :handclap::PDT11

mike delamar
04-18-2007, 05:01 PM
no probs snappel

to be honest i like the old steam the best,

another bit of liverpool history, the last ever british rail, mainline steam train ran from liverpool lime street in august 1968, the fifteen guinea special,

anyone who wants to see what it was like to drive and fire them, should have a look at this, proper mans job, the same type of engine that was used on the special and where a common site in liverpool up to 1968

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rXVhefeMMc

i know an old driver of them, who used to be at bank hall, and edge hill sheds and am always asking him questions about them


mike

mike delamar
04-18-2007, 05:56 PM
my fave pic on that site is this one, a "scot" loco leaving liverpool exchange in the mid 1960s, these are the arches you can still see from the train now, between sandhills and moorfields, theres a row of railway vans in the background on the line that is used now between moorfields and sandhills, and can see the liver buildings in the top left corner

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/scotexchange.jpg

mike

marie
04-18-2007, 06:05 PM
Great photo Mike!! :PDT_Piratz_26:

Kev
04-18-2007, 06:06 PM
^^:handclap::handclap:^^ Who took the pic Mike? Fanbloodytastic :PDT11

mike delamar
04-18-2007, 09:47 PM
^^:handclap::handclap:^^ Who took the pic Mike? Fanbloodytastic :PDT11

a gent called ted baxendale, his son has put them on his fotopic site


http://kerry9621.fotopic.net/c1217314.html

he took one looking the other way aswel, looking towards sandhills, can see the big tobbacco warehouse in the background



http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/black5exchange.jpg


and one of my local station orrell park, a "black 5" loco on the front of this train heading towards ormskirk, this is when you could travel from liverpool exchange to preston/glasgow


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/black5orrellpark.jpg


mike

goldenface
04-19-2007, 03:12 PM
@mikedelamar

I can see why that picture is your favourite, it captures everything from Liverpools grimy north central dock area, the steam era and in colour too.

You also can't help wondering if it was normal in the 60s to park your cars in the middle of the road or are those two cars bottom-left about to collide head on!!!

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 03:38 PM
couple of now and then pics, the "now" ones i took myself around 1998 the "then" pics are from railway magazines

aintree on grand national day , the bridge over the top is bull lane, orrell park, this train is heading towards aintree central station which is now gone, used to be around the sight of the new littlewoods,vernons on park lane aintree, this pic is 1961. this part of the line has now been made into a cycle path to halewood.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/4faintree-1.jpg

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/myaintreepic.jpg


and walton on the hill tunnels the original pic taken in the 1930s looking towards walton on the hill station,

the modern one took by me in the same spot, you can just see the top of the tunnel above all the rubbish, on the top left of the cutting is the petrol station on brewster street, i am standing inside one tunnel as im taking this pic, there where actually 3 tunnels along this line, with short openings, one end is kirkdale station, the other is under walton hall avenue flyover.

i walked along the platform at kirkdale station and in to the tunnel to get this pic

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/lkjhgf-1.jpg

mike

goldenface
04-19-2007, 03:54 PM
@Mike.

I would love to see some older pictures of Edge Hill Station. I can never find any. I do have some footage of it on video but only fleeting glimpses.

I thinks its strange that with this being on the West Coast mainline into Lime Street ,and also at the foot of the famous Grid Iron, and with the carriage cleaning and freight storage sidings, that there isn't a whole ton of photos of this scene.

You wouldn't believe that Edge Hill once had a station canopy.

snappel
04-19-2007, 03:54 PM
It's sad that there's so little left...

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 04:06 PM
not a problem sir :)

1950s when the station still has the canopies, and the large goods warehouse on the right

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/45596edgehill.jpg

got a few more of edge hill somewhere, ill ave to dig em out

mike

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 04:25 PM
one of the prototype deltic diesel loco hauling the merseyside express at edge hill in the early 1950s

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/deltic_edge_hill1.jpg

the two pics where taken by the bishop of liverpool, eric treacy


mike

goldenface
04-19-2007, 04:42 PM
Wow!

Will you just look at them! They are amazing!!! What a scene!

Cheers for that Mike, thats just made my day! :handclap:

I never knew that good shed existed, though the entrance to it is on the corner of Tunnel Road and Wavertree Road isn't it.

Cool!

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 06:08 PM
yeah theres superstores there now


can see the grid iron railway lines in this pic

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/ghjkl.jpg

mike

PhilipG
04-19-2007, 06:46 PM
The photos are absolutely wonderful.
And this is coming from someone who doesn't know much about trains and railways.
If you'd like to add the photos to "Old Liverpool" (see link below), please, PLEASE, do so.
Thank you.

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 07:11 PM
yeah, but only thing is that they aint mine, copyright and all that

mike

theninesisters
04-19-2007, 07:52 PM
@Mike.

I would love to see some older pictures of Edge Hill Station. I can never find any. I do have some footage of it on video but only fleeting glimpses.

I thinks its strange that with this being on the West Coast mainline into Lime Street ,and also at the foot of the famous Grid Iron, and with the carriage cleaning and freight storage sidings, that there isn't a whole ton of photos of this scene.

You wouldn't believe that Edge Hill once had a station canopy.

I've got LOTS of Edge Hill station pics....I'll dig em out! :PDT11

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 10:04 PM
edge hill was such a complicated area for railways, so have to bare with us here

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/edge_hill_station.jpg
blasting out into edge hill station from lime street in the early 50s

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/47336_edge_hill.jpg

edge hill station in the 1960s, this jinty tank engine is about to push this train of vans up to the top of the gridiron. smoke is billowing out of waterloo tunnel in the background

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/45695_minotaur_edge_hill.jpg

this is looking the other way than the deltic diesel pic, taken from smithdown road in the early 60s, can see the gridiron sidings going up on the left, and the wagon repair shop on the left

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/45075_edge_hill.jpg

a bit further along, and you can now see smithdown road bridge in the background, the gridiron is on the right, this train is heading towards manchester, the lines curving away to the left head towards wavertree and then london.mid 1950s

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/bridgeolivemount-1.jpg

further down still and this is the site of the new wavertree technology park station, taken in the mid 50s, the first bridge is a railway line on the high level goods line, the next bridge is rathbone road

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/45418_edge_hill.jpg

going back to edge hill, this train has taken the line to london, and is passing edge hill steam shed on the right, early 1950s

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/46202_edge_hill_shed.jpg

edge hill steam loco shed, in 1952, the gridiron sidings are in the background


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/edge_hill_turntable.jpg

the turntable at edge hill in the 50s, the shed building is in the background


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/camp_edge_hill.jpg

loco spotters on edge hill shed in the late 1960s

more to follow shortly
:)

mike

Kev
04-19-2007, 10:21 PM
Mike, wonderful pics mate: Can u make sure you mention the source of the pics when posting? Cheers :)

mike delamar
04-19-2007, 10:23 PM
yeah no probs sorry,

they are either eric treacy, or jim peden if im not mistaken, i scanned them a while ago so ill dig em out and check the exact details

mike

goldenface
04-20-2007, 08:03 AM
Bloody great pics Mike. I can honestly say I haven't seen any of them before, they really all should be put together in a large glossy paged book.

Will you be showing a selection of Chatsworth Cutting pics when you put the model on display?

snappel
04-20-2007, 09:24 AM
loco spotters on edge hill shed in the late 1960s
That's just amazing! My dad's mate in the 60s used to get rides on the Std 4 tank that marshalled the local yard! Back when health & safety was down to common sense.

Amazing photos Mike, you're a star for posting them up! They're really something special. So far on the web I just haven't seen many decent pictures of that area. I moved to Edge Hill in 2001, and noticed bits of railway here and there, but when I bought a 1905 map reprint of the area I was blown away! It's hard to believe what used to be there.

One minor point though, the bridge/road you refer to as Smithdown Road is in fact Wavertree/Picton Road, which runs more or less parallel to Smithdown.

goldenface
04-20-2007, 10:45 AM
It is amazing Snappel.

I have the map you are talking about and the amount of railway in the area is just massive.

Its great to look at the Mike's pics to see just what it was once like, it was a hive of activity.

Now it has been streamlined there is hardy anything left, everythinig is overgrown.

mike delamar
04-20-2007, 04:08 PM
Bloody great pics Mike. I can honestly say I haven't seen any of them before, they really all should be put together in a large glossy paged book.

Will you be showing a selection of Chatsworth Cutting pics when you put the model on display?

yeah well have some pics on the layout,

most of them pics are actually from books that my dad or i have collected over the years-

an illustrated history of liverpool railways, by paul bolger, excellent rare book

various, eric treacy books

shedside on merseyside


backtrack railway magazines

the late jim peden collection- jim used to sell photos at model railway shows

transport in liverpool- the colour pic of bank hall shed on the railway stations thread


snappel i always get that road mixed up lol


got more pics to come soon, again i just dont wanna get in trouble over rights etc

mike

Kev
04-20-2007, 04:39 PM
got more pics to come soon, again i just dont wanna get in trouble over rights etc

mike

You won't Mike, as long as you say where they are from. :PDT11

goldenface
04-23-2007, 09:50 AM
Great! I am looking forward to seeing more - when you can. :unibrow:

mike delamar
04-23-2007, 04:35 PM
cool then, lime street, taken from books mentioned above

we'll start with oldest first

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/turntablelimestreet.jpg
mid 1930s, showing the loco turntable in the right corner, and also the old signal box in the centre behind the train


1950s

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/3locoslimest.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/limest.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/jubileelimestcutting.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/black5limest-1.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/264tlimest.jpg
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/patriotlimest.jpg

early 1960s,
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/duchesslimest.jpg



http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap_52681.png
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap_53646.png
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e90/michaeldelz/vlcsnap_53847.png

and 1966, once the wires had been put up for the electric trains, the wires went up in 1962 although steam was still used into lime street until 1968

screenshots taken from dvd reshaping british railways, note the old taxis parking in the centre of the platform,

mike

DavidCatton
01-02-2008, 11:07 AM
Happy New Year!

I've found my way to this list by some devious route but spent a fascinating few moments poking my nose into all sorts of places. I was born in Liverpool but moved away 45 years ago and now live just outside Chesterfield.

For more years than I care to remember I have planned to make a model railway based on Bankhall Engine Shed and the tracks in the vicinity. I was delighted to find the pictures of the Scot outside Exchange and the details of the stonework above the ex-LNWR tracks at Kirkdale. I tried to follow a link in one of the earlier posts to a (fotopic) site which I understand contains pictures on Liverpool railways but the link seems to have expired.

So, my request is to ask if anyone has any photos or other details of the railways in the Bankhall area (especially the shed) in the 1950s and early 1960s.

All the best,

David Catton

oritelad
01-12-2008, 02:00 PM
hi dave my site may have what you are looking for www.oldliverpoolrailways.tk just look for the right photos in my photobucket page which is linked from my oldliverpoolrailwaty site i too iam on the look out for photos round that area i would love to see your photos round that area expecially kirkdale also the bankfield goods tunnels that have been lost for many years now

shoney
01-12-2008, 06:01 PM
good pics, I really liked the now and then pics, really interesting, maybe we could have a now and then section, I was brought up in the 60's /70's and left for NZ in 89, on the times when I have been back I have noticed massive changes that have taken place gradually and people who have lived through the changes barely notice them.

Sirob
03-15-2008, 09:49 PM
For more pics with railway content, check out Unseen Liverpool thread, where I am posting my old Liverpool collection.

John(Zappa)
03-15-2008, 10:01 PM
For more pics with railway content, check out Unseen Liverpool thread, where I am posting my old Liverpool collection.

And they're pretty good too:PDT_Piratz_26:

scousejoan
03-23-2008, 02:18 PM
23-03-08.

I grew up in Melrose road kirkdale, and had first class views of kirkdale station, and sidings, from our attic window, but didn't find any of it interesting until now, when a goods train went through at night, it was always 10-00 on the dot. Our houses shook, they came out on the Grist Street track and disappeared into a tunnel a bit further up the track, I often wondered where they went to and how long they were under ground.

Ged
03-23-2008, 10:15 PM
That Melrose road section near the buildings (or billogs to the local kids) was known to them as 'the raller'.

ChrisO
03-23-2008, 10:59 PM
Hello all, I'm obviously new to this forum although I've been viewing for a while. Anyway, there used to be a link in this thread to a site with some great shots of the Fazakerley Parkway depot and the Aintree Shed, container base etc. but it seems to have gone. What's happened to it?
Great forum, by the way

oritelad
04-05-2008, 01:32 PM
trains are mad today so loud and fast and so many every few minutes think they are missing sandhills and kirkdale and walton and orreil park seems daft all them years ago we had 3 stations serving aintree all from different lines now there all cramed onto 1 line and 1 station i thought the future was sopose to be better not worse? do merseyrail use the other lines such as bootle branch from lime st though the north mersey branch to aintree?

ChrisO
04-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Not sure I follow you. How do we miss Sandhills, Kirkdale and Orrell Park? I follow your comment about Aintree, but they will never be able to reinstate Central because a) the site has gone and b) it's not economically viable. I like the idea of joining the Northern Line to Aintree on the CLC as it goes under the Northern Line, but were to from there? Do you reinstate the whole line through West Derby, Childwall & Gateacre because I don't reckon many people would get the train at Warbreck, West Derby or Knotty Ash to get into town via Hunts Cross. How about creating a northern loop from Aintree through West Derby etc. on the CLC and it joining the City Line at Broad Green and doing similar with a southern loop from Broad Green through Childwall and Gateacre on the CLC through Hunts Cross and back to the city.
Re-opening Aintree Racecourse is a non-starter, I just don't think people would use it.
I think the re-opening of the Canada Dock branch is a great idea and from what I've heard is in the pipeline.

Aureol
04-05-2008, 09:36 PM
Hello all, I'm obviously new to this forum although I've been viewing for a while. Anyway, there used to be a link in this thread to a site with some great shots of the Fazakerley Parkway depot and the Aintree Shed, container base etc. but it seems to have gone. What's happened to it?
Great forum, by the way


http://philhughesaintreeandbootlerailphotos.fotopic.net/
http://kerry9621.fotopic.net/ only a few here now while he revamps the site.
http://brlocos.fotopic.net/
http://jjm.fotopic.net/c919309.html
http://jjm.fotopic.net/c834678.html
http://flusky.fotopic.net/c51712.html
http://smigspics.fotopic.net/c900605.html
http://petesrailnonsense.fotopic.net/c1039545.html

Aureol
04-06-2008, 12:39 AM
Hello all, I'm obviously new to this forum although I've been viewing for a while. Anyway, there used to be a link in this thread to a site with some great shots of the Fazakerley Parkway depot and the Aintree Shed, container base etc. but it seems to have gone. What's happened to it?
Great forum, by the way

http://philhughesaintreeandbootlerailphotos.fotopic.net/

HollyBlack
04-06-2008, 12:43 AM
...
I think the re-opening of the Canada Dock branch is a great idea and from what I've heard is in the pipeline.With the Canada Dock branch improvements, and as the port expands, it is inevitable there will have to be a significantly improved second (alternate) freight line - if only to reliably handle rail freight traffic diverted due to accidents or engineering works.

I'm no expert, but my guess is that it is entirely feasible to reinstate a Northbound freight connection out of the North docks and onto the North Mersey branch. Though I seem to recall the North Mersey Branch line was singled at some point.

The alternative (maybe better) would be to somehow connect the docks to the Kirkby line, presumably somewhere Bank Hall but I suspect the needed tunnel was long since destroyed. The alternative - to get to Kirkby and Wigan by reinstating the Aintree Racecourse station line as a freight route does not seem feasible because of new housing developments and NIMBYism.

Until, of course, road and aviation fuel becomes unaffordable, then all bets are off.

skgogosfan
07-02-2008, 11:51 PM
Lovely EH pix,Mike. It was crawling with activity in its heyday. You can only imagine it now-but your pix help a lot. ;)

Dave.

xkopite
10-07-2008, 09:12 PM
Mike
Can you post some pics of the dock road traffic such as some of the lorries waiting to get in the docks etc please. 1960s period.
I had some many moons ago but lost them can you please oblige.
Dave