OBESITY and related discussion

[Kev]

OBESITY is killing 1,000 people a year in Liverpool, a new report has revealed.

And the cost to the local economy in extra health services and lost work days has been estimated at £23m.

Now firms are being urged to support employees in an attempt to reduce the impact of obesity on the region’s performance.

The review, commissioned by Liverpool’s Food and Health project Taste for Health, estimates that more than 1,000 people in the city die as a result of unhealthy diets every year. Those behind the study fear the problem will get worse unless parents help their children lead more healthy lives.

Taste For Health co-ordinator Julie Curren said the growing cost of obesity – to the local economy and to the health of its people – was alarming. more (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100regionalnews/tm_headline=obesity-claims-1%2D000-liverpool-lives-every-year%26method=full%26objectid=18916413%26siteid=50 061-name_page.html)

[scouserdave]

"Companies could consider offering subsidised gym membership and encourage team building sports, offer weight loss and healthy eating advice and include healthy and low-fat foods in vending machines and on the menu in the staff canteen."

Why?
Fat people should just eat less and exercise more.

My kids are built like whippets. They eat the usual load of crap as kids do when they're out, but when they get home they get meals cooked with fresh produce, usually with pasta or rice. Apart from the Sunday Roast!:PDT11

[Ged]

Yep, there will be those genetically challanged or those with an underactive Thyroid or whatever but there's more now than ever stuffing themselves silly while playing on their Pc or games console instead of Sport or street games.

[scouserdave]

Yep, there will be those genetically challanged or those with an underactive Thyroid or whatever but there's more now than ever stuffing themselves silly while playing on their Pc or games console instead of Sport or street games.
Ged, good point about the medical side.
My missus had cancer of the thyroid gland less than a year after our marriage. She's been on thyroxine ever since having it removed.

[Ged]

Hiya Dave. My auntie had an overactive thyroid and was insect thin and always on the go and my ma-in-law developed an underactive thyroid and totally slowed her down and she 'filled out' - hee hee - in case she ever reads this.

I think some use a none existant medical conditions as a convenient excuse though - you see these lardy kids on the likes of wife swap and their mums are always two ton tess, only ever too willing to give them a couple of quid for the chippy cos they can't be bothered having them under their feet.

[Kev]

My eldest eats loads, he's 3 and has legs like tree trunks. We've been blitzing the swimming and the weight is dropping off. Myself, I've always had to keep ontop of the gym, running etc and cutting down as I have a large apitite, the exersise is the key.

[Ged]

I never eat cos it's lunchtime or Tea time - I eat only when i'm hungry. I hardly ever have a breakfast though I know you're supposed to but I play footy three times a week so that helps. I ran marathons and done triathlons in the 80s and 90s so I could eat and drink what I liked back then but I can feel my metabolism slowing down. It's the ale and cakes that are my downfall - I blame Mr Kipling myself.

[Kev]

Obesity 'not individuals' fault'

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40530000/jpg/_40530001_burger203.jpg
It is said we live in an 'obesogenic' environment

Individuals can no longer be held responsible for obesity so government must act to stop Britain "sleepwalking" into a crisis, a report has concluded.

The largest ever UK study into obesity, backed by government and compiled by 250 experts, said excess weight was now the norm in our "obesogenic" society. more (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7047244.stm)

[Cadfael]

It really annoys me this subject because there are two sides to every coin.

My mum was like a shadow when she was growing up until she had a thyroid problem and they had to operate. Now she's quite large and has given up trying to get down to size and just eats healthy. She works in a care home doing 12 hour days and is running up and down stairs all day, doesn't do a jot to her.

I used to be 'average' but fit until I was ill 3 years ago when I had my Pericarditis and since then I've put more weight on because of the steriods I had to take and the lack of being able to do much. I'm not exactly super size but I know I need to lose weight. But I get regular checks at the Doctors for my thyroid as it runs in the family. I work out, punchbag, treadmill 2 miles a day and eat healthily, it doesn't do a jot to me and as long as I know I'm 'fit' then I'm happy.

The last stress treadmill test for my heart cause of the virus was last month and they said that I was fitter than the average person of my age which proves that I do work out, just can't loose the beef.
However, when someone slaps you on the belly and says 'ooh who ate all the pies' you want to make them eat your fist because you know you're doing all you can to stay fit.

[snappel]

In most cases obesity is simply down to a lack of self-respect and will power. It seems now that if someone 'falls prey' to adverts and shop displays they're 'not responsible'.

[John(Zappa)]

[QUOTE=Cadfael;83708]It really annoys me this subject because there are two sides to every coin.

My mum was like a shadow when she was growing up until she had a thyroid problem and they had to operate. Now she's quite large and has given up trying to get down to size and just eats healthy. She works in a care home doing 12 hour days and is running up and down stairs all day, doesn't do a jot to her.

I used to be 'average' but fit until I was ill 3 years ago when I had my Pericarditis and since then I've put more weight on because of the steriods I had to take and the lack of being able to do much. I'm not exactly super size but I know I need to lose weight. But I get regular checks at the Doctors for my thyroid as it runs in the family. I work out, punchbag, treadmill 2 miles a day and eat healthily, it doesn't do a jot to me and as long as I know I'm 'fit' then I'm happy.

Here's another thyroxine user here.
Yeah it runs in our family too.My mum was a big woman,my sister is big (sometimes )and my niece too.My niece had her thyroid whipped out and my sister and they soon piled the beef on.
I had an over-active thyroid.It was ok except for the weight loss.The police kept pulling me thinking I was a smack head.
Anyway,I got me a new doctors and found this out.I was then sent to drink some crazy greenish looking toxic kinda juice and it made it under active..I now understand what my mum went through.
I am still a fine figure and will probably stay that way as am too fidgety.
But its crap.Cold hands,feet,temperature up and down,feeling tired etc etc.
So I understand why some people are obese due to medical problems but to be honest,most people don't help themselves even if it is a thyroid problem.My mum liked her cakes,my sister likes her sweet stuff and my niece is a good eater.So am I proof that you can still be thin and have an under-active thyroid.?

[drone_pilot]

I spent 15 years in the army was as fit as anyone, 15 years ago i was diagnosed with Diabetis type II, it didn't respond to diet/pills so they put me on injections i now take 4 jabs a day and my weight has ballooned, i eat like a sparrow but the pound's just pile on. found out it's down to the bloody insulin, so i'm caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, take the insulin and yoyo with my weight, or don't take it and chance a dibetic coma and die. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

what a life.:disgust:

[lindylou]

I've put on weight with an under active thyroid.

I was the same weight ( 9 stone) right through my 2o's, 30's & 40's - my weight never altered. I am 5 ft 5 so I was average weight for my height. I've never dieted. Always ate what I liked and my shape didn't change.

.. but now I've got classic middle age spread and also the under active thyroid which makes you gain weight.

Your body definately changes shape when you reach a certain age.

basically, you go square !! :eek: :D

[drone_pilot]

Well lindylou, people say i,m out of shape, I say round's a shape.:PDT11

[John(Zappa)]

I spent 15 years in the army was as fit as anyone, 15 years ago i was diagnosed with Diabetis type II, it didn't respond to diet/pills so they put me on injections i now take 4 jabs a day and my weight has ballooned, i eat like a sparrow but the pound's just pile on. found out it's down to the bloody insulin, so i'm caught between the devil and the deep blue sea, take the insulin and yoyo with my weight, or don't take it and chance a dibetic coma and die. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

what a life.:disgust:

My mate is diabetic and has 4 jabs aday.He's been a diabetic for some years now.Heplays football and excersises.
He is not fat at all.He eats regular so maybe you're just a little idle in your old age eh Drone?

[Ged]

I find 3 square meals help ;)

[lindylou]

To link in with this disscussion:

it's been on the news a lot lately as we've noticed, that the government want to clamp down on what people eat.

:D

My predictions are coming true - - I said 2 years ago, (when they were starting the anti-smoking bans and hounding the smokers) - I said to the anti-smokers who were all for this, 'they will be coming for you next' :unibrow:


... and they are.

I heard talk of VAT going on 'bad food' and taxing of cakes. Honest !!

They are also starting to campaign against the drinking of alcohol too. Or should I say, the amount of alcohol a person drinks.



Don't get me wrong. I am all for a healthy nation. Obesity and alcoholism is obviously a bad thing.


but I'm just smiling at the idea that the health police are coming to get you !! :D

the smokers have had their punishment - now it's everyone elses turn. :PDT11

[Steven]

Then I will just make my own cakes and find them when I am not to bevied to eat them,,, well won't I though?:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[lindylou]

My mate is diabetic and has 4 jabs aday.He's been a diabetic for some years now.Heplays football and excersises.
He is not fat at all.He eats regular so maybe you're just a little idle in your old age eh Drone?

ahh yes, but how old is he tho' John ? :)


my mum in her 70's now., is diabetic and has put on lots of weight with water retention and also the tablets she's on.

[John(Zappa)]

To link in with this disscussion:

it's been on the news a lot lately as we've noticed, that the government want to clamp down on what people eat.




...I heard talk of VAT going on 'bad food' and taxing of cakes. Honest !!

They are also starting to campaign against the drinking of alcohol too. Or should I say, the amount of alcohol a person drinks.



Don't get me wrong. I am all for a healthy nation. Obesity and alcoholism is obviously a bad thing.


but I'm just smiling at the idea that the health police are coming to get you !! :D

the smokers have had their punishment - now it's everyone elses turn. :PDT11


I can believe it.Health police,what a joke.
Mind you,on Manhattan Island they were gonna bring out "Dildo" police.
No kidding.You're not allowed to own more than 4 of the rabbits.
Imagine the knock at the door if they thought you had 5??:shock:

[Steven]

I am in shape >>> Well Round is a shape isn't it ?

[lindylou]

Well lindylou, people say i,m out of shape, I say round's a shape.:PDT11


It's normal to 'thicken out' in middle age. it's natures way of protecting the bones as you get older. The internal organs also 'drop' and 'settle' (not a very pretty thought ! ha,ha) - but that's what happens, and that's why your trunk thickens and you might get a sticky out tum. :) (everything heads south) :shock:

Older women tell me that it is much better for a middle age woman to have a bit of weight on her. It is good for protecting the bones as women can suffer from bone thinning. Also, middle age people who are too thin can look scrawny, and being too thin is aging ( emphasising wrinkles). :)

[Steven]

My auntie lost three stone overnight (when she had her leg of).

[John_142]

I have lost quite alot of weight in the Last year and a half now since ive had a bike again and going to see the Dietian every six weeks to get advice and be weighed.!

Last time i whent i had Lost another 1/2 Stone :unibrow:

[tricia w]

you know i hit 60 in september, so i thought about a bit of exercise .
My husband has a spinning bike , so i thought i would give it a go ,i have been doing it since monday . Its great i feel really good ,gets the heart going, the old knees as well ,but if you see someone passing you on west derby road at 90 miles an hour please stop them ,it will be me:rolleyes:

[Ged]

Didn't work for my mate, he got a bike last weekend - well I told him to stop going the Grafton - didn't I though?

I find that dildo one a bit 'hard' to believe.

Sit ups keep the middle toned, Liverpool's Terry Philips was Mr Universe at some age. I do agree though that your metabolism slows down but it's a good cop out to think that the fat is a medical miracle to help protect your organs and bones :)

You just need to work harder at burning the calories off quicker or don't eat as much look how thin Steptoe was ;)

[lindylou]

I'm sure sit-ups would help retain the figure.
You would have to work really hard tho' to keep it up. (and hardly eat ) :shock:

I was lucky I never had to diet in my life so i've had a good run figurewise :)

looking around at women the same age as me I notice most of us have that same distinctive 'thickening out' look. it's definately a part of the body shape getting older. Also the face changes shape.

[Ged]

Wealth and spare time have a lot to do with it.

Look at Rosemary Conley, Jane Fonda even those lardies like Janice battersby and Cilla off Corrie who suddenly made a packet out of keep fit vids.

Then there's your Lizzie Bardsley's :shock:

It does take some doing to keep it off and then there's people like my brother's mate who drink for England and are stick thin - genetics.

I'll have to just keep my running and footy up 3 times a week. :eek:

[snappel]

NO - the smoking ban cannot be reasonably compared to this. The smoking ban was for the benefit of non-smokers, not those who decided to destroy their own health with cigarettes.

[Libertarian]

What has the weight of people got to do with the state?

This country is becoming like a totalitarian nightmare. First smoking now every night you put the news on and your getting how much we drink! If I want a bloody drink I will have one without feeling guilty for it. We Brits work harder and longer than the rest of the Europeans no wonder we need a bloody drink at the weekend! We heard how council tenants shouldnt smoke in their own kens Now we are being discouraged from home drinking well I will do what I want within the law in my own house! Next it will be health warnings on alcohol,I know it is bad for you in the long term but so are a lot of things I don't particularly want to see a rotted liver on a bottle of Becks.

Now it is weight and we are getting health warnings on foods, sorry I have got to eat and if I choose not to exercise I dont see why a moral judgement should be made against me.

[PhilipG]

If I have to run on a treadmill every day and eat only "healthy" food (ie, no cheese), I don't want to live the 9 extra years it's going to give me.
I'd rather go a lot earlier, and stay happy.

[Libertarian]

If I have to run on a treadmill every day and eat only "healthy" food (ie, no cheese), I don't want to live the 9 extra years it's going to give me.
I'd rather go a lot earlier, and stay happy.

I have often thought that you dont drink smoke or eat 'unhealthy' food and you live a couple of years more. Big Deal. Anyway my Gran is 94 and has smoked heavilly since she was about 15. I want pictures of her on cigarette packets to disprove that smoking is bad for you.

[Cadfael]

If I have to run on a treadmill every day and eat only "healthy" food (ie, no cheese), I don't want to live the 9 extra years it's going to give me.
I'd rather go a lot earlier, and stay happy.

It's your body so fair play but what happens to the time when you have a heart attack. Would you expect the NHS to fund a bed for you and all the aftercare just because you've not looked after yourself?

[PhilipG]

It's your body so fair play but what happens to the time when you have a heart attack. Would you expect the NHS to fund a bed for you and all the aftercare just because you've not looked after yourself?

Don't assume I don't look after myself because I like cheese and don't like treadmills (Didn't they used to be a Victorian punishment?).

[Steven]

This should have been put on my health thread ?


I walk to town from the Dingle a few times a week. ( I now follow Philip's route along Sefton Street.) If I have a lot of shopping, then I jump a Number 4 to Cockburn Street. Otherwise, I walk back.

Bro Cad, I respect what you are doing on the 'Pound the Ground Machine' and I understand the reason for you doing this.

To each his/her own.


Steven Paul

[Cadfael]

Don't assume I don't look after myself because I like cheese and don't like treadmills (Didn't they used to be a Victorian punishment?).


I hope so Phil, I've lost many friends though not looking after themselves and they've passed away far too young.

[Cadfael]

This should have been put on my health thread ?


I walk to town from the Dingle a few times a week. ( I now follow Philip's route along Sefton Street.) If I have a lot of shopping, then I jump a Number 4 to Cockburn Street. Otherwise, I walk back.

Bro Cad, I respect what you are doing on the 'Pound the Ground Machine' and I understand the reason for you doing this.

To each his/her own.


Steven Paul

It does me good because I need to lose the weight after I put it on with my steriods. What you don't realise is that by being overweight isn't just down to bad cholestrol and the like, you are working your heart twice as much when you are overweight and that is why more people die from a heart attack than actually a poor diet.

But being healthy and fit is no guarentee that you're safe. I went down like a pack of cards over a simple virus and back then I was cycling 10 miles a day.

I think I'll have a cheese butty and see you all in my nightmares :)

[Steven]

I think I'll have a cheese butty and see you all in my nightmares , Said Bro Cad.

Hope I won't be there ? When I met you then you were biking it everywhere, but Bro, we have to give into the demands, made upon us by our bodies. OK ! You have had a rough deal. Isn't time to be kind to yourself ?

[Howie]

http://www.sochealth.co.uk/news/OBESE.JPG (http://www.nationalobesityforum.org.uk/)

[Howie]

A special health commission set up in Liverpool to tackle a deprivation epidemic has unveiled innovative proposals aimed at tackling poor health.

More (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2007/10/18/fat-tax-to-cure-city-s-poor-health-record-64375-19968688/)...

[Ged]

There are 2 sides to this and I can see both.

The NHS are refusing operations on certain obese people (hips, knees etc) because they believe the outcome won't be 100% satisfactory so it's not worth it unless the patients are willing to try and better themselves in the first place.

I don't agree with the BMI (body mass index) scaling because it's a height to weight ratio and it was proven that 6 foot, 18 stone rugby players who were given a grossly obese reading were a lot fitter than many 5 foot ten 11 stone people (and if they weren't - who was going to tell them)

Any health I get out of my fitness regime is purely incidental as I actually enjoy the sports I undertake so i'm lucky I suppose. Endorphins are released from the brain during exercise and the feel good factor after a good hot shower when your body is warming down and the feeling of wellbeing is well worth it.

For those though with ilnesses and genetic weight problems, there genuinely isn't much they can do and living and eating healthily if they can't exercise is a must, not just for living to old age but to living to middle age.

[Waterways]

There are people with thyroid problems, etc. However these people are few and far between - many obese people have tried to justify to me that they are that way because of problems other than them over eating. One said to me once, "I have always been fat". I replied, "so you have always over eaten then". Most tell themselves lies and believe them.

I reality if many of these obese people just changed their diet to a healthy one, without processed food they would loose weight. Combine that with eating less, the most important, and exercise and the weight will drop off. In the supermarket line. Look at the baskets of the fat ones. That tells you a lot.

As one top doctor said, "in countries with food shortages, you never see fat people".

[lindylou]

Don't assume I don't look after myself because I like cheese and don't like treadmills (Didn't they used to be a Victorian punishment?).

Philip, my stepfather loves cheese. He couldn't give it up - he doesn't have a sweet tooth and doesn't eat any cakes or sweets at all - he just has cheese :)

[lindylou]

What has the weight of people got to do with the state?

This country is becoming like a totalitarian nightmare. First smoking now every night you put the news on and your getting how much we drink! If I want a bloody drink I will have one without feeling guilty for it. We Brits work harder and longer than the rest of the Europeans no wonder we need a bloody drink at the weekend!



yeah ! Brits work longer hours than anywhere else - we deserve a break !

The occassional glass of wine and a ciggie is some people's only pleasure.

[lindylou]

I have often thought that you dont drink smoke or eat 'unhealthy' food and you live a couple of years more. Big Deal. Anyway my Gran is 94 and has smoked heavilly since she was about 15. I want pictures of her on cigarette packets to disprove that smoking is bad for you.



sorry to repeat an earlier post - but it does remind me of this :
I was reading about a 120 year old French woman who gave up smoking at the age of 94!
( probably 'cos she couldn't remember where she put them ! ha! ) :unibrow:

ha,ha :)

[Ged]

Pictures of exceptions to the rule on ciggy packets wouldn't outweight those who die directly of or of the many complications of smoking. Look at coal fire chimney flues to see how it stands to reason that that's how your throat and lungs will look. Many people spend hours preening themselves to look good on the outside but a mini with a rolls royce engine is better than the other way around.

[Waterways]

What has the weight of people got to do with the state?


The state is paying the medical bills that invariably results. These obese people are clogging the NHS, when proper needly people are being denied.



This country is becoming like a totalitarian nightmare.


It isn't.



First smoking


I have the right not to be subject to poisonous smoke.



now every night you put the news on and your getting how much we drink!


A health warning. Very responsible of the authorities.



We heard how council tenants shouldnt smoke in their own kens


What is a ken?



Next it will be health warnings on alcohol,I know it is bad for you in the long term but so are a lot of things


So two wrongs make a right then in your mind.



Now it is weight and we are getting health warnings on foods, sorry I have got to eat and if I choose not to exercise I dont see why a moral judgement should be made against me.

Get fat and lazy then.

[Ged]

I think there should be easier to follow calorific/additive disclosures on all food in a simpler one method for all style instead of the way they try to hide it or make it very small to read in different formats at the moment. Perhaps colour coded too for the elders and partially sighted. I agree we have to know what we're eating or any old rubbish could be on the shelves which is a danger for those of young age particularly and once on the threadmill to ruin so to speak.....

[lindylou]

I can see all sides of the issue.

I am glad that the government is taking the nation's health seriously.
Alcohol abuse, binge drinking and obesity is not a good thing.
There are far too many alcoholics especially in L'pool. I have certainly noticed an increase during the last few years.
The problem does need to be addressed.
The other thing to remember is that our food has been so mass produced and messed with, it is full of fat, salt and chemicals, no wonder some people find it difficult to control what goes into their bodies.

- but I am just delighted that the anti-smoking brigade, who ganged up and had daggers drawn on smokers, are going to get their turn to be hounded. Ha ! :evil:
It was on the news last night that, 'fatty foods are the new tobacco' and is actually more of a problem.


The smoking ban has encouraged me to give up - which is good, and I don't mind as long as others fall into line too and give up their vices. :unibrow:

[John(Zappa)]

sorry to repeat an earlier post - but it does remind me of this :
I was reading about a 120 year old French woman who gave up smoking at the age of 94!
( probably 'cos she couldn't remember where she put them ! ha! ) :unibrow:

ha,ha :)

On another "abitmore" serious note...
My mum died of cancer.Firstly it was in her left lung.The lung was removed.
The it started in the next one.My mum was a smoker all her life.
When she died of cancer we found out that it was not smoke related.

[lindylou]

I'm sorry to hear about your mum John.

[John(Zappa)]

Thank you :PDT_Aliboronz_11:Lindylou.

[Waterways]

- but I am just delighted that the anti-smoking brigade, who ganged up and had daggers drawn on smokers, are going to get their turn to be hounded. Ha ! :evil:

I don't smoke, never have and I am not fat. Millions like me too.

[PhilipG]

Pictures of exceptions to the rule on ciggy packets wouldn't outweight those who die directly of or of the many complications of smoking. Look at coal fire chimney flues to see how it stands to reason that that's how your throat and lungs will look. Many people spend hours preening themselves to look good on the outside but a mini with a rolls royce engine is better than the other way around.

Would the Mini then be Obese? :)

[Kev]

OBESITY and the rising problems associated with overweight affecting thousands of Liverpool school-age children has now reached epidemic proportions, city councillors were told last night. Read (http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2007/10/23/child-obesity-blackspots-reveal-extent-of-epidemic-64375-19992829/)

Does anyone see a difference with kids on the street, are more of them obese?

[Ged]

- but I am just delighted that the anti-smoking brigade, who ganged up and had daggers drawn on smokers, are going to get their turn to be hounded. Ha ! :evil:
It was on the news last night that, 'fatty foods are the new tobacco' and is actually more of a problem.




That's only assuming that all non smokers are fat though and all smokers are thin - clearly a huge generalisation and not what I see :unibrow:

[snappel]

Natural Selection needs a kickstart! Let's introduce some wild beasts into the town centre and see who manages to run away!

[ladyjane]

my sister-in-law is 32 stone,what she eats in one sitting would feed me and my son for 4 days. she doesnt work anymore she has chronic chest problems,she can barely walk, her dog is so over weight its cruel to see him like he is. she blames steriods as well for her obesity when all of her family know its her eating habbits.i dont think people realise that when you get to such a weight there are loads of other afflictions that go with being overweight. she cant wipe her self when she has been to the loo,she has perminant thrush under her boobs and in the folds of her thighs she has moles in the folds where her chin rests on her chest and yet she refuses to diet or even change her eating habbit,she has been told that when she has a stroke or a heart attack it will be fatal.she has a family but her food comes before everything else.so think on if your weight is going up just how much people suffer being over weight

[Waterways]

my sister-in-law is 32 stone,what she eats in one sitting would feed me and my son for 4 days. she doesnt work anymore

How does she afford the money to eat all this food if she can't work?

What she needs is throwing in prison, or a similar type of secure place, and being forcible dieted for her own good..

[Ged]

It would appear to be a food addiction. This is notably harder to kick than alcohol or ciggies which are not life dependable as food is. There is a mental block here that needs addressing. I'm afraid the minute I see myself even possibly putting weight on, I do something about it as it's clearly easier to nip it in the bud than to let it get out of hand in the first place. I know with a naturally slowing metabolism as you get older that exercise is a must just to stand still as it were.

[ladyjane]

her and her hubby worked for the NHS for many years and are on a good pension there morgage is paid off so they dont have any big debts to pay out.she even asked my hubby to paint all of her house inside and out for 100 pounds so she can save money to buy more food,its soul destroying watching her eat because you know what the outcome is going to be. she is only 60 years old,her hubby is the same he is obese as well they have a lot of money and loads of time on their hands sdo eating is their only pleasure

[Max]

Natural Selection needs a kickstart! Let's introduce some wild beasts into the town centre and see who manages to run away!

Put some squirrels down their pants to see how much they move!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[snappel]

Morbid obesity is proof that some people love some things more than themselves.

[Ged]

Add a nought onto that figure for a whole house inside and out Ladyjane and it'll be doing them a favour too.

[Waterways]

eating is their only pleasure

Pleasure? I would say pastime.

[LunaticLu]

My mate is diabetic and has 4 jabs aday.He's been a diabetic for some years now.Heplays football and excersises.
He is not fat at all.He eats regular so maybe you're just a little idle in your old age eh Drone?

Please note that there is such a thing as insulin resistance. It's not uncommon for some diabetics to react very differently to the same dosage of insulin. Insulin resistance is sometimes genetic. Also 4 jabs here, 4 jabs there don't necessarily mean they have each the same dosage, just that it's distributed in 4 shots over the course of a day.

[Howie]

Dawn checks fat campaign
Nov 24 2007
by Helen Hunt, Liverpool Echo

PUBLIC health minister Dawn Primaralo MP was in Liverpool to see how the city is tackling its obesity problem.

The minister was shown the Specialist Weight Management Clinic at the city centre-based Ropewalks practice.

So far the clinic has seen three-quarters of its visitors lose weight.

Liverpool’s public health director Dr Paula Grey said: “People in Liverpool live three years less than the national average and nearly a quarter have a long term illness”.

Source: Liverpool Echo (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2007/11/24/dawn-checks-fat-campaign-100252-20154095/)

[Ged]

Well when I once accompanied my mate to weight-watchers. The trainer there told a lesbian that 'you are what you eat'

'Are you calling me a cun*' she asked.

[John(Zappa)]

HAHAHAHA
GED STRIKES AGAIN!!:PDT_Piratz_26: