:disgust: Yesterday, Saturday 14, April 2007, I watched all the North American newscasts and the BBC America and Canada news, also the German news DW International. Every bulletin mentioned the running of the "Grand National horse race at Aintree, Liverpool". All but one that is. The BBC America and BBC Canada, essentialy the same news, told viewers that the Grand National was run at "Aintree, North West England". The BBC is fond of eliminating the word 'LIVERPOOL' from it's broadcasts and replacing it with some generic location that only really exists in the minds of the producers at the BBC "regional" headquarters in Manchester. We seen this when the Open Championship was played at Royal Liverpool Golf Club when we even had a BBC announcer describe it as "Royal Hoylake". Likewise Royal Birkdale, Southport, Merseyside is, according to the BBC, located in the same vacinity as were they locate Aintree, i.e. North West England.

It is also interesting to note that Liverpool is the only major English city whose local BBC radio outlet is not named after the city. Radio "LIVERPOOL" carries the name 'Radio Merseyside'. The name LIVERPOOL is a world brand as recognisable as McDonalds, Coca~Cola, Shell, Ford or British Airways, Merseyside is virtually unknown outside of the Liverpool city region. I refuse to believe that this, eliminating of the brand name LIVERPOOL by the Manchester headquarted BBC Northwest, is anything but a deliberate attempt to diminish the name and thus the influence of LIVERPOOL in favour of the English provincial city of Manchester which has pretensions of becoming the capital of the future "Northwest Regional Assembly". Another thing which points to this is that whenever anything is newsworthy from Manchester, like cricket from Old Trafford, it is firmly located in Manchester but even the round the world clipper yatch race, according to the BBC, finished on the River Mersey in North West England.

Rant over.:disgust:

Rant read and understood Sloyne. Thanks for the post.

Well ranted, Sloyne. Thanks.

Chris

You've been watching Granada TV again ain't ya :handclap: :)

A very good rant it was as well. There is no argument against it. The BBC resnet anything that may be positive about Liverpool.

You've been watching Granada TV again ain't ya :handclap: :) No, we can't get Grenada or ITV in North America.

Yes, a well said rant Sloyne :handclap:

It really annoys me too. :disgust:

Maybe we should start one of these
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/

what do you think, we could ask other members on other Liverpool sites?

No, we can't get Grenada or ITV in North America.

This is a pay service for Brit Tv.
There is a week free trial before signing up for it.

http://www.liveuktv.com/google.asp

I get all I want from UKnova.com free usually about 6 hours after transmission, but up to 2 days, doesn't matter to me though, I'm patient. :)

I just downloaded a series called 'Merseybeat', seems like rubbish so far though, I'll watch a couple more episodes to see if it improves.

Shy

The Merseybeat series was shot in and around Widnes a few years back.
The Police Station set was the offices of the now defunct 'Walkers Crisps' factory in Widnes.

:lol: the wife tells me it does get better. She enjoyed it:rolleyes:

Phredd

Maybe we should start one of these
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/

what do you think, we could ask other members on other Liverpool sites?
Every forum I'm on has two or three of these posted each week. Is it a new craze or something?

"Oh Mr PM, it's not fair, nobody uses our city name and everyone prefers Manchester."

I don't think so. All sounds a bit 'conspiracy theory' to me.

Shy

The Merseybeat series was shot in and around Widnes a few years back.
The Police Station set was the offices of the now defunct 'Walkers Crisps' factory in Widnes.

:lol: the wife tells me it does get better. She enjoyed it:rolleyes:

Phredd

Ta Phredd, I've got 10 episodes, I'll persevere with it, the second was better than the first so that's a good sign.:)

Every forum I'm on has two or three of these posted each week. Is it a new craze or something?

"Oh Mr PM, it's not fair, nobody uses our city name and everyone prefers Manchester."

I don't think so. All sounds a bit 'conspiracy theory' to me.

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Okay.. the rant is appreciated.. but here in the USA.. when people say Merseyside.. I rightoff think Liverpool...
:snf (41): YES, just why not call it by its name...? Is is quite a big area to say the least....
Yet.... I never never think Manchester??? People think of the Mersey in Liverpool.. NOT Manchester... at least I do... lol:handclap:

Okay.. the rant is appreciated.. but here in the USA.. when people say Merseyside.. I rightoff think Liverpool... That's you, who probably originated in Liverpool. Try asking your American neighbours what is the location of Merseyside. I don't know of one North American who can give the location of Merseyside, they all know where Liverpool is and are surprised to find out that Merseyside is Liverpool's metropolitan area.

When I was in business I sponsored the English Pavilion in the annual Carabram Festival in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. Carabram is a festival of cultures celebrating the diversity of Brampton's population. We distributed a questionair asking people to name five English cities and offered a two week trip for two to England which included airfare, hotel and $2500.00CAD spending money. The returned questionairs were put in a drum and those lucky enough had to answer, by Ontario law, a skill testing question? The question was; What English city is located in Merseyside. The failure rate, even among ex-pat Brits was phenominal and Canadians have a greater affinity to the UK than do Americans, also Canadians are better educated than their southern cousins.

For christ sake. So Liverpool was'nt mentioned, so effin what. If a murder or a robbery had taken place in Aintree and not mentioned Liverpool would you still be this uptight?

Aintree is known as the home of the Grand National and borders onto Maghull, Skelmersdale and Ormskirk. But them places don't get a mention.

This is why other cities and comedians take the p*ss out of Scousers who take things so serious.l

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That's you, who probably originated in Liverpool. Try asking your American neighbours what is the location of Merseyside. I don't know of one North American who can give the location of Merseyside, they all know where Liverpool is and are surprised to find out that Merseyside is Liverpool's metropolitan area.

Can I say on naked lilacs behalf, Sloyne. She did not originate from Liverpool but was in fact born in California. She has travelled extensively throughout the Merseyside region and has made Liverpool her spiritual home.
I was in the US of A for a couple of months last year and most of the Americans I met were well informed as to the location of Merseyside.

For christ sake. So Liverpool was'nt mentioned, so effin what. If a murder or a robbery had taken place in Aintree and not mentioned Liverpool would you still be this uptight?

Aintree is known as the home of the Grand National and borders onto Maghull, Skelmersdale and Ormskirk. But them places don't get a mention.

This is why other cities and comedians take the p*ss out of Scousers who take things so serious.l

Why shouldnt this be taken so seriously, its not as if its just an isolated incident. The issue here is about the Manchester based BBC and their persistent refusal to ackowledge anything positive about our city and long running campaign to completely undermine it. As sloyne said, every other broadcaster mentioned Aintree, Liverpool, but the BBC, as it so often does, changed the geography to stop our city getting some attention.

:disgust: Even the BBC weather maps always show Birmingham and Manchester but tend to treat Liverpool as if it were a leper colony.

Granada News last night actually mentioned the word 'Liverpool' in its Aintree review, I think they said the 'Liverpool Race' or something similar.

On Saturday morning's 'Saturday Kitchen' there was a feature from Liverpool so there is some hope.

That's you, who probably originated in Liverpool. Try asking your American neighbours what is the location of Merseyside. I don't know of one North American who can give the location of Merseyside, they all know where Liverpool is and are surprised to find out that Merseyside is Liverpool's metropolitan area.

When I was in business I sponsored the English Pavilion in the annual Carabram Festival in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. Carabram is a festival of cultures celebrating the diversity of Brampton's population. We distributed a questionair asking people to name five English cities and offered a two week trip for two to England which included airfare, hotel and $2500.00CAD spending money. The returned questionairs were put in a drum and those lucky enough had to answer, by Ontario law, a skill testing question? The question was; What English city is located in Merseyside. The failure rate, even among ex-pat Brits was phenominal and Canadians have a greater affinity to the UK than do Americans, also Canadians are better educated than their southern cousins.

:snf (41): Your last quote:' Canadians are better educated than their southern cousins..' Sounds like you are very bias in your thinking.. and it is a very shallow way of thinking... Remember mate.. The British came here to MY island HAWAII.. and took over a beautiful civilization.. The British made home in many States besides mine.. The Beatles made MERSEYSIDE known as Liverpool to many many many.. who otherwise would of just NOT known.. so, believe me.. MANY people know of Merseyside here.. Thanks Steven for your uplifting ON MY BEHALF... ta ra

I dont know why I remember this so vividly, I was 16 or 17 at the time and it was around when I began to suspect the media had a bias towrds Manchester and maybe this just confirmed it.

It was when Rick Astley went to number one with Never Gonna Give You Up. Rick was from Newton Le Willows,which is in Merseyside. He was doing a signing session or something in a Manchester record store and on the hourly BBC regional new round up they did a feature and at the end of the show the presenter said "and here's a reminder of the latest number one - Manchester's own Rick Astley". In the next bulletin the presenter then made an apology "I'm sorry for referring to Rick Astley as being from Manchester, we did of course mean to say he was from Greater Manchester".

I didnt stick around long enough to see if the error was corrected later, I was just so livid and boycotted BBC's regional news for months afterwards!

Birmingham and Manchester are the next most important (and largest?) cities after London - is it really a surprise that they're on the map? Should the inhabitants of every city that isn't on the map complain? This is like people crying 'rascists!' just because there isn't a black guy in the brochure.

Why take it so personally? I think Liverpool's a great city. Who cares what the BBC think?

We seem to have 2 separate issues here.
There is a valid point about North West Today and Granada Reports featuring Manchester first, but that's because they're based in Manchester.

Regarding the Grand National.
I'm sure everybody in the world knows it comes from Aintree, Liverpool.

Incidently, does anybody know how many horses had to be put down this year?

I meant they were of more economical importance to the country.

The 19th Century phrase is good, but not really relevant anymore.

I know the Roger Phillips phone in on BBC Radio Merseyside has received many calls on the issue of the radio station name but apparantly, because it's listened to by people in St. Helens and Southport etc, they would be upset if it just carried the name Liverpool and not Merseyside. However, it also has listeners in Widnes and Hale (Cheshire) Ormskirk and Skelmersdale (West Lancs) and even North Wales so why are'nt they upset then. Perhaps a wider advert like 'BBC Radio Merseyside, broadcasting from the heart of Liverpool' is more acceptable to some then - me, couldn't care less really. I love Liverpool and if others don't, it's their loss.

Has anyone noticed too that if anything bad happens in Liverpool they LOVE to report it as much as possible? No one seems to care that we actually have one of the lowest crime rates in the UK (of a city that is). They like to make us look like a dump, and they do resent having to say anything good comes from liverpool. I would quite like to start an official protest towards the BBC against this...my only problem is if I do this they will never employ me as a radio presenter.

[B]I was in the US of A for a couple of months last year and most of the Americans I met were well informed as to the location of Merseyside. I live here and have done for more than 40 years and take issue with the above statement. Even the venerable National Geographic Society acknowledges the woeful lack of geographical knowledge of it's fellow citizens. They, the NGS, even found teachers in such lofty institutions as Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Notre Dame et al., who couldn't even identify the USA on a blank map, sans political borders.

The NGS in conjunction with the PBS network here in the US have a joint, ongoing, project to elevate Americans geographical knowledge.

Here's a little anecdote; George W Bush, when told that Iraq's religious divisions consisted of Shi'ite, Sunni and Kurd commented that he thought "only Muslims lived in Iraq". And George W Bush was educated at Harvard. Just goes to show that a degree from Harvard doesn't make you smart.:)

Incidently, does anybody know how many horses had to be put down this year? None.

:snf (41): Your last quote:' Canadians are better educated than their southern cousins..' Sounds like you are very bias in your thinking.. and it is a very shallow way of thinking... Remember mate.. The British came here to MY island HAWAII.. and took over a beautiful civilization.. Yes, I am biased, with reason and this is like "pride with reason is no sin". Also, your knowledge of history is quite suspect at best, revisionist at worst. Yes, indeed, it was the British sailor, James Cook, who was the first European to land in the Kingdom of Hawaii but, it was the decendants of New England (American) missionaries who convinced the US government to annex the country in 1889, deposing Queen Lililuokalani and confiscating, for their own use, the best land on the islands in the process. Hawaiians are in the present situation, not because of James Cook, who, incidentally, was killed by Hawaiians on the "Big Island" on February 14, 1779, but the greed of American missionary settlers. After the Captain Cook killing incident Britain made it's peace with the Hawaiians and Hawaii adopted the Union Flag as part of it's national flag as a token of peace and esteem. This same flag is today the state flag of Hawaii. The British never did establish a colony nor did it, Britain, make any claims on the territory of the Kingdom of Hawaii but treated and traded with Hawaii and Hawaiians as an independent nation. Hawaiians, not unlike the First Nation people on the American mainland are now a minority and mainly landless and confined to the margins of society in their own land.

Yes, I am biased, with reason and this is like "pride with reason is no sin". Also, your knowledge of history is quite suspect at best, revisionist at worst. Yes, indeed, it was the British sailor, James Cook, who was the first European to land in the Kingdom of Hawaii but, it was the decendants of New England (American) missionaries who convinced the US government to annex the country in 1889, deposing Queen Lililuokalani and confiscating, for their own use, the best land on the islands in the process. Hawaiians are in the present situation, not because of James Cook, who, incidentally, was killed by Hawaiians on the "Big Island" on February 14, 1779, but the greed of American missionary settlers. After the Captain Cook killing incident Britain made it's peace with the Hawaiians and Hawaii adopted the Union Flag as part of it's national flag as a token of peace and esteem. This same flag is today the state flag of Hawaii. The British never did establish a colony nor did it, Britain, make any claims on the territory of the Kingdom of Hawaii but treated and traded with Hawaii and Hawaiians as an independent nation. Hawaiians, not unlike the First Nation people on the American mainland are now a minority and mainly landless and confined to the margins of society in their own land.


Does that bit of historical rhetoric talk you out of your original rude and sweeping statement ? I think Not.

I never regard Hawaii as an American state. Whether it officially is or not.

I don't think of it as American at all. I seems pretty much out of place to call it so. It doesn't seem connected to America - culturally at least .. but having said that, I hear reports that it has become very 'Americanised' - shame. :(
I'm sure it is a beautiful place and has fallen into the clutches of commercialism. Places lose their culture to the commercialism of Big Macs and suchlike.

Does that bit of historical rhetoric.Correction, historical fact.

PS: The thread was started to illustrate the air brushing by pruducers at the BBC Manchester headquartes of anything positive regarding Liverpool. As for revisionist history, I suggest we start another thread.

Liverpool is in Merseyside. Manchester is in Greater Manchester. Therefore when they refer to Manchester, they often mean Greater Manchester. When a news story is written about events in Greater Manchester, this is often shortened to Manchester.

Why do people in Liverpool feel so threatened by Manchester?

Liverpool is in Merseyside. Manchester is in Greater Manchester. Therefore when they refer to Manchester, they often mean Greater Manchester. When a news story is written about events in Greater Manchester, this is often shortened to Manchester.

Why do people in Liverpool feel so threatened by Manchester?


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Why shouldnt this be taken so seriously, its not as if its just an isolated incident. The issue here is about the Manchester based BBC and their persistent refusal to ackowledge anything positive about our city and long running campaign to completely undermine it. As sloyne said, every other broadcaster mentioned Aintree, Liverpool, but the BBC, as it so often does, changed the geography to stop our city getting some attention.


You really think theres a plot within the BBC to make Liverpool look inferior to Manchester? By saying 'Grand National in Aintree'?

The phrase 'Making Mountains out of Molehills' spring to mind.

Why do people in Liverpool feel so threatened by Manchester? I didn't know they did. I think you will find it is the opposite, that Mancunians feel threatened by Liverpool. Liverpool is the second most recognised English city, after London. Liverpool's name is as recognised as McDonald, Coca~Cola, Shell etc. The Liverpool news byline appears, annually, for the Grand National and frequently stages the Golf Open Championship, it is the birthplace of the world most popular rock group and the most succesful football team in England. The Royal Liverpool Childrens Infirmary (Alder Hey) is world reknowned, and it's fame was elevated even further when the American actress, Angelina Jolei, chose the hospital to care for her adopted child. The 'Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine' is also world famouse and generates lots of positive press and yet, in a recent BBC World News item on the defoliation of the Amazon rain forest, it, BBC, chose to focus a major segment on a Cyprus registered freighter loading grain "for delivery to the port City of Liverpool". On investgating I found that the grain was to be transhipped to a specialised oil mill in Manchester. The contribution of the LSTM in helping irradicate leprosy in the area was noted as ]"scientist at a north west English research facility into tropical deseases"[/I].

When the IRA planted a bomb in the fast food restaurant (McDonalds I think) in Warrington, the BBC reported it as "Warrington, near Liverpool". However, when the government announced the extention of a industrial/science park in Warrington it was then located in Greater Manchester.

Just who feels threatened by who?

Well the fact people think the BBC Manchester is trying to downplay Liverpool suggest they feel threatened.

You really think theres a plot within the BBC to make Liverpool look inferior to Manchester? By saying 'Grand National in Aintree'?

The phrase 'Making Mountains out of Molehills' spring to mind.

if it was only in the context of Saturdays reports I'd say no, but in the context of the persistent ignorance of the city, I have to say yes I believe there is a plot. The point has been argued many times on this forum before.

Well the fact people think the BBC Manchester is trying to downplay Liverpool suggest they feel threatened. Slighted, maybe. Threatened? Definitely not!

:disgust: Yesterday, Saturday 14, April 2007, I watched all the North American newscasts and the BBC America and Canada news, also the German news DW International. Every bulletin mentioned the running of the "Grand National horse race at Aintree, Liverpool". All but one that is. The BBC America and BBC Canada, essentialy the same news, told viewers that the Grand National was run at "Aintree, North West England". The BBC is fond of eliminating the word 'LIVERPOOL' from it's broadcasts and replacing it with some generic location that only really exists in the minds of the producers at the BBC "regional" headquarters in Manchester. We seen this when the Open Championship was played at Royal Liverpool Golf Club when we even had a BBC announcer describe it as "Royal Hoylake". Likewise Royal Birkdale, Southport, Merseyside is, according to the BBC, located in the same vacinity as were they locate Aintree, i.e. North West England.

It is also interesting to note that Liverpool is the only major English city whose local BBC radio outlet is not named after the city. Radio "LIVERPOOL" carries the name 'Radio Merseyside'. The name LIVERPOOL is a world brand as recognisable as McDonalds, Coca~Cola, Shell, Ford or British Airways, Merseyside is virtually unknown outside of the Liverpool city region. I refuse to believe that this, eliminating of the brand name LIVERPOOL by the Manchester headquarted BBC Northwest, is anything but a deliberate attempt to diminish the name and thus the influence of LIVERPOOL in favour of the English provincial city of Manchester which has pretensions of becoming the capital of the future "Northwest Regional Assembly". Another thing which points to this is that whenever anything is newsworthy from Manchester, like cricket from Old Trafford, it is firmly located in Manchester but even the round the world clipper yatch race, according to the BBC, finished on the River Mersey in North West England.

Rant over.:disgust:

Aintree North West England when it comes to the positive, but simply Aintree when it comes to reporting of the yobbish behaviour,with as many references to Merseyside Police as possible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6552879.stm

Aintree North West England when it comes to the positive, but simply Aintree when it comes to reporting of the yobbish behaviour,with as many references to Merseyside Police as possible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/6552879.stm

Really nitpicking now, Merseyside Police released the statement, hence they were mentioned.

This reminds me of the white people/black people salvaging/looting newspaper headlines with Hurricane Katrina. Coincidental isolated events taken out of context to make some kind of point.

I don't think for a minute that the BBC are trying to hide Liverpool away or make it look crap. Their website has loads of excellent features regarding this city.

Just my opinion, of course...

I don't think for a minute that the BBC are trying to hide Liverpool away or make it look crap. Their website has loads of excellent features regarding this city.

Just my opinion, of course... Then lets all hope they, BBC Manchester, don't try to "hide Liverpool away", because if they do the city will surely disapear down some grid in Chorlton.:)

This reminds me of the white people/black people salvaging/looting newspaper headlines with Hurricane Katrina. Coincidental isolated events taken out of context to make some kind of point. But the footage, coincidental and "taken out of context" or not, was reported, extensively, across the airwaves of US network TV. Unbiased reporting? I think not.

Does that bit of historical rhetoric talk you out of your original rude and sweeping statement ? I think Not.

Thanks MariaC

Ya know.. it sure seems nothing Anyone says.. HELPS to make someone see that their is enough PEOPLE in this world that DO know and care about LIVERPOOL.. ta mate... :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

The main problem with BBC North West is that it tries to cover too large an area, from Cumbria to Chester.
Manchester, presumably is their HQ because it's reasonably central to the area.
So, all the presenters live within easy travelling distance of Manchester and they will know their area best, and to paranoid Scousers (like me) there does seem to be a bias towards Manchester and against Liverpool.
But, in reality, it's more to do with laziness than anything else.

I try not to watch ITV, so can't comment on Granada Reports.
(Besides, I never liked Anthony H. Wilson, or whatever he's calling himself these days).

Ya know.. it sure seems nothing Anyone says.. HELPS to make someone see that their is enough PEOPLE in this world that DO know and care about LIVERPOOL.. ta mate... :PDT_Aliboronz_11: Yes Lilac, quite a number of people "care about LIVERPOOL" and some of us spend a lot of our own money supporting and promoting the city. For example, for many years I would sponsor a Liverpool booth at the Carabram Festival and pay, out of my own pocket, for the promotional display from the 'Mersey Partnership' and 'Merseyside Tourism Bureau' to be delivered to Toronto via FedEx. I would also pay for the packaging, insurance and customs brokerage.

I took issue with your statement and inferance that Britain was the cause of what ails "YOUR" Island and was very surprised that you, as a resident of that archipeligo, didn't know the history of the islands. Having lived in the state myself for awhile and visited most of the islands from Midway in the west to Hawaii in the east, I like to think I know a bit about the state and it's history. I know for a fact that the tour guides at the Royal Palace in Honolulu, when asked about the American annexation of the Kingdom, will reply, smugly, with reference to the British-New Zealand situation as if two wrongs make a right.

I am sorry if you took offence to having your knowledge of the history of "YOUR" state corrected but, if it was I being corrected and learning the truth, I would thank him/her who had given me the correct information. Or for that matter my, as you put it, "bias" as to Canadians being better educated than Americans. This is also the opinion of UNESCO where, by the way, I got my information.

Now what, I wonder, can I take from your reply, above, to MariaC's critiscism of my original reply to your submission?:)

This article appeared in today's Monday 16, April 2007 Guardian newspaper. Comments please?
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,2058077,00.html

This article appeared in today's Monday 16, April 2007 Guardian newspaper. Comments please?
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,2058077,00.html

Makes a lot of good points in that article. I do cringe when you hear hosts saying things like 'the great scouse sense of humour' or 'only in Liverpool could this happen' and so on. But at the same time, covering an event for radio or television, you got to build it up. So the presenters hes criticising were just doing there job.

Plus there is nothing wrong with people praising Liverpool or the city itself. Plenty of people who visited say that they were welcomed. Which is not patronising us.

:disgust: Even the BBC weather maps always show Birmingham and Manchester but tend to treat Liverpool as if it were a leper colony.

BBC Weather Map (http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/ukweather/)

Top cities by population:
London
Birmingham
Leeds
Glasgow
Sheffield
Bradford
Liverpool
Edinburgh
Manchester
Bristol
(source (http://www.citymayors.com/gratis/uk_topcities.html))

So only two of the 10 largest cities appear on this BBC map. Doesn't look like Liverpool is being singled out to me, at least not here.

It always bugs me that the "Mathew Street Festival" hardly gets a mention on Granada TV news. I believe it's now the largest "FREE" musical festival in Europe.

It always bugs me that the "Mathew Street Festival" hardly gets a mention on Granada TV news. I believe it's now the largest "FREE" musical festival in Europe. What bugs me even more is that it is named "The Matthew Street Festival". Who but the most avid Beatles fans would know were Mathew Street is located and it's relationship to the Cavern or the Beatles? Why not name it 'The Beatles Festival'? Whenever I see reference to the festival in North American media it is always called 'The Beatles Festival'. Sometimes I think Liverpool is ashamed of the Beatles, it certainly doesn't, IMHO, exploit the connection to the fullest.

It always bugs me that the "Mathew Street Festival" hardly gets a mention on Granada TV news. I believe it's now the largest "FREE" musical festival in Europe.

That really gets my goat that. Especially when all that they do feature on the national news in the bloody Nottinghill Carnival on the same weekend!!!!

Notting Hill Carnival and Matthew Street Festival aren't exactly the same thing though... plenty of cities have things important to them that we don't hear about.

Notting Hill Carnival and Matthew Street Festival aren't exactly the same thing though... plenty of cities have things important to them that we don't hear about.

What world wide phenomenon is the Nottinghill Fest cerebrating for it to receive a silly amount of coverage on Sky?

go on the BBC news site, type in mathew street festival and it gives you plenty of coverage of last years events, including photos.

What more do you want.

go on the BBC news site, type in mathew street festival and it gives you plenty of coverage of last years events, including photos.

What more do you want.

Coverage on national tv, positive coverage, especially during 2007/ 2008.

Coverage on national tv, positive coverage, especially during 2007/ 2008.


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Well got to wait nearer the time for that to happen. Usually is positive.