Forgotten/Closed off Streets

[DaisyChains]

Hi all
This is my first proper post so be gentle!

I was going down by Grafton St/Sefton St today and I have been thinking for a few weeks, there are alot of little side streets down there, some blocked off. E.g Crow Street.

I took 2 pics but they are a bit dark, so sorry about that.

Perry Street(1) and Crow St (2) the railings one.

I wondered if anyone else knew of any such streets?

[Gnomie]

Hi Daisychains

Welcome to the Forum:)

A few streets off Kensington like that.

This is where my family lived off Scotland Road.

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/houses/kewstreet.jpg

Kew Street. i was made up when i saw it in the A-Z. legged it up there only to find it like that:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13

Still the cobbles are still there:PDT11

[Kev]

Hi DaisyChains, a great post, thanks. Don't forget to turn the images around :PDT11

[scouserdave]

Daisy, great idea for a thread:PDT11
I know there's a few off West Derby Road near Phredd's end.

[taffy]

Excellent idea for a thread. Plevna St has always interested me. It was a short blind ended street off Dingle Mount. It's still there but now used as the entrance to the Liverpool City Mission Church on Dingle Mount. It still has its original rough cobbled surface. See

http://www.toxteth.net/maps/liverpool/lpool6d.htm

and

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/general/dingle%20mount.htm

Plevna St is named after a Balkan City whose fall led the Turks to call for an armistice in the Russian Turkish war of the 1870s ( source Steve Horton: Street Names of the City of Liverpool)

[AntiPathos]

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5807/nbookstew5.th.jpg (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nbookstew5.jpg)

Part of one of the stubs of Northbrook Street left where it intersects with Granby Street, L8. Northbrook Street used to run from Kingsley Road through to Princes Avenue (where there's also a similar stub of it still remaining).

And here it is in an old A-Z:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8096/nbookstoldmapaw7.th.jpg (http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nbookstoldmapaw7.jpg)

AP.

[PhilipG]

Excellent idea for a thread. Plevna St has always interested me. It was a short blind ended street off Dingle Mount. It's still there but now used as the entrance to the Liverpool City Mission Church on Dingle Mount. It still has its original rough cobbled surface. See

http://www.toxteth.net/maps/liverpool/lpool6d.htm

and

http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/general/dingle%20mount.htm

Plevna St is named after a Balkan City whose fall led the Turks to call for an armistice in the Russian Turkish war of the 1870s ( source Steve Horton: Street Names of the City of Liverpool)


Bosnia, Plevna and Balkan Streets were originally intended to go right across that block and houses at either end of Plevna and Balkan Streets were built (before 1889), but two schools were then built (shown on that 1905 map). One was replaced by the Matthew Arnold School in 1908, so the rest of the houses were never built.
This is from the Ordnance Survey map of 1953.
Note the house numbers.

[iain]

Before the Paradise Project got under way, I didn't realise South John Street went beyond the bus station, it never occurred to me that the tatty road between the Moat House and Chavasse Park was part of it.

Things are different now of course!

[taffy]

Bosnia, Plevna and Balkan Streets were originally intended to go right across that block and houses at either end of Plevna and Balkan Streets were built (before 1889), but two schools were then built (shown on that 1905 map). One was replaced by the Matthew Arnold School in 1908, so the rest of the houses were never built.
This is from the Ordnance Survey map of 1953.
Note the house numbers.

Thanks for the extra info Phil. I was interested to see the large property known as the Church Army Hostel on Dingle Mount. This site is now occupied by Higson's Court, a housing development for both families and elderly people. The last family to occupy the building before it went over to institutional use was one Harmood Banner, the well known 19th C Liverpool accountant. He died in the mid 1860s and by 1871 the building was used as an epileptic hospital. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmood_Banner

[Gnomie]

Our street has been told it will be closed off until 12 pm today:eek:

[DaisyChains]

little April Fools humour gnomie?:unibrow: :)

Brilliant info so far everyone

[Gnomie]

little April Fools humour gnomie?:unibrow: :)

Brilliant info so far everyone

:unibrow:


Have you seen how many of the roads are listed in the A-Z street map?
Like me with the Genealogy study i bet its a shock when people go looking for their ancestors roads and find them blocked off. mind you its still nice to know thats where they where.

[taffy]

Upper Beau St Everton was once quite a long street. Now only a short length still exists. Photos taken a few years ago. the area may have slightly changed since then.

[PhilipG]

Upper Beau St Everton was once quite a long street. Now only a short length still exists. Photos taken a few years ago. the area may have slightly changed since then.

A bit of Beau Street still exists according to my AA Street by Street guide.
The Haymarket Music Hall used to be there.
It later became a cinema but closed about 1915.
I tried to find the spot but found it was covered by Wallworks car showroom.

Kew Street, mentioned earlier, went from Scotland Road to Great Homer Street where it was the site of the Homer cinema.

[Gnomie]

Cheers for the info on Kew street Philip:)

My dad said there was a cimema at the end of the road, i never knew its name.

[drone_pilot]

On a walkabout today saw this one over the road from the Olympic on Derby road. Dunkeld Street

http://www.militaryimages.net/imagehost/images/dronepilot/img0022.jpg

[Gnomie]

Nice pic

Its wierd to think that once that was a busy road with people living their lives. but its nice to see it still marked even if the houses are gone.

[taffy]

Ruby St, Dingle has been truncated to a short length of road alongside the pub. There is a new Ruby Street around the corner. The original Ruby St along with parallel Emerald st and Nestor St have been demolished and the land converted into parkland and a children's play area.

[lindylou]

There are several streets off Breck rd which have had houses demolished and the streets cut short:
Fowler st.
Hunt st.
Bulwer st.
Windermere st.

[chippie]

I remember all those streets lindy when they were long play streets. Twas my old stomping ground:rolleyes: fine job you did on them.

[lindylou]

Yeah, it doesn't seem all that long ago that they were busy streets with families living in them.

[Gnomie]

Really great thread. will have to get me camera out up Kensington. loads there.

[taffy]

This was a short street coming off Cockburn St, Dingle. All that's left are the curb edging stones which now lead to a pathway into Dingle Park. In the background is Homer Street, also truncated but still existing with a street name, albeit unadopted.

[AntiPathos]

Can anyone say if Harrowby Street, L8 is still intact ?

[edwardo]

Hello.Sorry if this is in the wrong spot,but seeing all the old streets i wonderd if anyone knew were or what this address is thanks all.Love this boad.Ted

[Jericho]

Can anyone say if Harrowby Street, L8 is still intact ?

Most of the area off Park Way has been rebuilt since the 70s.

[AntiPathos]

Most of the area off Park Way has been rebuilt since the 70s.

I thought so but I recall driving through that area in 2006 and seeing some v. old houses on what would/should/could have been Harrowby Street but I wasn't 100% sure where I was at the time. They were in a small row by themselves, maybe six or eight old terraced houses. I'm real interested to know if any of the original 2/3 story terraced town houses still exist in that area.

[PhilipG]

Can anyone say if Harrowby Street, L8 is still intact ?

I don't know if it's still intact, but I walked down Granby Street last week and it's still there.
I was checking out Granby Street/Rosebery Street corner, because the Prince's cinema used to be there, and Rosebery Street doesn't exist now, but there is a footpath going through what used to be it.

[taffy]

Derby St off Canterbury St is now just a short piece of road with the once cherished terraced houses long since demolished and not replaced. It is sited in the "under the bridge" area once called perhaps more appropriately "beyond the bridge"

The newer property on Canterbury St abuts onto Derby St and was the site of the Welsh Presbyterian Church's Bethel Chapel Mission Hall

[taffy]

I thought so but I recall driving through that area in 2006 and seeing some v. old houses on what would/should/could have been Harrowby Street but I wasn't 100% sure where I was at the time. They were in a small row by themselves, maybe six or eight old terraced houses. I'm real interested to know if any of the original 2/3 story terraced town houses still exist in that area.

I think just a small stub remains. Attached is a photo of Park Way showing the entrance to Harrowby St on RHS about half way along. Park Way itself has been truncated from its original route from Upper Parliaiment st to Princes Rd

[AntiPathos]

Thanks mate.

[taffy]

All that remains of Dale Street Garston is a short length of road. The houses were cleared in the early 1970s. The road gets its name as it once overlooked the Garston Dingle. This was an attractive valley leading down to the River Mersey from the Church St/ Speke Rd area of Garston.

The wall on the RHS of the photo is the derelict remains of part of the old Blackwell's foundry.

[DaisyChains]

I found 4 streets off Mill Street, L8 that are simply squares now, most with railings at the bottom.

Barclay Street
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/BarclayStreet.jpg

Monro Street
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/MonroStreet.jpg

Stopford Street
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/StopfordStreet.jpg

Whalley Street
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/WhalleyStreet.jpg

Sorry the pics are a little dark. A massive rain cloud came over!

And another little street near Hope Street.

Sugnall Street
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a2/Carrie132/SugnallStreet.jpg

[Kev]

This is an interesting thread, thanks I never even thought about these streets especially the Garston ones.

[taffy]

Most people know South St as the road bounding the south end of the "Welsh Streets" area of Prince's Park. This street is due for demolition. Many many not know that the other half of South Street has already been demolished and the area rebuilt. This part of South St abuts the Queen's Arms on Admiral Street.

[taffy]

This street has become a car park but was once a long street linking Admiral St with Park Rd. The new housing development to replace the "Welsh Streets" has been named after this street.

[Steven]

You can see 'our house' from there. A lot of people from the Welsh Streets have bought a new property in Park Road, opposite to Sommerfield.
How it works, I don't know but several people I know, now own half of their new house.

[Butcher]

Sounds like shared ownership - you buy half the house and rent the other half off a housing association. You can then buy portions of the remainder until you own the whole thing. Makes it easier to get a house for people who don't have enough income to get a big mortgage and buy a house outright.

[eileenshaw]

This road doesn't seem to exist anymore, but I'd be very interested in seeing any old photographs as I believe there were some very grand houses in this road.

Would appreciate any help, advice to find a picture.

[eileenshaw]

Many thanks - I'll try this and will post the photo when I find one.

[drone_pilot]

Saw this on whitefield road next to the Peel pub.

but on closed inspection there seems to be rail tracks embeded in the road, there to small to be a rail/tram track, could be a small track for a works. anyone any ideas.

http://www.militaryimages.net/imagehost/images/dronepilot/mg0043.jpg

http://www.militaryimages.net/imagehost/images/dronepilot/mg0044.jpg

[PhilipG]

Saw this on whitefield road next to the Peel pub.

but on closed inspection there seems to be rail tracks embeded in the road, there to small to be a rail/tram track, could be a small track for a works. anyone any ideas.

http://www.militaryimages.net/imagehost/images/dronepilot/mg0044.jpg

That was the entrance to Barker & Dobson's sweet factory.

[drone_pilot]

That was the entrance to Barker & Dobson's sweet factory.

Thanks for that do you have any images of the Factory

[eileenshaw]

Found photos at the Records Office and am closer to identifying the house I'm looking for, possibly No. 42, but would love to find more photos of this road to be sure it's the right house. Any more ideas would be gratefully received.

[drone_pilot]

Saw this on today, off Breck road, its blocked at both ends and has yellow lines and a no parking sign, do you thing there trying to tell you something?

[oritelad]

what about hodson street the only bit left of it is now been closed off for years it crosses the old waterloo tunnel cutting at fontenoy street

http://www.worldisround.com/photos/28/158/284.jpg

[MerseysideTransportTrust]

The view from my office window.

Name of the street please , answers on a postcard etc!

Rob

[Gerard]

The view from my office window.

Name of the street please , answers on a postcard etc!

Rob

Off Sefton St Rob ?

[MerseysideTransportTrust]

Off Sefton St Rob ?

Nope a bit nearer YOUR area!(HINT look in the background!)

Rob

[toothfairy]

Hi
Does anyone have any information on Clevedon terrace south street toxteth? I am researching my ancestors and they were living here in 1851 but I can only find a Clevedon street
any information would be gratefully received
Thanks
karen

[quincyg]

Hi
Does anyone have any information on Clevedon terrace south street toxteth? I am researching my ancestors and they were living here in 1851 but I can only find a Clevedon street
any information would be gratefully received
Thanks
karen

South St is next to Clevedon St, so it was possibly a block/row of houses called Clevedon Terrace that ran between the 2.

It doesn't show on my 1967 map, and I haven't got an Toxteth OS map yet, I should be getting 1 next week so I'll have a look for you when I get it. Unless someone already has one and can look.

[quincyg]

This was Florist St. One set of my maternal gt grandparents lived there.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1642.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture1643.jpg

I remember the sign still being up a couple of years ago, but didn't know at the time they'd lived there.
They also lived in Lovat St and Mason St.

[quincyg]

Hi
Does anyone have any information on Clevedon terrace south street toxteth? I am researching my ancestors and they were living here in 1851 but I can only find a Clevedon street
any information would be gratefully received
Thanks
karen

got Toxteth OS 1906 map today, but sadly it only goes up the very start of South St and Clevedon St...bummer.

so the full streets will either be on Princess Park 1905 or St Michaels 1908 OS map, neither of which I have.

[phredd]

Saw this on whitefield road next to the Peel pub.

but on closed inspection there seems to be rail tracks embeded in the road, there to small to be a rail/tram track, could be a small track for a works. anyone any ideas.

http://www.militaryimages.net/imagehost/images/dronepilot/mg0043.jpg


Had my first legal drink in the Peel. Threlfalls House IIRC.
Had a Threlfalls Brown Mix.
Lived in Hearwood Street and Granparents lived in Lombard Street.
Nice Chippy oposite the Peel. Jack Garnets. Made plenty of cash feeding the girls from B & D at dinner times.
Phredd

[marky]

Re: Clevedon Terrace:
This is shown on an old map as being just South of the Admiral Street/Devonshire Road junction. It looks to be just South of the Church. Next door to Clevedon Terrace is St. Pauls Terrace. It looks like the end of Clevedon Street was directly opposite it.

[marky]

Re: Clevedon Terrace
I think this is it, but it's hard to see the writing.
Admiral Street/South Street junction:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Clevedon_Terrace_map.jpg

[skgogosfan]

Saw this on today, off Breck road, its blocked at both ends and has yellow lines and a no parking sign, do you thing there trying to tell you something?

Now that looks pretty weird! I wonder if there are many more useless "streets" like that? lol.

Dave.

[quincyg]

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Picture810-1.jpg

[skgogosfan]

Wow-TWO streetlights for such a redundant street! lol. Then again the A-Z says there's a bridge over the canal at the end,so that's probably why!

Dave.

[irishseashipping.com]

Taking this thread a bit beyond the closed / truncated streets - there are some places in Liverpool and the suburbs where one comes across streets / roads which do not look as though they have been completed.

Perhaps the development plans of the early 20th Century did not all come to fruition.

I am just some that come to mind:

The unfinished Hartley Avenue which fades out into a track as it passes the old factory site and crosses the abandoned railway. I once saw this marked on a map once as "unfinished road".

Blackmoor Drive - north end - looks as though it was intended to go through into Aysgarth Ave or perhaps join up with Darley Drive - follow the line on Google Earth and you will see what I mean.

On Melwood Drive there is a short stub road which ends in a sandstone wall which looks older than the early 20C semis in the area. On the other side of the wall Croxteth Park.

Moving to the south side of the city there is a short stub road off Fallowfield road which looks as though it would have entered the former Smithdown Road Destructor Plant site / council yard which is now part of the Penny La retail park. Even when the council site was open there was no through road here.

There is also an interesting road which cuts across Elmsdale, Queesdale and Kingsdale Road. No houses have front doors onto this road which ends abruptly behind a Queens Drive semi.

Further south is the over engineered road leading to Speke Hall - Speke Hall Ave. Whilst this has come into its own since the expansion of the airport - how many can remember back in the years prior to the mid 80s when this was a dual carraigeway to nowhere despit it having been built in the late 1930s.

There are probably many other "Unfinished Roads" around Liverpool - but they are worth looking out for.

Perhaps some defunct plans revealing the full intentions of past planners lie in a dusty drawer somewhere?

John

[Cadfael]

Kings Drive is probably the best example in Liverpool.

Start of Kings Drive is a dual carriageway until a different council got in and decided that just past (what is now Sainsburys), that we didn't need a dual carriageway so we'll keep it to single lane.

A massive section of grass appears here but then another council got in and decided that near the bottom of Kings Drive, they'd have a dual carriageway again.

And then lastly, another council got in and decided that the roundabout at the bottom of Kings Drive wasn't going to happen, nor was the cut through the loop line which should have joined the other side of Kings Drive up (single lane - massive grassy area).

The biggest fun and games is where Hunts Cross Avenue stops at one side, didn't link to the supposed roundabout, and the other section of Hunts Cross Avenue is as wide as a motorway yet is classed as a 'side' road!

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[taffy]

Taking this thread a bit beyond the closed / truncated streets - there are some places in Liverpool and the suburbs where one comes across streets / roads which do not look as though they have been completed.


There are probably many other "Unfinished Roads" around Liverpool - but they are worth looking out for.


John

Brodie Ave was planned to join Queens Drive near Liverpool College, Mossley Hill. It never did of course

[irishseashipping.com]

[QUOTE=Cadfael;153295]Kings Drive is probably the best example in Liverpool.

Yes this is a good example checking it out on Google Earth one can see just how strange it is. I presume a similar fate befel Princess Drive - dual carraigeway at the Deysbrook and Huyton ends but strangely single carraigeway in the middle though wide enough to provide for DC all the way.

John

[irishseashipping.com]

Brodie Ave was planned to join Queens Drive near Liverpool College, Mossley Hill. It never did of course


I never realised this - however it is strange the way it feeds into Rathmore Ave (north bound) and is accessed by Templemore (south bound).

Presumably the "more" roads were in place before construction of Brodie Ave?

The construction through to Queens Drive would certainly have changed the landscape around the Elmsley and Palmerston road areas sigificantly.

John

[Cadfael]

I'm always fascinated by the way that Queens Drive ends at a small roundabout in Mossley Hill/Aigburth.

There was plans to continue this road all the way to Aigburth Road but this never happened.

[irishseashipping.com]

I'm always fascinated by the way that Queens Drive ends at a small roundabout in Mossley Hill/Aigburth.

There was plans to continue this road all the way to Aigburth Road but this never happened.

Until Aigburth Vale was blocked off to build those maisonettes which I think happened around 1971 ish there was almost direct access to Aigburth Road.

I never understood the logic of blocking Aigburth Vale which was very much a through route and as a consequence forcing traffice to go round the bottom part of Carnatic Road into Victoria Road / Ashfield Road. Just really wasn't logical!

John

[Waterways]

Brodie Ave was planned to join Queens Drive near Liverpool College, Mossley Hill. It never did of course

Maybe because some very large and expensive houses, with rich and influential people in them, would need demolishing.

[Waterways]

Kings Drive is probably the best example in Liverpool.

Start of Kings Drive is a dual carriageway until a different council got in and decided that just past (what is now Sainsburys), that we didn't need a dual carriageway so we'll keep it to single lane.

A massive section of grass appears here but then another council got in and decided that near the bottom of Kings Drive, they'd have a dual carriageway again.

And then lastly, another council got in and decided that the roundabout at the bottom of Kings Drive wasn't going to happen, nor was the cut through the loop line which should have joined the other side of Kings Drive up (single lane - massive grassy area).

The biggest fun and games is where Hunts Cross Avenue stops at one side, didn't link to the supposed roundabout, and the other section of Hunts Cross Avenue is as wide as a motorway yet is classed as a 'side' road!

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Those boulevards were designed with wide central grass reservations to have a twin tram tracks. Menlove, Mather, Utting Aves, etc had trams in the centre.

Hunts X Av was supposed to merge onto Woolton Rd at Gatacre Brow and I believe Woolton road was to be a boulevard too, going onto Queens Drive. Hunts X Ave is a boulevard and is a dead end just before the brow, with buildings between the end and the Brow. At the other "far" end, not where it meets Kings Drive, Hunts X Ave stops at Woolton Golf course, This was to continue over to Speke Rd, making one boulevard from Queens Drive using Woolton Rd then Hunts X Ave at Gateacre and then onto Speke. Large sections were built.

Kings Drive was to sweep right into Garston and provision was made for that right through to Garston - the other Woolton Rd and other Allerton Rd running into Horrocks Ave at Garston are the continuation and all one long continuous wide reservation boulevard, crossing Menlove Ave, Mather Ave, Brodie Ave and Speak Rd boulevards as well as Garston tram sheds

John Brodie designed the boulevards in the Liverpool's suburbs. And they all were to have trams in the centre as many did. He viewed the tram and the boulevards as social engineering, to get people out into clean fresh suburbs from the overcrowded slums in the centre. The fast trams would keep people in touch with the centre.

Trams were abandoned in 1957 and the nice wide boulevards were left. Menlove Ave has mature tress all around the space now. Utting, Townsend Aves etc should have had more trees planted as these sometimes look wide and windswept.

Merseyrail has taken over from trams and can be extensively extended using disused track, trackbed and stations. The districts where Merseyrail does not serve, the boulevards can be dug up and cheap cut and cover tunnels put under, with trains just under the surface and station platforms a few steps down - as they did in Paris and Budapest. Stations there are at bus stop intervals.

We possess in the shape of our underground Merseyrail system an absolute jewel that should be the centre of all of our transport plans. Our problem is we do not make the most of what we already have and what others cities drool over. The city has no idea how to use this legacy of disused rail and boulevard infrastructure to extend Merseyrail and give the Liverpool region a highly comprehensive rapid transit rail system - think London Tube. All that is needed is an overall plan and this can be staged in starting from the centre using nearly 4 miles of disused tunnels.

Because of his work on Liverpool's boulevards, John Brodie was asked to design those in New Deli.

[AntiPathos]

Very informative post, WW. Thanks for taking the time to type it.

[Waterways]

Further south is the over engineered road leading to Speke Hall - Speke Hall Ave. Whilst this has come into its own since the expansion of the airport - how many can remember back in the years prior to the mid 80s when this was a dual carraigeway to nowhere despit it having been built in the late 1930s.


Dunlops was around there. Previously the Rootes aircraft plant. It assembled and tested US planes in WW2 that came over in knock down form, mainly P51 Mustangs. The boulevard would have been very handy for trucking the planes in from the docks. The boulevard was handy for traffic going through Hale village to Widnes.

The boulevard was meant to service factories that were never built, as airport expansion was marked up in the 1950s.

[Ged]

Drinking fountains were also placed at strategic points on Brodies boulevards too (usually at x roads with other main roads) and property developers had to pay a frontage tax to build houses along these 'exclusive' stretches and so making them self financing.

[Waterways]

Drinking fountains were also placed at strategic points on Brodies boulevards too (usually at x roads with other main roads) and property developers had to pay a frontage tax to build houses along these 'exclusive' stretches and so making them self financing.

Amazing. Who wants to live on a dual carriagway these days?

[Ged]

Aye. Traffic wasn't so bad back then eh but it meant the rich could move between towns easier, not as in stateley home rich of course :)

[Waterways]

Drinking fountains were also placed at strategic points on Brodies boulevards too (usually at x roads with other main roads) and property developers had to pay a frontage tax to build houses along these 'exclusive' stretches and so making them self financing.

The tax is a good idea and used in other countries to finance public works projects. If temporary property tax was put on the "sale" of homes in the immediate vicinity of London's underground Jubilee Line underground stations, they would have paid for the line about 4 times over. Property prices went up by around 25% in many cases being so close to the tube station.

Some tax like that should be used to extend Merseyrail.

[tpoo22]

[QUOTE=Cadfael;153295]Kings Drive is probably the best example in Liverpool.

Yes this is a good example checking it out on Google Earth one can see just how strange it is. I presume a similar fate befel Princess Drive - dual carraigeway at the Deysbrook and Huyton ends but strangely single carraigeway in the middle though wide enough to provide for DC all the way.

John

Princess Drive is an odd one, considering all of that was pretty much a blank canvas when the roads were laid out. I'm not sure where it was intended to go, it just kind of peters out at the Deysbrook end. Looking at Google Earth the Huyton end dual-carriageway bit starts 'over the border' in Knowsley.

[wallasey]

[QUOTE=irishseashipping.com;153348]

Princess Drive is an odd one, considering all of that was pretty much a blank canvas when the roads were laid out. I'm not sure where it was intended to go, it just kind of peters out at the Deysbrook end. Looking at Google Earth the Huyton end dual-carriageway bit starts 'over the border' in Knowsley.

But over the border in Knowsley (at Page Moss) are some of the Liverpool Corporation Overspill Estates.

Was there a tramline running up Princess Drive??? I know Page Moss was a big interchange for the trams, but I don't know much about the routes.

[quincyg]

well this sign had me reaching for the A-Z!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Picture1403-1.jpg

I'd never heard of it...it's off the Strand

[taffy]

well this sign had me reaching for the A-Z!
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/Picture1403-1.jpg

I'd never heard of it...it's off the Strand

Well spotted. I've not seen this sign either. Red Cross Street got truncated post WW2 German aerial bombing of the area. It used to lead up to near the Queen Victoria Memorial

[quincyg]

Well spotted. I've not seen this sign either. Red Cross Street got truncated post WW2 German aerial bombing of the area. It used to lead up to near the Queen Victoria Memorial

ah yes just found it on my 1906 central map.:PDT11

just spotted another long gone one on the map too, near St Nick's...Prison Weint. never heard of a Weint before

[Ged]

Red Cross street is still there in part and in my ten year old A-Z. Pics of this and Ogden's Weint, Prison Weint and Litherland Alley are on my site below.

Pre war and post war pages.



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[quincyg]

cheers Ged. I thought I'd seen all your pics obviously I haven't:PDT_Aliboronz_11:

will have a nosy whilst waiting for my pasta bake to cook