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scouserdave
03-29-2007, 08:26 AM
Why didn't the Commander of HMS Cornwall come to the rescue of his crew? I also think that as each day passes before the sailors' release, the RAF should bomb an Iranian oil field.
Its all very odd, where they tresspassing as they have claimed?
scouserdave
03-29-2007, 08:42 AM
Its all very odd, where they tresspassing as they have claimed?
The Iranian's published the map coordinates where the kidnapping took place. After it was pointed out to them that it was in actual fact Iraqi waters, they changed the location!
A.D.W
03-29-2007, 09:30 AM
Sorry, but a woman in the army doing front line duty is a no-no in my book.
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phredd
03-29-2007, 11:24 AM
A.D. Hi.
This is a bit recent and you may like to read it >>>>>>>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/6476635.stm
I think she would still say 'yes-yes'
Phredd (In Arduis Fidelis)
A.D.W
03-29-2007, 11:32 AM
You don't understand phredd but keep the lie that men and women are equal.
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You don't understand phredd but keep the lie that men and women are equal.
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Dave that's a bit naughty mate, they are different yes.
A.D.W
03-29-2007, 12:26 PM
Dave that's a bit naughty mate, they are different yes.
Naughty in what way? Yes woman should be treated equally, but to say they can do the same job as a man in the Army is false in my opinion.
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Naughty in what way? Yes woman should be treated equally
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I agree, thats not the impression I got from reading.....
You don't understand phredd but keep the lie that men and women are equal.
but to say they can do the same job as a man in the Army is false in my opinion.
Again, I may agree there but as men and women are different, not all women are the same. There are some women who love this kind of thing.
Do they make exceptions for women in the army?
A.D.W
03-29-2007, 12:42 PM
Do they make exceptions for women in the army?
Sad to say that they do now.
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Like what? Do they keep them out of frontline fighting etc?
A.D.W
03-29-2007, 12:50 PM
Like what? Do they keep them out of frontline fighting etc?
Allowing them to fight along side men is one exception! I can't imagine what the morale of the British Army would have been like if it was allowed on the mud baths of the Somme in '16.
phredd
03-29-2007, 01:53 PM
Naughty in what way? Yes woman should be treated equally, but to say they can do the same job as a man in the Army is false in my opinion.
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I dont think you read all of the article on Pte Norris MC.
She was a medic in the Royal Army Medical Corps doing her job on the front line just as her male counterpart in the Medical corps would have done.
To say what you have stated (see above highlighted) is wrong. She done her job, prooving that a female can do the same job as a male, and she done it well.
Your opinion is noted and accepted.
Phredd (In Arduis Fidelis) a medic in the Army (RAMC) for a full 22 yrs.
A.D.W
04-01-2007, 01:58 PM
I dont think you read all of the article on Pte Norris MC.
She was a medic in the Royal Army Medical Corps doing her job on the front line just as her male counterpart in the Medical corps would have done.
To say what you have stated (see above highlighted) is wrong. She done her job, prooving that a female can do the same job as a male, and she done it well.
Your opinion is noted and accepted.
Phredd (In Arduis Fidelis) a medic in the Army (RAMC) for a full 22 yrs.
I am simply pointing out that I am of the opinion that our women folk should not be placed in harms way. Would you send your Mam, sister, daughter or lass off to war to be wounded or killed? I certainly wouldn't.
If that makes me out to be some sort of 'sexist' then I do believe I can live with that label.
:)
Sloyne
04-01-2007, 02:31 PM
Its all very odd, where they tresspassing as they have claimed? Well, if you believe the British government? But who would believe that government, a government who attacked another nation on a lie that their leader had WMD, a war which, to date, has killed and maimed an estimated 1 million people, most of whom are innocent civilians?
So now they are free, the media will 'celeb them up' and no doubt their next step is the Big Brother House next year.
A.D.W
04-06-2007, 10:59 AM
Oh well! Looks like you people got your 'equality' for women in the Army. Two were blown to pieces yesterday in Iraq. Happy now?
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I've just watched the clips of the press conference in which Faye Turney was absent (where was she?). I get the feeling there's something fishy surrounding the whole episode.
Blindfolded, stripped of all there kit, held in isolation doesn't seem too bad and not uncommon for Western forces to use such tactics yet they are being made out as heroes especially the now 'famous Faye'. The media in typical style has been out visiting the troops local pubs interviewing the landlords about the party they've planned etc.....
I don't know, maybe we love the drama of it all and warfare is fashionable right now (*shakes head and very confused*).....
Any thoughts?
snappel
04-07-2007, 08:30 AM
Yes, Faye was absent from the conference, but so were 7 others.
Their treatment in Iran (to me) seems feasible. I don't think being bound and isolated is for POWs. The Lieutenant does make it clear that that's as rough as it got - they're not wheeling out allegations of physical torture or anything.
The pyschological stuff was obviously so they would play ball. Iran wanted to parade them on TV saying they've admitted to being guilty so that when they were released it would look like Iran were being all diplomatic and friendly. Just a publicity stunt.
I'm sure plenty of people will suggest conspiracy theories, and that we were actually in Iranian water and that the soldiers are making false allegations, but so far I've seen nothing unbelievable reported about this. As far as I can see, it all seems to make sense.
EDIT: Sorry, my mistake - I thought Kev's was the first post on this thread, then I scrolled up!!
A.D. - 'I am simply pointing out that I am of the opinion that our women folk should not be placed in harms way. Would you send your Mam, sister, daughter or lass off to war to be wounded or killed? I certainly wouldn't.'
What? I wouldn't send me mum or sister, etc, but if she CHOSE to go I wouldn't stop her. That's what annoys me with all this 'bring the troops home' dross. My dad is in the TA, and at one point he was preparing for the very likely possibility that he would have to go to Iraq. Despite the fact he thought the war was a big mess he knew that as a soldier he had a duty to do.
The armed forces aren't kids. They knew the risks when they took the jobs (women included) and do a **** good job. Also, this isn't trench warfare and these particular soldiers aren't in the infantry. They're doing skilled jobs, and aren't on the frontline of a battle. Chances of engaging 'with the enemy' or being taken prisoner are very low.
A.D.W
04-07-2007, 12:02 PM
Well, young Snappel, I believe I shall have to agree to disagree with you.
:)
A.D.W
04-07-2007, 12:13 PM
Oh dear! I have now heard that Ms Turney has a three year old daughter. Sorry, but what mother leaves a young child to go off to fight? How strange!
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Sorry, but what mother leaves a young child to go off to fight?
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There are plenty in town of a weekend :PDT_Xtremez_42:
snappel
04-07-2007, 01:32 PM
Oh dear! I have now heard that Ms Turney has a three year old daughter. Sorry, but what mother leaves a young child to go off to fight? How strange!
So you're agreeing she chose to go for herself now, and wasn't press-ganged into it? She didn't go off to fight anyway, they were doing inspections under a UN mandate.
Still, I'm PMSL at Kev!!
A.D.W
04-07-2007, 03:14 PM
So you're agreeing she chose to go for herself now, and wasn't press-ganged into it? She didn't go off to fight anyway, they were doing inspections under a UN mandate.
Never said women are 'press ganged' into joining the Armed forces, Snappel. I still find it strange that a lass would want to leave her young child to go and work far away. Might I be so bold as to say that Ms Turney is quite que@r for doing so.
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Shapers
04-07-2007, 05:45 PM
Never said women are 'press ganged' into joining the Armed forces, Snappel. I still find it strange that a lass would want to leave her young child to go and work far away. Might I be so bold as to say that Ms Turney is quite que@r for doing so.
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Why does that only apply to women? Is it not also wrong for men to leave there children?
A.D.W
04-07-2007, 06:16 PM
Why does that only apply to women? Is it not also wrong for men to leave there children?
Please allow me to don my tin hat before answering the question, sausage.
In simple terms the men should do the fighting and the ladies do the bringing up of the children. In an ideal world there would be no wars of course!
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Shapers
04-07-2007, 06:29 PM
Please allow me to don my tin hat before answering the question, sausage.
In simple terms the men should do the fighting and the ladies do the bringing up of the children. In an ideal world there would be no wars of course!
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Ok queen, your tin hat suits you.
Just children need there fathers too, so if its selfish a women leaves her children, is it also not the same for fathers? Not all men have it built in them to fight, yet you can get feisty women who would be better in combat.
A.D.W
04-07-2007, 06:32 PM
Just children need there fathers too, so if its selfish a women leaves her children, is it also not the same for fathers? Not all men have it built in them to fight, yet you can get feisty women who would be better in combat.
Argue all you like, sausage, but I am not agreeing with you. Although I agree with children needing a father figure. Not two of course just the one will do.
:)
Shapers
04-07-2007, 06:41 PM
Argue all you like, sausage, but I am not agreeing with you. Although I agree with children needing a father figure. Not two of course just the one will do.
:)
Well i thought you could debate queen.
My argument is if its selfish for one parent, then its selfish for another. But in times of war or combat, adults are needed and have to make the 'sefish' decision to leave the kiddies. And if mother is better equipped for the job then shes the one to go.
A.D.W
04-07-2007, 06:47 PM
Well i thought you could debate queen.
My argument is if its selfish for one parent, then its selfish for another. But in times of war or combat, adults are needed and have to make the 'sefish' decision to leave the kiddies. And if mother is better equipped for the job then shes the one to go.
A woman is better equipped to fight than a man? Interesting idea, sausage.
:)
Shapers
04-07-2007, 06:59 PM
Why so intresting queen?
are u 2 'aving a laugh petal? I can imagine my mum going to war with a crate of Carling and a box of ciggies, laughin lid :PDT10
A.D.W
04-08-2007, 01:21 AM
are u 2 'aving a laugh petal? I can imagine my mum going to war with a crate of Carling and a box of ciggies, laughin lid :PDT10
I am certainly not having a 'larf', Kev. I still stand by the statement that there is no place for women on the front line of the armed forces.
:)
Howie
04-08-2007, 01:34 AM
See Why women should not be on the front line, by Major Judith Webb (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=447215&in_page_id=1770).
I knew this was gonna happen, it was inevitable :rolleyes:. They've been allowed to sell their stories for whopping sums of money: Click here (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1259665,00.html)
Surely this wrong?
Serving personnel are not allowed to enter into financial arrangements with media organisations. However, in exceptional circumstances such as the award of a Victoria Cross or events such as those in recent days, permission can be granted by commanding officers and the MoD,What exactly have they done that was so worthy of putting it up there with the Victoria Cross award?
If it was a group of fellas without a woman, maybe there wouldn't be such interest and they'd probably be back serving by now.
Shapers
04-08-2007, 03:44 PM
I am certainly not having a 'larf', Kev. I still stand by the statement that there is no place for women on the front line of the armed forces.
:)
Stand by you statement all you like. I am expressing my right to disagree. If a women is an asset in active combat then she should be allowed to if she so desires. Not all men are fighters.
Howie
04-09-2007, 01:34 AM
They've been allowed to sell their stories for whopping sums of money.
Captives' media fees spark fury
The Ministry of Defence's decision to allow Royal Navy personnel held captive by Iran to sell their stories has sparked anger and unease.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6537103.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6537103.stm)
Howie
04-10-2007, 01:15 AM
Military banned from selling their stories
Military personnel have been banned from selling their stories to the media until a policy review is completed, Des Browne said tonight.
The Defence Secretary's announcement followed mounting criticism over the decision to let the 15 sailors and Marines who had been held captive in Iran profit from media interviews.
Mr Browne said in a statement that the decision to approve paid-for interviews had been a "tough call" and it was now recognised that the outcome had not been "satisfactory".
www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1631521.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1631521.ece)
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