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marie
02-22-2007, 08:44 AM
REMEMBER THE HILLSBOROUGH 96

April 15th, 1989 was one of the worst days in the history of Merseyside....

http://www.contrast.org/hillsborough/

I was born in Spain, and I can say that never we will never be able to erase these images of our recollections. In a few days I return to Anfield, and always I feel shivers.

Goian bego (rest in peace and justice)

A.D.W
03-31-2007, 02:44 PM
Oh! It's 18 years this April.

:PDT_Xtremez_42:

Howie
04-02-2007, 11:29 PM
Poems to honour tragedy’s 96 dead

A BOOK of poems honouring the memory of the 96 Liverpool fans who died at Hillsborough and published in time for the disaster’s 18th anniversary has been written by acclaimed local author Dave Kirby.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_method=full%26objectid=18845353%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

marie
04-02-2007, 11:36 PM
Poems to honour tragedy’s 96 dead

A BOOK of poems honouring the memory of the 96 Liverpool fans who died at Hillsborough and published in time for the disaster’s 18th anniversary has been written by acclaimed local author Dave Kirby.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_method=full%26objectid=18845353%26siteid=50061-name_page.html

Thanks Howie!!

marky
04-03-2007, 12:58 PM
Here's the Brunswick Dock memorial. Is there a list anywhere of the locations of the various memorials (they range from plaques to trees)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/298425804_37575588db.jpg

SteH
04-03-2007, 07:33 PM
Here's the Brunswick Dock memorial. Is there a list anywhere of the locations of the various memorials (they range from plaques to trees)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/298425804_37575588db.jpg

Thats a good question.Apart from the obvious one at the Anfield Road end (http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/images/HillsboroughMemorial_15042002_300x200.jpg)of LFC's ground, I only know of the stone on front of the Anglican Cathedral (http://p.vtourist.com/1/892502-Cathedrals-Liverpool.jpg)and the memorial outside the stadium in sheffield (http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/24/340px-Hillsborough_Memorial.jpg).

marky
04-04-2007, 12:38 AM
Here's a location pic for the Brunswick Dock plaque.
I have heard of 96 trees being planted, but I can't recall the location...maybe Knowsley.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/445410920_1cafd26e87.jpg

marky
04-04-2007, 12:59 AM
Here's the location of the Cathedral Hillsborough Memorial.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/445410872_533f370868.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/445410888_58ec2fc138.jpg

marie
04-04-2007, 01:37 AM
Thank u very much Marky. The time past very fast. I was a baby when happened, but I can remember it.

marky
04-04-2007, 02:33 AM
Here's a couple of links about the Hillsborough Memorial Stone in Port Sunlight Village (smashed).
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Merseyside/Port_Sunlight-306845/Things_To_Do-Port_Sunlight-BR-1.html
http://www.kirkbytimes.co.uk/hboroitems/hboropress.html

marie
04-04-2007, 02:43 AM
Here's a couple of links about the Hillsborough Memorial Stone in Port Sunlight Village (smashed).
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Merseyside/Port_Sunlight-306845/Things_To_Do-Port_Sunlight-BR-1.html
http://www.kirkbytimes.co.uk/hboroitems/hboropress.html

Thanks again for the info.

Max
04-04-2007, 10:06 AM
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/445899572_b027ef49a9_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/445899572/)

Finally getting me Anfield pics up.

Kirst
04-04-2007, 11:37 AM
Horrible day, my dad was there and my grandad to, the day before my christning, but they were ok thank god. R.i.P

marie
04-14-2007, 03:00 AM
Thanks you Jungle Bhoys!!!!!

http://www.thejunglebhoys.net/news.html

(and thanks for the photos, to one friend of mine)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25886_bannerswt7.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25886_bannerswt7.jpg)

marie
04-14-2007, 03:06 AM
Sorry, the last photo was very big, but it´s if normal, it´s impossible to see the letters!!

Others olds photos now:

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25887_hills1.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25887_hills1.jpg)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25888_hills2.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25888_hills2.jpg)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25889_hills3.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25889_hills3.jpg)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25890_hills4.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25890_hills4.jpg)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25891_hills13tx.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25891_hills13tx.jpg)

http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/t25892_hillsboroughmemorial11042003.jpg (http://mundoarchivo.com/out.php/i25892_hillsboroughmemorial11042003.jpg)

Thanks for the pictures again!!

SteH
04-14-2007, 08:46 AM
the worst thing for me was the guilt that people I know got injured and others I didnt know died, and I was stood safe on the high corner terracing due to my knowledge of the ground. I'd been there for a league game a few years earlier and the police had forced as many as possible into the central pens and locked them, leaving others empty. I knew just how bad it could get in there so got in the ground early and went to find a decent place away from the middle. There were no signs to the corner terracing, anybody who hadnt been there before would have automatically headed for the central pens as they were the only visible entrances.

Gnomie
04-14-2007, 03:56 PM
I remember us celebrating Evertons win in their semi only to hear this dreadful news. i remember getting back into Liverpool and we went for a few drinks. The town was silent, i will always remember the look on peoples faces. a very very sad day.

God bless them all.

petecarr
04-14-2007, 05:18 PM
http://www.vanilladays.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/IMG_9424-295_6_7.jpg

I took this image last year. While I’ve seen the tribute to Hillsborough there I was taken back by the fans. Nearly everyone who passed touched the monument, the eternal flame. Whether for it was for good luck or to remember people they knew, I wasn’t sure. I stood just beside the gate and used my 10mm to get these shots. I was very very close, closer than I’ve been to anything like this. I was quite nervous. Should I have been documenting it? Was I invading their privacy? No-one seemed to mind. No-one told me to get lost. I was watching a documentary about a war photographer, James Nachtwey, and something he said stuck in my mind. He said that if he wasn’t accepted by the people he was documenting then he wouldn’t get the photos. By them accepting his presence as a photographer documenting their lives he can accept himself as a photographer. That will stick with me and give me confidence in the future.

I did HDR this image. Why not use the flash correctly you may say. Well I didn’t want to make them that aware of me. I didn’t want the flash to be going off like I was some Paparazzi photographer. I can see the value in a Leica for times like these. Its small, its quiet. You could argue that it lets you get away with more, but for me I would say that it lets you go un-noticed. It lets you get the shot without distracting people. So for this I used HDR to bring back some of the details I had blown out.

snappel
04-14-2007, 08:25 PM
Hillsborough confuses me because I'm not entirely sure why it happened, but needless to say the events were tragic. As a teenager I saw a drama about it and it just left me cold.

marie
04-14-2007, 10:22 PM
Hillsborough confuses me because I'm not entirely sure why it happened, but needless to say the events were tragic. As a teenager I saw a drama about it and it just left me cold.

U can see the complete video of the tragedy in the official page of the relatives. The video does not have audio, so your same one you can take a decision brings over of the happened.

marie
04-14-2007, 10:24 PM
Liverpool F.C. were involved in their 17th FA Cup Semi-Final, to be played against Nottingham Forest F.C. at Hillsborough, the home of Sheffield Wednesday F.C. — FA Cup semi-finals traditionally being played at neutral venues so as to not favour either club involved. Liverpool and Nottingham Forest had played at the semi-final stage at the same ground the previous year without incident.

At the time most stadiums had placed high steel fencing between the spectators and the pitch, in response to hooliganism which had plagued the sport for years. Hooliganism was a particularly strong influence in England, where it often involved pitch invasions and the throwing of a variety of missiles. Hooliganism was not a factor at Hillsborough on the day of the disaster, but the fencing in place was later identified as one of the main factors leading to the disaster. The part of the stadium where the problem occurred was also a "terrace" area, a cheaper standing section without seats that was determined to be a major contributing factor to the disaster. Terraces were frequently divided by further fencing into sections called pens to aid crowd control.

The Hillsborough Stadium, was segregated between the opposing fans as was customary at all large matches at neutral venues: the Liverpool supporters being assigned to the Leppings Lane End. Kick off was scheduled for 3.00pm but due to a variety of factors including traffic delays on the route to Sheffield from Liverpool many of the Liverpool supporters were later than usual arriving. Between 2.00pm and 2.45pm there was a considerable build up of fans in the small area outside the turnstiles at the Leppings Lane End, all eager to enter the stadium before the match started. A bottleneck developed with more fans arriving than entering the stadium. With an estimated 5,000 fans trying to get through the turnstiles and an increasingly dangerous situation, the police decided to open a second set of gates which did not have turnstiles (Gate C). The resulting inpouring of hundreds, or possibly thousands, of fans through a narrow tunnel at the rear of the terrace and into the already overcrowded central two pens caused a crush at the front where people were pressed against the fencing. The people entering were unaware of the problems being experienced at the fence and for some time the problem was not noticed by anybody (other than those affected), it was not until 3:06pm that the referee stopped the match. By this time a small gate in the fencing had been opened and some fans escaped the crush by this route — others climbed over the fencing, and further fans were pulled up by fellow fans into the upper tier above the Leppings Lane terrace.

The pitch quickly started to fill with people sweating and gasping for breath, those with crush injuries, and with the bodies of the dead. The police and ambulance services were overwhelmed by the scale of the disaster and fans helped as best they could, many attempting CPR and some tearing down advertising hoardings to act as makeshift stretchers.

The crush ultimately took the lives of 96 people, with 766 fans receiving injuries. Tony Bland survived for nearly four years in a persistent vegetative state before he became the 96th victim.

Graphic footage of the disaster was available because the match was being recorded for later broadcast and this, along with the number of fatalities made an extreme impact on the general UK population.

A permanent tribute to those who lost their lives can be found alongside the Shankly Gates at Anfield. A further tribute was set up in 1999 at Hillsborough.

Following the disaster, Lord Justice Taylor was appointed to conduct an inquiry into the disaster. Taylor's inquiry sat for thirty-one days and published two reports, one interim report that laid out the events of the day and immediate conclusions and one final report that made general recommendations on football ground safety. As a result of the inquiry, fences in front of fans were removed and stadia were converted to become all-seated. This became known as the Taylor Report.

There was considerable debate over some aspects of the disaster; in particular, attention was focused on the decision to open the secondary gates. It was suggested that it would have been better to delay the start of the match as had often been done at other venues and matches. In defence the police claimed that they were concerned that the crush outside the stadium was getting out of control and accusations were made that some Liverpool fans did not have tickets and were trying to force the turnstiles. Other accusations of misbehaviour were made in relation to the crowd. However, no substantial evidence was presented to support any of these claims, with Lord Justice Taylor making particular effort to refute them in his final report.

marie
04-14-2007, 10:25 PM
The Sun newspaper

On the Wednesday following the disaster, Kelvin MacKenzie, then editor of The Sun, a British tabloid newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch, used the front page headline 'THE TRUTH', with three sub-headlines: 'Some fans picked pockets of victims'; 'Some fans urinated on the brave cops'; 'Some fans beat up PC giving kiss of life'.

The story accompanying these headlines claimed that 'drunken Liverpool fans viciously attacked rescue workers as they tried to revive victims' and 'police officers, firemen and ambulance crew were punched, kicked and urinated upon'. A quote, attributed to an unnamed policeman, claimed that a dead girl had been abused and that Liverpool fans 'were openly urinating on us and the bodies of the dead'.

In their history of The Sun, Peter Chippendale and Chris Horrie wrote:

'As MacKenzie's layout was seen by more and more people, a collective shudder ran through the office [but] MacKenzie's dominance was so total there was nobody left in the organisation who could rein him in except Murdoch. [Everyone] seemed paralysed, "looking like rabbits in the headlights", as one hack described them. The error staring them in the face was too glaring. It obviously wasn't a silly mistake; nor was it a simple oversight. Nobody really had any comment on it—they just took one look and went away shaking their heads in wonder at the enormity of it. It was a "classic smear".'
Lord Justice Taylor's official inquiry into the disaster disparaged The Sun's story and was unequivocal as to the disaster's cause:

'The real cause of the Hillsborough disaster [was] overcrowding, the main reason for the disaster was the failure of police control.'
Following The Sun's report, the newspaper was boycotted by most newsagents in Liverpool, with many refusing to stock the tabloid and large numbers of readers cancelling orders and even refusing to buy from shops which did stock the newspaper. The Hillsborough Justice Campaign also organised a national boycott, which was less successful but certainly hit the paper's sales.

MacKenzie explained his reporting in 1993. Talking to a House of Commons National Heritage Select Committee he said "I regret Hillsborough. It was a fundamental mistake. The mistake was I believed what an MP said. It was a Tory MP. If he had not said it and the chief superintendent (David Duckenfield) had not agreed with it, we would not have gone with it." This explanation was not accepted by families of Hillsborough victims. Even fifteen years after the Hillsborough disaster, the circulation of The Sun in Liverpool is still believed to be only 12,000 copies a day where previously it was around 200,000.

The Sun itself issued an apology "without reservation" in a full page opinion piece on 7 July 2004, saying that it had "committed the most terrible mistake in its history." The Sun was responding to the intense criticism of Wayne Rooney, a Liverpool-born football star who then still played in the city (for Everton), who had sold his life story to the newspaper. Rooney's actions had incensed Liverpool dwellers still angry at The Sun. The Sun's apology was somewhat bullish, saying that the "campaign of hate" against Rooney was organised in part by the Liverpool Daily Post & Echo, owned by Trinity Mirror, who also own the Daily Mirror, arch-rivals of The Sun. Thus the apology actually served to anger some Liverpudlians further. The Liverpool Echo itself did not accept the apology, calling it "shabby" and "an attempt, once again, to exploit the Hillsborough dead."

It should be noted that some other newspapers also detailed the same allegations on the same day, which apparently originated from a source within South Yorkshire Police attempting to divert blame, but The Sun attracted particular opprobrium for its use of the huge "THE TRUTH" headline and its subsequent refusal to issue an apology, something the other newspapers were quick to do.

marie
04-14-2007, 10:26 PM
"Hillsborough" television drama

Christopher Eccleston stared as Trevor HicksIn 1996, the ITV television network in the United Kingdom screened a 90-minute one-off drama-documentary recounting the events of the disaster, written by the acclaimed Liverpudlian scriptwriter Jimmy McGovern, who had previously been responsible for hard-hitting television productions such as Cracker. The disaster is also central to the plot of one of the stories in Cracker.

Produced for the network by Granada Television and titled simply Hillsborough, the drama starred Christopher Eccleston as Trevor Hicks, whose story formed the focus of the script. Hicks lost two teenage daughters in the disaster and went on to campaign for safer stadiums, as well as helping form the Hillsborough Families Support Group. It drew much praise for its sensitive handling of the subject matter, which was heavily critical of the actions of the South Yorkshire Police. The programme inspired the Manic Street Preachers song "S.Y.M.M. (South Yorkshire Mass Murderer)" on the album This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours.

marie
04-14-2007, 10:28 PM
Documentary

This is the 1996 Documentary about the Hillsbrough Disaster. I havent seen it but it was produced by ITV.

"Drama based on the real life events of April 1989, when ninety-six Liverpool supporters were crushed to death during an F.A. Cup Semi-Final match against Nottingham Forest at Sheffield Wednesday's Hillsborough Stadium. This movie follows three Liverpudlian families before the match, during the tragedy and at the ensuing court battles which tried to decide who was to blame and what went wrong"

http://db2.btjunkie.org/search?q=Hillsborough

marie
04-14-2007, 10:37 PM
I have asked several persons for permission, for PM, to use his photos in a special post that I want to write on the event in a forum.

Specially in our forum of the Athletic. Many young people do not know the happened. But many young people admire the Liverpool and know the team, thanks to Xabi Alonso.

I would like his interest, to show them that it happened this day, and do not ignore it.

If someone more can facilitate photos to me, I would be grateful for it very much. Fodder that an image, costs more than thousand words.

petecarr
04-16-2007, 09:30 AM
http://www.petemc.net/ssp/hill/hillsborough/images/IMG_8975.jpg

Slideshow on my site (http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2007/04/hillsborough_-_youll_never_walk_alone/).

snappel
04-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Personally I feel sorry for the coppers who were on the turnstiles. They were in a lose/lose situation, and not only do they have to live with what happened, but they have to bear the brunt of everyone else's accusations.

marie
04-16-2007, 02:44 PM
I saw in a Celtic forum, that the supporters have a post about the Hillsborough!! Thanks to the Jungle Bhoys and others Celts supporters. It´s a beaty thing.

scouse mouse
04-16-2007, 04:54 PM
Personally I feel sorry for the coppers who were on the turnstiles. They were in a lose/lose situation, and not only do they have to live with what happened, but they have to bear the brunt of everyone else's accusations.

Sorry but I'm too busy feeling sorry for those who died because they were treated like cattle by Duckinfield and many of those poor coppers.

If the police had done the job they were being paid to do that day the tragedy doesn't happen.........it's as simple as that.

MariaC
04-16-2007, 05:09 PM
From then on I've never bought the Sun, nor has anyone in our family.

marie
04-16-2007, 05:11 PM
Sorry but I'm too busy feeling sorry for those who died because they were treated like cattle by Duckinfield and many of those poor coppers.

If the police had done the job they were being paid to do that day the tragedy doesn't happen.........it's as simple as that.

I wait that in France put out the fences. In the gamebetween Manchester and Lille, almost happens a similar misfortune...

snappel
04-16-2007, 06:18 PM
Edited because this isn't the time or the place to start this argument...

scouserdave
04-16-2007, 08:16 PM
Edited because this isn't the time or the place to start this argument...

Well considered Snappel:handclap:
Quite a quantum leap from your views in less than 24 hours from:

Hillsborough confuses me because I'm not entirely sure why it happened, but needless to say the events were tragic. As a teenager I saw a drama about it and it just left me cold.

to

Personally I feel sorry for the coppers who were on the turnstiles. They were in a lose/lose situation, and not only do they have to live with what happened, but they have to bear the brunt of everyone else's accusations.

snappel
04-16-2007, 08:48 PM
I'd done some reading Dave! To be honest there are lots of things I don't 'get' with this whole campaign thing, and being a complete non-football supporter perhaps I'm looking at it in a different way. Plus I wasn't in Liverpool when it happened, etc. But in this case I don't think there'd be much to gain from stirring up a debate on what is clearly still a very emotional subject. So I'll keep my views to myself and just spare a thought for those who suffered.

scouserdave
04-17-2007, 01:01 AM
I'd done some reading Dave!
Cheers Snappel.
Probably an oversight, but you forgot to mention your sources:rolleyes:

petecarr
04-17-2007, 10:47 AM
From then on I've never bought the Sun, nor has anyone in our family.

I read that sales in Liverpool have dropped from 200,000 to 12,000. Thats really something.

snappel
04-17-2007, 11:07 AM
Just as well. Dirty tabloids. In fact, papers in general just write made-up crap most of the time.

Ged
04-17-2007, 11:25 AM
I was at the other semi-final and tbh, originally, news was filtering through that it was crowd trouble and only as we were getting on the coach on the way home did the true horror of what happened become apparent - there was stunned silence on the way home even though we'd won as I think everyone on the coach knew somebody who was at Hillsborough that day.

lindylou
04-17-2007, 02:50 PM
Just as well. Dirty tabloids. In fact, papers in general just write made-up crap most of the time.

Yeah tabloids :disgust: I never read any of them. I certainly wouldn't spend money on them.

scouse mouse
04-17-2007, 06:07 PM
Edited because this isn't the time or the place to start this argument...

I can't imagine why you'd think that we'd need to argue about this ?

I would think that this is exactly the kind of time and place to discuss the events, especially considering that you admit to not knowing what happened that day and also appear to labouring under the misconception that the South Yorkshire Police seem to have been unfairly treated.

scouse mouse
04-17-2007, 06:11 PM
I read that sales in Liverpool have dropped from 200,000 to 12,000. Thats really something.

It's good that the boycott is still in effect.

Still at the end of the day that's 12,000 Scousers who should feel ashamed of themselves imho.

A.D.W
04-17-2007, 06:18 PM
It's good that the boycott is still in effect.

Still at the end of the day that's 12,000 Scousers who should feel ashamed of themselves imho.

It might not be Scousers buying the Sun in Liverpool of course.

marie
04-17-2007, 06:21 PM
I can't imagine why you'd think that we'd need to argue about this ?

I would think that this is exactly the kind of time and place to discuss the events, especially considering that you admit to not knowing what happened that day and also appear to labouring under the misconception that the South Yorkshire Police seem to have been unfairly treated.

I would like that you were not discussing this. All 96 persons are died, and already nothing is going to return the life to them. I ask you not to discuss please for respect. Thanks!!

A.D.W
04-17-2007, 06:23 PM
I would like that you were not discussing this. All 96 persons are died, and already nothing is going to return the life to them. I ask you not to discuss please for respect. Thanks!!

Fair point, Marie, but by not talking about that sad day it could be forgotten.

scouse mouse
04-17-2007, 06:35 PM
I would like that you were not discussing this. All 96 persons are died, and already nothing is going to return the life to them. I ask you not to discuss please for respect. Thanks!!

Sorry but imho it's got nothing to do with respect Marie. I believe that if someone doesn't know what happened that day they should be made aware. Likewise if someone thinks that the tragedy was caused by footy hooligans or that the South Yorkshire Police were unfairly maligned then that should be addressed too.

Remember that the 96 are not here to defend themselves, it's up to us to make sure that the events of that day are not forgotten or more importantly conveniently rewritten.

scouse mouse
04-17-2007, 06:40 PM
It might not be Scousers buying the Sun in Liverpool of course.

True, some of them could be out of towners. But I have a feeling that the majority of that 12,000 are probably locals who don't know or don't care.

Steven
04-17-2007, 09:33 PM
I read that sales in Liverpool have dropped from 200,000 to 12,000. Thats really something.

Did anybody see that TV prog, where the editor of The Sun made a half appology to the citizens of Liverpool ?

SteH
04-17-2007, 10:13 PM
True, some of them could be out of towners. But I have a feeling that the majority of that 12,000 are probably locals who don't know or don't care.

I've seen 'fans' of Liverpool FC reading that rag on coaches to away games and in pubs beforehand, they got a bit of grief like.

It does sadden me though that there are many who come across as more vociferous about boycotting they Sun and demonising McKenzie than remembering the 96 - no publicity is bad publicity and all that.

Also, I fear there are some attaching themselves to the HJC that they could really do without. There were reportedly plenty of Lacoste teens in Eindhoven the other week wearing HJC stickers acting in just the way the Sun claimed fans did ie. try to bunk into the game and push others out the way whilst drunk.

There seems to be so much fragmentation in the fight for justice. We have the family support group (the only one LFC recognise) that are no longer pursuing any legal activities. That was seen as too autocratic, selective and not proactive enough, hence the formation of the HJC. LFC continue to deny this groups existence and despite theirs and RTK's well organised Truth Day in January, only the RTK logo was allowed on the mosaic papers. The HJC's chairperson Anne Williams resigned last year to pursue the fight alone for her son Kevins case to be re-opened, forming Hope for Hillsborough (http://www.hopeforhillsborough.com/).

A.D.W
04-17-2007, 10:36 PM
Hope for Hillsborough (http://www.hopeforhillsborough.com/).

A heart breaking website.

:PDT_Xtremez_42:

scouse mouse
04-18-2007, 08:00 AM
I've seen 'fans' of Liverpool FC reading that rag on coaches to away games and in pubs beforehand, they got a bit of grief like.

It does sadden me though that there are many who come across as more vociferous about boycotting they Sun and demonising McKenzie than remembering the 96 - no publicity is bad publicity and all that.

Also, I fear there are some attaching themselves to the HJC that they could really do without. There were reportedly plenty of Lacoste teens in Eindhoven the other week wearing HJC stickers acting in just the way the Sun claimed fans did ie. try to bunk into the game and push others out the way whilst drunk.

There seems to be so much fragmentation in the fight for justice. We have the family support group (the only one LFC recognise) that are no longer pursuing any legal activities. That was seen as too autocratic, selective and not proactive enough, hence the formation of the HJC. LFC continue to deny this groups existence and despite theirs and RTK's well organised Truth Day in January, only the RTK logo was allowed on the mosaic papers. The HJC's chairperson Anne Williams resigned last year to pursue the fight alone for her son Kevins case to be re-opened, forming Hope for Hillsborough (http://www.hopeforhillsborough.com/).

The rift between the HFSG and the HJC saddens me Ste but at the end of the day both are persuing the same objective.

And I know for a fact that Gerry McIver wishes Anne all the very best in her personal struggle.

Our club here in Toronto continues to support the HJC in any way we can, but obviously wish both Anne and the HFSG all the very best.

scouse mouse
04-18-2007, 08:09 AM
I've seen 'fans' of Liverpool FC reading that rag on coaches to away games and in pubs beforehand, they got a bit of grief like.


We have actually had a few walk into our games here in Toronto with a copy.

Each time they have been totally unaware.....and obviously binned it.

One quick story, there was one store in downtown Toronto that sold all kinds of Brit stuff, sweets, cds, dvds, tea towels etc (I'm sure you know the kind of place) they also sold imported newspapers, after Hillsborough they stopped selling the Sun, and have never sold it since. Nice, especially that the owner was an ex pat Spurs supporter from London.

marie
04-18-2007, 08:40 AM
Sorry but imho it's got nothing to do with respect Marie. I believe that if someone doesn't know what happened that day they should be made aware. Likewise if someone thinks that the tragedy was caused by footy hooligans or that the South Yorkshire Police were unfairly maligned then that should be addressed too.

Remember that the 96 are not here to defend themselves, it's up to us to make sure that the events of that day are not forgotten or more importantly conveniently rewritten.


Excuse, I was thinking that you were discussing, and not speaking. It was my confusion in the translation of yours words. You know that my English is not very good... I am sorry!

SciencePunk
04-18-2007, 09:13 AM
I'm confused - how did the standing area become so overcrowded? Were the fans diverted into an already-full pen to try and relieve the crowd outside the stadium? That seems like a stupid idea.

snoochie boochie
04-18-2007, 10:03 AM
I'm confused - how did the standing area become so overcrowded? Were the fans diverted into an already-full pen to try and relieve the crowd outside the stadium? That seems like a stupid idea.

In a word Duckenfield! thats how! C*nts well pensioned off.

Some lovely pics there folks. Thanks

SteH
09-13-2007, 10:10 PM
This is the memorial mosaic that is on the steps up to the Liverpool FC museum at Anfield.

verdi
09-19-2007, 01:51 PM
I was there that day. I think it was an accumaltion of things that led to the dissaster. We left early enough, but owing to road works, and police road blocks, arrived late at the ground. We parked outside somones house and he came out and made us move the car, making us later, and maybe saving our lives? When we got to the ground, just on three, not a soul to be seen, it was eery! I remember a woman with her two kids crying, she would not take them into the ground. We went in and the first thing you saw was the tunnel, with a view of the cross bar and grass. We went down it and into the toilets halfway down. Luckily a friend also came in and informed us of the crush saying ' I tell you there are people dying in there!'. We came back out and went to the side. the rest I don't wish to convey?? Went to the final, will not go to a match again, in fact lost interest in football really.

johnlemmon
09-28-2007, 03:10 PM
A heart breaking website.

:PDT_Xtremez_42:

please read this site and support anne in her quest for justice,...

Lemmo...:ninja:

Mark R
09-28-2007, 07:35 PM
Yes, the Yorkshire Police were rightly blamed. But I can't help thinking the FA were an absolute disgrace in the allocating of the tickets.
Even before the Hillsborough Tragedy I never bought that trash of a newspaper (I can't even bring myself to say the name).

marky
10-12-2007, 09:51 PM
This signpost is on Netherley Road, Tarbock, near where it goes over the Knowsley Expressway. It was pointing towards Hough Green. I must have passed the trees, but never noticed.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee262/south_liverpool/Hillsborough_Oaks_signpost_Tarbock.jpg

SteH
01-28-2008, 12:03 AM
There is a sundial in the grouns of Sudley House in memoriam of a groundsman who worked there who was killed and other Mossley Hill residents. The insciption still says 95 killed, having not been amended since Tony Bland's life support was turned off in 1993.

gorgeous
04-15-2008, 01:19 PM
Another year on , but not forgotten.

R I P ( Peter Mc )

Thinking of you all

Karen

Gnomie
04-15-2008, 01:47 PM
Bless them all on this sad day.

John(Zappa)
04-15-2008, 08:01 PM
Bless them all on this sad day.

And that's from us here too.

julieoapw
04-15-2008, 08:10 PM
Never forgotten. RIP

lindylou
04-15-2008, 08:19 PM
Today has been a day for thought - todays aniversary - and also the news about the arrests over the Rhys Jones case.

quincyg
04-15-2008, 08:25 PM
the memorial outside Crosby Library, i thought it poignant to take it today.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/urban%20misc/Picture862.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e28/quincyg/newbadge_21104.gif

SteH
04-15-2008, 11:45 PM
It was revealed during the service that a match between ex Liverpool and Celtic players is being planned to mark the 20th anniversary next year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/7349514.stm