Miscellaneous Discussion

[petecarr]

Thanks, I was thinking of lightening the photo a little but decided against it :)

Actually I'd say it does need it, its a bit under-exposed :)

[Gerard]

Actually I'd say it does need it, its a bit under-exposed :)

Pete,I wouldnt argue with you about Photography as your Photo's are some of the Best I've seen...
Im not here to criticise peoples work though mate..I'd rather Encourage them.
Smurf must be feelin' really good now.Yer should remember Pete that not Everybody is as good as you or has the Equipment you use.

[petecarr]

Pete,I wouldnt argue with you about Photography as your Photo's are some of the Best I've seen...
Im not here to criticise peoples work though mate..I'd rather Encourage them.
Smurf must be feelin' really good now.Yer should remember Pete that not Everybody is as good as you or has the Equipment you use.

I do, and some of the equipment I use includes my camera phone, a 50 year old film camera, and my Canon A70. I spend a lot of my time helping others on photography forums and have been doing so for around 4 years. Its called constructive criticism, and I only do it to help others get the best from their photography. I know this isn't a photography forum, but I know I can use things I've learned to help others. Of course when a group of people say how great an image is and 1 person offers advice, it looks bad. I would rather that person understands whats wrong with the photo and improves on it than keeps producing images with similar problems. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but I hope people appreciate where I'm coming from and that I'm only trying to help.

[PhilipG]

I do, and some of the equipment I use includes my camera phone, a 50 year old film camera, and my Canon A70. I spend a lot of my time helping others on photography forums and have been doing so for around 4 years. Its called constructive criticism, and I only do it to help others get the best from their photography. I know this isn't a photography forum, but I know I can use things I've learned to help others. Of course when a group of people say how great an image is and 1 person offers advice, it looks bad. I would rather that person understands whats wrong with the photo and improves on it than keeps producing images with similar problems. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but I hope people appreciate where I'm coming from and that I'm only trying to help.

Well said, Pete.
Smurf did ask if it needed lightening.

There's somebody on the Southport forum who has posted what must be hundreds of postcards, but they are all murky and rather dark.
And nobody's told him!
Of course, nobody wants to upset him, but I'd love to see the cards as they should be!

[snappel]

I totally agree.

On another forum I'm on, every single photo receives barrages of 'nice photo', even when the photo is of a person that's blurred, with half the head cut off and a finger in front of the lens. This is done because people are afraid of being critical or 'discouraging' others.

Now personally, I'd rather take a photo and be told that it's underexposed, and learn something that day, and take a better photo next time, than not change at all or improve.

In this case, the photo of the Liver Building is good, and Pete's comment is quite helpful. I dare say Pete has learnt off others during his time, and that's contributed to the standard of work he now produces. Consequently, it should be for the person who posts the photo (not others) to decide whether or not he feedback is invited.

[Gerard]

I disagree...a PM would have done the Job..Nothing wrong with being Polite..
Phil..I think you would have flew off the Handle mate if somebody said the same thing about your Photie Lad..
Say what they like about mine..All done without any Photoshop "Cheating"..

[scouse smurf]

Hiya,

Thanks for the nice comments, they have put a smile on my face.

I took this pic with my old point and click Pentax Optio 33LF. Just default settings, I wouldn't have a clue about changing them really.

I know the photo was dark, If u have a look at the few I've got on flickr u'll see that pretty much every photo is darkish. I'm not blaming the camera for it as I've just got a fuji f31fd and I'll probably get the same results with that lol.

If I had of edited the photo, Pete wouldn't have given any advice on what was wrong with it and hopefully with my new camera, which seems to have alot more manual control I might be able to improve. When I take a photo thats dark, I'll know I need to reduce the exposure (mental note, need to look in the manual on how to reduce exposure hehe)

Thanks again for any comments :)

[petecarr]

I disagree...a PM would have done the Job..Nothing wrong with being Polite..
Phil..I think you would have flew off the Handle mate if somebody said the same thing about your Photie Lad..
Say what they like about mine..All done without any Photoshop "Cheating"..

I was polite. I had a smilie. You're saying that if someone posted a photo and they said they were unsure about it being too dark and someone (a professional photographer no less) agreed that they'd fly off the handle? Wow, crazy world. As for Photoshop "Cheating". Well thats just a big bag of balls. Film users "cheated" all the time with a darkroom. If you knew anything about photography you would know that Photoshop is just a digital version of that offering users the same features people had in darkrooms. There's no cheating involved. This image could easily have been brightened by using different settings on the camera if you don't want to "cheat".


If I had of edited the photo, Pete wouldn't have given any advice on what was wrong with it and hopefully with my new camera, which seems to have alot more manual control I might be able to improve. When I take a photo thats dark, I'll know I need to reduce the exposure (mental note, need to look in the manual on how to reduce exposure hehe)

Its the other way round, you need to increase the exposure to reduce the darkness :) If your camera has an aperture priority mode, whack it in that and set the fstop depending on the subject. Land/cityscapes you'll want a big number around f/8 or more. Put it in that and the camera will alter the shutter speed automatically. If its blurry you'll need to either increase the ISO or get a tripod. The problem with this image is that if you try and expose for the building the sky will be more blown out because its brighter. Its entirely possible thats the reason why it was dark to start with, the camera metered for the sky and not the building. If you want moody skys and a balanced exposure you'll have to shoot closer to sunset and maybe do some editing in the digital darkroom that is Photoshop. Ignore that other guy, its a perfectly valid tool. Good luck :)

[PhilipG]

I disagree...a PM would have done the Job..Nothing wrong with being Polite..
Phil..I think you would have flew off the Handle mate if somebody said the same thing about your Photie Lad..
Say what they like about mine..All done without any Photoshop "Cheating"..


Gerard, nobody was impolite, so it's not fair of you to say otherwise.

I've said a few times that my 1980s & 1990s photos were taken with a Zenith, and I've commented myself that they're slightly out-of-focus.
I just hope that their historical interest compensates for their technical shortcomings.

As for my new photos with my Olympus digi, They seem darker on my monitor than they do on other monitors, but when I go to the library to check my posts on this forum & on my flickr page they seem fine.

And, for what it's worth, my photos are "as taken", only because I've never bothered to learn how to alter them.

[Gerard]

"I took this pic with my old point and click Pentax Optio 33LF. Just default settings, I wouldn't have a clue about changing them really."

Some of us Dont have a Clue which is my whole point to people ready to make us feel like packing it all in..Nothing wrong with that Lad...Me and you can tell each other Our photies are great !!!..Lol.

[Gerard]

Gerard, nobody was impolite, so it's not fair of you to say otherwise.

I've said a few times that my 1980s & 1990s photos were taken with a Zenith, and I've commented myself that they're slightly out-of-focus.
I just hope that their historical interest compensates for their technical shortcomings.

As for my new photos with my Olympus digi, They seem darker on my monitor than they do on other monitors, but when I go to the library to check my posts on this forum & on my flickr page they seem fine.

And, for what it's worth, my photos are "as taken", only because I've never bothered to learn how to alter them.

Good for you Phil..I still think you would have flew off the Andle though mate !!..Lol.

[scouserdave]

I do, and some of the equipment I use includes my camera phone, a 50 year old film camera, and my Canon A70. I spend a lot of my time helping others on photography forums and have been doing so for around 4 years. Its called constructive criticism, and I only do it to help others get the best from their photography. I know this isn't a photography forum, but I know I can use things I've learned to help others. Of course when a group of people say how great an image is and 1 person offers advice, it looks bad. I would rather that person understands whats wrong with the photo and improves on it than keeps producing images with similar problems. I'm sorry if it sounds harsh, but I hope people appreciate where I'm coming from and that I'm only trying to help.
Agree with Gerard on this one.

Fair comment Pete. But how would you have reacted if I gave you constructive critism on that half fake Walker Art Gallery pic of yours recently posted on Yo? I knew how you made the pic (discussed it with Paul D previously), but I didn't want to hurt your feelings so commented on your pic in pretend ignorance:unibrow: Smurf didn't ask for constructive criticsm, but if he did, I would have given it.

Phil, if I gave you constructive criticsm on Yo about your pics, I feel you'd get in a right huff. But if you asked for constructive criticsm, I'd give it.

Just my tuppensworthhttp://yoliverpool.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Max]

Photo Shop should be renamed Photo God Shop.:PDT_Piratz_26:

I think I only used resizing on my Otterspool pics, otherwise no fixing up on them . But the rest I fixed up.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/394855030/

The one In the link was dark, so I think I used the Shadow/Highlight.:PDT11

[Max]

I like Pete's pics, most of them are HDR but I like the richness of colour In the HDR pics.:PDT_Piratz_26:

I like criticism, then It will help me improve the quality of my pics.:PDT11

[Ged]

Ha ha - some of mine were taken with a Max Spielmann throwaway WOW camera (pink at that) As Rolf used to say 'Can you tell what it is yet'.

What d'ya mean you can tell you cheeky bugger.

[PhilipG]

Agree with Gerard on this one.

Fair comment Pete. But how would you have reacted if I gave you constructive critism on that half fake Walker Art Gallery pic of yours recently posted on Yo? I knew how you made the pic (discussed it with Paul D previously), but I didn't want to hurt your feelings so commented on your pic in pretend ignorance:unibrow: Smurf didn't ask for constructive criticsm, but if he did, I would have given it.

Phil, if I gave you constructive criticsm on Yo about your pics, I feel you'd get in a right huff. But if you asked for constructive criticsm, I'd give it.

Just my tuppensworthhttp://yoliverpool.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Dave, the point is that Smurf did ask for advice.

And I remember your comments about Pete's Walker art Gallery pic - you even said it shouldn't have been allowed as POD.
Now, that wasn't too friendly, was it?

[scouserdave]

PS
Remember what this thread is for. If you want constructive criticsm of your pics, start a new thread.

[scouse smurf]

I think I'm gonna go hide in an under-exposed corner till you lot stop arguing.

I could have easily lightened it with just 2 clicks (the new photo viewer in Vista has some nifty editing facilities) but I did think I'd be cheating if I had.

Anyway, don't argue over a photo taken by little old me. I've just been reading the cinema's thread and there's some tension on there too. I think a few people need a good old massage and no I'm not offering :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[petecarr]

"I took this pic with my old point and click Pentax Optio 33LF. Just default settings, I wouldn't have a clue about changing them really."

Some of us Dont have a Clue which is my whole point to people ready to make us feel like packing it all in..Nothing wrong with that Lad...Me and you can tell each other Our photies are great !!!..Lol.

LOL! Me agreeing with smurf made him want to pack in his photography? I can assure you that in the years that I've been helping people no-one has ever wanted to quit and they've all appreciated my help. Why? Because they know I mean well and they respect my opinion.


Agree with Gerard on this one.

Fair comment Pete. But how would you have reacted if I gave you constructive critism on that half fake Walker Art Gallery pic of yours recently posted on Yo? I knew how you made the pic (discussed it with Paul D previously), but I didn't want to hurt your feelings so commented on your pic in pretend ignorance:unibrow: Smurf didn't ask for constructive critism, but if he did, I would have given it.

Phil, if I gave you constructive criticsm on Yo about your pics, I feel you'd get in a right huff. But if you asked for constructive criticsm, I'd give it.

Just my tuppensworthhttp://yoliverpool.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

He said he was unsure about whether it was dark or not. Most people said it was great, I simply said that it was dark. Its not like I went OTT criticising the composition, image quality, shadows, time of day, highlights, subject, or anything. I simply agreed it was dark.

For the record, people have commented on my "fake" Walker art gallery image and I completely understand what they are saying and appreciate that they are justified in saying its mirrored and fake. My response is simply that I was unable to get a real shot because of the big ass crane on the right hand side. I have no problem admitting this because its true. I'm sure as hell not going to quite photography because someone spots this. I've been posting my images on forums for over 4 years. Its how I've progressed to where I am now. People have always posted criticism on it and still do on a daily basis. They feel ok in saying if an image I do is bad, and I will try to justify why I like it. If they still disagree then thats perfectly fine and I will take their comments on board and try to better it next time.


I could have easily lightened it with just 2 clicks (the new photo viewer in Vista has some nifty editing facilities) but I did think I'd be cheating if I had.

Don't think its cheating. Its not. Photographers have been doing it for years in darkrooms, its just that its not as publicsed as Photoshop is.

[scouserdave]

Dave, the point is that Smurf did ask for advice.

And I remember your comments about Dave's Walker art Gallery pic - you even said it shouldn't have been allowed as POD.
Now, that wasn't too friendly, was it?
Just constructive criticsm Phil. Still think the reason you're narked with me is because I mentioned some of your night pics were a bit "noisy" LOL!

[scouserdave]

Ladies, ladies! Can we discuss this "constructive criticsm" on another thread?

[PhilipG]

Just constructive criticsm Phil. Still think the reason you're narked with me is because I mentioned some of your night pics were a bit "noisy" LOL!

Dave, that's got nothing to do with it.
Besides, I'm still not sure what "noise" is.

I remember, very recently, that you "tweaked" somebody's photo without being asked to, so you're certainly in no position to criticise somebody who gives advice when it's has been asked for.

[snappel]

I think it would be foolish of anyone who doesn't want constructive criticism on their photos to post them on a public forum. What's the point? To be patronised and told every shot you take is brilliant?

This thread is getting boring, and there's an easy solution - if you don't like comments on your photos, post them where people can't comment, or don't post them at all!

[petecarr]

Dave, that's got nothing to do with it.
Besides, I'm still not sure what "noise" is.

Scroll down here (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/neatimage.shtml) to the 2 images. The left is noisy, the right isn't as bad. On film cameras its called grain and creates that moody look you get in black and white images.

[scouserdave]

if you don't like comments on your photos, post them where people can't comment, or don't post them at all!
Snappel, comments like this are going to put off people with less talent than you and Pete....oh yeah, better mention Phil too:unibrow:.... contributing to this thread.

[snappel]

But it shouldn't put people off, it should entice them! My photographic skills are hit and miss to say the least, and so I gravitate towards those who might be able to give me some useful feedback. Personally if somebody who is qualified to do so gives me criticism, and they're obviously not being vindictive, offensive or rude, then there's no way it would discourage me!

[scouserdave]

But it will put people off contributing to this thread. If somebody asks for constructive criticsm, give it. If they don't ask for it, then don't give it.

[snappel]

We criticise and argue about what each other writes, why should it stop there? Photography is just another form of expression after all...

[scouse smurf]

I hope all these messages will be removed or moved elsewhere, it's really spoiling a great thread :disgust: .... Hides back in the darkened corner

[scouserdave]

BTW, if you lot are so keen on KonstruKtive criticism, why hasn't anyone told me I've been spelling "criticsm" wrong on this thread? Bluddy son just pointed it out to me! LOL!

[PhilipG]

Scroll down here (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/neatimage.shtml) to the 2 images. The left is noisy, the right isn't as bad. On film cameras its called grain and creates that moody look you get in black and white images.

Thanks, Pete.
I don't know much about digi photography, and I've only ever been an amateur, anyway.

[Max]

I don't remember Phil asking for criticism once when you said his pic was boring though Dave.:PDT10

Any links to this fake Art Gallery Pic? I'd like to see It.:)

[petecarr]

I don't remember Phil asking for criticism once when you said his pic was boring though Dave.:PDT10

Any links to this fake Art Gallery Pic? I'd like to see It.:)

If they mean mine, its this one (http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2007/01/the-colourful-walker-art-gallery/).

[scouserdave]

We criticise and argue about what each other writes, why should it stop there? Photography is just another form of expression after all...
It's just that I haven't seen much constructive criticism regarding photos on this forum until an hour ago. :rolleyes:

[petecarr]

It's just that I haven't seen much constructive criticism regarding photos on this forum until an hour ago. :rolleyes:

Which makes all this nonsense even more stupid. If I had been constantly moaning about peoples images in every thread, "oh its noisy, too soft, outa focus, bad lighting, bad composition" etc then maybe people would be justified in having a pop at me. The fact is, I haven't because I know people who just like to take the odd picture now and then don't want to hear it. However, in this instance smurf was contemplating lightening the image because he thought it was dark. I agreed and explained it was under-exposed, the technical term for it. Ask any photographer and they will spot it a mile off. Its not harsh, its not nasty or mean, its simply a technical issue that can easily be corrected next time he's shooting.

[scouserdave]

If they mean mine, its this one (http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/2007/01/the-colourful-walker-art-gallery/).
Pete, I know you usually like to inform people how you compose your excellent photos, but for some reason you didn't in the case of this image if I recall, until I pointed it out. I feel it could have been improved if you took more time to include the Michelangelo statue, rather than having the same Raphael statue on the left and right.

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all

We possibly do need a thread to discuss photography since as I see it photography is one of the strengths of this forum. Do you wish us to set up such a thread? We could start by moving some of these posts there.

Chris

[scouserdave]

Hi all

We possibly do need a thread to discuss photography since as I see it photography is one of the strengths of this forum. Do you wish us to set up such a thread? We could start by moving some of these posts there.

Chris
Which is what I asked for in a previous post.

[scouse smurf]

Sounds good to me

[Gerard]

"Don't think its cheating. Its not. Photographers have been doing it for years in darkrooms, its just that its not as publicsed as Photoshop is."

How far would you get in any Competitions Pete if you never used Photoshop or the Like..Why do Pro's pay £400 or whatever for CS2 (Have I got that Right !!).
Isnt that Cheating..Nobody with "Undoctored" Pics would stand a chance.
......................

"Snappel, comments like this are going to put off people with less talent than you and Pete....oh yeah, better mention Phil too.... contributing to this thread."

Here Here.
.......................

"This thread is getting boring, and there's an easy solution - if you don't like comments on your photos, post them where people can't comment, or don't post them at all!"

As I've said Snappel I dont Cheat and couldn't give a Toss mate what anybody say's about my Photies,I hope Others aren't put off though as easily mate what with being newbies..or even oldbies !!..and Being a bit weary what you leading Photographers might say about their photo's..
If yer trying to stop people Posting Photos then yer goin' the right way about it.

[scouserdave]

Snappel mate, your mailbox is full. Tried to send you a couple of PMs about the Dockers Clock over the past couple of days.

[ChrisGeorge]

I've asked the Kevster about setting up a photo discussion thread. Should hear back from him shortly.

Chris

[scouserdave]

I've asked the Kevster about setting up a photo discussion thread. Should hear back from him shortly.

Chris
Thanks Chris. However, I bet it'll hardly ever be used. I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong though.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[Ged]

Does this mean I have to stop buying WOW throwaway cameras. I'd rather see a pic of somewhere generated by one of them than not see it at all :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

What's a darkroom - is it somewhere you go when you've got a hangover :)

[Ged]

Lighten up chaps (Doh) Me and my big gob again. :hug:

[scouserdave]

Lighten up
Yet more constructive criticism for Smurfs pic:unibrow:

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi all

Previous to Photoshop, old time photographers used various tricks in the darkroom to enhance their photographs, so I don't think it necessarily bad form or out of bounds to do that type of thing. A well known award-winning photographer here in the Chesapeake Bay area of the United States was A. Aubrey Bodine (1906-1970) and he consistently used such tricks to bring out the best of his photographs. Below is an example.

Chris

http://www.mpt.org/programsinterests/mpt/imagesofmd/photo_gallery/photos/bo_ship1.jpg

Photo courtesy of Maryland Public Television. See also http://www.marylandartsource.org/artists/detail_000000109.html

[Gerard]

Hi all

Previous to Photoshop, old time photographers used various tricks in the darkroom to enhance their photographs, so I don't think it necessarily bad form or out of bounds to do that type of thing. A well known award-winning photographer here in the Chesapeake Bay area of the United States was A. Aubrey Bodine (1906-1970) and he consistently used such tricks to bring out the best of his photographs. Below is an example.

Chris

http://www.mpt.org/programsinterests/mpt/imagesofmd/photo_gallery/photos/bo_ship1.jpg

Photo courtesy of Maryland Public Television. See also http://www.marylandartsource.org/artists/detail_000000109.html

Sorry Chris..He cheated mate !!!..Lol.

[Gerard]

Chris,Im not saying that Photoshop and the Like are Bad things,I've got Photoshop 5 but I cant use it !!..I even had the £400 CS2 installed on my computer by the nephew for nothing and I got shut of it..Too High tec and Complicated for me mate..
What I'm saying is that a Responsible photographer should know Better than to Frighten people from Posting Pictures...
Do you think any Newbie (or even Oldbie) with a £40 point and shoot would be put off by all this....I do.

[snappel]

Sorry Chris..He cheated mate !!!..Lol.
Sorry, cheated at what? Where are the rules he broke? If he'd entered a 'no tweaking' photo competition, he'd be cheating, but otherwise I don't see the relevance...

[scouserdave]

I think Gerard was just taking the ****, I don't think he meant it seriously....I may be wrong though!!:)

Snappel, is your mailbox still full? I want to PM you mate.

[snappel]

I've just emptied it - didn't realise it was full!

[Gerard]

Sorry, cheated at what? Where are the rules he broke? If he'd entered a 'no tweaking' photo competition, he'd be cheating, but otherwise I don't see the relevance...


Snappel, Im not saying people who use Photoshop are breaking any rules..
A Photo with a Phoney Sky or whatever is a phoney no matter how good it looks..And thats Cheating where I come from even if the Photo is only intended for Personal use..I'm not Knocking Photoshop..I wish I could produce Photos of the Quality that you people produce but I cant get me ead around it,,And I would never have a go at others..(Friendly or Otherwise)..Knowing that I used such methods to make mine better while this other person Is propably using a £40 Camera..and that does not mean Smurf by the way..But Do you get my Point....As I've already said..Smurf must think his Photies are Crap Now..Me mate..I couldnt have done that..Its not as if Pete is Chatting on one of his Photo Forums amongst his Pro Friends..Is it !!

[scouse smurf]

ok, now it's quietened down.

Just want to say that the only thing that would make me consider never posting a photo again is all this fuss over it. Even if someone said the photo was crap, I wouldn't have minded.

Whoever are the mods here, any chance u can move all this stuff out of this thread coz it really does spoil it and that I think would put anyone off posting their photo more than comments. :)

[Gerard]

Thanks, I was thinking of lightening the photo a little but decided against it :)


And thats what smurf said..He never asked for anyones opinion.

[Gerard]

ok, now it's quietened down.

Just want to say that the only thing that would make me consider never posting a photo again is all this fuss over it. Even if someone said the photo was crap, I wouldn't have minded.

Whoever are the mods here, any chance u can move all this stuff out of this thread coz it really does spoil it and that I think would put anyone off posting their photo more than comments. :)

That'l do for me smurf..:handclap: ,,End of as far as I'm concerned.

[Ged]

That photo was crap by the way.




Only kidding <still need a wink smiley>

[Gerard]

Pete,snappel and Phil..
No hard feelin's lads..Lets move on.

[victorialush]

Just want to say that the only thing that would make me consider never posting a photo again is all this fuss over it. :)


That is a shame, I think this forum is great and the more people that post the better. Posting pictures is great too, I have only just bought myself a little camera, I love it. I really wouldn't mind constructive criticism as I am sure you didn't.
Many people on here like to give their 2 penneth, that is probably part and parcel of being a Scouser. Brush it off and move on, continue taking and posting pictures, I know I will.

[Sloyne]

Say what they like about mine..All done without any Photoshop "Cheating"..Mine too. I don't even like using a ND or A1 filter even though they have very little effect on the image. I have no problem with others using 'Photoshop' to enhance their own endeavours and do enjoy viewing other people photo's on the web. I learn something from almost every photo submitted.

PS: My own favourite subjects are maritime.

[lindylou]

Personally, I usually acknowledge other members photos as I think it shows that you have taken the time to look. It shows that the posting isn't being ignored or overlooked. I think it is good manners to acknowledge that you have looked at them. Sometimes there are too many to keep up with though. :)

In my humble opinion, I think most of the pics are good ones and there are very few really bad ones.

There are some outstanding photographers here which goes without saying.

Those of us like myself just like to post our little amateur snaps ( amateur -speaking for myself of course).
Like Gerard, I don't know how to use photo enhancing techniques, and like Gerard I don't care what anyone thinks of my pics, I don't mind at all if they look like rubbish :) - (but after saying that, I wouldn't be at all offended at any criticism).

[petecarr]

What I'm saying is that a Responsible photographer should know Better than to Frighten people from Posting Pictures...


As I've already said..Smurf must think his Photies are Crap Now..Me mate..I couldnt have done that..Its not as if Pete is Chatting on one of his Photo Forums amongst his Pro Friends..Is it !!

OH SOMEONES GOD! Please prove both points. Prove that people are now sitting in their houses crying due to fear of me saying whether their photos are too dark or not. Prove that smurf is now burning his camera and leaving the country due to my incredibly hurtful comments. For the love of fred flintstone's right butt cheek, he thought about lightening it and I agreed. That was it! All this because I agreed with someone! Jeez, I wish I had been harsh and really mean now. At least there would have been a point to all this then. Anyways, the forums I post on aren't populated by pro's. They're populated by people just like the ones here. A pro is only someone who makes money from their work. There's better amateurs than me. I think the things you've been saying have been far worse than my one little comment that started it.

[snappel]

Ok, I'm sure you're joking a bit with this Gerard, bit even so, I think this comes down to individual's characters.


As I've already said..Smurf must think his Photies are Crap Now..Me mate..I couldnt have done that..Its not as if Pete is Chatting on one of his Photo Forums amongst his Pro Friends..Is it !!If anyone thinks their photos are crap because Pete said one should be lightened up, then they've obviously got some self-esteem problems.

It's quite simple really - take photos, and those that you want to share with others, do so. But it's pointless showing photos to people if you only want to be told they're good. And in the end, you're doing yourself no favours.

One of the greatest abilities of the human race (and let's not get into some sh!tty political argument here) is it's ability to learn, and learn quickly. I'm sure Smurf (who gladly accepted Pete's comment) will go out next time with his camera and take some pictures that he feels are better than his last. That's progression, and that's the kind of spirit that gets you somewhere in life. Nobody takes award winning photos on day one.

Those who burst into tears the moment they come up against a bit of criticism may aswell just give up now and not bother trying.

[Sloyne]

Anyways, the forums I post on aren't populated by pro's. They're populated by people just like the ones here.Can I have some of those www addresses please? Thanks in advance.

[john]

Ok, I'm sure you're joking a bit with this Gerard, bit even so, I think this comes down to individual's characters.

If anyone thinks their photos are crap because Pete said one should be lightened up, then they've obviously got some self-esteem problems.

It's quite simple really - take photos, and those that you want to share with others, do so. But it's pointless showing photos to people if you only want to be told they're good. And in the end, you're doing yourself no favours.

One of the greatest abilities of the human race (and let's not get into some sh!tty political argument here) is it's ability to learn, and learn quickly. I'm sure Smurf (who gladly accepted Pete's comment) will go out next time with his camera and take some pictures that he feels are better than his last. That's progression, and that's the kind of spirit that gets you somewhere in life. Nobody takes award winning photos on day one.

Those who burst into tears the moment they come up against a bit of criticism may aswell just give up now and not bother trying.

I agree with Snappels comments, I don't know the about the technical aspects of taking photos, I take photos and learn by trial and error, or by someone suggesting, offering advice or showing me.
I really enjoy the photos that people post and often say so, I see things that I like or think that are really good, I don't wonder if they have used some software to enhance the photo.
keep posting your photos there are people who appreciate you sharing them with us.

[lindylou]

I agree that it's good to take advice and to learn a little bit more.
The forum has encouraged many of us to take our camera out more often and look out for things we might otherwise have passed by.

It's a good thing to learn some pointers and techniques, but sometimes you just want to chuck in a quick snap to show what the local boozer looks like these days, or just to give an idea what the thing or place being discussed looks like, ie; I posted a couple of bad pics of Holy Trinity church in the Julia Wallace thread - the top of the spire cut off !! but it doesn't matter at all 'cos It's just a quick snap to show the church in question. It's meant to be a bit of instant info rather than a picturesque image.

The other styles of photos on here are clearly meant to be more artistic.

[victorialush]

I agree that it's good to take advice and to learn a little bit more.
The forum has encouraged many of us to take our camera out more often and look out for things we might otherwise have passed by.

It's a good thing to learn some pointers and techniques, but sometimes you just want to chuck in a quick snap to show what the local boozer looks like these days, or just to give an idea what the thing or place being discussed looks like, ie; I posted a couple of bad pics of Holy Trinity church in the Julia Wallace thread - the top of the spire cut off !! but it doesn't matter at all 'cos It's just a quick snap to show the church in question. It's meant to be a bit of instant info rather than a picturesque image.

The other styles of photos on here are clearly meant to be more artistic.

I agree, this forum has encourage both me and my Mum to take more pics of things. I don't mind being told if my picture needs tweeking, I am learning all the time from people on this board.

I also use photoshop to sharpen, lighten or fix contrast... it is also a great way to change your pictures to black and white.

[snappel]

Yes, sure, but people should be able to be told their picture is underexposed without taking offence! Little one line comments like that can really help make a big difference to people's work.

[lindylou]

.. one of these days I'm gonna' make time to find out how to do it :) :)

[Gerard]

Yes, sure, but people should be able to be told their picture is underexposed without taking offence! Little one line comments like that can really help make a big difference to people's work.

I agree snappel.. IF they ask for advise mate which smurf WASN'T doing...Pete was actually disagreeing with me as you'l see if you read it all...Its OK isn't it if I answer him...Shall we move on here like I suggested before.

[petecarr]

I agree snappel.. IF they ask for advise mate which smurf WASN'T doing...Pete was actually disagreeing with me as you'l see if you read it all...Its OK isn't it if I answer him...Shall we move on here like I suggested before.

What is it with you? Ok so he didn't flat out ask for tips but he did say he was contemplating lightening it. Now that suggests he thought it was a bit too dark. However everyone then chimed in with "Great shot" which made him think it was fine. Now how many of those people were photographers who maybe should have said that it is a bit dark? Would we be having any of this crap if any of the others who said "Great shot" simply said "It looks a bit dark to me mate." I really doubt it. If someone says "I did think about going out today but I couldn't be bothered" and someone replies with "Aw you shoulda gone it was great" would we have a whole bunch of crap like this? Should we all flatter them with "You did the right thing by missing out on a great event, keep it up" ?? I really don't get why you're fighting someone else's battle when they're actually ok with what I said. This is all just crazy, well actually most people seem to be agreeing with me here, even you. Its just crazy semantics that only you seem to be having an issue with here.

Talk Photography (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/index.php) if you don't mind someone telling you your photo is dark.

[Gerard]

What is it with you? Ok so he didn't flat out ask for tips but he did say he was contemplating lightening it. Now that suggests he thought it was a bit too dark. However everyone then chimed in with "Great shot" which made him think it was fine. Now how many of those people were photographers who maybe should have said that it is a bit dark? Would we be having any of this crap if any of the others who said "Great shot" simply said "It looks a bit dark to me mate." I really doubt it. If someone says "I did think about going out today but I couldn't be bothered" and someone replies with "Aw you shoulda gone it was great" would we have a whole bunch of crap like this? Should we all flatter them with "You did the right thing by missing out on a great event, keep it up" ?? I really don't get why you're fighting someone else's battle when they're actually ok with what I said. This is all just crazy, well actually most people seem to be agreeing with me here, even you. Its just crazy semantics that only you seem to be having an issue with here.

Talk Photography (http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/forums/index.php) if you don't mind someone telling you your photo is dark.

Im Ok with it Pete..I did ask to move on and said no hard feelings..You did see that didnt you..So snappel then jumps back in to which Ive just answered asking to move on again..
Now your havin another Pop...What is it with Me !!!..... No Lad..What is it with you...Why dont you just leave it at that Eh like I asked about 4 hours ago...
Yer might be a great Photographer Lad but dont yer Haven't got a Clue about Good manners/Tact or whatever yer wanna call it...
Are we to have the "Experts" commenting now on all the Amateur Rubbish,D'yer think thats gonna Encourage People to Post Photo's...
As for its only me who feels about this..Maybe the People who sent me PM's will now say their bit after seeing you wont let this go..
Actually Folks..Stay out of it please..I can stick up fer meself thanks.

[PhilipG]

In an hour and a half somebody can post tomorrow's POD.

[scouse smurf]

Are we to have the "Experts" commenting now on all the Amateur Rubbish,D'yer think thats gonna Encourage People to Post Photo's....

Are u saying my photo is rubbish now ??? boohoo lol

[Kev]

OMG what has happened since I've been away! :PDT_Xtremez_42:I'll create a separate thread and we can take it from there...and yes Maxy, I'm chocker busy at the mo.

[victorialush]

Fab! :PDT_Piratz_26:

Someone teach me how to macro, please...

[scouse smurf]

Nice to see you Kev. U've missed all the fun. Good idea, this section though :)

[petecarr]

Yer might be a great Photographer Lad but dont yer Haven't got a Clue about Good manners/Tact or whatever yer wanna call it...

No, I do. Thats why I posted a nice helpful comment that only you flew off the handle about. I can easily and have always posted in a nice calm polite manner here. I'm just now sick of the nonsense that you've created here and I'm tired of you constantly saying that I started it with a helpeful comment. Surely you should take a minute to note that smurf was ok with what I said. You should think about that and maybe think to yourself that what I said was actually perfectly reasonable.


Are we to have the "Experts" commenting now on all the Amateur Rubbish,D'yer think thats gonna Encourage People to Post Photo's...

Yeah cos in the 7 months I've been here I've made countless members leave because of my rude and hurtful comments about their photography. God only hope someone taking a night time shot. I will smite them with a "OMG ITS DARK!" comment so fast that they won't be able to see for weeks commenting on how dark it is with their eyes closed.

I made 1, probably my first ever constructive criticism comment here on someones image that they thought was dark. 1 comment caused all this. I personally think you have some issue with me, and I while I was hoping you would realise how stupid this has all been I can't see that happening. Look back in the thread, see that smurf was ok with all this and please realise how stupid it is. I suppose I could have a go at you for having a go at my comments. I never asked for any criticism on what I said, you have no right to criticize my words. Although, that would be REALLY silly.

You still haven't answered my question. Would we have had any of this if anyone else but me had posted "Its a bit dark mate"? Would we? I really really doubt it.

I'm sorry to everyone else about all this. Feel free to delete my posts here as I think we've successfully ruined this thread. I just don't take kindly to someone having a go at me for 1 helpful comment. Whether it was asked for or not I wasn't rude, offensive, mean, and it wasn't even written in French! Sorry everyone :(

[victorialush]

Sorry everyone :(

You don't have to be sorry, I don't think what you said was harsh. I think Gerard was just sticking up for a new poster...

I would gladly take your comments on board, I would take anyones comments on board really. Maybe we could start a thread with hints and tips in it or something.
There are a lot of different levels of photographer on this site, it is no biggie at all.

[scouse smurf]

Please can you 2 just kiss and make up or if thats a bit too much, how about just a friendly handshake.

[victorialush]

Please can you 2 just kiss and make up or if thats a bit too much, how about just a friendly handshake.

And you with your dark pictures, tsk... just kidding fella :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

If you have noticed, people will always come along and say how great your pic is... and because nobody ever says it about mine I come to the realisation that mine are all sh1te... now go to hell you bunch of b@srds... only joking :unibrow:

[PhilipG]

8 active viewers, Kev.
Is that a record?

[victorialush]

8 active viewers, Kev.
Is that a record?

0 guests though, the word hasn't got round yet :D

[scouse smurf]

Maybe we could start a thread with hints and tips in it or something.
There are a lot of different levels of photographer on this site, it is no biggie at all.

Good Idea could also have stuff like

1. Hardware - I've seen a few threads about... I'm getting a new cam, etc
2. Asking for Help - Questions about any aspect of photography

[john]

Peter unsure if the quote

Yer might be a great Photographer Lad but dont yer Haven't got a Clue about Good manners/Tact or whatever yer wanna call it...

was about you, maybe Gerard will correct if I am wrong

Its a shame it got to this, I think Gerard did put out an olive branch earlier in the thread and tried to put a close to the disagreement.

Hopefully some of the Newbies have not been frightened off, its not always like this

[john]

And you with your dark pictures, tsk... just kidding fella :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

If you have noticed, people will always come along and say how great your pic is... and because nobody ever says it about mine I come to the realisation that mine are all sh1te... now go to hell you bunch of b@srds... only joking :unibrow:

Nice one Vic :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

[victorialush]

Good Idea could also have stuff like

1. Hardware - I've seen a few threads about... I'm getting a new cam, etc
2. Asking for Help - Questions about any aspect of photog

I know I would like to get a lot more out of my camera... Just not sure how people do it...

[Gerard]

No, I do. Thats why I posted a nice helpful comment that only you flew off the handle about. I can easily and have always posted in a nice calm polite manner here. I'm just now sick of the nonsense that you've created here and I'm tired of you constantly saying that I started it with a helpeful comment. Surely you should take a minute to note that smurf was ok with what I said. You should think about that and maybe think to yourself that what I said was actually perfectly reasonable.



Yeah cos in the 7 months I've been here I've made countless members leave because of my rude and hurtful comments about their photography. God only hope someone taking a night time shot. I will smite them with a "OMG ITS DARK!" comment so fast that they won't be able to see for weeks commenting on how dark it is with their eyes closed.

I made 1, probably my first ever constructive criticism comment here on someones image that they thought was dark. 1 comment caused all this. I personally think you have some issue with me, and I while I was hoping you would realise how stupid this has all been I can't see that happening. Look back in the thread, see that smurf was ok with all this and please realise how stupid it is. I suppose I could have a go at you for having a go at my comments. I never asked for any criticism on what I said, you have no right to criticize my words. Although, that would be REALLY silly.

You still haven't answered my question. Would we have had any of this if anyone else but me had posted "Its a bit dark mate"? Would we? I really really doubt it.

I'm sorry to everyone else about all this. Feel free to delete my posts here as I think we've successfully ruined this thread. I just don't take kindly to someone having a go at me for 1 helpful comment. Whether it was asked for or not I wasn't rude, offensive, mean, and it wasn't even written in French! Sorry everyone :(

What do yer mean Pete by...

"You still haven't answered my question. Would we have had any of this if anyone else but me had posted "Its a bit dark mate"? Would we? I really really doubt it. "

Do yer think Im having a go at you Lad..Thats why I voted for you mate in that Competition thingy..Sorry Pete..Yer not getting My vote Next Time.

Yer Barred !!..Lol....End of whether you like it or Not.

[john]

Gerard :handclap:

[victorialush]

What do yer mean Pete by...

"You still haven't answered my question. Would we have had any of this if anyone else but me had posted "Its a bit dark mate"? Would we? I really really doubt it. "

Do yer think Im having a go at you Lad..Thats why I voted for you mate in that Competition thingy..Sorry Pete..Yer not getting My vote Next Time.

Yer Barred !!..Lol....End of whether you like it or Not.

Oh Gerard, have you been at the sherry again... put the bottle down and lets group hug.


















:hug:

[scouse smurf]

STAMPS FEET. Shut up and play nicely !!!!! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[victorialush]

STAMPS FEET. Shut up and play nicely !!!!! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
*smacks you for having a dark picture*
































I am laffing hard here

[PhilipG]

Everybody's reading this blessed thread!

Nobody's said how wonderful, great, fantastic, dark, my photo of the Old Post Office Pub is.

I'm gonna sulk for 3 seconds.

[john]

Where is it Phil, so we can rip it apart?:)

[PhilipG]

Where is it Phil, so we can rip it apart?:)

It's in "Pubs", John.

[Gerard]

Everybody's reading this blessed thread!

Nobody's said how wonderful, great, fantastic, dark, my photo of the Old Post Office Pub is.

I'm gonna sulk for 3 seconds.


Is it as good as This Phil..I was gonna Brighten it but wasn't sure..Anyone got any advise..Lol..Be Gentle with me now..Ive got Feeling's yer know !!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1050570.jpg

[PhilipG]

Is it as good as This Phil..I was gonna Brighten it but wasn't sure..Anyone got any advise..Lol..Be Gentle with me now..Ive got Feeling's yer know !!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1050570.jpg


Seeing as you've asked me Gerard.

.......................

I'd better not say.
Ok, I know, I'm a coward!
:) :) :)

[victorialush]

Is it as good as This Phil..I was gonna Brighten it but wasn't sure..Anyone got any advise..Lol..Be Gentle with me now..Ive got Feeling's yer know !!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1050570.jpg


Fantastic pic Gerard :PDT11

[PhilipG]

Fantastic pic Gerard :PDT11

Now that one person has said it's fantastic, I have to agree.

Wonderful pic, Gerard.










Isn't this where we came in?

[A.D.W]

Not a bad picture, young Gerard, but I think the slightly lighter part of the picture would look better on the right of the picture instead of the left.

:)

[petecarr]

What do yer mean Pete by...

"You still haven't answered my question. Would we have had any of this if anyone else but me had posted "Its a bit dark mate"? Would we? I really really doubt it. "

Do yer think Im having a go at you Lad..Thats why I voted for you mate in that Competition thingy..Sorry Pete..Yer not getting My vote Next Time.

Yer Barred !!..Lol....End of whether you like it or Not.

Well I did because you said that a responsible photographer shouldn't scare people off (which you have still not proven that I have) and that I made smurf very unhappy with his photo for simply saying it was dark (which he has said he was ok with). The feeling I got from your posts was that you in some way resented my comment because it was from me. You talked about me hanging out with my "pro" mates. I must admit, it felt very personal then.

This is a forum, a place for discussion. How rubbish a forum would this be if everyone made points that everyone else completely agreed? I think Liverpool is horrible says a random newbie poster, yey woo brilliant, says everyone else. I think football is rubbish says someone else, yey woo awesome great post, says everyone else. It doesn't work that way does it?

In fact, your post is the perfect response really. smurf says "I was thinking about lightening it" and you say "It looks good to me". Now, he never asked for your criticism did he? Or did he by publically saying it may have needed lightening? He thought something, you tried to reassure him, I tried to help him out. I wouldn't have said anything if he didn't, just as you wouldn't have been able to reply to that post. You were being nice trying to encourage him to post more photos, I was being nice trying to help him take better photos. Where's the harm in that?

[scouse smurf]

I see you 2 haven't smooched yet then :61:

[petecarr]

I see you 2 haven't smooched yet then :61:

Yeah sorry dude, I don't kiss guys ;)

[snappel]

I think what it comes down to is personally character.

Most people I know who take photos do so for themselves primarily. That means that they take the photos they want to take, and decide whether or not they like them. If somebody does take offence at being told their picture is a bit dark, then they obviously don't have much belief in themselves do they?

This has spiralled way out of hand, and I have to say that there's no parity here. We can argue with each other about what we write, but according to Gerard not our photos.

Having just signed up to another forum (thanks Pete), I have to say that the patronising 'no commenting' attitude is more likely to scare me away than make me stay. I really feel I've improved as a photographer over the last year for a number of reasons, including experimentation, new equipment and taking inspiration from others. If I'd been happy with my horrible flash-heavy badly composed shots from November 2005, then I'd never have improved.

Usually the day after an evening photo session, me and my mate swap photos and criticise/comment on each other's work. It's how we stay inspired and how we learn new things.

Yes, I know this isn't a photography forum, and I know criticism isn't usually specifically asked for, but come on guys, we're adults here, not primary school kids painting pictures. If anyone can't take a tactful, fair one-line comment on their photo other than 'That's nice!', then it's their problem.

[Max]

Yeah sorry dude, I don't kiss guys ;)

What about the good looking ladies on your flickr photos?:PDT11 :unibrow:

[petecarr]

What about the good looking ladies on your flickr photos?:PDT11 :unibrow:

They're not guys, so sure :unibrow:

[Ged]

.

There are some outstanding photographers here which goes without saying.




Thank you Lindylou. I never knew people noticed. I'm still trying to find the lighten up button on my Maxy Wow camera though (ps if I turn it upside down will it ruin the film inside - i'm not up on these things)

[petecarr]

Thank you Lindylou. I never knew people noticed. I'm still trying to find the lighten up button on my Maxy Wow camera though (ps if I turn it upside down will it ruin the film inside - i'm not up on these things)

I have Lomo LC-A and the controls on that are like distance to subject, and aperture. I'm not sure if your cam has autofocus or not, but this doesn't. Its a hell of a lot of fun to shoot with though, knowing there's very little I can do with the settings. Its just snap snap snap, pure fun.

[Max]

They're not guys, so sure :unibrow:

More of them should wear clown makeup like these ones.:PDT_Piratz_26:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/petecarr/208452550/in/set-72157594226800425/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/petecarr/208452595/in/set-72157594226800425/

[petecarr]

More of them should wear clown makeup like these ones.:PDT_Piratz_26:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/petecarr/208452550/in/set-72157594226800425/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/petecarr/208452595/in/set-72157594226800425/

Imagine that the morning after. Wake up, stretch and look over ....

[Ged]

I have Lomo LC-A and the controls on that are like distance to subject, and aperture. I'm not sure if your cam has autofocus or not, but this doesn't. Its a hell of a lot of fun to shoot with though, knowing there's very little I can do with the settings. Its just snap snap snap, pure fun.


Please explain - what is aperture and autofocus? Who is Lomo LC-A? :034:

[Max]

Imagine that the morning after. Wake up, stretch and look over ....

Even better.:PDT_Piratz_26: :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[petecarr]

Please explain - what is aperture and autofocus? Who is Lomo LC-A? :034:

This is the Lomo LC-A (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:LOMOLCA.jpg). The camera is an old Russian film camera. It has no real feature's aside from a light meter (to tell you whether the scene is too bright or too dark) in the fashion of a red bulb. It has aperture controls, so if you're shooting people you can set it so the background is blurred and the person is sharp. It doesn't have autofocus, so when you go to take a picture it won't focus on the subject. You have to tell it how far away from you something is. Thats about it really. Its very manual. Read more on Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomography). A £5 disposable camera is probably more advanced :D Its become a cult camera with people who do Lomography. Its a style of photography that anyone can be involved with.


The following are the company's 10 Rules of Lomography:

1. Take your LOMO everywhere you go & whenever you go.
2. Use it anytime — day or night.
3. Lomography is not an interference in your life, but a part of it.
4. Shoot from the hip.
5. Approach the objects of your lomographic desire as close as possible.
6. Don't think.
7. Be fast.
8. You don't have to know beforehand what you've captured on film.
9. You don't have to know afterwards, either.
10. Don't worry about the rules.


Everything goes out the window. You don't have to worry about settings, or cameras, or skills, or anything. Its all about capturing life on the fly. Don't think, just shoot. I love it. Its a great sense of freedom. You can see some of mine on my site (http://www.vanilladays.com/gallery/category/Lomo/). Some are technically completely bad photos, but I like them for various reasons.

[scouse smurf]

Thats one thing I can't do with my new camera. I can't turn off auto focus :(

[Ged]

The button you press to actually take the picture, is it on the left or on the right? Mine's positioned on the top of the camera but on the back nearside is like a little window that you look through. I'm looking through it now and can see the PC screen so I take it that will be whatever I want to photograph?

[scouse smurf]

The button you press to actually take the picture, is it on the left or on the right? Mine's positioned on the top of the camera but on the back nearside is like a little window that you look through. I'm looking through it now and can see the PC screen so I take it that will be whatever I want to photograph?

Wouldn't that depend on if u've got the lens facing towards or away from you?

[Max]

The Lomo looks like It sees with beer goggles on.

[Gerard]

Hello Gang....:unibrow:

[wallasey]

What ever happened to the day's when you could just take a picture? All this techy stuff is bad for yer health. Just simply switch the camera on and press the button. By keeping it simple, you get the best results in my opinion.

[petecarr]

What ever happened to the day's when you could just take a picture? All this techy stuff is bad for yer health. Just simply switch the camera on and press the button. By keeping it simple, you get the best results in my opinion.

If it works for you put it in auto and take a photo. It doesn't work for everyone however. Lots of photographers who used film would have tweaked their image in a darkroom. On a digital SLR you can't keep things simple by putting it in auto and pushing the button. Its such a waste of technology, and the camera itself actually produces dull images compared to a digital compact. The designers know people will prefer this because they want their images as baseline as possible so they can work on them how they want to. Plus it all depends on who you are, what you are shooting and what you want to produce. I do a lot of fine art photography so I do a lot of work on mine to achieve a certain result. I try to allow others to see the world as I do. Plus, I'm a perfectionist and camera technology just isn't up to capturing things as well as I want them to.

[Ged]

I've just taken a nice pic of myself. Thanks for nothing.

[ChrisGeorge]

I've just taken a nice pic of myself. Thanks for nothing.

Is your camera broken now, Ged? :)

[Ged]

I've got some good ones that i'm emailing to Canning Place police H.Q. They are of my fingerprints. They should tell you in the shop that you're not to cover that little square window, I just thought it had gone dark early and was going to ask on here how you lighten them up.

[scouserdave]

Dave, that's got nothing to do with it.
Besides, I'm still not sure what "noise" is.

I remember, very recently, that you "tweaked" somebody's photo without being asked to, so you're certainly in no position to criticise somebody who gives advice when it's has been asked for.

-----------------------------------------
Phil, that's twice you've written that Smurf asked for advice when he didn't.

I know my constructive criticism about camera noise in your pics wasn't taken very well, as your feigned ignorance in the above quote shows.

On the 21.10.06, you wrote:

What's "noise", Dave?
Is it good, or bad?
Here's a shot resting on a little wall.
As long as the camera isn't moving, why is a tripod indispensable?
I wouldn't feel safe messing with one on Park Road!

and I replied on the same day:

Fantastic pic Philip.
Noise (http://www.photoxels.com/tutorial_noise.html) is bad, by the way. Google it
Why is a tripod indispensable? That's a bit of a no brainer. If there wasn't a little wall to place your camera on to take a pic, you could always use a tripod.

To which you replied:

I'm not against tripods.
But the point I'm trying to make is I like to take photos as quickly and unobtrusively as possible, especially when I'm on my own in a dark street.
If the little wall hadn't been there, I'd have looked for a lamp-post to lean the camera against.
Thanks for the link.
I'm new to digital cameras.

What I'm trying to say to the readers of this thread is that if somebody posts an image and requests a critique, then give it. Don't make the mistake that I did (see above) and offer it without being asked, as you may be resented.

Same as my constructive criticism of Pete's Walker Art Gallery pic in this thread (http://yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41618&postcount=36). Although I thought it was reasonable advice, I posted it with the intention to see what response I would get, mainly to prove a point. I've received no response so far. And my point is? it doesn't matter what ability you have in photography, some people do not take too kindly to constructive criticism if it's not requested.

Anyways, gorra go. Early start for me. Photos to shoot, money to be made and all that:unibrow:

[PhilipG]

Dave.

What's with you?

Why do you have to be so objectionable?
You're unique in that respect on yoliverpool.

I see your posts are no longer modified.

You're very fond of the word "feigned".
You once commented on the "feigned indifference" to one of your POD's, when everybody knew it was real indifference.

Just get off my back.

[scouserdave]

Dave.

What's with you?

Why do you have to be so objectionable?
You're unique in that respect on yoliverpool.

I see your posts are no longer modified.

You're very fond of the word "feigned".
You once commented on the "feigned indifference" to one of your POD's, when everybody knew it was real indifference.

Just get off my back.
Phil, there was nothing in my post that warrants this reaction from you. I'm simply trying to point out that not everybody appreciates constructive criticism. If they ask for it, then fine. The only person being objectionable is you with this over the top response.

[petecarr]

Pete, I know you usually like to inform people how you compose your excellent photos, but for some reason you didn't in the case of this image if I recall, until I pointed it out. I feel it could have been improved if you took more time to include the Michelangelo statue, rather than having the same Raphael statue on the left and right.

Sorry I meant to reply to this. I wasn't in any way trying to dodge the question, I just got side tracked. I did try and put the other statue back in but it just wasn't working properly so in the end I just thought "Screw it" and went with what I had. I do inform people on most of the details of my shots, but not details that might make them see things that I don't want them to. Often if I mirror a shot its for a reason and I don't want them to know its been mirrored. I would rather they appreciate the shot for what they see. I've mirrored other shots before because the subjects in real life are designed to be symmetrical but for some reason or another I can't get the perfect picture I want. So I mirror it. I don't tell people I have though. Whats the point? They'll look at it and go "Ahh so it is" instead of "Ah nice".

[scouserdave]

Thanks Pete.
Much appreciated.

[lindylou]

How do you mean ? a mirrored shot ? what's that ?

[Ged]

If you take some time to reflect on what you've just asked, it'll come to you.

[petecarr]

How do you mean ? a mirrored shot ? what's that ?

You take one side, and put it on the other. So its a mirror image.

[lindylou]

you mean like those ones were they put together the same sides of a face to see how strange we'd look ! ? ha,ha.
(both sides of a human face are not exactly the same )

[victorialush]

you mean like those ones were they put together the same sides of a face to see how strange we'd look ! ? ha,ha.
(both sides of a human face are not exactly the same )

My useless fact of the day:

We judge attractiveness of another person on the amount of symmetry in the face.

[ChrisGeorge]

How do you mean ? a mirrored shot ? what's that ?


When I was going through my narcissistic stage as a teenager, I took a lot of shots of myself looking in the mirror. :rolleyes:

Chris

[Ged]

When I was going through my narcissistic stage as a teenager, I took a lot of shots of myself looking in the mirror. :rolleyes:

Chris

That's 14 years bad luck.

[ChrisGeorge]

That's 14 years bad luck.

That explains a lot!!! :(

[Ged]

Tee hee :thumbsup: