Hi All

Thought it would be fun to have a thread for the Blues and Reds to give each other stick about Saturdays Derby.

Now I mean friendly banter, some good old fashioned fun to each other . none of the abuse.

I will start. being of a high intelligence i support Everton:)
Now thats got the reds laffin

C,mon join in but be nice or The Gnome may Roam :unibrow:

Who remembers when the Liverpool fans would give the Everton Goalie a handbag.

C'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmon the Berrluuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssss s......Ahhh...

C'mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmon the Berrluuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssss s......Ahhh...


WHO?????????? :celb (23):

WHO?????????? :celb (23):

Now eye eye Chris !!!

Who remembers when the Liverpool fans would give the Everton Goalie a handbag.
LOL! Yeah, that was Gordon (Mae) West. We used to sing "Gordon, Gordon, show us yerrarse" and on the odd occasion, he did!

I remember hearing about Houllier walking into the showers after one Derby game and came out disgusted at the brown steaming deposit he saw in the corner. "Whose **** on the floor" he demanded. Heskey replied "Me boss, but i'm quite good in the air".

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I remember hearing about Houllier walking into the showers after one Derby game and came out disgusted at the brown steaming deposit he saw in the corner. "Whose **** on the floor" he demanded. Heskey replied "Me boss, but i'm quite good in the air".

hahahaha!! ... remember Walters .. he was always falling over :D

"We must banish the blues," says Benitez

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Come on Everton you know your gonna win
Not like Liverpool sitting in the bin:)

We all agree Duncan McKenzie is magic..
C'mmonnnnnnnnnnnnn the blues !!!!!!!!

Duncan works for the club as a dinner speaker during games. tells a lot of good jokes:)

I would like to whish Liverpool all the best for the game. Yeah like i really mean that:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

My wife and son a Reds:eek: the stick has started in our house

Duncan works for the club as a dinner speaker during games. tells a lot of good jokes:)

I would like to whish Liverpool all the best for the game. Yeah like i really mean that:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

My wife and son a Reds:eek: the stick has started in our house

He used to have a fruit and veg shop in Prescot years ago Tony,I used to Drive the Delivery Van and would park the Van up Every night at the End of Christian St outside St Anne St Police Station,It was one of them old Red Post Office Vans and I'd have let it roll down Christian Street onto Scottie to get it to start,
Christian St went right Down to Scottie Rd in them days.
Good Lad is Rrr Dunc...
C'mmonnnnnnnnnnnnnn you blue boys...:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:

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I was getting quite narked reading that tripe until I scrolled to the bottom to see how many active members or guests were using it and there was only little moi :celb (6):

I remember that new lab test they were doing some years back on some people acting as guinea pigs, whereby wires fixed to a sort of helment was placed on the head and at the flick of a switch, electrical currents we sent which was suppossed to give the person a higher intelligence and I.Q.,only, on one of them it malfunctioned and the needle went in the opposite direction. The technicians rushed over as smoke started billowing out, they quickly removed the helment, gave the chap a few slaps on the face to make sure he was alright and asked him to talk to see if they got a o.k. response, he said Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool

I remember that new lab test they were doing some years back on some people acting as guinea pigs, whereby wires fixed to a sort of helment was placed on the head and at the flick of a switch, electrical currents we sent which was suppossed to give the person a higher intelligence and I.Q.,only, on one of them it malfunctioned and the needle went in the opposite direction. The technicians rushed over as smoke started billowing out, they quickly removed the helment, gave the chap a few slaps on the face to make sure he was alright and asked him to talk to see if they got a o.k. response, he said Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool

Theyr'e not puttin' any bloody wires on my Elmet...

I remember that new lab test they were doing some years back on some people acting as guinea pigs, whereby wires fixed to a sort of helment was placed on the head and at the flick of a switch, electrical currents we sent which was suppossed to give the person a higher intelligence and I.Q.,only, on one of them it malfunctioned and the needle went in the opposite direction. The technicians rushed over as smoke started billowing out, they quickly removed the helment, gave the chap a few slaps on the face to make sure he was alright and asked him to talk to see if they got a o.k. response, he said Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool, Liv-er-pool

Hi Ged

Might that happen if they do it to a Blues supporter as well? We can but live in hope. :handclap:

Chris

PREDICTION

Liverpool 4 Everton 1

Goals:

Liverpool - Gerrard, Crouch, Kuyt, Bellamy

Everton - Johnson

PREDICTION

Liverpool 4 Everton 1

Goals:

Liverpool - Gerrard, Crouch, Kuyt, Bellamy

Everton - Johnson



Ouuch !!!

I actually think Liverpool will win because they've found a bit o'form and will have been smartin' since last September when we got those lucky 3 goals.

2 - 0

My heart obviously hopes the blues win but my head says differently, I thought we'd win last time and wasn't disappointed but this time, well, we'll see. I just hope the ref, Mr Wiley I think it is read the report by Keith Hackett, of the board of refs that we should have had 8 deffo penalties and a possible other 2 and not go out with any preconceptions like a lot seem to if Johnson plays and you can stick that one in that 'bitterest' redsite thing.

Lets hope both sides dont get loads of yellow cards and any reds. they seem to throw em out when us two meet. they ignore the passion of a real derby match:)

Keith Hackett the ref:eek: :shock: OMG help both sides 5 a side by half time

Ged stop being chicken saying the reds will win. have faith man. 0-0 till 88th minute then the bald assasin Andy Johnson comes on as sub and Reina puts one on his head:PDT_Aliboronz_24:


Up The Toffees:celb (6):

I'd like to think so Tony, that 3rd goal was soooo funny by pepe the juggling clown, I think he must've saw the red shirt of Carragher as he raced back to the line and thought he was throwing it to safety but in A.J. and Reina grabbed his white bald head instead of the ball ha ha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Q0-rAqsMs


At least this way, by not expecting anything, a draw or a win would be a big bonus.

Here are all you bluenoses .. you'll be needing these later this avvy

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Man size too, so they may be a little too big for youse,but I believe they are very absorbent..... :PDT_Aliboronz_24:


May the best team win.... and we all know that will be the 'pool :unibrow:

Lol FKoE:handclap: I will give you that one

No matter what the score, red or blue, just remember you are lucky.

You dont support Man Utd:unibrow:

MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN, RED OR BLUE!

Chris

MAY THE BEST TEAM WIN, RED OR BLUE!

Chris

Personally I don't care if the 'best' team wins or not. Just as long as it is Liverpool!

Hurrah!

:)

Personally I don't care if the 'best' team wins or not. Just as long as it is Liverpool!

Hurrah!

:)

Hi Cissie

If a side wins it will definitely be a Liverpool team. The question is, which Liverpool team: the official Liverpool team or the "other" Liverpool team. :celb (23):

Chris

Hi Cissie

If a side wins it will definitely be a Liverpool team. The question is, which Liverpool team: the official Liverpool team or the "other" Liverpool team. :celb (23):

Chris

Ha ha! If Everton move to Kirkby there will be only ONE team in Liverpool!

Up the Reds!

Hurrah!

:)

Keep it nice:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

Keep it nice:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

:)

:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Ahhhhh! Tis only a bit of fluffy banter, young Gnomie. May the best team, in red, win!

Hurrah!

:)

Ahhhhh! Tis only a bit of fluffy banter, young Gnomie. May the best team, in red, win!

Hurrah!

:)


LOl:)

I hate Derby day, the thought of losing, i cant bear it. the stick off the wife and little one:shock: :eek:

I wonder when the last time Everton did t'double over Liverpool? Hopefully it isn't this year!

Final whistle yet?

LOl:)

I hate Derby day, the thought of losing, i cant bear it. the stick off the wife and little one:shock: :eek:

:D

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If AJ scores, I'll be wanting some of these for Match of the Day! :unibrow:

Be gone you SSC scum that you are, squire!

:)

0-0.

Hurrah - not!

:disgust:

0-0.

Hurrah....:PDT_Aliboronz_24: we were under the cosh for most of the game.

i just said that.. weird ... :D

It's all over at Anfield and Everton have grabbed an excellent point. Liverpool will be disappointed they did not do more with all their possession but Everton defended brilliantly. Any hopes Liverpool had of winning the title have surley gone now as key players like Gerrard and Alonso failed to perform but Everton will regard this as a superb point which keeps them well in the hunt for a UEFA Cup place.

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Stevie G complained his laces were too tight... and Johnson said it was too cold to head the ball... fair result :D

Ha ha! If Everton move to Kirkby there will be only ONE team in Liverpool!

Up the Reds!

Hurrah!

:)

Would that be the one owned by the Yanks ha ha

You'll have to walk out to the star spangled banner instead of you'll never walk again.

Anyway, Liverpool proved that no matter how much you're smartin' from a drubbing, if you just haven't got the skill to put it right even with your total fire power on and all that possession, then you'll never win that holy grail called the league title.

Hi all

Well, Liverpool 0 Everton 0 and I think a toothless performance by the 'Pool in a match we should have won handily. We almost gifted Johnson a goal as well with another farcical defensive mix-up. So well done the Blues coming away with a point, and another dent in the Reds' Premiership pretensions if we still have any. :(

Chris

I bet you a penny.. UTD start dropping games now.. our 2pts loss here means nix.. Chelsea will end up in 4th place Jose will be sacked ... And Liverpool willmake the semis of the European Champions league.. and reache 3rd place.. nothing spectactular... but... W eneeds a new ground,extra seating, and more investment ... I don't mind that investment coming from the colonies ;)... aslong as it promotes the game, the club, and the LIVERPOOL brand ...

Baby steps and all that aye ... We will succeed in the US were UTD failed :celb (23):


5 years from now, most of the US youth will be wearing LIVERPOOL shirts not baseball shirts ...

s'right and youse knows it :D

Would that be the one owned by the Yanks ha ha

You'll have to walk out to the star spangled banner instead of you'll never walk again.

Anyway, Liverpool proved that no matter how much you're smartin' from a drubbing, if you just haven't got the skill to put it right even with your total fire power on and all that possession, then you'll never win that holy grail called the league title.

They couldn't score past the blues this season.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16: :celb (23):

Whats That Smell !!!...A load a Bull thats what.
Eere we go..Sour Grapes Time..

Benitez in the Last Hour..."Everton are small team".
Nooooooooooooooo Rapha...A small team who've took 4 points from you this season..Get it right Lad.

ah shaddap yer face :D

We're going to have to start taking this game serious next season,4 points isn't good enough.:disgust: :rolleyes:

ah shaddap yer face :D
Joe Dolce..another bad loser...yer awright FKoE or woh !!!
Gorra Go..Saturday Night..takeaway Time..C yer after..

Fair play to Everton this season. They took four points off Liverpool plain and simple.

:)

Fair play to Everton this season. They took four points off Liverpool plain and simple.

:)

A look at the league table will make those results a little easier to take.:unibrow:

A look at the league table will make those results a little easier to take.:unibrow:

And Arsenal only drew 1-1 at Middlesbrough so that helps us. :unibrow:

Chris

There was a time when Kopites didn't have to look at or rely on other results but I admit it's all a distant memory now and I can't see Utd losing four games and everyone else winning theirs to catch them so i'd hardly call that a U.S. failure.

I think rafa must've meant that we played like the 'small' teams do that go to Anfield and set out our stall not to lose rather than to win, but that's the garbled message you get when you employ people with no grasp on the language, let alone the importance of not losing in the Derby.

I'd like to think that if our last two managers had spent 500M between them, we'd be breaking down defences willy nilly. :unibrow:

Until the next time :)

Funny that, seing as AJ had the best chance of the game, closely followed by Osman. Fore shore. :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Evertonians are born not manufactured,
We do not choose, we are chosen,
Those who understand need no explanation,
Those who dont, dont matter.

The Liverpool-Everton derby game? IMO, It was a dreadful game, two very ordinary teams in a very ordinary game. I am just watching the last Premiership game I will ever watch. Manchester United destroying Tottenham Hotspur.

The EPL must be the most top heavy league of all the worlds major leagues. Even the bookies are offering odds for next seasons (2007/2008) champions with Man U and Chelsea odds on again. I don't understand why fans would want to watch their side taking a sh!t kicking by Man U and Chelsea. Even when either of these teams only win by one goal they are usually dominating the game to such an extent that the oposition are very unlikely to score.

Liverpool might finish in a European position (since when has anything other than being champions been considered a success?), Everton might finnish in the top 10. Even if both, present, teams combined they wouldn't have a team to challenge Man U or Chelsea. The EPL, IMHO, is very predictable and, other than the top two, a very mediocre competition, again, IMHO.

It was a dreadful game, two very ordinary teams in a very ordinary game. I am just watching the last Premiership game I will ever watch. Manchester United destroying Tottenham Hotspur.

The EPL must be the most top heavy league of all the worlds major leagues. Even the bookies are offering odds for next seasons (2007/2008) champions with Man U and Chelsea odds on again. I don't understand why fans would want to watch their side taking a sh!t kicking by Man U and Chelsea. Even when either of these teams only win by one goal they are usually dominating the game to such an extent that the oposition are very unlikely to score.

Liverpool might finish in a European position (since when has anything other than being champions been considered a success?), Everton might finnish in the top 10. Even if both, present, teams combined they wouldn't have a team to challenge Man U or Chelsea. The EPL, IMHO, is very predictable and, other than the top two, a very mediocre competition, again, IMHO.

You're not wrong there, the English league is no different to the Scottish league now. The top four can be predicted at the start of the season and you can guarantee that at least 1 of the teams that come up will go straight back down.

The Liverpool-Everton derby game? IMO, It was a dreadful game, two very ordinary teams in a very ordinary game. I am just watching the last Premiership game I will ever watch. Manchester United destroying Tottenham Hotspur.

The EPL must be the most top heavy league of all the worlds major leagues. Even the bookies are offering odds for next seasons (2007/2008) champions with Man U and Chelsea odds on again. I don't understand why fans would want to watch their side taking a sh!t kicking by Man U and Chelsea. Even when either of these teams only win by one goal they are usually dominating the game to such an extent that the oposition are very unlikely to score.

Liverpool might finish in a European position (since when has anything other than being champions been considered a success?), Everton might finnish in the top 10. Even if both, present, teams combined they wouldn't have a team to challenge Man U or Chelsea. The EPL, IMHO, is very predictable and, other than the top two, a very mediocre competition, again, IMHO.

Hello Sloyne

Your post misses the point that Liverpool have the ability to have risen above the match as it turned out to be. I agree that the match was a poor one and was not a good advertisement for either side or for the Premier league for that matter. Liverpool can beat Chelsea, Arsenal, or Manchester United, although I will agree that they do need an extra ingredient to challenge for the title. Hopefully the new investment money will help achieve that. The other point is that in a Derby match anything can happen, which is what Sir Alex Ferguson says about the Manchester Derby matches. And then also the 'Pool have a history of struggling against poorer opposition (sorry Blues fans!!!).

Chris

Hello Sloyne

And then also the 'Pool have a history of struggling against poorer opposition (sorry Blues fans!!!).

Chris


Dont worry chris i like you taking the mick outta
man utd:unibrow: :)

Hello Sloyne

Your post misses the point that Liverpool have the ability to have risen above the match as it turned out to be. I agree that the match was a poor one and was not a good advertisement of either side or of the Premier league for that matter. Liverpool can beat Chelsea, Arsenal, or Manchester United, although I will agree that they do need an extra ingredient to challenge for the title. Hopefully the new investment money will help achieve that. The other point is that in a Derby match anything can happen, which is what Sir Alex Ferguson says about the Manchester Derby matches. And then also the 'Pool have a history of struggling against poorer opposition (sorry Blues fans!!!).
Chris

Carefull what you say Chris you'll have Keith Wyness demanding an apology.

Carefull what you say Chris you'll have Keith Wyness demanding an apology.

How true. Seriously I don't get it, Rafa was only saying what Moyes had been complaining about all week, ie that it is hard for Everton to compete with the likes of Liverpool when they aren't in the position to buy players the same way that we are.

Fwiw I thought Everton did a did a good job yesterday, they set out for a draw and got it, albiet with 10 men behind the ball for much of the game. As Rafa said, it's hard to play against a team like that, Blackburn, Boro and Pompey did pretty much the same.

How true. Seriously I don't get it, Rafa was only saying what Moyes had been complaining about all week, ie that it is hard for Everton to compete with the likes of Liverpool when they aren't in the position to buy players the same way that we are.

Fwiw I thought Everton did a did a good job yesterday, they set out for a draw and got it, albiet with 10 men behind the ball for much of the game. As Rafa said, it's hard to play against a team like that, Blackburn, Boro and Pompey did pretty much the same.

Its unbelievable the hysterical reaction to all this. We have stayed silent as Moyes made all the jibes about our financial clout and him still waiting to meet a Reds fan despite having lived in the city 5 years (he was obviously on holiday when a million Reds lined the streets on 26th May 2005) and Rafa's patience has snapped. I love the way Wyness thinks Rafa is in a minority of one in thinking Everton are a small club.

He said it twice in 2 interviews. called Everton a Small team twice . i think he was having a go at the blues because he expected to turn them over. the team who played behind the ball had the best chance to win it.

Its not woth getting upset about. this thread is for good clean fun not bitterness. yes we are behind Liverpool in money terms but i think we have some very good players at a fraction the price. good management skills i think.

I hope liverpool beat Barcelona and go on to win the champions league. my wife and son are Liverpool fans( the cats a blue) and lets face it Man utd are far beyond us all, chelsea included. they have had this title wrapped up from day one. now that hurts to say.:shock:

(he was obviously on holiday when a million Reds lined the streets on 26th May 2005)

Apparantly we were able to transport 1,000,000 Norwegians in for the day.

There's nothing like a good myth eh ? :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Nothing like a good myth, indeed!

Was there some poor nobhead on top of Lime Street station with a clicker, counting your 'million' fans? Considering that there aren't even a million people in the city, and everything was running as normal, I find that suggested figure hard to believe. For example, the Mathew St festival doesn't get anywhere near that many people, over a large chunk of the city centre, over several days. Typical media porkies.

Remember a lot of people who turned out where Blues who knew what a job they had done. i also think the fan base is 50/50 here in Liverpool and working at both grounds i know a lot of people outside the city are attending games at Anfield. so why are the locals not getting enough tickets:eek:

And then also the 'Pool have a history of struggling against poorer opposition (sorry Blues fans!!!).However, the "poorer opposition" in this case, Everton, took four points out of the "Pool". Strange indeed! However if you mean "poorer" money wise then it is even more embarrassing, or should be, to Liverpool. Liverpool a team costing in the region of 100 million pounds and the total Everton team costing less than the cost of two Liverpool players. Everton's total wage bill is also less than the wage bill of just two of Liverpool's top two players.

IMO, both Everton and Liverpool are mediocre and, together, no opposition for Manchester United. I reiterate, the EPL is also mediocre and yes, anyone can beat anyone on a given day but, come May, Everton and Liverpool will end the season equal and that is as also ran's. Niether team will win anything in domestic tournaments. The fact that Liverpool, at some future date and with foreign millions might, like Man U and Chelsea, be able to destroy "poorer" (financially) opposition, give you some feeling of superiority over the Wigan's, Bolton's, Aston Villa's and Everton's, will do nothing to improve the competition in English premiership football. It is a very sad state of affairs when in the fourteen years of premiership football only four teams have won the championship, Blackburn, Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United, with the latter being odds on favourite to take their ninth title in May.

Well said Sloyne

Cap the wages and transfer money and lets see what players are really loyal to the clubs.

He said it twice in 2 interviews. called Everton a Small team twice . i think he was having a go at the blues because he expected to turn them over. the team who played behind the ball had the best chance to win it.

Its not woth getting upset about. this thread is for good clean fun not bitterness. yes we are behind Liverpool in money terms but i think we have some very good players at a fraction the price. good management skills i think.

I hope liverpool beat Barcelona and go on to win the champions league. my wife and son are Liverpool fans( the cats a blue) and lets face it Man utd are far beyond us all, chelsea included. they have had this title wrapped up from day one. now that hurts to say.:shock:

Hi Gnomie

I agree that this thread should be for good clean fun and ribbing by those on both sides of the traditional divide. What you say about Chelsea and Man U is very true.

Thanks for the best wishes for our matches with Barca and the wish that we go on to win the Champs League.

Everton deserved their point yesterday and with that goal area messup, Johnson could easily have embarrassed us and the Blues could have taken all three points. Hard lines that it did not happen that way.

All the best

Chris

Hi Chris

to be fair if AJ had taken his goal and the blues won it would not have been a fair result. not saying i would not have it though:)

Nothing like a good myth, indeed!

Was there some poor nobhead on top of Lime Street station with a clicker, counting your 'million' fans? Considering that there aren't even a million people in the city, and everything was running as normal, I find that suggested figure hard to believe. For example, the Mathew St festival doesn't get anywhere near that many people, over a large chunk of the city centre, over several days. Typical media porkies.

It really doesn't matter whether it was 1,000,000, 900,000 or or even 500,000 for that matter, the FACT is that the homecoming was one of the largest ever seen in the city.

Which begs the question how could this be when every real Scouser supports the ahem "peoples club" and most Liverpool supporters are shipped over from Scandinavia every weekend.

However, the "poorer opposition" in this case, Everton, took four points out of the "Pool". Strange indeed! .

Not really, Blackburn took 4 points off us too, and they are even further behind us than Everton. These things happen every once in a while, it's as simple as that.


It is a very sad state of affairs when in the fourteen years of premiership football only four teams have won the championship,

How so ? things haven't really changed much, only five teams had won the Championship in the fourteen years prior to the Premiership being formed.

Whats That Smell !!!...A load a Bull thats what.
Eere we go..Sour Grapes Time..

Benitez in the Last Hour..."Everton are small team".
Nooooooooooooooo Rapha...A small team who've took 4 points from you this season..Get it right Lad.

Therein lies much of Everton's problem. I know Evertonians who see it as a successful season if they dont lose the derby and Liverpool win nothing. After the 3-0 win at Goodison Everton went without a win for the next 4 games. Liverpool are gutted at this result and will look to bounce back, Everton are in danger of resting on their laurels. Ultimately you get the same amount of points no matter who you beat.

Well for a small club, I think we're the 4th most successful in England, trophy wise and at the turn of the millenium has clocked up more top flight points and goals than anyone (only since overtaken) I used to laugh when Spurs were included in the big 5 in the 80s when their last league success was in the 60s, Newcastle, another 'big club', even further back and I think Chelsea have won 3 now - huh.

I think if you go on Blue Kipper you'll also see references to Souness and another ex reds player saying they think Everton have the most city wide fans too, like Man City are supposed to have over there. When there's homecomings, people who think Stevie Heighway's still playing will make a 100 yard walk from their front door to cheer the passing bus on, but that bit doesn't interest me anyway.

Not really, Blackburn took 4 points off us too, and they are even further behind us than Everton. These things happen every once in a while, it's as simple as that.Thought I said that; "anyone can beat anyone on a given day".

How so ? things haven't really changed much, only five teams had won the Championship in the fourteen years prior to the Premiership being formed.Which doesn't just reinforces my argument but expands it, that competition in English football has been in decline for many years and, even prior to the formation of the EPL.

Success is becoming champions NOT! finishing behind the champions, no matter how close you come. Finishing 'CLOSE' only applies in horseshoes and hand grenades. Over most of the seasons that the EPL has been in existance the teams finishing fourth have been closer in points to the top relegation team fourteen places below them than to the champions three places above them.

Not really, Blackburn took 4 points off us too, and they are even further behind us than Everton.And Blackburn, Everton and even Liverpool are all behind Manchester United, with no chance of catching them. Surely, and my point, any place behind first place is not success.

The Roger Phillips phone-in is full of it as will be Alan Jackson's show and the Legends on Century later and really there is no need. It came from a bloke smarting at his teams failure whereby he even slated them for being nervous, it only makes us blues look arsed about it, and I for one am not. We know our history, Liverpool know theirs, on current reckonings, Man Utd fans might consider them small.

We know our history, Liverpool know theirs, on current reckonings, Man Utd fans might consider them small.EXACTLY!:handclap:

PS:IMHO, the Premiership has been a disaster for all but one team and the biggest losers have been the fans of the other nineteen whose teams take a mauling whenever they play Manchester United. Even when Manchester United win by the odd goal thay are, usually, so dominant that the game is a formality. In fact the only team that has been able to compete with them over the past little while have been Chelsea.

And Blackburn, Everton and even Liverpool are all behind Manchester United, with no chance of catching them. Surely, and my point, any place behind first place is not success.

I can't recall hearing a Liverpool supporter ever say it was ????

It's _important_ to finish in the top 4 though. Like it or not the big money is generated by playing in the Champion's League (daft name I know). But I honestly couldn't care whether we finish 2nd, 3rd, or 4th.

And to be honest I don't recall ANY club ever making such a big deal about finishing 4th than Everton did the season before last.

Which doesn't just reinforces my argument but expands it, that competition in English football has been in decline for many years and, even prior to the formation of the EPL.


I somehow doubt that you'd be complaining about this "decline" say in the fourteen years spanning the 70's / 80's when Everton were one of four teams that won the league ?

The 70s and 80s were much more balanced though when it came to what a team could spend. Malcolm Alison was breaking the bank, Clough was paying a million quid for a kid called Trevor Francis and latterly Alan Sugar bankrolled Spurs as did Jack Walker with Blackburn, but look what happened to Leeds.

There wasn't the silly money that is around now though created by the powers that be such as the Champions league which is all for money, even sky dictate when YOU go to the match, how many sat 3pm kick offs have LFC had? How can you get to Portsmouth for a 7.30 k.o. mid week, just to suit the powers.

I have to laugh at the fickle fans who say that Mourinho or Ferguson have tried to buy the league with splashing out on the likes of Veron, Ferdinand, Drogba or Robben when it's only what every single manager has tried to do pre season since time immemorial - not least Houllier and Rafa and i'm sure one day Moyes would like to do the same instead of relying on an on-load goalie and two players from the championship like he did last summer.

Moyes would like to do the same instead of relying on an on-load goalie and two players from the championship like he did last summer.

Of course he'd do the same. And I'm sure there are clubs behind Everton who wished that they could have had the 15 million quid that Moyes spent on Johnson and Beattie.

Most aren't prepared to finance deals based on 20 or 30 years worth of projected season tickets sales though like some of those outside the top 4 are having to do if they want funds, that's why they made a meal of finishing 4th with the likes of Marcus Bent on a pittance. The 14.6 paid for those two on H.P. is the high price of buying British i'm afraid these days. Even Preston's Nugent is being touted for 7 or 8M now and he's done nothing yet

I somehow doubt that you'd be complaining about this "decline" say in the fourteen years spanning the 70's / 80's when Everton were one of four teams that won the league ?Sorry, you're just to partisan for me. I will bow out of this discussion, gracefully I hope.

I think we have gone off the thread now so Kev lock it please