Unadopted Roads

[Kev]

It's with relief I read the news that the Sefton Park road (http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/liverpoolecho/news/echonews/tm_headline=why-park-roads-will-be-a-hole-lot-better%2D%26method=full%26objectid=18555269%26page =1%26siteid=50061-name_page.html) will finally get a decent repair soon. My little car was damaged recently as it was nearly swallowed by a massive hole.

But it got me thinking, why are some roads unadopted like the Sefton Park one?

How does a road become unadopted and can they become 'adopted'?

Anyone got pictures of these poor roads?

[ChrisGeorge]

Hello Kev

One unadopted road that I can remember was off Ullet Road running down toward Sefton Park and I can recall going past on the top deck of the 80 bus and feeling sorry for it!

I imagine that the number of unadopted roads around Sefton Park must have something to do with the way the park was laid out.

Found this on a Sunderland site (http://www.sunderlandroads.org.uk/unadopted.html), where they say they have around 250 such unadopted roads and mention a figure of 40,000 unadopted roads nationally---

What is an unadopted road?

Unadopted roads, often referred to as private roads, are roads that do not reach the minimum adoptable standards set by the local authority. As such, unadopted roads do not receive any maintenance by councils. Unadopted roads usually consist of a dirt or rubble-track that in many cases do not have basic services such as drainage and street lighting. Although referred to as private, many unadopted roads are also a public thoroughfare and therefore cannot be fenced off or obstructed.

How and why does the problem of unadopted roads exist?

It would appear that unadopted roads are a ‘legacy of the past’ something that just ‘came about’ over a period of time and several generations, in the days before planning regulations and Tarmac roads. The problem of unadopted roads continues to exist today because of disagreements between residents and local authorities over the financing of improvements. Many unadopted roads are also plagued by uncertainties/disputes regarding land ownership.

Chris

[Kev]

Cheers Chris, there's one off Jericho Lane that looks sorry for itself.

[Gerard]

If nobodys got any photies then I'll try and get some (If I think on!!) when I'm down that way Friday.
In fact if the weathers all Right T'morrer who Knows..
Any Photie Requests down Sefton Park way..

[Gerard]

If nobodys got any photies then I'll try and get some (If I think on!!) when I'm down that way Friday.
In fact if the weathers all Right T'morrer who Knows..
Any Photie Requests down Sefton Park way..

Any Photie requests of Anywhere Central and not too far North/South Liverpool just let me know and I'll see what I can do f' yer..

[Kev]

As many as u can please gerard. I don't know the location of them, apart from Jericho lane and a few off Wavertree High Street.

[john]

Would Gays be able to adopt roads?

Sorry I could n't help myself :)

[victorialush]

Would Gays be able to adopt roads?

Sorry I could n't help myself :)


lol, only if the swear allegiance to the council :celb (23):

[john]

LoL:handclap:

[Gnomie]

Arnold Grove where George Harrison was born in Wavertree is unadopted so is Albert Grove

[Gnomie]

Would Gays be able to adopt roads?

Sorry I could n't help myself :)

Looooooool John

[theninesisters]

My road (on a new estate in Childwall) is unadopted even though it is cared for by the council and is now 14 years old. The builders who finished the houses went bust and didn't register the road - having checked numerous times, the road is still unadopted! This basically means that if I wanted to, I could drive up and down the road uninsured and no copper could pull me up - mind you I've done that many times while shifting my old XR2's around :)

[Gerard]

As many as u can please gerard. I don't know the location of them, apart from Jericho lane and a few off Wavertree High Street.

"The location of them"..whats them exactly Kev and I'll get "them" for yer !!..
Are yer on about Potholes on Wavertree High St !!..Whereabout off the High St if you know mate.
And what part of Sefton Park Rd..Anywhere with Potholes do yer Lad or just the Culprit that nearly wrecked yer car !!..Where is it !!

[billo]

I seem to remember that Hadassah Grove off Lark Lane is unadapted, at one time it was in a very poor state. The residents insisted that the Housing association (CDS) built a large brick wall so that they could not look upon the ''social houses'' being built for the Hesketh Street co op.
Could be one to photograph,if your down that way.

[Kev]

"The location of them"..whats them exactly Kev and I'll get "them" for yer !!..
Are yer on about Potholes on Wavertree High St !!..Whereabout off the High St if you know mate.
And what part of Sefton Park Rd..Anywhere with Potholes do yer Lad or just the Culprit that nearly wrecked yer car !!..Where is it !!

So many questions Gerard, blimey :). The road that circulates Sevvy Park (unadopted) is full of pot holes, I dodge 'em every night, those are the ones.

I drive a pocket rocket (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15820&postcount=32), small and perfectly formed :celb (23):

The unadopted Roads off Wavertree High Street, I don't know the names but I think they are cobbled and run next to the Picton Sports Centre.

[wallasey]

Whitefield Road off Rice Lane, Walton is also unadopted but has been re-tarred recently. It's only a small cul de sac with no frontage but is signposed as being unadopted

[Gerard]

So many questions Gerard, blimey :). The road that circulates Sevvy Park (unadopted) is full of pot holes, I dodge 'em every night, those are the ones.

I drive a pocket rocket (http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showpost.php?p=15820&postcount=32), small and perfectly formed :celb (23):

The unadopted Roads off Wavertree High Street, I don't know the names but I think they are cobbled and run next to the Picton Sports Centre.

Right..Im on the mission !!!..

[stan]

Whitefield Road off Rice Lane, Walton is also unadopted but has been re-tarred recently. It's only a small cul de sac with no frontage but is signposed as being unadopted

I was going to say that.You'd think it would be adopted seeing as it leads to the rec.

[wallasey]

I was going to say that.You'd think it would be adopted seeing as it leads to the rec.

It's actually the only one I know of in Liverpool and is also the most memorable. Where I lived in Northumberland was a village called Whitfield (meaning white fields but had the "e" dropped for some reason") en-route to Wallasey, we alway's passed Whitefield Road which stuck in my mind over the years.

Wallasey has an unadoped Road off Field Road which is unpaved but does have lighting.

[Gerard]

Kev,heres yer pothole piccies.
These few are of the Cobbled streets on the High St W/Tree.
You can see a lot of Potholes have been filled in but the streets are in a terrible state and the Patchy/Crap tarmac refill effort just makes it worse.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040880.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040876.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040875.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040874.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040879.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040877.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040878.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040882.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040883.jpg

These next few are at the Palm House end of Sefton park with the Palm house in the Distance.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040888.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040887.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040890.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040889.jpg

These are a Few Hundred yards further on after the Cave.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040891.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040892.jpg


Further on with Lark Lane in the distance.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040894.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040899.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040900.jpg

A few hundred yards past Lark lane looking back toward Lark Lane.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040901.jpg

The Exit leading to Aigburth Rd by Jericho Lane in the Distance.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040910.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040912.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040908.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040909.jpg

And this fella never had a clue what was going on !!
Leave him ere Kev,,He's doin' no harm Lad.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040932.jpg

[Kev]

The wonders of unadopted roads, thanks Gerard, the Sevvy Park pics show clearly the perils I face every day, the size of them holes!!!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040908.jpg

^^Little buggers^^

[wallasey]

By the looks of it, someones been round and painted lines around the pot-holes; this could mean that the road might get a few patches; having said that, they don't look fresh so I hope that I haven't gone and gotten your hopes up!

[shytalk]

Those holes are big enough to swallow a Mini, get a Hummer. :) :037:

[Gerard]

The wonders of unadopted roads, thanks Gerard, the Sevvy Park pics show clearly the perils I face every day, the size of them holes!!!

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/gedfleming/L1040908.jpg

^^Little buggers^^


Good to know we are getting good Value in Car Tax fees innit !!

[Kev]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/145/379056835_2f4f6800cf.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/379056835/)
^^Just off Lark Lane^^

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/379056847_67030a5984.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/379056847/)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/185/379056828_11087c5d75.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ijob/379056828/)
^^Off Jericho Lane^^

[Jericho]

Otterspool Road leads down to the old (Otterspool) station that is inhabited by a taxi driver or repairer judging by the amount of black cabs dotted about the old station forecourt.

[wallasey]

Great images Kev! Never knew Leda Grove existed; looks very nice indeed!

Coincidentally, I was up by Whitfield Road yesterday and saw that it has lost it's "Unadopted" plate so I think that the council have brought it. Aplogies for not being able to post any images!

[ScouseLad]

My gran used to live in Stockbridge Street L5 (off Breckfield Road North),and I'm sure I can remember a little street near there being unadopted. I remember feeling sorry for it whenever we walked passed it - I wondered why no-one wanted it (oh the naivety of youth!) Pretty sure it was Stockbridge Place but as I'm getting older the memories are fading!

Can anyone confirm this - and prove I'm not going senile? :retard:

[shytalk]

but as I'm getting older the memories are fading!

Can anyone confirm this - and prove I'm not going senile? :retard:


Yes I can confirm this. :037:
Seems to prove we are though.:PDT_Piratz_26:

[ScouseLad]

Yes I can confirm this. :037:
Seems to prove we are though.:PDT_Piratz_26:

Hope you're not confiming that I'm going senile :p

[Kev]

At least with this thread we can bring all the unadopted roads together like one big happy family, poor things.....

[billo]

what a coincidence!, while getting those mini photos for Kev. I came across these from when CDS were setting up the housing co op
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/billo/Image1.jpg
Those little houses were known as The Scotch Cottages, I believe they were built for the workers (builders mainly from Scotland)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/billo/Image2.jpg
looking back to what was to become Marantos..........and an added bonus for Kev. a Mini Clubman :)

Feel free to move these pictures to a more appropriate place as I'm still finding my way around the forum.

[Kev]

^^They are great where they are and relevant, especially the mini clubman!^^ :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

[king john]

leda grove is a charming and quaint little known place, all throughout the year. however come summer time it is ablaze with an abundance of greenery and flowers.the residents are to be applauded for their potted displays. who needs adoption if this is their standard.

[taffy]

Interesting 1980 mixed use development : family homes and old people's retirement flats

[Kev]

Interesting 1980 mixed use development : family homes and old people's retirement flats

Spot on Taffy :PDT11

[ChrisGeorge]

what a coincidence!, while getting those mini photos for Kev. I came across these from when CDS were setting up the housing co op
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v51/billo/Image1.jpg
Those little houses were known as The Scotch Cottages, I believe they were built for the workers (builders mainly from Scotland)


Hi Kev and Billo

You might be right that those little cottages were built at the end of the court purposely and there was nothing there in the spot before they were built, although in a lot of courts, the far end of the court was originally where the privies were. So I wonder if those little cottages might have replaced privies at those locations? Just a thought.

Chris

[birdseye]

The green doors on the right was the garage of S&R Smyths Removals Ltd where I worked as a driver for a while. The vans were away all over the country all week but on Friday night about six had to be reversed in there and they were all longer than the street was wide. Just opposite, where the red wagon is now was a little shop and it got smacked into pretty regularly while all the shunting was going on.

[taffy]

Homer St Dingle is an interesting short length of road which whilst unadopted has recently been resurfaced by the look of it. Not sure who the "GWF scum" graffitti refers to !!

The houses on the Homer St side of Cockburn street have been demolished to make way for a new urban park in the Dingle. Only one terraced house survives having been incorporated into the Bleak House pub. These houses probably dated form the 1850s or. Those streets on the other side of Cockburn Street which slope steeply down to Grafton St date from around 1910.

It interesting to note that similar houses to those demolished survive elsewhere in Liverpool for example in Woolton. Why should one area's houses be demolished and another's survive. The question is still being asked today with the demolition of the so called "Welsh Streets" in the Prince's Park area of Toxteth

[Gnomie]

The road we lived in as kids was very long yet our little bit(just a few houses) was unadopted. im not telling you where it is cos me dad lived there until last may when he passed away and i dont want to see pics of the house. still if you really want to know Kev..PM me. but promise not to post the pic.

I recall you could not get cable TV in unadopted roads. has this changed?

[Steven]

The date on the deeds of my house (off Cockburn Street, sloping down to Grafton Street) say 1906. It has survived two major wars. Most of the people around here would survive quite happily without the 'Bleak House.'

But the 'Phoenix' is a different matter. They toucha our pub, we smakka them gobs.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

[Ged]

Sounds like you live in them there 'Bread' streets Steven. My wifes nan lived in Netherby street until moving into a home just before her death. You could hear and feel the rumble of trains beneath. Great views across the Mersey.

[Butcher]

Otterspool Road leads down to the old (Otterspool) station that is inhabited by a taxi driver or repairer judging by the amount of black cabs dotted about the old station forecourt.

Took a wander down there today:

Entrance off Jericho Lane:
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0655.jpg

http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0656.jpg

The entrance. Not sure if you'd get a car through on the pavement side. Doesn't look like anything's gone through that gate in a while though.
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0652.jpg

Off to a rough start; the road here is so choked with rubble and junk that the owner has been using the pavement:
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0649.jpg

A tree pokes out of the old tarmac. This is set about 6-8 feet back off the current track. It's amazing how overgrown this road is.
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0643.jpg

For most of it's length the road is nothing but a dirt track now.
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0640.jpg

The old lamp posts are still standing for the most part. I have no idea if they still work (I'd guess not).
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0636.jpg

End of the line. A couple of taxis suggest that someone still uses this for something. Though I guess they could have been dumped there. They don;t look particularly neglected to me.
http://www.tehbox.org/photos/IMG_0624.jpg

[shytalk]

The one on the right still has its Liverpool license on it.:002:

[Butcher]

Yeah I didn't get a close enough shot to make out the year on it sadly and didn't think to go closer to check at the time. :/

[taffy]

Interesting old cobbled street off Wavertree High St

[Kev]

^^Thanks for posting the pics Butcher, I never knew what was down there before!^^

[taffy]

This has to be the best unadopted road in Liverpool

[ChrisGeorge]

Very interesting to see, Taffy. I was published in the 1980's the poetry magazine T.O.P.S. (aka "The Old Police Station" after the old cop shop in Lark Lane that you photographed) edited by Anthony Cooney who lived in Haddasah Grove and I visited him there as well. Does anybody know if Tony Cooney is still around?

Best regards

Chris

[taffy]

Not been a post on this thread for some time. Here's Burnsall St in Garston which I think is really now adopted despite the sign.

[Kev]

Another unique part of Garston :PDT11

[marky]

Richardson Street, off Webster Rd still has its' unadopted plaque.

[shoney]

Would Gays be able to adopt roads?

Sorry I could n't help myself :)

only back alleys and jiggers,

I couldn't help myself either

[naked lilac]

We have a plan here.. That unadopted roads are adopted by " Business Owners" They get a sign put up, under the road sign..With their Business name on it.. saying " WE adopted...blah blah blah Street..." . a project called.. Adopt a Highway.... A great advertising for businesses...a great community service too...

Business firm Workers (for instance) Sallies Dry Cleaners..., get together.. once a month...Receive big orange bags ,supplied to them from the City.., The company sticks their logos on the bags.. and proceed to clean up the street.. The rubbish they pick up, is then left for the trashmen ..(all piled in one area).. It works well..

.. as far as pot holes.. I suppose they could supply the people with gravel too.. if someone is inclined to help.. Yet, our traffic bureau is in charge of that.. and it is way out of line with holes here... LOL..

I think this is a great advertising and get together for the workers.. BBQ's, etc.. after their hour or two of community service..and the owner of the business gets advertising and maybe the workers can mingle and a little exercise.. Win Win situation... all volunteered..