Crawfords, Binns Road

[MarkA]

Firstly apologies for the quality of the pictures, the lighting and glass fronts didn't help at all.

CRAWFORDS RAILWAY LINE LIVERPOOL FACTORY

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DRIVER BAGGY ASHTON WELL KNOWN CHARACTER IN THOSE DAYS 1913

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FACTORY STAFF 1913

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CRAWFORDS PRIVATE RAILWAY LINE "DOLLY MAY" LAST ENGINE TO BE USED BUILT 1917 CAME TO CRAWFORDS IN 1921

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OFFICE STAFF 1913

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HORSE "SHORTBREAD" WON MANY SHOW PRIZES 1912

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DOME AREA LIVERPOOL OFFICE 1910

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CRAWFORDS STAFF FIRST CYCLE OUTING 1910

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[Kev]

great pics mark, where are they from?

[MarkA]

I'm in work at United Biscuits at the moment, they're in a corridor downstairs.

[Kev]

I'm in work at United Biscuits at the moment, they're in a corridor downstairs.

cool :PDT_Piratz_26:

[theninesisters]

Fantastic Pictures Sir! :handclap:

[PhilipG]

I'm in work at United Biscuits at the moment, they're in a corridor downstairs.

Does the job drive you crackers? :celb (23):
Where is/was the domed building?
They're great pictures.

That big building on Scotland Road, on the right, past the new tunnel, used to be Jacobs.

[MarkA]

Does the job drive you crackers? :celb (23):
Where is/was the domed building?
They're great pictures.

That big building on Scotland Road, on the right, past the new tunnel, used to be Jacobs.

The Dome was a grade 2 listed building and was supposed to be a mini version of St. Paul's in London. It was demolished in the mid to late 80's when they demolished the factory. The only reason for the demolishion was to make more car park space! If you know UB/Crawfords on Binns Road, the dome was on the left hand side as you go through the tunnel that has the clock over it. That part of the building still exists and can be seen in the cycle photo. The Dome can also be seen in the background of the first photo. The marble pillars and the powder blue interior roof made it a mighty impressive room.

[Gnomie]

http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/crawfords.jpg

[MarkA]

That looks a bit more upmarket than the cardboard one's that our sales people use today. Where is it?

I took some more photo's today of the first world war rolls of honour that we have here in UB. Hopefully someone will recognise a relative of theirs. I'll put them up when I get home later.

[Gnomie]

Hi Mark

It was in the Liverpool life museum. dont think you will see it again for a few years.

some liverpool life pics here

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Liverpool-Life-1/

and here

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/andalucia_/Liverpool-Life-2/

looking forward to the war memorials Mark. one of my subjects. any chance of a pic.

[MarkA]

I finish at 7pm so by the time I have my tea it'll be 8'ish when I post them.

[MarkA]

Have you a relative listed on these Crawford's WW1 rolls of honour?

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[snappel]

Fantastic! It's amazing what history lurks behind closed doors...

Excellent photos - they show an entirely different world. The private railway looks quite something - I wonder if it linked up with the Edge Hill sidings/grid-iron where the tech park now stands?

Also of interest on Binns Road was the Meccano factory, where Hornby products were made - would love to see some decent photos of what life was like in there. A real shame that it has gone, especially as in it's place stands a horrible 'fitness' (go for a walk in the park FFS...) superstore or whatever it is.

[MarkA]

The railway runs right along side UB (Crawford's as it was) and is only separated by Crawford Way. There's a tunnel that branches off towards town and a disused one that branches off towards Rathbone Road.

There's some Meccano pictures in this link and it also shows a bit of the Lord Roberts Memorial Workshop which was next door. The workshop was one of several established across Britain after World War I to provide employment for disabled ex-servicemen.


http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/history/index.html (http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/history/index.html)

[theninesisters]

The railway runs right along side UB (Crawford's as it was) and is only separated by Crawford Way. There's a tunnel that branches off towards town and a disused one that branches off towards Rathbone Road.

There's some Meccano pictures in this link and it also shows a bit of the Lord Roberts Memorial Workshop which was next door. The workshop was one of several established across Britain after World War I to provide employment for disabled ex-servicemen.


http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/history/index.html (http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/history/index.html)

Excellent pictures! My late pop used to work in Meccano in Binns Road for years and used to bring home all the latest toys for us to dismantle (well what did you do when you were 5 hehe). I've still got lots of instruction booklets from Meccano which are worth a pretty penny but wouldn't sell em for the world.

[theninesisters]

Excellent photos - they show an entirely different world. The private railway looks quite something - I wonder if it linked up with the Edge Hill sidings/grid-iron where the tech park now stands?

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I'll take a picture tomorrow from our building in the Tech park, you can see 1/2 way down this tunnel that links up from where you mention!

[MarkA]

Unfortunately I'm too low on the 2nd floor overlooking Total Fitness to get a decent picture of the disused tunnel.

[Fergie]

The railway runs right along side UB (Crawford's as it was) and is only separated by Crawford Way. There's a tunnel that branches off towards town and a disused one that branches off towards Rathbone Road.

There's some Meccano pictures in this link and it also shows a bit of the Lord Roberts Memorial Workshop which was next door. The workshop was one of several established across Britain after World War I to provide employment for disabled ex-servicemen.


http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/history/index.html (http://www.dalefield.com/mwes/history/index.html)

The tunnel which branches of towards Town was part of the longest in Liverpool it
came out in Scotland Road for a short disantce and went back underground to
the Docks the that branches of to Rathbone Road may have been the Juction to Edge Hill sidings why not get in touch with the Liverpool Echo to put your findings in their archives section of the history of Liverpool.
Fergie

[snappel]

No it doesn't.

That's the Victoria/Waterloo tunnel from Edge Hill. We're obviously talking about the disused Olive Mount branch tunnel by Wavertree Tech Park station about a mile from Edge Hill. The branch that heads towards town is the Pico (sp?) tunnel which is very short and is still used today by the goods trains to Alexandra Dock. The Echo are well aware of all of these tunnels, and the proposals to re-open the Olive Mount tunnel to avoid the goods trains having to turn in Edge Hill yard.

Back to the topic... I walked the Olive Mount tunnel a while back, and the trackbed is still there all the way from the mainline to the goods branch. The signal box in Olive Mount cutting has gone, but to be honest I can't see why they ever lifted such a short section of track.

[theninesisters]

No it doesn't.

That's the Victoria/Waterloo tunnel from Edge Hill. We're obviously talking about the disused Olive Mount branch tunnel by Wavertree Tech Park station about a mile from Edge Hill. The branch that heads towards town is the Pico (sp?) tunnel which is very short and is still used today by the goods trains to Alexandra Dock. The Echo are well aware of all of these tunnels, and the proposals to re-open the Olive Mount tunnel to avoid the goods trains having to turn in Edge Hill yard.

Back to the topic... I walked the Olive Mount tunnel a while back, and the trackbed is still there all the way from the mainline to the goods branch. The signal box in Olive Mount cutting has gone, but to be honest I can't see why they ever lifted such a short section of track.

Aye, you're right snappel. I've been taking pictures today from my office window so I'll upload em tonight. 9:30am every morning and about 100 wagons of coal goes past the window. That and the passenger service on the line next to em!

[MarkA]

Yeah, it's mainly coal trains that rumble slowly past at all hours of the night too. Although over the years there's been some goods in the early hours that have necessitated police being stationed (from what I've seen) on the Binns Road bridge and Pighue Lane bridge, whilst a train goes past. :ninja:

[snappel]

Probably to stop the train getting held up by bandits!!

[MarkA]

Probably to stop the train getting held up by bandits!!

Indeed

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/518001/2/istockphoto_518001_bio_hazard_symbol.jpg ? http://www.uaf.edu/news/featured/06/amchitka/images/universal_warning.gif ?

:eek:

[theninesisters]

It's a crap picture but it was taken from my office today - actually that's a lie as it was taken from the bog window :Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Shows the tunnel for the goods train - this comes out under Wavertree Tech Park.

[matt]

Excellent pictures Mark.
Stumbled across them at the weekend as we were using Yahoo search engine to find pictures of Crawfords (guess whose link came out at number one?!).
My wife's grandad was works manager at Crawfords so her dad grew up in the works managers house on Long Lane in Wavertree. The house is still there, but not sure if Crawfords/UB still own it. During the war her dad was evacuated to the Crawford's house in Denbigh, North Wales.

[MarkA]

Hi Matt, UB sold all their houses in the late 80's. I didn't realise that we owned any in Sandown Lane until you said. Most of the properties that UB owned around the factory (Withers Street, Pleasant View, etc.) were demolished. All the ones on and around Olive Grove and Olive Lane were sold along with Sandown Hall and its grounds which was sold for just £250k. Nobody ever took any legal advice when it was sold as we were under the impression that it had been donated by the Crawford family to the workers of Crawford's in Liverpool. A lot of underhanded dealing went on at that time unfortunately.

[hmtmaj]

These were scanned from a couple of magazines on Crawfords, borrowed from a friend.
What to expect when joining the company, how they looked after the staff with a doctor, dentist etc on site.
Crawfords was such a good family / caring type business, like so many others years ago.

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Martin

[John(Zappa)]

Excellent stuff there Mart:PDT11

[Cadfael]

Fantastic! Part of the factory is now used by Plod!

[hmtmaj]

Thanks :)

I'm afraid the factory was knocked down, :034:
only the offices and one canteen remain now.

[anonymouse]

Thanks for the pics, Martin. One pic in particular brings back childhood memories:? Ted Taylor's shop on the corner of Edge Lane and Binns Road. Many is the time I've been through those doors (yes, it was a double door). Also on that block was 'The Cozy Refreshment Bar', Pennington's the chemist and Baugh's Dairy... aye, memories... but thank you!

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[georgeb]

I was brought up in Reform street which is now Crawfords way so I have a lot of memories of Binns road. And I went to Birchfield road school

[Ged]

Our group played on Crawford's club in 1981.

The billing was our group 'Perspective' then 'Riley' (a group featuring Johnny O'Connell pre Groundpig and Davy Royal (billed as top comedian)

[JMLE]

I was brought up in Reform street which is now Crawfords way so I have a lot of memories of Binns road. And I went to Birchfield road school

The office block I'm in right now is built directly on top of your old street!

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[Mark Abbott]

Mark,

I am trying to obtain a photo of the World War 1 memorial that used to be in the Crawfords factory. Does it still exist? If so, would it be possible to come and take a photo of it?

Thanks.

Mark

[hmtmaj]

Have you a relative listed on these Crawford's WW1 rolls of honour?

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Mark Abbot, This is page 2 of this thread, is this the one you mean, Mart :PDT11

[Mark Abbott]

Mart,

That is out standing!!

I am tracing a James Ablett who served with the Liverpool Irish in WW1. On his enlistment papers, he gave his employers as Crawfords of Binns Road Liverpool.

Interestingly, he was taken prisoner by the Germans on the 8 August 1916 when his battalion attempted to capture Guillemont.

I would very much like to post the photo of the memorial on another forum; can I have your permission as the photographer to do so?

Again, many thanks for your response.

Regards

Mark

[hmtmaj]

Hi Mark.
Another person posted these pics, not me, I mereley pointed you to them.
"JMLE" is the owner of the pics, I'm sure he will give you permission to copy his pics.
The lists are outside on Binns Road, you can get as many photo's as you want.
The Roll of Honour ones behind the glass are internal, but I'm sure "JMLE" would get you more if you wanted. He is a decent fella :PDT11

Mart

[Mark Abbott]

Mart

Thanks.

I'm off to the Old Swan office shortly, so a detour down Binns Road on my way home I think!

Cheers.

Mark

[hmtmaj]

Let us know if you got all you needed or if you are after more of the internal shots, Mart

[JMLE]

Hi Mark, feel free to use any or all of the photo's. I've got a better camera now so if you want any more or if you'd like to take some yourself, I can take you in no problem. Let me know.

[dinkycollect]

http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2889/28lcrawfords.jpg

DINKY TOYS ref. 28 L - Crawford's delivery van made by Meccano Ltd. in Binns Road Liverpool 1934 - 1940.

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DINKY TOYS ref. 115 U.B. taxi made by Meccano Ltd. in Binns Road Liverpool in 1979.

Although it was illustrated in the Dinky catalogue n° 14 of 1978, this model was not distributed by Meccano. It could be obtained from United Biscuits ex Crawfords against four token wrappers from their new "Taxi" biscuits and a small amount of money. It was provided in a plain white box. Note the wheels fitted the wrong way around.

What were U.B. "Taxi" biscuits ? Any archives on this subject ?


Photos by courtesy of Dinky Toys Encyclopaedia.

[ItsaZappathing]

Nice one Dinky. There's a thread about Meccanno/Dinky somewhere. My mum worked there..:handclap:

[Ged]

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?4286-Hornby-Trains-and-Meccano&highlight=MECCANO

[Ged]

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?5056-Dinky-Meccano&highlight=MECCANO


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[Ged]

Commutation Row/London Road junction in 1960 with thanks to Colin Wilkinson.

There's a red Crawfords wagon on it.


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Crawford Exterior as many will know and love it. (Liverpool Echo archives)


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The original metal Binns Road street sign that I photographed at a Meccano Exhibition last summer.


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[JMLE]

A few from 1984 of planned demolition/alteration.

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[Ged]

Did you take those Mark. Great set of photies anyway. :handclap:

[JMLE]

I didn't Ged. They're from a Management Services (as we were called then) pamphlet showing the buildings that would be affected by plans to demolish parts of the site.

[hmtmaj]

Superb pics, just how I remember it.
The Dome ( Party in there just before it was demolished :PDT_Aliboronz_24: )
The Chocolate Refinery....

Great pics Mark,

Cheers.

Mart

[JMLE]

Mart, did you notice John Roberts standing outside the having a smoke in pc #25?

[hmtmaj]

Ha, is that him .... :smoke:

[GeorgePorgie]

Mart, did you notice John Roberts standing outside the having a smoke in pc #25?

Wonder if its the "John Roberts" I know? can;t see him very well in the pic.

Was he married at the time this pic was taken and if so do know his wifes name?

[JMLE]

I'm not sure of his wife's name, it might have been Julie or Jane. What was the wife's name of The John Roberts you knew as it might jog my memory. They eventually moved to the new (at the time) estate off Walton Hall Avenue between the bridge and Walton Hall Park. His dad's name was Niv and he worked in the sorting office in Copperas Hill if that's any help.

[GeorgePorgie]

Tis ok,seems the JR I know was living down south in mid 80's. :)

[centrescreen]

Hi - new to the forum and was wondering whether anybody could help with one of the initial posts on this thread?

Centre Screen Productions are producing an exhibition for the Museum of Liverpool about the Crawfords biscuit factory.

We would like to use an image from this thread: http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?3348-Crawfords-Binns-Road (3rd image down). Looks like the person who posted is no longer a member and i'd like to make contact. Alternatively, any information on where the picture was taken from or who the photograph belongs to would be great.

Please contact me at the Centre Screen office on 0161 832 7151 or email laura@centrescreen.co.uk with any information.

Many thanks, Laura

[Oudeis]

MarkA does say that the pictures hang along a wall in United Biscuits where he was working at the time, post#3.

[JMLE]

Hi - new to the forum and was wondering whether anybody could help with one of the initial posts on this thread?

Centre Screen Productions are producing an exhibition for the Museum of Liverpool about the Crawfords biscuit factory.

We would like to use an image from this thread: http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?3348-Crawfords-Binns-Road (3rd image down). Looks like the person who posted is no longer a member and i'd like to make contact. Alternatively, any information on where the picture was taken from or who the photograph belongs to would be great.

Please contact me at the Centre Screen office on 0161 832 7151 or email laura@centrescreen.co.uk with any information.

Many thanks, Laura

I am still a member Laura, just under a different guise. It's in a corridor in work and as such I suppose it belongs to United Biscuits. I'll ask about permissions and get back to you.

Mark.

[Ronijayne]

Great pictures. Glad this thread has popped back up.