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I talk to someone who lives In Prescott,

He's not originally from there but he doesn't consider the place Liverpool.

He thinks Huyton Is Liverpool though.

There's a motorway and small piece of greenery between Huyton and Prescot, but Liverpool and Huyton merge together. I dont think Prescotonians can call themselves Scousers.

I worked in Prescot for 2 years. lots of scouse and St Helens accents. i like the place and it is classed as Liverpool. some of then talk like Steven Gerrard so i think they are Scousers. mind you half the Wirral talk like Gerrard:eek:

Prescot is Liverpool.

Mind you if we are being pedantic Huyton isn't because it's Knowsley.

That's why Huyton, Kirby, Bootle, Halewood should be brought into Liverpool.

There was a time Prescott folk would fight ya just for being a Scouse.

Whilst sefton Knowsely Halton and Wirral aren't stictly Liverpool what has happened over the last 10 years is that they are considering themselves as Scousers.

Not just inner city Bootle or Huyton either, I work with people from Formby and Ainsdale, and were 20 years ago they were outlying areas nowadays it is normal to consider them as suburbs of Liverpool.

Whilst sefton Knowsely Halton and Wirral aren't stictly Liverpool what has happened over the last 10 years is that they are considering themselves as Scousers.

Not just inner city Bootle or Huyton either, I work with people from Formby and Ainsdale, and were 20 years ago they were outlying areas nowadays it is normal to consider them as suburbs of Liverpool.

Formby people would rather say near Southport.
And what's with Southport people insisting that they live in Lancashire?
I moved from Southport to Liverpool and never wanted to go back. :celb (23):

Formby people would rather say near Southport.
And what's with Southport people insisting that they live in Lancashire?
I moved from Southport to Liverpool and never wanted to go back. :celb (23):

yeh but there are so many scousers in Formby nowadays that they feel as much allegiance to Liverpool as Southport.

The term Greater Merseyside is being used now much more often.

Thanks for the replies. So there seems to be mixed opinions about whether people from Prescot are scousers or not. My mates from Liverpool reckon that anywhere past Huyton is "wool" territory (excluding Kirkby), but, speaking as someone from St.Helens, I think you can go as far out as Rainhill and still find that most people think they are from Liverpool, even if people who are undoubtedly genuine scousers wouldn't agree.

I worked in Prescot for 2 years. lots of scouse and St Helens accents. i like the place and it is classed as Liverpool. some of then talk like Steven Gerrard so i think they are Scousers. mind you half the Wirral talk like Gerrard:eek:

I thought St Helens people talked like Scousers.

Theirs someone who works In Greenbank gym where I lift weights from St Helen's I think.

I love these discussions. Are all Londoners cockneys? Is everyone who lives in Liverpool a 'scouser'? Does it matter? If you were born and brought up in Liverpool but don't have a scouse accent are you still scouse? If you were born in Worthing of scouse speaking parents and have a slight scouse accent yourself and can't stand Liverpool, are you still a scouser? What is 'scouseness'? Is there such a thing?

Will we ever know?

I love these discussions. Are all Londoners cockneys? Is everyone who lives in Liverpool a 'scouser'? Does it matter? If you were born and brought up in Liverpool but don't have a scouse accent are you still scouse? If you were born in Worthing of scouse speaking parents and have a slight scouse accent yourself and can't stand Liverpool, are you still a scouser? What is 'scouseness'? Is there such a thing?

Will we ever know?

A "true" cockney is often said to be someone born within earshot of the Bow Bells, i.e. the bells of St Mary-le-Bow church in Cheapside in the City of London (which is not itself in the East End).

I love these discussions. Are all Londoners cockneys? Is everyone who lives in Liverpool a 'scouser'? Does it matter? If you were born and brought up in Liverpool but don't have a scouse accent are you still scouse? If you were born in Worthing of scouse speaking parents and have a slight scouse accent yourself and can't stand Liverpool, are you still a scouser? What is 'scouseness'? Is there such a thing?

Will we ever know?

A very good point. Cilla Black mocks Ricky Tomlinson for being born in Blackpool even though his mum brought him to Liverpool within days of the birth and he has either lived or worked here ever since, yet she has lived away for 40 years.

It's like me saying Kev's not really from Garston since he was born In Wavertree Hospital which Is now Asda.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

It's like me saying Kev's not really from Garston since he was born In Wavertree Hospital which Is now Asda.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

Using Cilla's logic I'd have to call myself an Evertonian as I was born in Mill Road hospital

A very good point. Cilla Black mocks Ricky Tomlinson for being born in Blackpool even though his mum brought him to Liverpool within days of the birth and he has either lived or worked here ever since, yet she has lived away for 40 years.

Ricky Tomlinson lived in Wrexham for years with his first wife. Why its quite humerous he has a go at Cilla for living in London.

Not being funny, but if someone has an opportunity to work elsewhere for a better life, why do a lot of Scousers call them turncoats or 'not a true scouser'? Really annoys me. You have to live in a city to like it? ridiculous. People like Benidorm or other holiday destinations, dosen't mean they have to live there.

Ricky Tomlinson lived in Wrexham for years with his first wife. Why its quite humerous he has a go at Cilla for living in London.

Not being funny, but if someone has an opportunity to work elsewhere for a better life, why do a lot of Scousers call them turncoats or 'not a true scouser'? Really annoys me. You have to live in a city to like it? ridiculous. People like Benidorm or other holiday destinations, dosen't mean they have to live there.

Personally I think Ricky's a bit of an arsehole but I'll give him credit as when he was living in Wrexham (which he did as it was near his wifes family)he was still back in Liverpool working the clubs every weekend and also set up a casting agency here, giving something back to local people. Entertainers like Cilla and Jimmy Tarbuck have used the city to further their careers but couldnt wait to get out and live elsewhere, support the Conservative Party and put nothing back into the place whatsoever .

Well in the case of Prescot, officially it is not part of the city of Liverpool. Many people argue that it should be. Is it scouse? Maybe. Is it 'Liverpudlian'? I think it is now. I'm not sure it was in the past.

I'm not keen on the idea that to be a part of Liverpool, the inhabitants would need to speak scouse. Lots of people in St Helens (even parts of Wigan) speak with variations on a Liverpool accent as do many people in Southport, Chester, Winsford, coastal North Wales and the Isle of Man! I don't consider any of those places as part of Liverpool.

I'm just trying to get my head around the idea of Liverpool being reduced to an accent. I don't think it should be. Lots of Liverpudlians don't speak with a scouse accent - where are they from?

I'm playing with the idea of scouse as full blooded variety of Liverpool accent in much the same way that there are a variety of London accents and not just cockney - perhaps the same applies to Liverpool accents?

Is it scouse? Maybe. Is it 'Liverpudlian'? I think it is now. I'm not sure it was in the past.

That's exactly how I see it,they are more or less the same as us now but they never used to be.It's probably to do with them working here and scousers relocating there,plus their pubs are full of scousers so they have become more like us.

Personally I think Ricky's a bit of an arsehole but I'll give him credit as when he was living in Wrexham (which he did as it was near his wifes family)he was still back in Liverpool working the clubs every weekend and also set up a casting agency here, giving something back to local people. Entertainers like Cilla and Jimmy Tarbuck have used the city to further their careers but couldnt wait to get out and live elsewhere, support the Conservative Party and put nothing back into the place whatsoever .

He was working the clubs and setting up casting agencies for one thing, to make money. Don't be fooled into thinking he did it for 'his people'. Am sure he does have a sense of scouse pride, which i will be honest, i don't. Am glad the man has done good and he was an activist on behalf on the working man in the 70s, so he deserves his success. Just sometimes the way hes goes on its only him that deserves it. The majority of celebs do charity work of some sort for people. Not just 'our' Ricky.

I was born in Lee Park. am i a wooly back or a Scouser:shock: :eek:

Where's Lee ParK? Netherley... I think?

Maybe it's Tarbock or... Cronton.... :celb (6):

Who defines who is a scouser and who isn't anyway? Is there a black book somewhere with a list of 'true scousers'? Does anyone really care who calls themselves a scouser and who doesn't?

I wouldn't put money on this but it seems to me that the people who go on most about a 'scouse' identity are ex-pats and people born outside the official city limits who speak English with a strong scouse accent.

don't worry about it all.
I emailed the council last week to see 'officially' what area I live in, because my post code is L3.

They have no idea!! They said I could quote Toxteth, Dingle or Otterspool and still be right!!

Nearly everyone who lives in L17 says they live in Aigburth but Aigburth officially starts at Aigburth Vale (well that's where the sign is) and not the top of Aigburth Road (Dingle Lane/Ullet Road) where L17 starts. I think people have been signing petitions to remove the 'executive' developments in L17 that are geographically in the Dingle out of the Dingle and ... into Aigburth!

They should rename It Godburth Vale, they have everything a Max could want around there.

A godlike chippy.
Cornershops right by your house.
Pubs for Sky Sports.
A quick route to Speke Retail which has everything A Max needs also.
Sefton Park.

I'm from Prescot and consider it as Liverpool. I don't have a strong accent, but I'm still a scouser. There's not too many St Helens accents here...I've not noticed any anyway...! Plus, I was born in Toxteth and moved here...so who knows what the heck I'm classed as?!

I think the accent noticably starts to change around Whiston,Prescot are definitely scousers,welcome to yo Kemble.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Yeah that's true, the accent changes slightly as you get to Whiston and Rainhill I think. Thanks!

As the conurbation of our city grows, more and more of the towns on the outskirts of Liverpool will be swallowed up by the city. Give it 10,15,20 years and Prescotians will consider themselves scousers. Perish the thought but at the rate we are expanding do you think in years to come, our great city could actually be literally boardering that 'M' place to the east??

As the conurbation of our city grows, more and more of the towns on the outskirts of Liverpool will be swallowed up by the city. Give it 10,15,20 years and Prescotians will consider themselves scousers. Perish the thought but at the rate we are expanding do you think in years to come, our great city could actually be literally boardering that 'M' place to the east??

That assumes that the term 'scouser' will still be around in 20 years time. :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

I worked in Prescot for 2 years. lots of scouse and St Helens accents. i like the place and it is classed as Liverpool. some of then talk like Steven Gerrard so i think they are Scousers. mind you half the Wirral talk like Gerrard:eek:

I find it strange that you put a shocked face after saying this:

"mind you half the Wirral talk like Gerrard".

The half you're probably talking about is Birkenhead and Wallasey? Those 2 places are actually closer to the Liver Building (which is undeniably Liverpool!) than other places which are actually classed as Liverpool by the council. So I never understand the idea that Wirral isn't part of Liverpool, if the river wasn't there then it would be one continuous stretch of urban land, all one city. How wide does the river need to be before you stop considering wirral to be liverpool? If the river mersey was 10 feet wide would you still be suprised when people from wallasey/birkenhead spoke like scousers?

I'm interested to know as there is so much snobbery these days from Liverpool toward the Wirral, most people consider it to be posh but when was the last time they actually visited birkenhead/wallasey? It's no different to places like Everton and Walton - lots of terrace houses, tower blocks, council estates. Its amazing how much of a mental barrier the river can be.
(Im not suggesting youre snubbing wirral by the way)

I'm not suprised people from the wirral have the same accents, I don't think it's posh or anything either...my friends from the Wirral really hate being called scousers though. They really take offence. It's weird.

I'm not suprised people from the wirral have the same accents, I don't think it's posh or anything either...my friends from the Wirral really hate being called scousers though. They really take offence. It's weird.

In my experience, many wirralites are snobs

I'm not suprised people from the wirral have the same accents, I don't think it's posh or anything either...my friends from the Wirral really hate being called scousers though. They really take offence. It's weird.

In my experience, many wirralites are snobs

Where from on the Wirral?

In my experience most people from the Wirral have scouse parents or grand parents etc. So it's hard for them to be snobs. I can't speak for places like Heswall or Hoyloake further down the wirral though - maybe they are the snobs you talk about?

Just bad experiences with several at a particular time in my life, don't know there exact location but they didn't look favorably on a working class scouse lad trying to get through the higher education system.

Just bad experiences with several at a particular time in my life, don't know there exact location but they didn't look favorably on a working class scouse lad trying to get through the higher education system.

Instead of 'working class scouse lad' you rephrase it and say 'middle class scouse lad'. Does it scan as well? If it doesn't, this raises the question of whether the term 'scouse' is more or less another (shorter) way of saying working class Liverpudlian?

I can't remember where I read it recently but I remember seeing some stats that stated that the majority of middle class Liverpool teenagers go to uni and the majority of working class teenagers don't.

I sometimes wonder if the whole scouse thing in which we pretend we're all in the same scouse boat can have the result of blinding us to the realities of class divison in our city.

Instead of 'working class scouse lad' you rephrase it and say 'middle class scouse lad'. Does it scan as well? If it doesn't, this raises the question of whether the term 'scouse' is more or less another (shorter) way of saying working class Liverpudlian?

I can't remember where I read it recently but I remember seeing some stats that stated that the majority of middle class Liverpool teenagers go to uni and the majority of working class teenagers don't.

I sometimes wonder if the whole scouse thing in which we pretend we're all in the same scouse boat can have the result of blinding us to the realities of class divison in our city.

I never experienced class division until i had experience on the wirral, unfortunately.

I never experienced class division until i had experience on the wirral, unfortunately.

There is geographical class division in Liverpool but I don't think it would be seen as acceptable to treat someone differently just because of their class. Some councillors and business people over the water emphasise how Wirral is NOT culturally part of Liverpool that I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone with a strong scouse accent is like a red rag to a bull to them. Anyway, it just shows how lacking in class they are if they make someone feel uncomfortable just because of their social class.

I worked in Prescot for 2 years. lots of scouse and St Helens accents. i like the place and it is classed as Liverpool. some of then talk like Steven Gerrard so i think they are Scousers. mind you half the Wirral talk like Gerrard:eek:

steven gerard was born in whiston hospital which is in knowsley so what does that make him!? well on his birth certificate, passport etc it will say knowsley not liverpool but i am sure most people would call him scouse?

I'm from Whiston and to everyone I work with elsewhere, except people I consider to be "proper" Liverpudlians, I am indeed from Liverpool and a scouser.

What do I consider myself? A human, mostly. Except on Sunday mornings when I feel anything but. I don't think of myself of scouse, or Liverpudlian or whatever. I'm just me! Though I'm proud to have been born here, and to live here. I certainly don't consider myself to be a Liverpudlian though - though it makes no odds to me.

Also although Mr Gerrard was born, and has much of his family, in Whiston (his Aunt has a great barber shop on Dragon Lane where Mr Gerrard himself can often be found having his weekly head shave or whatever) he was brought up and educated in Huyton. So perhaps to many he can be considered more scouse/Liverpudlian than Prescotians/Whistonians etc.

It's difficult to judge where someone is from solely on their accentual variation as we all converge to our speech community - to a greater or lesser extent.

For example, one of my best friends was born in Ireland but moved to Merseyside when he was about 7 or 8. Now he just sounds scouse - not an iota of Irishness remains much to the chagrin of the lady in his life. An extreme example maybe but we should remember that an accent is a fluid attribute that changes according to who we're talking to and how long we've spent around them.

Yes, Steven Gerrard was brought up on the bluebell estate, Huyton, try telling them that's not scouseland ;). Blackpool born Ricky Tomlinson has probably spent more of his life here than any of the Beatles, Cilla or Tarby. Roger Phillips is a manc but champions 'the pool' daily.

As long as you have this place in your heart - does it matter really where you're born or where you're living. Perhaps it could be said that adopted scousers have chosen here.

I'm from Whiston and to everyone I work with elsewhere, except people I consider to be "proper" Liverpudlians, I am indeed from Liverpool and a scouser.

What do I consider myself? A human, mostly. Except on Sunday mornings when I feel anything but. I don't think of myself of scouse, or Liverpudlian or whatever. I'm just me! Though I'm proud to have been born here, and to live here. I certainly don't consider myself to be a Liverpudlian though - though it makes no odds to me.

Also although Mr Gerrard was born, and has much of his family, in Whiston (his Aunt has a great barber shop on Dragon Lane where Mr Gerrard himself can often be found having his weekly head shave or whatever) he was brought up and educated in Huyton. So perhaps to many he can be considered more scouse/Liverpudlian than Prescotians/Whistonians etc.

It's difficult to judge where someone is from solely on their accentual variation as we all converge to our speech community - to a greater or lesser extent.

For example, one of my best friends was born in Ireland but moved to Merseyside when he was about 7 or 8. Now he just sounds scouse - not an iota of Irishness remains much to the chagrin of the lady in his life. An extreme example maybe but we should remember that an accent is a fluid attribute that changes according to who we're talking to and how long we've spent around them.

my wife went to stevie g's mothers hen night, i think it was at the meresyview, we were living in whiston too then, his mum was working at plesseys on wilson road , huyton then, it's amazing that you could stand at the (think it was lane ends )garage in prescot, throw a brick and it could bounce off the hillside pub door in huyton and still be worlds apart . nuts

The Hillside Pub, we played there in 1981 and at the C.F. Mott college facing.

The Hillside Pub, we played there in 1981 and at the C.F. Mott college facing.

I played footy tonight for our old fellers team against our clubs 1st team , we only got beat 4-0 , i'm nursing a black eye given to me by a lad I used to coach when he was 5 years old, glad to see something i taught him has rubbed off

Nice to hear it Shoney. He'd have gone down well a bit further down the road at the Eagle and Child.

Incidentally, I played there in a group and were that good we weren't bottled off ;)

Footy in Huyton - no, I value my kneecaps :)

the bands played in the Ho'down in the basement as I remember, it was a bass house

Hi folks, still finding my way round the site and still can never find where it was I was at. However it’s a great site and I must congratulate you all on the fantastic amount of information and history you have on the site between you all. By the way that looks like a Nikon D300 to me.

I was reading about Prescott Liverpool and Scousers on one of the forums I hope I can find it so that I can post this.

As most of you will know most of the outskirts of Liverpool came under West Derby and then in turn Lancashire these included Huyton and its districts, Prescott, all of Knowsley all districts of Waterloo and Crosby none of them came under Liverpool or Merseyside until 1974. Indeed Garston and Childwall never came under Liverpool until the 1900s.

Now did you know that Prescott once declared War on Liverpool yes it’s a fact. Anyway what was I talking about, Oh Yes Scousers, as most things in Liverpool the Word scouser derives from its seafarers and the pan of scouse in days of old called Lobscouse from the Norwegian word lobskaus.

Now scousers and Liverpudlians are two different things and two different meanings. A scouser is a person who comes from Liverpool whilst a Liverpudlian a true Liverpudlian had to have been born within one mile of Mann Island. SO this makes me a scouser and a Liverpudlian
I was borne just next to the Adelphie Hotel spent a great deal of my life in Kenny what a great place now I’m out in Kirkby on sea. Growing up in the city was really good but by far Kenny was the best days of my life with much of the Family still there. Now I have to get back where I was and try posting this.

Now scousers and Liverpudlians are two different things and two different meanings. A scouser is a person who comes from Liverpool whilst a Liverpudlian a true Liverpudlian had to have been born within one mile of Mann Island. SO this makes me a scouser and a Liverpudlian

OK, so if I was born at Tranmere would I be a Liverpudlian. :)